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Top Gear Lotus Carlton

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Andrew Tate

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Күн бұрын

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@georgenaidoo9553
@georgenaidoo9553 4 ай бұрын
Tiffs ability to present while having that car in thr edge is a true testament of his skill 👌🏼👌🏼
@marcellon2003
@marcellon2003 14 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is Top Gear. In the 90's Tiff Needell was a Top Gear presenter, alongside Jeremy Clarkson.
@fatherofdragons4880
@fatherofdragons4880 3 жыл бұрын
As was James may at one point
@Danyella72
@Danyella72 4 ай бұрын
But this has the Channel 5 Logo/watermark, so this is almost certainly the Channel 5 response, "Fifth Gear".
@marcellon2003
@marcellon2003 4 ай бұрын
@@Danyella72 well spotted! I stand corrected.
@Danyella72
@Danyella72 4 ай бұрын
@@marcellon2003Well maybe not! Further down in the comments, people noted that he mentioned "Top Gear" at a point during the video. I know he was on both programmes, and the Five logo is there...
@rrrtt
@rrrtt 2 ай бұрын
1:52
@SilverScarletSpider
@SilverScarletSpider 5 жыл бұрын
377 bhp, wow. The cars I worshiped in the 90’s officially only made 276 hp
@thebigboybossy4232
@thebigboybossy4232 4 жыл бұрын
If you're thinking of the lan evo, than be glad that the evo weighs half as much with awd👍
@downsouth420
@downsouth420 2 жыл бұрын
Most of those cars actually had more power. There was a gentleman’s agreement in Japan to limit power to 276, but in reality those cars put out a bit more and were simply advertised as having 276HP to prevent raised eyebrows from the public.
@jesusiskingofkings4428
@jesusiskingofkings4428 9 ай бұрын
@@downsouth420yeah we know but they were nowhere near 376bhp from factory
@Namedonelettere
@Namedonelettere 6 ай бұрын
✌️“276 hp”✌️
@tillbot8
@tillbot8 2 ай бұрын
​@@downsouth420 mate got one dyno'd, 352 at the flywheel. I have heard most of them (Supra, Skyline) were 325-360bhp
@nealenewton4193
@nealenewton4193 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the upload! In Australia, GM's local branch, Holden, took this platform, lengthened and widened it, and used it as a VN Commodore. Holden's hotrod offshoot, HSV (owned by Tom Walkingshaw) made a Group A version with an injected 5litre V8. Contemporary road tests showed that the Vauxhall was the quickest, tho the mighty injected cast iron ohv wasn't disgraced. Those were the days 😁👍
@Dragoneer
@Dragoneer 5 жыл бұрын
I’m just thinking about the whole police controversy thing...why didn’t they buy these cars for the police force instead?? It would make a great police car, it’s four door and there’s a lot of space inside for suspects...
@jasonh4961
@jasonh4961 5 жыл бұрын
[[[ *_Dragonier_* ]]] because it cost about 91k usd at the time...
@Dragoneer
@Dragoneer 5 жыл бұрын
Jason H Considering the police force now a-days have funds for BMW M5 interceptors..?
@jasonh4961
@jasonh4961 5 жыл бұрын
[[[ *_Dragonier_* ]]] that’s true 🤷‍♂️
@Namiz00
@Namiz00 5 жыл бұрын
It's kinda stupid they ban cars because it's powerful, and if they can't buy the cars, they should take notes that tuning is possible, and still keeping the outside relatively stock.
@Dragoneer
@Dragoneer 5 жыл бұрын
Ainsworth Agreed. Though in reality I think they’re just salty tbh...lol
@TownofJezza
@TownofJezza 5 жыл бұрын
This is Europe: Everything fun is banned!
@sulfurical7439
@sulfurical7439 3 жыл бұрын
Oi! havin a bit o' horse play 're we. Bit illegal innit bruv
@magnumfire313
@magnumfire313 3 жыл бұрын
This is world: Every fun is banned
@obeseperson
@obeseperson 3 жыл бұрын
magnum fire no it isn't, calm down
@kash2173
@kash2173 2 жыл бұрын
my dad has a carlton
@Namedonelettere
@Namedonelettere 6 ай бұрын
Only if you’re not upper class
@oldrustyrelic9121
@oldrustyrelic9121 3 күн бұрын
I had one of these cartons once all for about 8 hours. The next morning, you'd never would have believed I no longer owned it. What a beautiful, short-lived dream that was. Then it made me think ot getting old. And I realised if it still had my witts of mind I'd look back at life one last time and say what a beautiful dream this is
@Zero_Ninety
@Zero_Ninety Жыл бұрын
£25k for a mint Lotus Carlton? Those were the days...
@jacklee7104
@jacklee7104 Ай бұрын
I remember a low mileage minter going for 15k at Buxton car auctions around 2004 my Dad was amazed it fetched so much as that was twice the price of a decent e34 M5 back then.
@peteylang3401
@peteylang3401 Жыл бұрын
This car, in working condition, is worth a shed load of money in the UK. Rare as Chickens teeth. A regular saloon that can push 165-170 is mental !!!
@neverenoughgames72
@neverenoughgames72 4 ай бұрын
About 60k in Netherlands
@paulthomson9014
@paulthomson9014 Ай бұрын
Redline in 5th then into 6th and a lotus carlton will pass 190
@iantownsend5480
@iantownsend5480 10 жыл бұрын
The cheapest one I can find is 35 grand lol maybe one day
@sebiblasko8608
@sebiblasko8608 5 жыл бұрын
120k nowadays=)))
@areeskinwar7274
@areeskinwar7274 5 жыл бұрын
@@sebiblasko8608 sob, and I was thinking of importing one to my Island ...we have rhd also
@rcart1
@rcart1 5 жыл бұрын
Bet you wish you bought one when you made this comment
@ryhoo_p2055
@ryhoo_p2055 4 жыл бұрын
@@rcart1 😁
@Zed-not-Zee
@Zed-not-Zee 4 жыл бұрын
£100 odd grand now !🤯
@adambransbury
@adambransbury 6 жыл бұрын
now theyre 100 odd grand!!!
@mrcrazyjonpresents4312
@mrcrazyjonpresents4312 5 жыл бұрын
love how tiff has this pure sideways
@syedsalalilyas5465
@syedsalalilyas5465 5 жыл бұрын
Te way he moves his head with every syllable.
@benlotus2703
@benlotus2703 Жыл бұрын
”...in the world”
@lebumjames1330
@lebumjames1330 8 жыл бұрын
Finally legal to import now!(:
@AdamKoenigseggCCXR
@AdamKoenigseggCCXR 7 жыл бұрын
fucking sold mine for £35,000 about 12 years ago only to check it's worth £100,000+ these days !
@DHG1124
@DHG1124 13 жыл бұрын
who cares about the guy driving it or the fact that he switched the names. that car is gorgeous and thats why you all came to watch it! i mean damn that car is awesome
@rydoggo
@rydoggo 5 жыл бұрын
In gt5, I got one. Even stock, when I turned off traction control, it just wanted to drift. I tuned it to 701 hp, a good suspension tune, proper tires, and it's a controllable drifter.
@Kgn-kgsjejdnne91
@Kgn-kgsjejdnne91 3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@wetdogify
@wetdogify Жыл бұрын
Isn't every car an 'invitation to break the law' They all go over the speed limit.
@Brendan2097
@Brendan2097 5 жыл бұрын
Tiff is one of the few Top Gear presenters who could REALLY drive, I think? Also, was this basically a Holden Commodore rebadged and reworked?
@ztikmaen
@ztikmaen 14 жыл бұрын
This car is beautiful
@cheekyegg
@cheekyegg 4 жыл бұрын
Middle management missile 😂
@martini8694
@martini8694 10 жыл бұрын
Its is top gear tiff used to work for them in the past . I had a 3000 gsi 24v about the same time as this video it did 0-60 in 6 sec and i got 170 out of it going up hill on a motorway . Fast fast car . Had a go in a lotus Carlton but couldn't get insured at the time nor a astra gsi ? Although is was far slower lol .
@j99oel
@j99oel 7 жыл бұрын
Suppose you were in reverse as well
@GB-vn1tf
@GB-vn1tf Ай бұрын
​@@j99oeltowing a caravan that he used to transport lead around with....
@MrRohanThomas
@MrRohanThomas 6 жыл бұрын
this was the fastest sedan in the world, it could go 180MPH
@nakazatotakeshi4286
@nakazatotakeshi4286 5 жыл бұрын
NO SHIT,SHERLOCK!
@MDDeGrande1994
@MDDeGrande1994 4 жыл бұрын
@Covert Person Second fastest* sedan of its time, after the Alpina B10 Biturbo (E34).
@1987FX16
@1987FX16 4 жыл бұрын
An outrageous invitation to speed. lol So apparently I was invited to speed this WHOLE time and I've just been sitting here ignoring her.
@edbo10
@edbo10 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah by the police logic the moment anyone brushes a finger against a gun that's clearly an invitation to go on a murderous rampage lol
@NWAforLifee
@NWAforLifee 2 жыл бұрын
Love drifting this in forza horizon 5, thanks for the video. Also is it true only 1000 we’re made?
@mrcaboosevg6089
@mrcaboosevg6089 3 жыл бұрын
Shabby ones for £15k, those were the days...
@ntmdisco
@ntmdisco 11 жыл бұрын
i used to own a 1990 black carlton 2.0i cdx, it looked just like the lotus with all the body kit and spoiler but didnt perform like one. it could only do 130, not bad for an automatic though. and it pulled my one ton caravan like it wasnt even there. sadly some stupid plonker in a vecta read ended it, bent the towbar and smashed the back end in and it was the never the same again. :-(, so i got an omega instead, but i miss my old carlton.....
@MokesEnd
@MokesEnd Ай бұрын
I had the pleasure of driving that car for a weekend after fixing it for a friend :)
@Thellbro
@Thellbro 5 жыл бұрын
Now we know where Jezza got his ”...in the world” from. @0:42
@shadinasr77
@shadinasr77 13 жыл бұрын
This is Top Gear, Tiff was with top gear, and he says that at 1:54!!
@ah-hl6fr
@ah-hl6fr Жыл бұрын
Beast
@MrFreijan
@MrFreijan 12 жыл бұрын
Its funny to read comments where people says that people are stupid when they say that this is top gear
@ade-1772
@ade-1772 Ай бұрын
Just watching this in 2024 and that Carlton lotus is 25k omg sold all day 😂
@tommyduk1779
@tommyduk1779 Ай бұрын
Boss Saloon, still.
@noelht1
@noelht1 Ай бұрын
This truly was a mental car. But now you can find a series of hatchbacks like the golf R or the AMG A455 that are faster than it by a damn siight
@Kgn-kgsjejdnne91
@Kgn-kgsjejdnne91 3 жыл бұрын
Vauxhall and lotus 💪
@chadmoodley3497
@chadmoodley3497 4 жыл бұрын
The original sleeper car?
@pepperdotexe
@pepperdotexe Жыл бұрын
Gran Turismo 4 brought me here
@JD-eq4dp
@JD-eq4dp 3 жыл бұрын
Jasper Carrott ! As funny as a mass grave !
@graveyardrumblers
@graveyardrumblers 11 ай бұрын
Drifting before drifting was cool lol
@influentialgurning
@influentialgurning Ай бұрын
I thought Lotus decided to not use an LSD so that it would be more delicate and adjustable, instead of pushing in corners. The inside wheel always spins with power-slip in the turn.
@ArnaudShanghai
@ArnaudShanghai 12 жыл бұрын
Tiff was always old!
@rwd323
@rwd323 Ай бұрын
Diff from the Aussie Commodore?
@mattarnold198
@mattarnold198 Ай бұрын
The craziest thing is: the Corvette from which it was derived goes for around the same price! I know which I'd rather have...
@GB-vn1tf
@GB-vn1tf Ай бұрын
It was only the gearbox that came from a corvette.
@mattarnold198
@mattarnold198 Ай бұрын
@@GB-vn1tf Right: so no V8, no good looks and probably not much room for tuning either...
@Detoyato
@Detoyato 13 жыл бұрын
Those who say its Fifth Gear... are young lots who's fond of the Current TG format (arent we all?)... but heck... it IS Top Gear... back when it was old and boring.. Clarkson is the only one worth watching back then...
@anthonytaylor7590
@anthonytaylor7590 Жыл бұрын
Nah tiff was a driver and made top gear back then
@Leeirvinebird
@Leeirvinebird Ай бұрын
I know I'm late to the party, but I agree about Tiff and would like to add Vicki Butler-Henderson.
@bmt5575
@bmt5575 4 жыл бұрын
2020 Anyone ?
@jml251
@jml251 7 ай бұрын
At normal highway speeds would this car have good gas mileage the twin turbos should help.
@sundelight8230
@sundelight8230 3 жыл бұрын
Black beauty!! 😍😍
@VantageCigarretes
@VantageCigarretes 12 жыл бұрын
@DrkBluePenguin You can but only DOT "Show and Display" exemption.
@manuelhan1854
@manuelhan1854 5 жыл бұрын
How dare you get fifth gear mixed up with top gear
@kendal5210
@kendal5210 5 жыл бұрын
Bum Tingler the presenter worked on both
@dod-ic8vw
@dod-ic8vw 5 жыл бұрын
Tiff, used to present topgear.
@1989Chrisc
@1989Chrisc 5 жыл бұрын
Tiff clearly mentions in the video about it being top gear
@arthurcorassini
@arthurcorassini 4 жыл бұрын
1:52 how dare you
@georgemorley1029
@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын
It’s Top Gear you ignorant twat
@PatrickIngham21
@PatrickIngham21 13 жыл бұрын
if only my carlton was half as powerful as that lol its a 2.0i cdx
@jamestherandomer
@jamestherandomer 3 жыл бұрын
How's she now 🤔 dropped a 2jz in her yet for a blip?
@DerVagabundli
@DerVagabundli 14 жыл бұрын
thanks and sorry, i´ve found out by now though^^
@DrkBluePenguin
@DrkBluePenguin 13 жыл бұрын
I really want to ship one out to the US.
@Speedy4417
@Speedy4417 Жыл бұрын
Great to see “Andrew Tate” loving old opels/lotus/vauxhall carltons 😂
@LloydLynx
@LloydLynx 5 жыл бұрын
Now this, this is a car worthy of eurobeat. Dare I say, it's able to compete with the AE86 for most awesome car.
@Eeter26
@Eeter26 4 жыл бұрын
TheJooomes the ae86 is a slow, cheaply made, bad handling shitbox from the 80s. Isn’t the entire point of initial d that he wins races in spite of his car, not because of it? Stop circlejerking around a toyota corolla.
@elseagullo4979
@elseagullo4979 4 жыл бұрын
@@Eeter26 I have to agree with you. The AE86 is a bit overrated as its standard horsepower is only around 112 and people only like it because of Initial D
@ToreDL87
@ToreDL87 3 жыл бұрын
Well if you want luxury AND performance then yes, the little Toyota is a goner. But I've had one of those "shitboxes" for over a decade now, and have driven various German performance sedans over the years. The German stuff simply cant do low-mid speed corners, not like a Toyota anyway, if I turn in the same way I do with the Corolla they just understeer. Literally the speed with which the Corolla enters a corner catches even me (the owner & driver) by surprise sometimes. My dad drove the Corolla once and turned into an intersection, and nearly did a 180 on the spot. And look at prices, some guys below says Carlton's are in the 120k area now, you get 10 Corolla's in good nick for that price. Then there's insurance, from what I heard of U.K insurance rates: Lotus Carlton = Sell your house to pay the insurance for a year. A Toyota Corolla? Insurance companies don't think twice about them, you can probably insure DOZENS of them before you even get near. And while yes, insurance companies are a bit daft considering probably a greater ratio of Corolla's have gone into the ditch than Carlton's, but still, they charge what they charge. As far as burglary, I'd imagine Carlton's and 86's to be about equally desireable (the 86 probably more so because of the cartoon), but when someone steals your Carlton, you're out 120k, if your 86 disappears overnight, you've got another 108k to spend LOL
@joseph291
@joseph291 2 жыл бұрын
Ill agree with you on that one because the AE86 is a very good car to throw about in the corners because of it's decent handling and it's 50/50 weight distrubution but the down side of the car is that it only has around 112-118hp so not so much on the straights. The AE86 has a 4AGE and if you put enough work into it you will be quite quick on the straights (if you arent already) but overall the AE86 is a good car and is loved by many such as (alot) of the Irish, Initial D fans and the Drift King himself Keiichi Tsuchiya.
@marcellon2003
@marcellon2003 14 жыл бұрын
@TheSpyChecker that's still in the 20th century, though. ;-)
@Papa_Mack
@Papa_Mack 3 жыл бұрын
Last one I seen was nearly $7000
@local_hotpotato
@local_hotpotato 6 жыл бұрын
Ultimate family winter beater
@MD-uu5nt
@MD-uu5nt 6 жыл бұрын
Local_ Hotpotato a £80,000 beater...sure
@sentientvendingmachine639
@sentientvendingmachine639 5 жыл бұрын
Wait is that Clarkson!? He looks like an actor!
@lukemmurphy795
@lukemmurphy795 5 жыл бұрын
The old Clarkson has hair.
@1989Chrisc
@1989Chrisc 5 жыл бұрын
Thats tiff needell. He was the top man in top gear before clarkson may and hamsters version of the series
@billybull7419
@billybull7419 5 жыл бұрын
Ya that's definitely Jeremy Clarkson.
@georgemorley1029
@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын
BillyBull This is TIFF NEEDELL. Got it? Tiff Needell.
@trancedsailor
@trancedsailor 13 жыл бұрын
i love this car in GT5
@Kashi-K
@Kashi-K 4 жыл бұрын
Richard looks little weird in this
@paulsoames7980
@paulsoames7980 3 жыл бұрын
100k car now
@iAMChrisCC
@iAMChrisCC 4 жыл бұрын
These days you can get a diesel saloon or a shopping hatch that will hit 60 faster than that 😎
@MiticoRaimond
@MiticoRaimond 5 жыл бұрын
Best car ever.
@qasimmir7117
@qasimmir7117 2 жыл бұрын
Well it isn’t…
@MrJohnnyDistortion
@MrJohnnyDistortion 7 жыл бұрын
Did they manufacture them with left side cabin steering?
@d-d-i
@d-d-i 7 жыл бұрын
Yes. This version on the video is Vauxhall Lotus Carlton, the british version of Opel Lotus Omega. Vauxhall version had steering wheel on the right, but the Opel's had them on the left. Other than that they're identical cars.
@local_hotpotato
@local_hotpotato 6 жыл бұрын
Just search the net for lotus omega
@GB-vn1tf
@GB-vn1tf Ай бұрын
​@@d-d-i the Opel was an Omega.
@DS-om3pt
@DS-om3pt 3 жыл бұрын
And now we have veyrons etc lol
@S65Finland
@S65Finland Ай бұрын
E60 AMG was faster. But it was couple years later after 1990.
@saltygrasshopper
@saltygrasshopper 6 жыл бұрын
The whole issue of spay-eed...
@murfyhusayn5793
@murfyhusayn5793 4 жыл бұрын
Legend
@TheSpyChecker
@TheSpyChecker 14 жыл бұрын
@marcellon2003 this was in 2000
@BrasilianosPY
@BrasilianosPY Жыл бұрын
No brasil, enganavam os tolinhos, como se fosse um autêntico GM Omega. E eles acreditam que são apaixonados por carros. Fazendão.
@wjones6606
@wjones6606 Ай бұрын
In the day, this was an unheard of unimportant car, that did not sell and were simply not talked about. The legend and leader of the pack by far, wore a Blue oval...
@tudor5310
@tudor5310 5 жыл бұрын
Its Fifth Gear
@MrDatrandomguy
@MrDatrandomguy 5 жыл бұрын
Tiff used to be a presenter on Top Gear years ago, google it.
@iainchan
@iainchan 5 жыл бұрын
it's Top Gear and Tiff said it himself at 1:52
@coolinism
@coolinism 4 жыл бұрын
Top gear
@georgemorley1029
@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын
Why don’t people pay attention?
@jonathanosullivan8739
@jonathanosullivan8739 7 ай бұрын
25grand😢 .for sale today at 90grand
@fmul3465
@fmul3465 3 жыл бұрын
I have 1 today
@jacktattis143
@jacktattis143 5 жыл бұрын
why did Tiff leave Top Gear
@Chickenfeetnomore
@Chickenfeetnomore 5 жыл бұрын
Because he knew more about cars
@jacktattis143
@jacktattis143 5 жыл бұрын
@@Chickenfeetnomore was it that or was he pushed?
@Dogomatic
@Dogomatic 28 күн бұрын
5th Gear
@mikenco
@mikenco 9 ай бұрын
90 grand these days.
@royrogers7644
@royrogers7644 3 жыл бұрын
I does not help to be fastest when they dont sell enough cars
@alenalen5293
@alenalen5293 5 ай бұрын
Roket ..
@ShanesAutos
@ShanesAutos 12 жыл бұрын
me too...epic fun
@jamestherandomer
@jamestherandomer 3 жыл бұрын
Aye looks like 5th gear to me lad lol Loved both of these shows, Topgear was a bit more cool but 5th gear still got watched! My gen evolved from watching Robot Wars, to sitting having a wee bev with the folks watching a Friday night movie or Red Dwarf lol World's fucked these days fellow 1988-1996 sorta gen we had it so good 🤘🤫💚
@qasimmir7117
@qasimmir7117 2 жыл бұрын
This is Top Gear prior to the Andy Wilman takeover.
@viperz888
@viperz888 13 жыл бұрын
@lucrativeelfmongrel chill out mang
@sparkyindahouse
@sparkyindahouse 12 жыл бұрын
yes tif
@BlueXonar
@BlueXonar 5 жыл бұрын
0:20 Vauxhall didn't do shit!
@beastmodeoverseer8525
@beastmodeoverseer8525 3 жыл бұрын
700 hp on GT5 Lol
@notsocialatall
@notsocialatall 11 жыл бұрын
Sorry but that must be 5th Gear, Top Gear has always been on BBC Two, this is on a different Channel
@TassieLorenzo
@TassieLorenzo 6 жыл бұрын
Tiff even says Top Gear at 1:50 ! :)
@highfall60
@highfall60 4 жыл бұрын
bruh this is Fifth Gear
@arthurcorassini
@arthurcorassini 4 жыл бұрын
1:52 of course
@georgemorley1029
@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын
“Bruh” you’re wrong. It’s Top Gear.
@SAMPLETEXT285
@SAMPLETEXT285 4 жыл бұрын
This is fifth gear
@arthurcorassini
@arthurcorassini 4 жыл бұрын
1:52 yeah of course
@georgemorley1029
@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын
Why are none of you paying attention?
@sprite8435
@sprite8435 3 жыл бұрын
Isnt this fifth gear?
@qasimmir7117
@qasimmir7117 2 жыл бұрын
No.
@farishanafiah8461
@farishanafiah8461 Жыл бұрын
Fifth Gear doesn't exist until 2002. Also, Tiff used to be a host for Top Gear.
@Eeter26
@Eeter26 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, svenska undertexter!
@GAMESTER023
@GAMESTER023 5 жыл бұрын
This is 5th gear
@jayrave4
@jayrave4 5 жыл бұрын
GAMESTER023 it’s definitely Top gear - Tiff was there for years before going over to the dark side.
@arthurcorassini
@arthurcorassini 4 жыл бұрын
1:52
@georgemorley1029
@georgemorley1029 3 жыл бұрын
Fucks sake, it’s Top Gear!
@GAMESTER023
@GAMESTER023 3 жыл бұрын
George Morley 😂
@horse5407
@horse5407 3 жыл бұрын
Tiff is a bit of a knob.
@farishanafiah8461
@farishanafiah8461 Жыл бұрын
Still drives way better than you.
@DerVagabundli
@DerVagabundli 14 жыл бұрын
This is not top gear!
@MDDeGrande1994
@MDDeGrande1994 4 жыл бұрын
Old Top Gear! Pre-2001, i. e. before May and Hammond joined Clarkson.
@arthurcorassini
@arthurcorassini 4 жыл бұрын
1:52
@Moist_mouse4670
@Moist_mouse4670 2 жыл бұрын
Top gear. This is 5th gear
@farishanafiah8461
@farishanafiah8461 Жыл бұрын
Fifth Gear doesn't exist until 2002. Also, Tiff used to be the host of Top Gear.
@saycero
@saycero Жыл бұрын
go to 1min52secs...
@Moist_mouse4670
@Moist_mouse4670 Жыл бұрын
Ah right, sorry guys
@nostalgiaof98
@nostalgiaof98 2 жыл бұрын
How much different is a Carlton from a VNSS I wonder
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