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Here's an interesting video idea - the history of car door handles! Specifically the difference between the "pull-up" style flush handles commonly used in the '80s - mid '00s and the "pull-out" handles used almost exclusively today. Interestingly enough, the former is making a comeback...

In the late 80's, at least where I lived, we were still calling cellphones car phones even they were still those cellphones that you had to walk around with a huge battery pack. I remember when my mom got her first "car phone" when I was 16 or 17 & she called me asking me to guess where she was at. I said her best friends name & she was like just come outside. She was so excited that she waisted money to call the house from right outside. I don't think younger people realize how big of a deal mobile phones were back then.

Fun fact those car phones used 800 mhz analog radio systems, those frequencies have been taken over by public safety. And many of them have had a kill switch activated when powered up. They disable most old car phones when it tries to connect to a tower so it won't interfere with police and fire

Slotted in between the car phone and what we now know as a cell phone, came the "bag phone". It consisted of a car phone style handset (with a cord), a base (sometimes with a folding antenna) and a battery the size and weight of a small construction brick, usually contained in a vinyl case (or bag). I bring it up because it was generally only suitable for use in a car as it was too bulky and power hungry for much use on its own. Thought that was worth a mention in this subject.

In the 70's we had our own private radio relay system at home. It was a patch system to our rotary car phones. We could go up to 75 miles away and call anywhere. Best of all we owned the service and only paid for the power to run the base.

Once drove in a ~2006 Mercedes that had a type of cellphone attached to a chord. A regular SIM card could fit in the phone. I tried it out by putting my SIM card in it and called a relative we were traveling to. Pretty cool experience for the time.

When I was a teenager, I drove my dad's jetta which had a car phone. This was around 2000. Although cell phones were a thing back then, he traveled a lot and found the car phone had much better reception. It was great for me when I had the car as a cellphone was too expensive.

My uncle's boss at the time was a professional engineer that specialized in HVAC, Plumbing, Mechanical, and Electrical for commercial buildings and he had a built-in car phone in his Range Rover. My mom, while not having a permanent car phone, did have a bag phone, which was essentially the exact same phone, but with a battery pack and a removable antenna that could be taken off and then the antenna that was stuck to the roof of the car with a magnet could be plugged in its place. Those were the days. When my mom got hers, with her monthly bill, she got FIFTEEN FREE MINUTES! and only $.75 a minute after that! What a deal!

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One of my cars (that I do not daily drive) 1995 BMW M5 has a car phone, the phone is actually a GSM phone and it continues to work on a pay as you go plan until Roger’s finally shuts the 2G GSM network down (likely very soon). It’s amazing. It works and has a max power output of 2W. Much better signal strength then any modern smart phone

My father had one in his 88 Bonneville sse. It was around 1.75 a minute to use. Side note he ran that car to 418k miles and sold it. Owned since new.

Was looking forward to this! My dad said he felt like a pimp using the car phone in his old 3 Series

I remember the car phone my dad had in his company vehicles back in the 90’s. It was a Motorola model, but was mounted alongside a highband Motorola Spectra. The guest interviewee mentioned Johnson equipment. I know what he’s taking about as I work for Johnson (EF Johnson) and we have a few on display around the office. Don’t do phones much any more but still heavy in two way radios.

I remember watching the movie twins and seeing the car phone with Danny DeVito and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

1975: While attending college I worked for an alarm/security patrol company, graveyard shift, 73 Plymouth Satellite with Motorola Micor UHF 2-way and a eleven channel Motorola rotary dial VHF phone control head on the transmission hump, the actual phone (radio) was in the trunk. Used only to direct call alarm customers or direct call police briefly as charges were every 15 seconds (only mobile carrier around so they could charge as they pleased).

I have to admit, I really love this video essay on car phones so much! Keep up the great work, Zack.

AT&T had offered car phone service in major cities since the 1940s. It was a duplex radio service with a handful of frequencies, not cellular, (many towers, more frequencies..) so there were VERY limited connections (sometimes one would wait a half hour to get a "line"!). The later car phones of the 1980s WERE cellular phones, (the first HAND HELD cellular phone was demonstrated in 1973). but it took a while for cellular phones to become smaller AND "cheap", After cellular car phones became sort of normal, the "bag phone" became a thing. True handhelds at the consumer level followed. Then PDAs became hot in the 1990s (Most importantly, the Palm "Pilot") Marrying the Palm "Pilot" PDA concept to the cellular phone was the start of the "smartphone".

The first car my family owned is a 2000 Nissan Bluebird. The car is still being driven by my uncle up till now. We never made any mods to it over the years, so it still has some cool retro features, including a huge car phone in the glove box, a CD player in the trunk (which is kind of weird, because you need to walk around the car and open the trunk to access the CD tray, but the controls are located in the front center console; the CD tray can hold and read 5 - 6 CD discs simultaneously), a cassette player in the front center console (can hold up to 2 cassettes at the same time, if I recall correctly), and all sorts of mechanical buttons and switches. Every time I stepped into it, I felt as if I just travelled back in time lol

please do more car history I love these videos! I've been binging them all. fantastic work

In 1986, my dad had a Mitsubishi Diamond Tel car phone installed in his Toyota Camry. Very expensive at the time, but I noticed more and more cars had them in the late 80s living in Southern California. Honda offered a optional dealer installed car phone with a 1DIN keypad on the 1994-97 Accord.

Great video Zack! I still carry a pager. Paging technology was out decades before car phones (even RCC Mobilephones) and outlasted the car phone. Pager still has coverage where cellphones don't in my area.

I love how much of what we think of as pretty new, turns out to be far older than most realize. My personal favorite is how you can trace the fax machine all the way back to before telephones and some devices for copying signatures across telegraph lines.

Back in 1975 as a 12 year old boy I had a portable radio that could tune into a radio band, I think it was called WB-PSB. That was used in Orange County, California by “Santa Ana Mobile”, and sometimes I would hear neighboring “Riverside Mobile” on the same frequency. That radio frequency was used by the few wealthy people who had car phones to place calls with those mobile phone networks. Someone in a car would call an operator to connect them to a landline telephone number. The connection was made and the conversation began with the two people on the phone speaking freely about just about anything probably thinking that nobody was listening in. As a 12 year old boy I was entertained for hours listening to phone sex, drug deals or just mundane phone calls. Thanks for the memories!

I just discovered this channel and holy crap it’s awesome! I’ve binged all your documentary videos and they’re all great. I have a pair of BMWs (a 1998 740iL and 2001 750iL M Sport) and both were optioned with car phones when new. The phone in the 1998, while it does power on and beep, doesn’t work to call anyone anymore and you can’t get service at all. The 2001 however, does work fully! And I still have service on the phone, at least until Verizon turns off the CDMA network at the end of 2022.

I am SO glad you did this video. I vividly remembered my uncle having one of these in his Lincoln Town Car in the early-mid 90s but nobody else in the family remembered it. I was starting to wonder if I was going crazy!

I used to install these in the late 1990s. It was a horror story because some cars were prone to automatically triggering their airbags if you touched the wrong wires. I never set off one but I was waiting for it to happen! Certain GM models were also prone to deploying the airbag if you disconnected the car's positive battery lead while the negative was still connected. What a minefield.

Loving these mini documentaries you're doing!

ngl this is the series that will pump your way to 100k subs , loooove these videos keep them going please.

I'm glad I bumped into your channel and this video.. it's cozy.

I loved the sound of a car phone turning on while you started the car. Also the sounds of the ringer and sounds of the dial button.

My wife’s first mobile phone was a bag phone. A few years later she had a hard mounted car phone in her Saturn SC2. It had an external mic and speaker and worked great.

It is certainly interesting how technology has evolved. In Highscool I had an installed carphone/bag phone so I could transfer it to the houseboat. Back then in 1995 I never would have imagined one day I could send emails and access the internet or even text message on my phone. It is pretty crazy how tech has evolved.

I love your channel and the effort you put in the videos.

My parents had a "bag phone" for a short period. That thing was so awkward, they didn't keep it for long and had a phone installed in an '85 Chevy caprice classic, two tone tan, which eventually became my car. The antenna mounted on the trunk lid left a mark in the paint. Lol

I loved this video. I grew up with my father having a 'bag phone' he was a truck driver, he used it to coordinate his stops...and I racked up a huge bill once calling my friends, lol.

Here I am sitting in my 95 W140 S class while fiddling with my car phone in the center compartment, which amazingly still works. It got the mercedes Logo on it right by the mic. Can only imagine how the 1st owner of this tank felt when his mighty machine got specd out with a car phone. How times have changed, I wish I was an adult in the 90s. Seems like a calm and cool era to live in. Sadly I was just a lil kid back then born in Nov 94. But very thankful for being born in the 90s.

These mini documentaries are amazing keep it up 👍

During the late 80s, here in Italy, a friend of my dad had this beautiful full optional Fiat Croma Turbo (the luxury full size Fiat at the time) with the car phone. A real status symbol at the time, but, if you lived outside big cities, was pretty useless and very VERY expensive, also because, at the time, there was only one provider for phone communications, called SIP, a state owned company, so no competitor at all.

There are people out there that are trying to make prototypes to where are your existing hard mounted 80s car phone could work as a Bluetooth unit.

These are so good. You are a great story teller.

Nice video. Back in early 90s, we had a Motorola bag phone that could be moved from car to car. It was a heavy bag at about 10 pounds or so. Amazing how technology evolves for better or worse.

I traveled a lot and my first "Bag Phone" was bolted into my 1992 Honda. It had a separate handset with cord bolted to the dash. The AT&T rate was $.60/min Same car but two years later was a Nokia phone that added a hand free mike/speaker. This phone could be removed and put in your pocket Where we lived the bigger the mounted antenna the better. Signals would come and go on most back roads where travel on the interstate has better coverage. This technology enabled me to return calls the same day and without having to pull off the highway and find a phone booth. My monthly cell bill ran between $600-$900/month but saved hours since I was driving typically 5 hr/day between customer calls. The car phone increased my productivity at least 30% when combined with a pager My last "installed" phone (with car mounted antenna and hands free kit) was in my 2005 car

My grandma had a carphone in her Lincoln Town Car, they finally got rid of it I think in 96 or 97. I used to talk on that thing as a kid and thought it was so cool. I called my friend at his house and said I'm talking to you from a MOVING CAR. That was so exciting I still vividly remember that 25 years later.

My uncle Frank purchased a 1990 Cadillac Brougham sometime around 1997 when I was in 3rd grade, and it had a car phone, however it was no longer functional, but it still had the antenna on the roof near the back window if I remember correctly. Not sure who the previous owner was, but the fact it had the button tufted leather seating, and had the sunroof option, White wall tires, said a lot about the previous owner. Of course my favorite thing about the car was you flipped the license plate over to put gas in the car, and to open the trunk you rotated the Cadillac logo out of the way to insert the key, making a big deal out of it. That was dope.

1st car phone in our family: 1990 Audi V8 - which itself was very expensive (50k, not S class money but 7 series match) and may have come standard in that model, can't see Dad having paid more for the phone. It was all but forbidden to call him on that ("very expensive") and rarely used even for business - so what really was the point. [Point was, Dad dropped serious money on the car, but was still a poor kid - and watched pennies]

the classic sound the old motorola bag phones made when they turned on ... my 90s childhood - that was the sound of getting on the road. *car start* then *blurrrrrrp* from the phone mounted in the glove box signified movement and communication. So good!

Great video. Anyway you could do a video on the digital gauges that some manufacturers started using in the 80s and 90s? Feel like many younger drivers have no idea how awesome some of those gauges looked and how they went away. Thank you!!

Great video. Yes my 86 Fiero has a car phone. I have picked it up and acted like I was having a conversation at stop lights. Just for the looks. 🤣🤣

My dad has a 2007 Chevrolet Silverado that had the satellite phone through OnStar. It didn't have buttons for dialing but you'd instead speak out the number, which was often hit or miss. With that in mind coupled with the price of having the phone service on top of owning a cell phone, as a result he hasn't used it since the first couple years of owning the truck.

Yes to both of your questions at the end. In the early to mid 1990s both my wife and I had the ‘car’ phones installed in the car. That ended about 1999 or so when we got our first hand held cell phones. Also I bought (in 2013) a 1998 Mercedes E300 that had the built in Motorola handset style phone in the armrest. In the mid 2000s Mercedes had ditched the Motorola phone and instead provided a cradle that would accept certain hand held cell phones. You would purchase the phone through the dealer when you bought the car, but this setup let you take the phone with you when you left the car. As these early model cell phones went obsolete, Mercedes offered a solution with a module that plugged into the cradle that could be paired with any Bluetooth phone. However these could only do Handsfree profile, not A2DP. By 2010 they had integrated Bluetooth into the car stereo and this supported calling and A2DP. CarPlay started being offered in 2015, at first you had to pay extra for the dealer to unlock it but they quickly dropped that a few years later.

It's always interesting to see the past old car features was considered luxury compared to now It's standard feature

It was a long time ago and I was still very young so I don't remember exactly who had it. But I do remember writing semi regularly in a car that had a car phone. I remember someone telling me they charged them an arm and a leg per call. I learned years later that you could actually have a car phone without a specific plan but they would charge you per call if you needed to use it for roadside assistance. I hadn't thought about that in many years. This video definitely brought back some memories.👍

Brought a brand new 91 first year Ford Explorer with a factory phone mounted on the floor in the middle of the hump. Used it sparingly at from what I can remember about $2bucks a minute, but it so was cool and looked quite impressive. Broke off at least two antennas in the drive thru car wash before I remembered to fold it down. Had never bought a first year anything, furthermore a car AND a car phone. However, both worked out well. Lol! Nice vid!

The 92 explorer my family has had for like 20 years came with some sort of phone kit thing. There's a holder that looks like it's for a brick phone mounted to the floor along with a rectangular speaker in front of the center console, and a mic at the top of the a pillar trim. The antenna is still on the roof as well

My Dad got his first car phone in 1984, 2 years before I was born. It was a Mitsubishi and we had all the phones, bag phones and flip phones. All the phones. I don’t remember a world without a phone on deck at all times

While my family never had one, my aunt did! She had a station wagon (wood paneling and all), and had a car phone in it. I remember being in awe of it (I was a kiddo then). Later she gave the wagon to my family. We didn't keep the phone, but the car still at the phone antenna on the roof.

Great vid. You definitely need to follow up with history of factory installed cb radios!!!

My mom had a bag phone in the late 80s, and it was a predecessor to the cell phone, it was a phone that looked like a big purse with the handset part of a phone connected to it, and she had some setup that allowed her to plug the bag into the car, through a couple plugs in the trunk, and make phone calls from a handset in the front.

I bought a brand new 1985 Corvette and the first thing i did was have a car phone installed. Yes, expensive, about $1,200. for the installation and the phone itself, but the real costs were crazy, like $1. per minute for local calling, plus an additional $1. per minute roaming outside of your LOCAL area. then long distance charges were about $4. per minute on top of the base charges. And the topper of all things was, if someone called you on your car phone, you paid for it regardless that you didn't call the person. The phone companies got you coming and going for real back then. It was easy to rack up $300 or $400 dollars a month for a car phone back in the day.

The handset is gone, but we just got a 96 bmw 740 with the holder where you would rest your arm. I am 37 and growing up we even had a 80's voyager with a carphone. My dad is a mechanic and we used to sell cell phones for years. So, he would install the complete car kit in all our cars back then. We didn't have money, but it didn't cost all that much when you paid wholesale and installed yourself and lastly the phone companies gave you heavily discounted demo lines.

I had a bag phone then a flip phone. When I worked for what became ATT Cellular they gave us a car mount kit. You could pop the phone in the cradle and it was hands free after dialing.

A couple years ago my friend got a call from a random number and when he answered a woman yelled “Where ARE you!” so loud that I could hear it, then after finding out she had the wrong number apologized and said she was trying to call her mom’s carphone. I had only heard a little about carphones at that point because I was probably 15 or so and didn’t really have an interest in things like that yet. Now every time I hear even the slightest whisper of carphone I think of that call.

I immediately remembered the song Car Phone! By Julian Smith when I saw this video pop up. Man does that take me back

My parents had a car phone in their old 89 Buick.. you should do a video on why car’s don’t use drum brakes any more or rather a history of brakes and different brakes over the years.

Yep, I had one. In the early/mid 2000s, I drove triaxle dump truck for a company and there was a company car phone in it. We used it just like any telephone. Except we mainly used our to call back to the dispatcher for info on a load.

It was like '89 and my Dad had a Fleetwood, with a cell phone, and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Fast forward to 2009 and my '95 735 had the cell phone in the armrest, but wouldn't work because the technology had increased so much. Still, it was a fun talking point. Just happened upon your vids, they're pretty cool. Have subscribed and looking forward to more!

My Dad did very well for himself as an electrical contractor in NYC. He had a cell phone installed for business in his Eddie Bauer special edition 1986 Ford Bronco. The cost to use it was exorbitant ($5.00 a minute-$14/min in today’s money). He would let me borrow the car when I started driving. I would try to impress my friends by using it to call home and let my Dad know where I was (but he already knew where I was and that I was trying to impress people.) I would make fake phone calls and never hit “Send” to complete the call. 😂 I was such a poser… your video reminded me of all of that pretentiousness that was really the eighties. Not everyone but many People bought things they couldn’t afford, with money they didn’t have to impress people they didn’t know. Boy, do I miss the eighties….😂😂😂

The beginning of the video totally had me thinking I would see Julian Smith's "Car phone" song start playing haha.

My step mother had a Car Phone back in the 80s - she was a successful life insurance agent, and the car phone let her confirm appointments, check in with the office, etc while driving from client to client

I had a car phone installed in my car - but you could take the phone out of the trunk by disconnecting a couple of wires, unplugging the handset from the handset holder and connecting it to the "box". The phone had a rechargeable battery that charged when it was in the car. It was like a bag phone (without the bag) and had a handle. As for the antenna - I didn't have the curly antenna, but something called a "turk" antenna. It was the size of an index card and was in the corner of the rear windshield.

I still have one in my 1987 Motorhome, it obviously doesn't get signal, but it powers up and lights up. I keep in in there for the vintage look

I've been having the side project set for my 86 Dodge Lancer suited up with all these kind of 80s tech especially a car phone and plan on tinkering and if possible get it to take cars. But overall the car phones were such a cool sight to see

I had a car phone installed in my 1989 Honda Civic in the early 1990s. I remember I had to make an appointment to have the phone installed and took about 4 hours to install. It was a corded handset (removable) and the base was non-removable. The monthly fee was astronomical and the per minute fee to make a phone call was worse. I would have monthly phone bills over $200 dollars/month. They also had ridiculous contracts. But when your in your in your early twenties sometimes you do some crazy things. Needless to say when the gigantic bagged mobile phones came around I ditched the car phone. They had cheaper plans and were more versatile. You could use them outside your car.

I was in a random audio shop in a local flea market, and they had a Ford-branded car phone. I'm not super familiar with models of car phone or other things like that, but it was definitely cool to see.

I had that exact Uniden phone back in 1992. It was actually sold as a bag phone but the cell phone company at the time, NYNEX, offered a car mounted cradle and stick on antenna that was installed in my 86 Daytona. The brain of the phone was mounted under the driver's seat. My plan was $60/month for 60 minutes. The home area covered two counties and roaming was $1.25 per minute plus long distance fees. It was common for me to have a $125+ monthly bill. We have it so good now with smartphones.

Missed a lot of the details. In the 90s, I had the entire series in car system with a fixed, wired handset; bag phone with in-car connection to the antenna and speakers; huge flip phone mounted in the car with a charger, antenna, and connection through the speakers. They all had better reception than later phones. My wife had a portable cell phone in 1993. The antenna on the back window was the status symbol.

My dad had one in the mid 80’s in his Suburban (after market). It was the coolest thing. My dad would pickup my friends and they were always shocked to see it. We also had one in our boat.

I just bought a mazda 323 with a Blaupunkt Berlin multimedia radio system installed. You could plug your car phone into the multimedia system and have the equivalent to a modern speakerphone. Apparently the multimedia system without any addons like nav or the car phone cost you around 7k back then. It even had a little blue white red screen that showed you the current cd or radio station you were listening to. And it mostly ran with fiber optic cables connecting the different modules.

I had a car phone from the early to mid 90's. An obnoxious thing that wasn't mentioned was when the key wasn't in the ignition, instead of the phone ringing, the horn would honk. Also you had to manually connect to each mobile phone tower. There was no automated transfer as with cell phones.

In ‘99, I bought my first nice car that was a 1993 Honda Accord EX sedan that had a Motorola car phone installed in it. It didn’t have service, but it could still call the state police the few times we needed it. If you tried to dial any other number than 911, it would prompt you for a credit card number to use and charge the call to. It had a cool beep sound that let you know. It was working when you turned on the car and a swanky little antenna on the back window. I knew a couple other people that had the cords like mine, but they weren’t stick shift and they didn’t have a Motorola car phone melted on the passenger side of the gearshift console.

I recall one in-vehicle phone was when I got a lift with a lineman back in the late 90s. His van had an analogue phone that used a private cellular network operated by the ESB (electric grid operator in Ireland) for its fleet. When he reached our house, I asked if he could call our landline # as there was no mobile phone reception from any operator in my area at the time. Sure enough, it dialled out fine and rang the house phone. It was the only cellular phone I recall that had a dial tone. Another huge benefit I recall with car phones (at least with one on a bus I regularly took) is they could operate well outside the coverage limits that mobile phones could operate with due to the large roof-mounted antenna.

My dad's 1993 Mercury Cougar had a car phone installed, and I got the car handed down to me when I got my license in '97. You could program numbers into a speed dial, too. Today, when I think about car phones I only ever think of Miami Vice. Sonny Crockett had one in his Ferrari Daytona & Testarossa throughout the series.

Yep, Early 90's - tech got to Australia a bit later back then. My Dad used to have a carphone (that looked like the motorola ones you showed) in his company car.

When I was a kid my moms Celica (92) had a car phone, but she didn’t have a plan for it because it was already the late 90s and she had a Nokia brick she carried around.

Excellent! I remember the EH237 from Ericsson - not a car phone but a great mobile phone

i love these videos

Around 2001ish my Dad got rid of the hard mount phone in his truck because you couldn’t get it to work anymore

My dad's Dodge Aries had one, in one of those big zip nylon cases. I found it one day in the trunk, when the Motorola Crickets first came out.

The 'car phone' was just another version of what was called the 'cell phone' (short for cellular phone) from the start. I worked as an installer in 1990-91 at a shop that dealt phones and also two-way radios. We were a Motorola dealer, and Motorola made the best equipment- you could just about drive nails with the Motorola car-phone handset! I installed phones in everything from Nissan Sentras to Cadillacs, Mercedes, and Volvos, lots of commercial pickups, a few police vehicles including undercover cars (one was a Mustang GT!), an RV, a few semi-trucks, etc. I could put a phone in a Ford F150 in under 45 minutes, while a Mercedes took all day if done properly. I also got to train a little on the stuff done by the bench-techs, such as replacing defective boards in the transmitter 'brick' and assigning a new customer account to the phone. For hand-held phones, the Motorola 'white brick' was already out, and during my year at the shop Motorola introduced the first flip-phone, a bulky grey thing that could make and receive calls, and could store 49 phone numbers! WOW! And it cost $5000, and that's 1991 dollars, the equivalent of $10895.63 today! Another highlight, my town was home to a major SEC university and I put phones into the Cadillacs that the university leased for the head football and basketball coaches. Oh and remember phone books? Imagine seeing them in people's cars- I have! Interesting times, interesting work.

This video is supposed to be the "The History Of Phones Installed In Cars" but only goes back to the beginning of the cellular age. Mobile vehicular FM communications began in the 1930's but by the 1940's the industry figured out a way to cross the two-way radio with the cash register, and it's been downhill ever since.

I always loved the tone they would make when the car started.

my mom had a GMC Safari conversion van back in the 90's that had a car phone, she used to make calls after she picked me up from school and tell dad we were heading home and discuss what was for dinner. ahhh good times...

We didn't have a car phone, but we did have a "bag phone". I remember my mom getting it for Christmas and we were all so excited for it! It was about 95-96, if I remember correctly.

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Love it!

My mom and dad had these phones installed in their cars in the ‘80s!!

my dad was an exec for texaco and had a car phone in as early as 87. he would call my mom to tell her he was on his way from the 45 minute commute home so she could start making dinner. it was dope

I really love this video.

A friend of our family had a phone in his Rolls but with his , you had to be connected by a lady who would then put your call through , just like making a long-distance call back in the day but from your car , this was all very expensive but still very cool , in our house we were still using a rotary phone . I remember seeing the transmitter and receiver in the trunk , that thing was a beast .This was back in the 1970s