Highlighting the parts is really a good idea, makes it very clear, and when in motion it makes a lot of sense
@NielsHeusinkveld3 жыл бұрын
Hi Empty, I appreciate you do this as I think it is good to take some of the fear out of car setup! But I just want to point one thing. 2:12 'ARB typically felt mid corner' really isn't correct. What changes the balance of the car is the front versus rear roll stiffness. Typically this is the combination of springs and bars. The stiffer side takes more of the weight transfer and that side will have the most unevenly loaded tires. If you picture a car from above, you can imagine a side force from the front tires and from the rear tires. If the front forces are higher, you have more oversteer. If the rear forces are higher you have more understeer. Load sensitivity is a wierd tire thing that comes down to the axle that has the most evenly loaded tires, gives the most grip. So a stiff front with the inside tire almost off the ground relies on one tire to provide the grip. One heavily loaded tire has less grip than two tires under medium load. The instant you are cornering, be that trail braking, mid corner or corner exit, the weight transfer is divided over the front and rear axle, and you feel this 'stiff front = understeer, stiff rear = oversteer' balance almost immediately. It isn't 'more so' mid corner. And this stiffness is literally an addition of springs + bars. In some sims literally a spring of 80 and bar of 20 will have the same pure cornering feel (ish) as a spring of 100 with a disconnected bar. We're ignoring many things here but in the simplest view this is true. I did make a rambling video about setups myself that might be worth listening to for viewers and isn't super in depth with scary spreadsheets. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f56oZqyEvbnSdZs.html But again, good to do this, a few videos like these (Aris does a nice job too) and people might learn something and save some money! :-)
@TacticalCardboard3 жыл бұрын
We're on the same page, you are just going further than I want to for these videos. Congrats, you are an advanced learner! lol Yes the ARBs are going to have an effect once you start loading up the car, but on entry and exit you also have the rest of the suspension setup and differential working as well which will arguably have a bigger effect at that phase of the corner short of just throwing all of the ARB in there. It's an intentionally simplistic view: Same way spring splits and rake weren't mentioned at all - topic for something later. Easier to make sense of that once you understand what the heck parts are even on the car for.
@NielsHeusinkveld3 жыл бұрын
@@TacticalCardboard alright, yes the trick with these videos is to not scare people away, but also not leave out too many essential bits, you will always do both regardless to some people. :-) If you want to chat about car setup in general or specifically how to explain something, I'm happy to chat about it. Don't wanna interfere with your plan but in case you want an ear to talk ideas into, mine is available.
@mjqt99213 жыл бұрын
As soon as I see that Niels largely approves of someone's explanation, I'm all ears! :)
@HumarProd3 жыл бұрын
Exactly the series I was awaiting for
@foxtochopkun44383 жыл бұрын
Sim Racing Setup Basics 101 - Ep. 1 Here we go baby, instant like
@latenaattori66673 жыл бұрын
Nice approach to setups. Usually it's just "adjusting this will make the car do this", and not about understanding what the parts actually do. Very helpful.
@Bullhead_JW3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. I've never understood setups and I need this.
@angos19872 жыл бұрын
Really nice explanation of the basics of the setup parameters, though what will help everyone make more targeted tweaks and get even more laptime on pure cornering conditions (I.e besides for example the effect of spring rates on aerodynamics and bump response), is the balance of the car, meaning the tendency to over/understeer. Let's take for example a slow steady state corner(so that the aerodynamic balance doesnt have a great effect). If in the specified corner your car understeers, you can either stiffen the rear ARB, or soften the front ARB (same for spring rates, though they affect other aspects as mentioned). In the same manner you can tweak your dampers rebound/compression for corner exit/entry respectively. Then, the tire pressure will also affect the stiffness of each axle, so for example after lowering the tire pressure on one axle, you might want to increase the ARB stiffness to counteract. This is just a simple example, but the suspension characteristics greatly influence the effect of load transfer and its distribution and can help you greatly with the setup in corners. I hope this was helpful, if anyone is interested to learn more there is plenty of reading material online about basic vehicle dynamics, or setup.
@paulkelleway80323 жыл бұрын
You are a legend, so glad you came back!
@liquidkameleon3 жыл бұрын
I usually never bothered to touch the spring rates, but then I found out that they mostly affect weight transfer. The softer the springs are in the front, the more weight you'll allow to be transferred on braking. Likewise, softening the rear springs will help stabilize the car on corner exit. When you feel like the car is too loose and oscillates too wildly when transferring weight, stiffen up those springs.
@michaelmgermano3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I like when you explain specifically what each thing does, instead of just saying "turning up makes it turn more and turning down makes it turn less". It's helpful to understand which things affect which sections of a corner, as well as what effects bumps, straights etc.
@lrgsmoke14393 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this new series!!! Very in-depth and knowledgeable!
@Numl0k3 жыл бұрын
Mm yes, I know some of those words. No but seriously, this one is going into my saved videos so I can watch it again once I start understanding things a little more deeply. Thanks for making this kind of content!
@Emily1963eh3 жыл бұрын
Got a feeling this series will be very re-watchable. Looking forward to the rest ;)
@vt60203 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this series. Although there are a plethora of them on KZfaq, it’s always great to have setups explained from different points of view and communication styles.
@willlyon893 жыл бұрын
Really helpful and informative. Thanks Matt, looking forward to the rest of the videos.
@Ace331FTW3 жыл бұрын
This looks like it'll be a great series and I'm glad to see you uploading regularly again!
@hadamana3 жыл бұрын
This is by far the most informative video I have come across on this particular of suspension setup, so I have commented for viewer engagement =D Thank ye much!
@KumaKaori3 жыл бұрын
Only having owned a driving wheel for 4-ish months now. And mostly Trial and error'ing my suspension changes in Dirt Rally 2 (XD;.) It's nice to get these videos explaining things so It makes more sense why what I'm doing is affecting things the way they are.
@RWoody19953 жыл бұрын
Great that you're covering setups after all these years ^_^ I hope they help people consider open setup racing more... if only more would recognise that until you're in the top 1% setup isn't a barrier to getting good racing and shouldn't add extra time to your practice sessions. For me the only downside to open setup racing is the first few hours driving a car, you have to figure out what your baseline is so you might need more practice time then but even so... it's not like you're going to find a new series with a type of car you've never driven before and be fast within 10-20 laps of practice just because its fixed setup anyway.
@karlsamson17653 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt, great video and look forward to learning more
@PlenumGaming3 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking I needed a video like this and then you post this. Thank you Empty Box & thank you universe.
@richysracing95243 жыл бұрын
Love empty box been here year's big up,
@CaptainCrunch993 жыл бұрын
Excellent info, and more interesting and more effective than just reading the same info.
@Henry-fi9wp3 жыл бұрын
I’m with you 100% in the war on paid setups! Teach us how to set the cars up for ourselves, in Matt we trust!
@andrelourenco52913 жыл бұрын
Good job! Up until now I had no idea what the purpose of a damper was and now I know it is actually a verb and tells exactly what it does :). I love RBR and this helps a lot with setups there as well
@bohunt81133 жыл бұрын
I blame cars going flying through the stratosphere in iRacing on bad shocks, the springs immediately release their energy, and BOOM!!! Orbit.
@oeleboeleperen3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Keep it up. Not very long videos which makes it easier to keep watching and absorb the information provided.
@rideroundandstuff3 жыл бұрын
I honestly believe that I've never heard a better explanation about suspensions im all of my years of sim racing. Very good job! Short, easy to understand and yet you didn't leave out anything (at least that I'm aware of).
@fabiomattos8893 жыл бұрын
Nice art work with the highlights it makes very easy to understand
@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X3 жыл бұрын
Great video - thank you! And those 1967 F1 cars are machines of beauty.
@EricGibson13 жыл бұрын
Watching a compressed spring go through a roof is a thing. Definitely fucking scared the shit out of everyone in the shop.
@piperpa42723 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm looking forward to your next videos on the subject.
@justkris64613 жыл бұрын
Nice. A new 101 series.
@WilXuH Жыл бұрын
Bring these back please, Matt 😁😁😁
@dylanhale73003 жыл бұрын
Thank God someone explains this finally....
@andrewcarlson30243 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to more videos like this!
@idontneedthis663 жыл бұрын
Good stuff man!
@markb87343 жыл бұрын
Really helpful, thank you
@BoredHistoryTeacher3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt this is fantastic!
@86tougerunner3 жыл бұрын
Comment for that algorithm
@yurimolotov58863 жыл бұрын
Cant wait. Learned smt again. Thx
@MrBeerscuits3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@zenronaut3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Empty box made this as a response to my comment where i could never figure out how to do car setup stuff.
@Xopop2 жыл бұрын
thank you
@TheGreatIndoors19793 жыл бұрын
3:35 Star Trek TOS USS Enterprise bridge sound
@MrAnimal19713 жыл бұрын
Great series so wanted this. I use the forza app but I'm experimenting to "fine tune" my tunes. LOL
@rieskame3 жыл бұрын
I get confused when adjusting front and rear suspension. I am great at making legends cars undrivable by turning them into tractors or amusement park teapots!
@kyledean45122 жыл бұрын
I saw that you have this video and the tire/alignment video, but nothing after that. Do you plan on continuing this series?
@shamrock-3 жыл бұрын
This was really informative for the newbs. I think its pretty pitiful that people don't know how to set up a car. Once you learn, you can have a competitive car in 10 minutes.
@dylanhale73003 жыл бұрын
So if the car is understeering, what can I change that won't make the car twitchy and unpredictable later in the run...
@TacticalCardboard3 жыл бұрын
Few things to unpack : The car is almost never going to be perfect all of the time, so it's often a matter of what do you prioritize. The big place to start though with that in mind is where is it twitchy and unpredictable. On the power, into the corner, mid corner, corner exit, high speed or low speed corners? The other is the question of why is the car becoming twitchy and unpredictable. Is it burning off the rear tires faster than the fronts and that is the problem? Assuming that, perhaps driving differently would be the best way to go assuming you haven't totally screwed the pooch setup wise. Just because it's faster lap 5 doesn't mean it will be faster on lap 25. Is the car just too stiff to begin with and once the tires wear in a bit it's just too sharp overall? Might just go softer on the springs by the same amount on all corners. Or is it a case of as the fuel burns off the weight distribution change is causing the issue? Something likes this would go back to working with what you got and figure out what you want to do. (worth mentioning as the ACC 911 GT3s are really fuel load sensitive)
@IndyGuest3 жыл бұрын
As a NASCAR fan, could you maybe translate some NASCAR terms? Is the "track-bar" the same as the anti-roll bar? Likewise is a "wedge" adjustment the same as the blades? Cheers dude, thanks for the info!
@TacticalCardboard3 жыл бұрын
Maybe at the end I'll circle back to some of the oval specific stuff, but that's not something I'm particularly familiar with beyond "more wedge more loose". The track bar is part of the suspension geometry and not an ARB, wedge is spring loading on the RR.
@IndyGuest3 жыл бұрын
I see, thanks! Hell even caveman terms are at least better than nothing. I remember you suggesting the adjust the spring rate for the GSCE/AMS1 SuperV8. I never fully knew why, but when I did what you suggested, the car would turn better. Now I know lol
@chihchang11393 жыл бұрын
what the fuck? this is awesome!
@c.j25273 жыл бұрын
Dude where did you go?
@takumifujiwara20732 жыл бұрын
Not very helpful. Just mentioning car parts, but it doesn’t matter if you don’t explain the affects that they have. What about the balance of grip??
@bringersbob3 жыл бұрын
felippe 2009 = ( from barrichello brawn ...
@alpha007org3 жыл бұрын
Which setting do I change if I don't know the track? Someone, who is 10 sec faster than me, said WheelRate should be high. :)))
@TacticalCardboard3 жыл бұрын
That's the driver mod, need to go up a few clicks on it. Usually found in the 5th setup page in most sims.
@alpha007org3 жыл бұрын
@@TacticalCardboard I think there is a language barrier here. We are talking about cooking right?
@chriscorso69563 жыл бұрын
My question is how do you know all this? Is this gathered from your racing knowledge or are you mechanically inclined fella?
@TacticalCardboard3 жыл бұрын
Somewhat mechanically inclined, I really just like understanding how things work.
@Scoobydcs3 жыл бұрын
setting up a car is a black art, i kinda know the theory but it doesn seem to work for me in practise lol