Thanks for this!

MY MAN!

​@@cardboardninja2429 How would you rank Avenger 57mm after it got changed to cost 4 energy? Noe it feels very strong, even on 5k PS 2 of them and no generator allow to make a very durable and fast vechicles.

I'm just glad that I was able to help in some way =D

@@cardboardninja2429 Bro I just bought my third whirl as you ranked it in S tier. No one is using it but it kicks SO MUCH ass ! Thank you for the recommandation, I use the omni wheels for better precision and I'm having a blast.

Sometimes be like that yeha ha ^^

I am one with the force and the force is one with me ~

Daymn! Thanks for taking a look!

Thanks for the sub!

I think that it's important to differentiate weapons into tiers of efficacy - this is because if you don't do it that way then you end up with just a damage tier list, where the weapon that puts out the highest DPS is simply the best. Perhaps that's something I'll do in future but that information isn't typically hard to find or understand. I'm glad you enjoyed the list! I'm trying to time my next list for when there isn't a release of a weapon or part into the game that's going to make everything all whomperjawed =D

I have one weapon tier list update already! Don't make me do it again XD

@@cardboardninja2429 .. .. .. .. just do it! xD

We need a new tier list

​@@cardboardninja2429 You should post it as a community tab post

People have no idea how much effort these tier list can take from a man... But we sure do appreciate it. It is a good content. Mybe no need to do them all just the important ones for nee player :)

Thanks! I do my best =D

Interesting... it doesn't sound like you're doing this on a spider walker since you're using dog prongs, though I could be wrong. Whirls are a great choice and there are quite a few functional builds out there to go to!

@@cardboardninja2429 Well, our latest revision is that sideways auger thing: i.imgur.com/K26WQr2.jpeg and can operate at 4000-5600 ps. It seems that meat grinder is a good weapon on it's own, but I tend to lose guns fast when I can't undermount them. Here is more primitive version (that can mount stuff underside) in action if you are curious: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m61npcSemNKbfYk.html but it probably needs 3rd auger for full stability. It is not easy to balance hp with ps and gun health for me on slow builds overall, game have become really fast lately.

Thanks for the words of encouragement =P

WEEELLLL If you mix and match drones you can get the RS-Type co-driver's perk to trigger...

I think that Pulsars are quite good, especially when fused for reload and projectile velocity. I used to have Pulsars but I used them to create Scorpions. If I hadn't I would still have them.

If you look at the "tale of the tape", turreted cannons start off extremely strong and if they scaled linearly with powerscore the Fat Man would normally do just fine, but the weapon suffers in a somewhat unique way. One of the semi-staples of the turreted cannon is that you are rewarded for landing your shots (Hulk, Fat Man, Mammoth). But the thing is you are equally punished for missing those shots. The reason the Hulk is so oppressive is a combination of hitbox (able to better be defended behind cabin or other parts), damage, and reload speed. If you miss a shot with the Hulk, it isn't so bad! The Fat Man takes a sharp detour from this because the reload speed of the Fat Man is so slow that missing your shots becomes devastating especially coupled with the hitbox change forcing it to be more exposed than the previous iterations. Beyond that, as mentioned in the list, the Fat Man gives so much powerscore that you start running into those pesky hovers who have a decisive advantage against the slower projectile speed of turreted cannons. The Fat Man was my first epic weapon in Crossout, back before the "special" tier, so believe me I wanted it to be good and I ran a lot of builds trying to make it so, but hovers were (and are) eternally an issue that makes this weapon struggle.

My guy

This reminds me of a line from the original Jurassic Park: "Nature finds a way."

@@cardboardninja2429 What can I say, I'm really devoted to making dumb shit work. See also: my Clarinet ICBM, where I use a skinner+hover flip to fire a clarinet 80 degrees vertically and snipe people across the map :P

A couple of things of note: 1. This Tier list was created on the release of the Varun - pre buffs that it recently received. 2. As noted in the list, Spikes are a sniper weapon. Just like the Scorpion, meant for precision take downs. The Varun is the first DPS crossbow, and therefore competes more with DPS weapons. 3. Weapons are based on landing shots - for example if you miss your first 3 scorpion shots in any game of Crossout you are going to die, but does that mean the Scorpion is bad? If you are supremely effective and land your bolts from the Spike that means you only have to expose yourself for mere seconds for maximum damage - this is simply a different playstyle to the Varun. Post buff to the Varun, more front-loading the perk, I could see perhaps reconsidering the position on the Tier list, though. Stay tuned for a Tier list update!

Thanks for detailed response. Here is mine. 1. Understandabe 2. Spikes have relatively low projectile speed contrary to the scorpions and arching bolt trajectory. Even if you aimed your shot perfectly, enemy can evade it when the bolts are in the air by just turning. Therefore they cannot be used as a precision sniper weapon because impact point moves. If you close the distance so your shots are precise because of the short flight time, you are forced to cqc which is dps based, spike lacks there. Varun because of the boosted projectile speed by its perk and great accuracy is arguably a better sniper weapon than the spike at the moment. Spike will out dps Varun when peaking from cover. Its the only scenario where spike is actually better. But spikes lack versatility and are not a viable option in a quick changing battle conditions that crossout provides. 3. Scorpion is a dedicated sniper weapon because of the projectile speed but also highest in the game penetration effect which makes destroying vital parts hidden behind armour possible (Thats why it doesnt need high fire rate or even dps). Spike has none of those traits. It needs to eat its way through the armour to hit vital parts, from the distance, on moving target, with slow bolt while peaking from cover and checking the radar if its not rushed. Spike is in a weird spot between an incapable sniper and a low dps middle range precision weapon with an awful reload. Its hard to go below 9k powerscore with them where they kinda work but the higher you go the more useless they feel.

2. Spikes have a smaller projectile size (the smallest in the game) compared to the scorpion, and the Scorp is a relic while the Spike is an epic. With that said, quad spike does nearly 600 bullet damage, and that's nothin' to sneeze at! All sniper weapons prior to the Scorpion are going to have a slower projectile velocity - even the Assembler and Astraeus which have zero projectile drop. Note: I forgot to update the position of the Astraeus! It got buffed too! 3. Taking powerscore into account, you can snipe with Spikes just fine - because you are going to be fighting far squishier builds. Getting through structure parts is not an issue with the spike, as there isn't a single structure part in the entire game that can survive a single spike hit (198 damage). Beyond that, two spikes penetrate nearly all bumpers in the game, and 3 spikes penetrate all bumpers in the game except the super plow. There's no doubt the Varun out dps's the Spike, but the same can be said for the Arbiter, Thunderbolt, and many other weapons - the point is with the Spike you only need to expose yourself for the instant you fire, the rest of the time you are hidden from counterfire (ideally), while the Varun is a face-time weapon to achieve the DPS.

In this case it's because of the Goblin: It does effectively the exact same thing and is available earlier and is viable in every single power score range you can get it into. The Gremlin is great because it has all of the same properties, but the perk actually is what holds it back as it incentivizes ramming players at speed, thus attempting to force that gameplay style. If you fail to ram an opponent then the Gremlin actually doesn't have a perk at all. Beyond that the fire rate of the Gremlin is actually lower than that of the goblin (about 25% slower rate of fire), and with a higher powerscore it means that it's going to be fighting more durable builds. I'm just thankful they fixed the perk so the damage bonus you gain from a ram is shared across the gremlins...

To be clear: In a 1v1 scenario starting at long distance, yes the Stillwind outperforms the Cyclone! Crossout is an 8v8 scenario where enemies can use cloaking modules to close distance to you, where some, all, or none of your enemies are using weapon parity (meaning they may just be using shotguns, porcupines, cannons, etc. instead of the same weapon type as you). In GENERAL 8 times out of 10, regardless of whether or not you are using the Stillwind or the Cyclone the majority of your enemies are going to attempt to close the gap and shoot you at point blank range. In those 8 out of 10 cases the Cyclone is going to easily outperform the Stillwind. In 1 out of 10 cases you are going to be in a situation where Autocannons (Regardless of the autocannon) is going to be straight-up outclassed (Scorpions, Typhoon/Tsunami, Crossbows, etc.) Which leaves the miracle 1 out of 10 situation where you are engaged in a mid-long range extended fight against weapon parity - where you will have the advantage. Hence the Tier rankings of each =P

1. I can see your point about the Harvester being B-Tier 2. Corvo, as I said, isn't a bad gun but it lands in direct competition with machine guns that can do the exact same job but better. Beyond that, yes, the worm builds are extremely brutal, but this isn't a build tier-list, it's a weapon tier list, and as a weapon it doesn't truly dominate in any powerscore - as I said, a very high C tier. 3. True, the Snowfall, if used well doesn't have a perk (You really shouldn't be eating your own rockets most of the time). Also the low projectile velocity means that it's a mid to close range weapon as well, but there isn't really a powerscore that it is bad in - you're not going to struggle to use the Snowfall like you will with the Waltz, for example.

*squints* I get the hint LoL

I really do appreciate the thanks - I hope it helps!

Thank you very much =D

0.o Wow, that's probably the largest compliment I've received on any of my videos ever!

@@cardboardninja2429 The way you describe the guns,cabs etc, makes me see them a little differently. I hated many, i would barely even use them in the exib while the 'community' i'd chill with in bedlam is toxic af being a bunch of crying babies ... cw is TOO straight forward ( firedogs only lmfao ) not allowing me to grind fast either ( while my patience is literally rock bottom ) so yeah ... your chill vids somehow just hit in a different way showing me how wrong i was about the overall game :p ( also an idea for a video, best movement part for each cab >.> )

AAAAnnnnnd little known fact - I did the whole thing in 1 take no edits.

I would like to direct you to the video I made discussing autocannons specifically which I touch up on one of the points I made there briefly in the video: The Rapier is one of the better Autocannons... but it is misleading. Here's why; when you first get the rapier you will be in very low powescore, something like sub 2k, where there isn't much armor on a build to play with. This means that every shot the rapier does feels impactful. Combine that with the fact that the Medium Wheel is going to be the primary movement part with its low hitpoints the Rapier can strip key weapons or maneuverability from opponents easily. This leads to a false narrative. The Autocannon falls off... HARD. As parts become more durable as powerscore increases the Rapier's damage (and indeed nearly the entire Autocannon line's damage) doesn't keep up. The time it takes to remove a wheel goes from 1 to 2 direct hits to 6 to 7, and the number of wheels on a build goes from potentially 4 to 6 to to 8. The hitpoints on a Tsunami is in the 1000 range, meanwhile the Whirl is doing something like 32 damage per hit, for example. Beyond that, autocannon traverse speed (the time it takes for the barrel to spin) is a huge issue in any distance closer than mid range and that requires players to be VERY cognizant of that and correct their shots accordingly. Coupled with the weapon not being hit-scan, fast moving targets at any range (including close) require you to lead your shots heavily to hit, thus removing precision to remove some parts due to weapon convergence. So when you take a vaunting performance and combine it with a false narrative (the weapon essentially tricks you into thinking that is how Autocannons will play), and then couple that with bullet velocity forcing you to lead targets and a horrible turret traverse, AND a horrible hit box making it very difficult to armor I believe I make a strong case to rate it at C-Tier.

Its only effective sub 3k ps, after that you have cannons with rotating movement parts thats just supperior in every way

Teaching people how to build and game mechanics are things I do plan on doing in the future, but those videos require an extreme amount of time to produce!

And now people can stop asking for it XD

See, that's the trick with Retchers! Never let your opponent know you have them, until it's too late =D

There are a couple of things that I should have mentioned as well that lends Goblins to being higher ranked than Gremlins: The barrel of the Gremlin is a floating-barrel while the Goblin is Fixed: This causes interesting build-flagging issues where sometimes the Gremlin won't have a firing angle on close-in opponents. Because the Goblin's barrel is not free floating and is A-symmetrical you can actually invert them to get even better angles of fire than you would expect. Ermak combined with either the Goblins or the Gremlins is going to produce similar results, but that tends to be more due to the Ermak than anything =P

@@cardboardninja2429 Interesting, I may experiment with the goblins a bit more. I will say I've never had any issues with the gremlins refusing to fire even when the front of my build is shoved into the middle of an enemy.

0.o Why is everyone riding me on the Whirlwinds?! XD I don't know if anything was changed with them - I don't think they got buffed in any way, but I still don't put them higher than C-tier - you can win with weapons in C-tier, it's just harder.

@@cardboardninja2429 almost every match I am mvp and close to or over 2k damage. I mean I absolutely slaughter. I also think the whirls are complete garbage lol I personally think they are the worst auto cannon. So inaccurate, slow turning rate. But that’s just me

Well I do have a tier list out there for all the equipment in the game which includes the engines...

If you have fused Judges, then fused Judges, otherwise you can drop tripple avenger.

Hmm, then it's possibly C tier. The idea is thus: The Yokai isn't always going to be able to perform as you like it to. This is, as I said, because you can't control your own nor your enemy's verticality. If your opponent is above you, it's going to be nearly impossible to land a shot that will perform the miraculous de-framing so it becomes a less effective rocket launcher at that point. Ultimately even if this does control a hover player's movements, it also controls yours as well to get into the position required to land that shot.

@@cardboardninja2429 fair enough, I always notice myself setting my priorities on holding the high ground with Yokai, so it significantly affects my playstyle aswell. Thanks for your reply! I appreciate what you’re doing, especially for a not massively popular game.

*nods* *walks into the sunset*

Piercer is a great gun! Can you believe that it used to be rare? They didn't change it, just increased the power score because it was that good =P

*sigh* Yes =( I know, I know! I have to do the thing again =(

Nice! Means time well spent for the both of us! =D

*gives the nod*

*squints*

I think that the Yokai is the quintessential C tier weapon: Niche Weapon that only does one thing. When built toward it can function. Changes the way YOU play but not the way your opponent plays against you. Beyond that, players using the Yokai can't guarantee those shots, while players using more direct weapons can guarantee their weapons effectiveness on every shot. Remember, just because something CAN work and CAN get kills doesn't make it B tier - to be B tier the weapon needs to be effective within a limited power score range. I don't know any power score range the Yokai is truly effective, and since Clan Wars is typically 13,000+ I would genuinely see it struggle mightily there as there are other better ranged options that could easily shut the Yokai down before it could reliably land that miracle shot. That said, I have heard tales of people using the ATGM Flute in Clan Wars too, so there's that =P

@@cardboardninja2429 you can use it at any powerscore, Griffin + cloak for high ps. But it’s definitely niche so C can be agreed

I'll create an update to include the new stuff =P

Welllll.... I'm going to have to do a video about damage reduction in Crossout - you definitely receive damage, a bit more than you think you would. That said the Ermak + Averter combo isn't bad. I am eager to see how this is going to function with that new legendary module that also provides another layer of damage reduction...

Wasps are a great weapon as they have the fastest reload of all the double-fire rocket launchers. Also 2499 is about where wasps are going to dominate =P

Are any other weapons good with omnis

I shall put the list in the description!

WEEEEEEEEELLLL.... Wait until the majority of players have the Flock...

You want to make one what? A weapon tier list?! crossoutdb.com is where I got the images =P

@@cardboardninja2429 thx, im gonna make one that is soleley based on 7 years of experience, as well as fun factor and weapon cost on average ;)

Firebugs are phenomenal in 13k+, as I have said before (even in this video), but you can't bring a Firebug to LOWER powerscores without struggling. This isn't a damage Tier list - if it were then Gravastars and Firebugs would be S, obviously, but you also wouldn't need a Tier list in the first place! =P I explain what each tier means early on in the video if that helps!

Stillwind prices will come down... eventually, I'm sure...

Whenever I can =P

And the mace is a teal sledgehammer =P

I don't know fi it's slightly weaker - the damage on the Helios, I think, is much higher if you land all the shots as it eats directly through cabin hp.

Гугл переводчик: Если есть люди, которые думают, что они могут заставить Кларанет работать, больше власти для них. Однако я бы не стал вкладывать свое время или деньги в эту стратегию.

@@cardboardninja2429 да это специфический гейплей, они использовали это против ховеров.

Don't worry, we've all been there! (I actually still am there...) Just keep up the Dog life in CW - being disruptive to sensitive Hovers is actually more deadly to the enemy team than any weapon you bring to that task =D

i only use 2 and 1 borer a Great support Dps build Just stay back and beam em and win they roll up lil boar push

So 2 Synthesis and a Borer? How do you have the borer mounted and what wheels? This build feels like if you're on wheels it's going to be Omni's. The issue with the Synthesis is only that as far as one of the plasma projectors go it's behind the curve just a bit too much. Also, even though it's "special" tier, it still requires the rare module to function competitively.

Never apologize for being awesome =D

*squints* Yes or no? I mean it directly depends on what you pay for it. Is the Piercer a good gun? Definitely!

@@cardboardninja2429 which is more useful/ profitable : upgrading my Growl cabin or upgrading my weapons like m37 piercer?

​@@generalfranky9401 I'd say probably weapons, you'll more than likely win more matches, get more resources with upgraded weapons compared to upgraded cabin

Pfft what? The last one you mention is the King Mine Layer! That's not even a weapon that hovers use! But good to see you, pehenry! I actually remember seeing you way back in the day when you rocked a double executioner build on Hardened Tracks! Glad to see you're still at it =D

@@cardboardninja2429 I must have messed up the timestamp. Yup. That was me. 2X or 3X 88s are not viable anymore.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qdOPocSlvbSunIU.html@@cardboardninja2429

B-Tier description: Weapons that are effective, but at a limited powerscore. When brought out of that PS range they struggle. Taking the Firebug out of 13,000 PS (down) is where the weapon struggles, not up. =D

@@cardboardninja2429 ooooo sorry then jaja your right, i think you said opposite There imposible to use in lowered ps

I think that's because of having to lead the shots - if it were hit scan it could possibly make it to A tier!

Assuming that cost isn't an option, does this provide a greater benefit than just pure Jormenganders?

@@cardboardninja2429 jormengander plays more like the support weapon, like a flash. It’s there to heat up parts so you only need one Even if I could have as many jormenganders as I wanted I’d still use one with 2-3 nids

@@cardboardninja2429 using 3 nids and one jorm will bring you 7k+ on the damage ball

@@cardboardninja2429 each shot with 3nid one jorm will do from 1000-1200 on a heated part which is easy if you focus on there cab

@@cardboardninja2429 if you go for 3nid 1jorm use it with the hadron

Summator C tier - Yep. They're not a strong tap-fire weapon and are out performed by true shotguns. A niche weapon that CAN function but you have to play a negative-press weapon against an ocean of weapons that fire when the mouse button is pressed. Spike A tier - It deals something like 198 damage per spike and has a 1 pin radius projectile with high impulse and you can have 4 on a build. Stillwind B tier - I believe I updated my list, but this is now A tier now thanks to all the buffs it got combined with the introduction of the Catalina cabin Waltz C tier - I believe my explanation in the video covers this, but you have to lead your shots combined with a twisting projectile whose impulse increases on each rocket so landing multiple rockets has increasing difficulty. The weapon SLAPS, true (I mention this) but it is DAMN hard to land shots reliably when compared to other weapons of a similar type.

This was covered in my Tier List Update dropped 2 months after this list. Spoiler Alert: A-Tier

@@cardboardninja2429 aha thank you I'm new to the game so had no idea how new the weapon is

I suppose that's one way of looking at it! But it would really be difficult to argue the Claranet is the equal of any shotgun... =D

*squints*

There is no "best" build - it's more like... rock paper scissors =P Maybe I'll make a rock paper scissors video...

@@cardboardninja2429 there is always a best

@@cardboardninja2429 I heard shotgun wedge is best is that true

@@cardboardninja2429 cmon man tell me a top 3 build or something there gotta be a op meta buirl

@@cardboardninja2429 can you just tell me like a really good build that can be better than most builds

But they're great! =P

In general, Turrets aren't rated very high. This is because they can both be destroyed and avoided at the same time. There are several viable turret builds, but you always have to worry about placing turrets in such a way that it screws over your own team - This is because the turrets are indestructible to friendly fire but your allies can't just pass over them. Even recently I can't count the number of times I get my build stuck on some turret that got me killed!

Greetings Dawnbreaker! When making this tier list I assure you I was speaking from experience! I've been playing since 2019 and definitely have used Whirlwinds and Storms! Ironically I used the Whirlwinds first since the special tier was introduced later in the game! Alright, let's break down the AC-50 Storm: The base damage on the Storm is 15, and assuming you can find a line-of-sight at 300 meters it will do 20.4. As I said before it was the best of the long-range autocannons, though this video was made before the Stillwind buff and the introduction of the Catalina which shot the Stillwind to the #1 position, the AC-50 storm is still good due to its powerscore and hitbox. The problem is the Storm has a whopping 168 durability, making it VERY removable by cannons at any distance. One of the things I said in the video for the Whirlwind and I will say now for the Whirl is that there just is no range that this weapon excels - meaning that if you were to limit your combat to ONLY that zone there are weapons that outperform it. When you sit at 300m you face true sniper weapons or long range cannons - ALL of which can do 168 damage in 1 hit, meanwhile you're only doing a potential 30 back (per storm) What earns this weapon its tier is the question: Does it out perform the Median, Spike, Assembler, Astraeus, Prosecutor, Executioner, Tsunami, Typhoon, Scorpion, Toadfish, Heather, or Mandrake? Yes, I think it performs a little better than the Mandrake at 300m, but I would take any of those other weapons before the Storm. Let's talk Whirlwind: First it has just under 400 hitpoints at 391 - yours are likely fused for additional durability or its mass. This makes the Whirl removable in 1 "volley" from, once again, any dedicated long-range weapon. The base damage of the Whirlwind is 19 increasing by 30% over distance and at 300m it can do a respectable 36.1 damage per shot. Once again, at these distances, where the Whirlwind's perk is doing its utmost, it is up against weapons that deal over 5 times the damage per shot, meaning you would have to land 5 precise shots to the exact same spot on their build to equate one shot of theirs landing. The Whirlwind is heavy, coming in at 486kg, has an unfortunate hitbox making it difficult to armor, has extreme recoil preventing it from being viable on smaller faster builds, slow turret traverse speed, and a deceptively small blast radius. Worse than this is, there are multiple maps in Crossout where you can't get to the mythical 300m distance to produce real numbers, while every other sniper weapon that I mentioned always does full damage at any range. Ultimately while these weapons can be viable, they aren't high tier. It's a struggle bus session with any of them as builds get more and more tanky - especially with the addition of Grizzly. I haven't even gone over how bad these weapons are when you enter the mid-range against the hit-scan weapons that strip, or the close-range weapons that rip, or against fast moving targets that move faster than the rotation speed of the guns. I appreciate your comment, and if you disapprove of my rating, I understand. If you're going hard to the paint on Autocannons I wish you nothing but the best of luck, my friend!

@@cardboardninja2429 You know what? You're right. Ig I was the one who was just biased. See the storms were my first teal weapons in the game and I did do really well with them. I used two of them, especially on the bigger maps and raids. I feel like now that I am seeing the numbers, I wanna say that auto-canons may need a little buff. I did notice that at close quarters I was basically outgunned by a majority of weapons, if not all of them, but when I sit back and sniped, people with canons and other sniper weapons would quickly realize that they were losing the exchange of fire. This could be due to how I was firing them, and I am accurate even at 300 meters. However, I must point out that I was usually playing at 6k PS or lower, so maybe once you go past a certain threshold the storms become obsolete and maybe perhaps the whirlwinds just don't make up for the damage scaling from enemy weapons quality increasing due to PS rising. That being said, the storms do have their place, but they are very niche and until someone gets the hang of them they may find their selves struggling to perform adequately in combat. Love the videos btw, hope to see more soon!

​@@dawnbreakerii204 auto cannon feels good to use tho