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On the off chance one of the crew see this and still don't get what we mean: the original comment was talking about Richard and Seth's tendency to assume that playing any kind of disruptive effect - even extremely mild ones - will immediately make you archenemy. The most egregious example of this recently was of their evaluation of High Noon (the two mana rule of law that you can cash in later as removal) in the OTJ card review episode. The were talking about having to fight off 3 draw steps and 3 combat phases, ie the entire table dropping everything and leveraging all of their resources to spite you for the great crime of playing a rule of law. This line of reasoning is particularly common from Richard I feel, to the point that if I were to make a bingo card for a commander clash card review episode I would put "Richard saying some completely mediocre card is actually trash because 'it will cause everyone to gang up and stop you'" as one of the boxes.

@@manglemonster don't forget the what if they have the perfect counter for this card or strategy they both love that argument as well.

They will read this comment, still not get it and not open this thread to see the follow up explain the context. Then say maybe by next week the comment will make sense to them and move right along

Got em

He fried his brain on anime

You can remove Orb and Stasis way easier then you can punish ramp strategies

That's because he's good

Yeah, I do not understand any of his opinions. "Locking a player out of the game is not mean." ?????

Yeah Crim saying his goal is to ruin or "shut down" everyone's game hits it on the head

we need more crims and less whiney people who hate being interacted with.

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 crim is actually my favorite member of the crew. His philosophy mismatch always cracks me up though

Crim's style isnt a problem though, the problem is often players acting like they aren't playing hard core control, and low roll their deck power when they sit down and then everyone gets mad when they play things like Stasis and free counters. Crim is up front about what he's about. he doesn't lie about what he's gonna do. A lot players that want to be like Crim do so while not being honest about what they are doing

Or they could each do their top 3 to play

didn't Crim mention at some point that he has ~30 or so decks which are all variations of UBx..? that would be a looooong video :D

Yeah I’d love a breakdown of Richards birds

​@BingbongRecto definitely. I have always wondered what birds looked like now

I want to see all decks

What’s the especially maddening is how easy it is to counteract that argument as well. If this sort of stuff becomes baseline, like crime suggest, you can’t just focus all three people exclusively.

Thats not true, he thinks dockside is mean for letting people play the game.

That's an interesting thought of magic playtime. I don't get that many games in a week or month. Maybe 2-3 a week if I'm lucky.

He thinks Green cards are mean

magic isnt solitaire - the interaction between decks is what makes the game fun. Having one person power their way to such a commanding board state that there's no real way to interact with it isnt fun for other people either. A lot of the stuff that people call mean is necessary so that other's can play the game too. And from the caster's perspective, it's not "can i play card" it's "can i play X card while people are trying to stop me from doing so" that's the actual game.

​@@shonmatthewhe thinks dockside is mean because the card is too good and he thinks it should be banned. What are you even on about lmao

either that persons deck is too strong for your table or it is fine. "mistakes" are relvative to competitive play.

@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 i dont disagree that its too powerful for our table, your statement isnt a rebuttal but supporting my argument because i'm saying that "free cards" cards that subvert the basic resource managment balance of the game are a problem. it's literally the same problem colorless artifacts have had historically and why most good artifacts these days are now colored, because Design afer several stumbles realized that subverting the resource restrictions of color and cost breaks the game balance

Thanks :)

Blood Moon isn't even mean. Commander players often confuse things being FAIR for things being mean. As someone who is the greediest person alive and always doubles down in games, I also believe that if you get greedy and get punished, you deserved it. PSA to everyone - Play more basics. 10 minimum.

I plan to add Blood Moon to my Ojer Axonil deck - all basics plus a myriad landscape. The deck can already win on turn 6 easily though so idk if blood moon is even necessary except as a backup.

@@nickel-bolas951blood moon is definitely a mean card. Quite literally a prison piece like winter moon, contamination or back to basics is.

​@@yoyoguy1st no card is mean. its a card.

Neither of those are mean. Punishing, yes. Neither are unlikely to entirely shut down one person while leaving other players unaffected, and presumably you have built your deck to function with them on the board, so they just get you ahead like thousands of other cards will.

Honestly in Zevlor this does sound kinda hilarious if it has a singular target.

Ok but depending how expensive the card is that is pretty funny. If someone dropped an uncard on me like that I'd laugh my ass off

@@zweis You sir are a man of culture. Welcome aboard.

The card needs to have a better split second where people are not allowed to concede in reaction or after the card to be mean.

Crim’s act is so tired. I can’t believe they let him stick around. He adds nothing to the conversation.

Sheoldred's Edict is the counter-exemple, but I did sacrifice 5 treasures to Phyrexian Obliterator once

Annihilator, I agree. But regarding Edicts in general, I'd say it's opposite now that we have Ward on everything. My Crackling Doom is more consistent against things like Voja Tivit or Miirym than any spot removal could

@@TheSmartCinema The only thing ward did was making me put more board wipes on my deck

I played my colorless deck last night, and people played as though they were scared of the Titans. I finally landed and attacked with a Titan (thanks to haste from boots). The Titan died before my next turn, and the player I attacked with annihilator went on to win 3 turns later.

It's also WAAAY stronger than people realize.. people act like it's bad compared to the rest but what they don't look at is the CMC differences. He gets to do a lot at a relatively low cost, you also get to influence how combat works way better than people realize. Firkraag for example loves Urabrask since it means flying answers become your pawns and due to being goaded they can't block you on later turns either.

He also is just a value enabler for whatever strategy he's a part of, versus the others which are mostly hyper-pushed goodstuff. Urabrask kills people. The other 4 just get people killed.

@@nykthosacolyte5710 White has several cards for 1 or 2 mana that make your opponent's creatures enter tapped. Paying 5 mana for Urabrask isn't great

@@laytonjr6601 that's white though, white doesn't have haste as a normal thing. The two together is what makes him great.

That’s actually a pretty good way to do it. Unfortunately it probably won’t work with the deck I run it. In oketra she makes a token on each creature cast and then when the actual creature etb’s. So they aren’t uniform. I have definitely thought about cutting the card because it’s a mess.

thats right, no Oubliette on Rakdos please 🙏 gotta hold that Feed the Swarm till I get hit with it.

No it's fine how it is. It is in a few of my decks... Like Teeg or Maja XD Also if you remove the may you just target an indestructible one you have.

@nykthosacolyte5710 if you include an indestructible artifact in your deck to build around your aura shards, that sounds like fair game to me. But when it's alone on the battlefield, I feel like it should've destroyed itself

@@michaelcollins4534 moreso the fun toys already available stuffy doll, mithril coat, the one ring, etc

He’s right too much crying from you guys

You should. Don’t feel bad for playing good cards!

I started playing too nice now I'm getting curbstomped

I run a mono-blue Aura deck and I give zero fs about how cruel it can be.

@@chickenwyngs3646 Big same. I came back to the game, and after reading a number of reddit threads and hearing a bunch of videos talk about how careful you need to be to preserve others fun..... I got curbstomped several games in a row, after my deck accomplished almost literally nothing. No, I think I'll be the jerk for a little while. Hold this arcum daggsun.

Richard Garfield added Sol Ring, Moxes, Lotus and Dark Ritual into the first several editions of the game. I think he was fine with fast mana.

It's not unreasonable... It's arbitrary. He has decided that the game is a Bible and Richard Garfield is God so Crim's only requirement is that it must be spoken by Richard Garfield. That is no different than saying "I consider mean all cards that start with an S", you just picked an arbitrary quality.

@@zotha Garfield's intentions for what is fair game, or what should be an obstacle, and ability to actually balance the game aren't necessarily the same thing. In other words sol ring was off the mark for general balance but artifact ramp isn't itself a problem. Instead it's about what is fair in the game. Are lands, hands, etc...meant to be as valid of targets as creatures and artifacts? Many EDH players don't agree, and that has consequences. Beyond just what is fair game, what is a fair obstacle to expect? Really dockside in cEDH is arguably better than Sol Ring, and really isn't really any worse in casual as often is claimed. Sure you'll have to wait a few more turns to get game ending mana from it, but in casual the other decks aren't threatening you in those turns. The biggest thing is when dockside's trigger resolves you get to not only break the innate pace of development, but the mana requirements of the color wheel in general. Fetch lands already have massively reduced this aspect of the game, but treasure tokens completely trivialize it. That's really where the magic as Richard Garfield intended jumps from being just a meme to having some truth to it.

@@pascalsimioli6777”but how can THIS card be mean when people RAMP!!! People ramp and draw cards in commander! Can you believe them?!?! I need to play a deck full of cards that make sure the game lasts for 3 hours! It is the only good way to play magic” I honestly find his take on cards and this format nauseating.

I've had 5+ of my turns taken by a Kethis, the Hidden Hand deck, basically an a+b 😂

Tbf 9 out of 10 times the game is over if Daretti gets to his ult, one way or another.

Yeah, that's true, although if you manage to ultimate a planeswalker (especially without something like Doubling Season) you probably deserve to win.

@@MTGGoldfish my Deretti deck frequently gets it ultimate.

With the amount of removal and creatures decks have nowadays no pw lives long enough to ult

It's even quicker, just flash me your hand and I'll find the threat. Checking graveyards for Living Death and resolving it can take a while

Pharika's libation is basically the only other enchantment removal in black, but won't hit the target you want if it's against an enchantment deck.

I thought the answer was just a clone

nah fr, i genuinely can't tell if he's just being a massive troll or if he actually is incapable of having feelings kekw

He woke up 2 hrs early to orient his jacket pins instead of reading up on empathy lol

​​@@bppppppppppp Crim is my favorite. He is 100% trolling AND incapable of feelings

ngl the more i play edh the more my "cards that i think are mean" become "cards i think are good" i still don't run notion thief or opp agent, but blood moon? hell yea ive never thought twice about including aura shards or grave pact edicts

​@@sunflowertheogblood moon is 100 percent mean youre shutting half of the decks in the format out

And even then only accelerating you fast if other people did too

He's kinda right though 💀💀

​@@zweisno he's not dockside is just a ritual that scales depending on the table thats not mean. As crim would say its just part of the game

I kinda agree. I have more fun fighting against stax pieces than someone with a bunch of resources.

@@hyperonmonster I have the wholly opposite view. I find it much more fun for someone to pop off with big plays than to be stax'd to the point of being unable to play. Dockside into a big play that wins the game or meaningfully advances the game is a lot more fun to me than being given Pyromancer's Swath and playing top deck simulator until I eventually die.

Saw In Half

​@@highlander7462saw in half is fantastic

Cathar crusade is more annoying for maintain teh dice. But starlight is a pain for math.

@@Jrizzle7426 Saw in half is the dream card for commanders that reanimate themselves. 2 ETBs, 2 death trigger, and infinite of those as long as you have the ressources to reanimate

​@laytonjr6601 I run in chatterfang. It's insane with any of the druids.

Yeah, I just want it printed on actual instants and sorceries.

Honestly, I would much rather have 5 mana drains equivalents than one Fierce Guardianship. One for ones are inherent card disadvantage in commander, so benefitting off of doing so is actually not so awful. It is overtuned, but free counterspells are a genuine mistake in the format, cause you can’t play around them.

Carpet of Flowers, if we're accepting 1 drops

As a sram player, I made the same switch a long time ago. No regrets!

That’s really funny actually

Don't forget the green

@@jaredwright1655 That and of course darksteel mutation to cover white