Ford Focus ST Dragparison: Manual v auto, drag race, 1/4 mile, sound check & brake test!

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Ford Focus ST Dragparison: Manual v auto, drag race, 1/4 mile, sound check & brake test!

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CarExpert

Күн бұрын

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@saalikkhan7671 4 жыл бұрын

Carexpert, doing things nobody asked for but everyone waited for..,

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

😅😅 thanks mate!

@thefasterdriver626 4 жыл бұрын

@@CarExpertAus I love this. You test in comfort/normal and sport and Race mode and thats what we whant to see. Do more. I have seen you review cars on other channels and I love to watch you becouse you are so good at It But when there comes a video without you its not fun and not interesting to watch. So I love this channel. Good work (:

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

@@thefasterdriver626 Thank you!

@thefasterdriver626 4 жыл бұрын

@@CarExpertAusNever stop doing this. Love the videos

@chuyperez7835 4 жыл бұрын

I can’t believe that in America we won’t get these ST’s

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

😭

@JoshCarterWeb 4 жыл бұрын

Neither did you get the MK2 ST & RS. Sad times

@perfectlybalanced8995 4 жыл бұрын

Joshua Carter Well we got the Volvo C30 R Design which had the same chassis and Engine as the MK2 Focus ST

@yangkie121 4 жыл бұрын

I'm just gonna sit here and cry😭😭😭 damn it!!!

@planetdirge4452 4 жыл бұрын

Same I own a mk3 ST and the MK4 looking clean asf too bad we don’t get it

@richieduck67 4 жыл бұрын

Couldn"t focus whilst I was playing Golf.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha, you're good! 😅

@slimdenace8180 4 жыл бұрын

I bet you're playing golf at Ibiza with Megane ?

@HaultRxst 4 жыл бұрын

I'm loving these reviews. My Fav hatches are 1. Mercedes A45 2. Ford Focus RS 3. Audi rs3 4. Golf R 5. Civic type R

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hault - we'll see if we can line some of those up in the future!

@HaultRxst 4 жыл бұрын

@@CarExpertAus keep up the amazing reviews 👌

@TheTranfan 4 жыл бұрын

You forgot the M140i

@howtoplay4794 4 жыл бұрын

Mine is volvo c30 ^^

@BLK_GOD 4 жыл бұрын

And u dont own a single one lol.

@charlied8456 4 жыл бұрын

I can see this channel getting big. Keep up the hard work guys, you'll be at 100k in no time

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, @Charlie, appreciate it!

@stevendufour 2 жыл бұрын

This reaction aged well. :)

@TheOptionalKind Жыл бұрын

oh how old this has gotten.

@chaddumont7564 4 жыл бұрын

I expect this quality of video to come out of a YT channel with millions of subs. Keep this up and you'll get there easily 👍

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks @Chad, we appreciate it!

@FalconXE302 4 жыл бұрын

I've just placed a deposit on a Manual Orange Fury... can't wait... :-)

@mills3375 4 жыл бұрын

Would love to have one however I really purchased a new car so can’t afford one right now. Would love to own one in the future since I used to own a St170 and they’re one of the most underrated hot hatches out there

@STEVEBHPDEVON 4 жыл бұрын

I've drove the new focus st very impressive nearly bough 1, but then decided to get the mountune m400r kit for my mk3 rs it a rocket ship cheers Steve 😀👍

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Congrats!! Enjoy the new car :-D

@liamlawman7683 4 жыл бұрын

@Bailey Buchanan for real

@BLK_GOD 4 жыл бұрын

Whats a fury dude

@STEVEBHPDEVON 4 жыл бұрын

I was impressed with how the auto did really like the new focus st cheers steve👍😀

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve!

@peace4myheart 4 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest, Paul. This is more for you than it is the rest of us. Just look at that big old smile on your face whenever you put your foot down on the gas. Jajaja

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

😅 Thank you!

@bbb12345 4 жыл бұрын

What kills the 0-100 in manual is shifting to 3rd gear. I think a longer 2nd would allow it to hit 100kmh in 5.5-5.8

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Very true!

@nicufratila9473 4 жыл бұрын

Thats for pay more for an auto if u want to be quick,this is marketing

@Cain353 4 жыл бұрын

@@nicufratila9473 Except Ford quotes the Auto to be slower...

@nicufratila9473 4 жыл бұрын

@@Cain353 because its an auto with converter not dual clutch

@neovenom9833 4 жыл бұрын

it's a double edged knife. Longer 2nd gear may be problematic in medium speed corners. I have the same issue with my Fiesta ST200. BUt it helps in medium speed corners because you are at maximum boost when pushing out of it.

@martinarteaga1708 4 жыл бұрын

Was it me or did it sound like he was saying “rice mode” 😂😂😂

@chriskamzol318 4 жыл бұрын

This guy posts about times to skip to in the video for people that don't want to wait.. this channel is going places! Thumbs Up

@riversonthemoon 4 жыл бұрын

Did you just coin the term dragparison? Nice. If you’re taking requests, try to get the new JCW Clubman vs any similar competitor. Possibly the Golf R. And could you do quarter mile and half mile times? I think for the more powerful cars you want to see which one has the legs over a longer distance. It would be another point of differentiation for your channel, which already has a few.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Ha ha, I think we did! Hopefully nobody steals it ;-) thanks for those recommendations! We don't have enough room at the drag strip for anything more than 402m (well, not safely anyway), we need to find ourselves an airport!

@jota_coelho 4 жыл бұрын

Really impressed with the quality and thoroughness of this comparison! Awesome work. Cheers from 🇧🇷

@MatteoLorandi 4 жыл бұрын

9:38 IMO shifting into third at about 96 km/h actually increases the time, maybe just a little but it does

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

It turns out that it didn’t make a difference. As the car approaches the soft limiter it tapers off throttle. The car is also beyond its peak torque and power band.

@Mk1Male 4 жыл бұрын

@@CarExpertAus Did you try changing up slightly earlier then when it would still be in peak torque band? Power band at this point wouldn't matter.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

@@Mk1Male Yep, we tried a number of different variations of the formula :-D

@zackmandarino1021 4 жыл бұрын

@@CarExpertAus true I own a 2013 and shifting at 5500 gets you the best acceleration got 6.2 on my 2013 but those had an open diff 20 less hp and 40 less lbft of torque so im going to guess have a limited slip diff plus little more power you could get 5.6-5.8 from an experienced driver cause the 2013s are rated 5.9-6.2

@joytech23 4 жыл бұрын

I really like how comprehensive the tests were for testing performance, really good keep it up!

@crxmad2killu 4 жыл бұрын

Very sad this gen of st isnt available in America i have a 2017 and i love it

@DILLYBAR31869 4 жыл бұрын

Apparently all we care about is the f150 and crossovers. I have just a plane jane focus and I love the darn thing.

@crocketgsxr6 3 жыл бұрын

yeah the whole DCT failure killed it for us

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

Let's all do our part - Write or Call Ford US Customer Relationship Center and tell them their customers in America want to buy the new Focus ST - maybe we can convince them it's a profitable choice for them to bring it to the US

@valentijnverheije7140 4 жыл бұрын

I love this channel! You can see the passion and hard work in every frame

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! We appreciate it :-D

@Jed_Rudman 4 жыл бұрын

Wow. Such an under rated channel. Far better video quality than a lot of large automotive channels. I really enjoyed the drag-race as well. Ford did well with this car!

@boppzoli 4 жыл бұрын

You just realised that it does 100 km/h in 2nd gear and than you decided to change into 3rd gear at 96-97 km/h ... WHY????????

@AVC-Works 4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same Hahahaha...

@jashugg 3 жыл бұрын

Two points to consider. The digital speedo display rises in steps rather than continuously so for much of the time it is understating the actual speed. Also, at the top end of the rev band torque falls away faster than revs rise so the car loses power. As the chap says, snatching the up shift before hitting the point where power starts to fall away might be quicker.

@1Steph 4 жыл бұрын

I mean... I still want the manual anyday! ST as a daily RS for track RS4 if I want to show off

@JP-uk9uc 4 жыл бұрын

I've got a 2016 ST and can't stand what they did with the new design. Looks like a Honda and not a hot hatch. Exhaust on the automatic is bland as the 2016.

@nickk4304 4 жыл бұрын

the quality of the video is amazing i thought this was a channel with atleast 100K subs, you're amazing i tell you. can't wait for a new video!

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe one day! Thanks for watching :-)

@valiantdiesel1332 4 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the sort of video I've been looking for

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Great to hear, Morgan!

@stuartbeer1418 4 жыл бұрын

Great review. Just need to add in an in gear acceleration test for the full Mat Watson experience

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Stuart! Unfortunately we don't have enough room at the drag strip for this kind of thing, but will look at working on a new location!

@kevinwolf9849 4 жыл бұрын

Wow the Focus looks beautiful! I’m sad that they took the focus out of America :(

@juandutoit8964 4 жыл бұрын

Here in sa the same not the focus of fiesta is coming here,only st line kuga.

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

@andyjamerson1639 4 жыл бұрын

I am suprised that it looks exactly like my ST-line. Thought it might has some more sportish elements. Still very happy with my ST-line 2018. Solid car 😊

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

True!

@DasAlienYota 4 жыл бұрын

I have a rs mk 2 still the best build from all

@mie- 2 жыл бұрын

exactly the same, except few badges and the motor haha 😆

@mc82 4 жыл бұрын

The difference in ratios between the auto's gears seem far too large. I realise you're now done with the cars, but it would've been good to have the gauge view with some paddle shifting up and down on the auto. The gauge cam view for the drags is really nice to have! Thanks guys.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, MC. We'll keep that in mind for next time!

@friankiel5267 4 жыл бұрын

yea the gear ratios now days are designed with economy in mind so it is annoying yea. the ratios now days are not as enjoyable to drive as the older gearboxes. The 7 speed gearbox I very likely has 3 of it's gears tuned towards highway cruising.

@theultrasound1394 4 жыл бұрын

I like that detailed comparisons, haven't seen that anywhere else before, very interesting. I'm going for automatic because I like the blue color. Hello from Vienna, Austria

@Doubledeepfried 4 жыл бұрын

Just press the gas and wait till the car does it all.. real sporty feeling. Manual always

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

Manual for life!

@BulliKid 4 жыл бұрын

Those fords are much nicer then previous us version

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

@tmolson4615 4 жыл бұрын

I’m still not over the fact Ford killed American market hatchbacks. You KNOW people would buy the RS and ST focus trims. I get it but leaving just the Mustang was NOT the move.

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

@peugeotfan8634 4 жыл бұрын

Finally someone did it in professional test about difference MT vs AT :) Thanks!

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

😁

@peugeotfan8634 4 жыл бұрын

@@CarExpertAus Now Im pretty sure that my next car will be Focus ST with AT :) and AT is not slower than MT like other people say.

@wilson2455 4 жыл бұрын

just drove a Focus ST (auto) as a loan car. Having a round knob as your gear selector is stupid & ridiculous !!

@mie- 2 жыл бұрын

@@wilson2455 bro, that gear selector is awesome, come on.

@greatsidders 4 жыл бұрын

Well done as always Paul. Bring on the utes for a similar comparison.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, @sid! Hah, you mean a comparison at the drag strip? That would be good fun!

@greatsidders 4 жыл бұрын

CarExpert sure will be

@jeromekelly6803 7 ай бұрын

I own a 4.5 ST auto and got 13.8 just with cold air intake and catback exhaust Good cars

@aadriohno 4 жыл бұрын

quality content mate! strongly supporting you. This kind of content had ben led by European and American reviewers so its great to see an Australian doing it :)

@GyroPyro121212 2 жыл бұрын

With front tires aired down to low 20s psi and perfect track prep I think the manual ST will have no problem running 5.5-5.6 seconds 0-100 kmh and 13.8 through the 1/4 mile.

@mo0rd 3 жыл бұрын

This video made my mind up about getting an auto Focus ST. Such a fun car and can be used as a daily too

@thebigbadbenny 4 жыл бұрын

Love your work! Keep the content coming 👍

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do! 😄

@AntoineFRS 4 жыл бұрын

That was a very interesting comparison ! Maybe with a rolling start acceleration it would be even better (like carwow). Hyundai i30N vs Focus ST or vs Peugeot 308 GTI would be fun.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Great point! We will try and do a rolling race next time :-D

@marekmach3896 2 жыл бұрын

Focus manual is faster than I30N. Check 'Ukaž káru' chanel

@hairyviking6047 2 жыл бұрын

What is amazing is that the manual-only Fiesta makes the same times as the Focus with an essential shift to third.

@tzanis5874 4 жыл бұрын

x0.5 speed at the "verdict" segment in the video is surprisingly good.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

😅 Do I talk too fast?

@DerThorge 3 жыл бұрын

Can someone explain me why manual has a "better" Sound than the automatic?

@vdubster_mk7181 4 жыл бұрын

What tyres was the GTI running on? Wondering if that was a major contributing factor to the drag and brake comparison.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Hey @VDubster_Mk7. This from my colleague James below: "Hi D, my Golf has 225/40 R18 Bridgestone Potenza S001 tyres, and they're about 11,000km old."

@pastorofmuppets8834 4 жыл бұрын

People hate the S001 on Megane IV RS. I wonder also if changing would make a major difference.

@fedjadrndarski5606 4 жыл бұрын

Potenza is pretty hart tyres compared to Michelin. They need to be warm enough for better performance.

@dterrence 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Paul and because of this video decided to go for an ST performance blue. Sorry Golf!

@danilorodriguez4665 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, great format

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching :-)

@bangyahead1 4 жыл бұрын

One problem I see is you arent getting first gear anywhere near its maximum torque or HP bands, which means youre shifting into second way too early.

@alexmoskvich2567 4 жыл бұрын

Incredible braking performance by the Focus ST in your video o_O! It is even 0,2 m earlier (and 0,1s quicker) in standstill than the AMG A45s with it's monster brakes. WTF

@CherryGS 4 жыл бұрын

the thing is: even the 'civilian' Focus with smaller brakes gets similar results. They can be overheated quicker under heavy use, but the 100-0 on any MK4 Focus is impressive

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Very true!

@JazzysTrove 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent comparison guys and love the format and chanel! So glad that you started it. I've added CarExpert on my go to list of car reviews on yt alongside Carwow, Autogefühl, Straight Pipes and Doug DeMuro. In the future maybe you can do the focus ST manual vs I30n manual. I was seconds away to buy the manual st but I saw that the i30n face-lift is around the corner and I'll wait a little bit more. Keep it up! See you soon on 1 million subs! 😁

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Hey @Jazztastic: Thank you - we really appreciate and love having regular viewers!

@martinriesco_ 4 жыл бұрын

Great vid!

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, @Martin!

@sfm_x 4 жыл бұрын

We need more Dragparisons

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure! We have more in the pipeline :-D

@fallofmanbrand 4 жыл бұрын

Loved It!

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Weston!

@HForceClan 4 жыл бұрын

Really nice comparison, only two things I wish you addressed. You got 6.4s shifting to 3rd at 98km/h on the dash, so unless it actually already drove 100 there, it would be faster to stay in 2nd? You also used the Focus a lot so if it has race brakes they would be warmed up so breakes were tested under different conditions?

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

If you get the chance, watch the rest of the video with the manual. We did a 0-100 run without shifting to third as well. There was a filming break before we did the brake test so both cars were at similar temperatures.

@simonloi6929 Жыл бұрын

One hell of a beautiful performance car, sound like the M340i

@jaromor8808 4 жыл бұрын

i love this channel :) one does not need to be a prophet to foresee that there shall be a massive rise in sub numbers

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks @Jaroslav, appreciate it!

@darkhat5854 Ай бұрын

Sehr geiles Review!

@Audios81 2 жыл бұрын

Great review Paul!! As always and the prices of these things are so affordable.....just curious, would you take a Polo GTi full loaded or a new Focus ST manual? I'm stuck between the two!

@xr6tgtx737 4 жыл бұрын

Your shifts are pretty clean mate, It needs more tyre though 😎 I was pretty suprised with how close the Kmh were, then realised you can flat shift so no boost loss 🤘

@davidgriggs3967 3 жыл бұрын

More tyre width just breaks shit , it needs boost by gear.

@efetasgin7997 4 жыл бұрын

Your’e channel is realyy good man i hope you get more fame soon

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! We hope so too :-D

@FistMcSlablift 4 жыл бұрын

An automatic ST? What an embarrassment.

@gbajien 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Mazda 3 MPS and this is what I want to have next! So awesome, it’s got the similar 2.3L engine block that was Ford’s development when they owned Mazda back then... It’s a pity Ford Malaysia will not be selling this Focus ST here 🥲🥲

@yahyandebele175 4 жыл бұрын

Have to be honest, really enjoy the concept of this video and the approach you guys took... it's actually the kind of things we'd like to know and see when reviewing cars... especially the acceleration comparison... I mean robot(traffic light, in South Africa we say robot) any way robot to robot racing, there's no time to put the car in launch made... so a big thumbs up from me and a subscribe too... good stuff

@egidijusdovidavicius5595 4 жыл бұрын

Try with Golf GTI TCR.

@leelarkins1321 4 жыл бұрын

The automatic ST isn’t available in the USA is it?

@GunslingerLv 4 жыл бұрын

Do people in USA even know how to drive manual?

@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын

@@GunslingerLv I deserves a DCT

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

@@GunslingerLv I do!

@jahilkhalfe 4 жыл бұрын

My 14-year-old manual ST225 will put both these modern hot hatches on ice.

@terryg1575 4 жыл бұрын

Another ripper review.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Terry!

@Jabber-ig3iw 4 жыл бұрын

Dragparison will attract a whole new demographic to your channel.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate!

@johnwhite2143 3 жыл бұрын

These new focus st look nice from the back and sound awesome especially the manual one but not sure about the front headlights look, prefered the last 2017 front headlights but would still get a manual new one in orange fury great colour, plenty quick for uk roads too 👌👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

@TheCortassa 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, love comparisons like this

@motor9604 4 жыл бұрын

Good job

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul! We will keep them coming. Any car requests for us?

@TheCortassa 4 жыл бұрын

CarExpert Would love to see a Polo GTI vs Fiesta St shootout

@mga71 4 жыл бұрын

Good review I liked it, subscribing!! Maybe a Hyundai I30N comparison with the Focus ST?

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yep when the updated i30 comes we will get on to that 😁

@mga71 4 жыл бұрын

@@CarExpertAus Yes I am hanging to see the DCT version of the I30, rumor also says there is at some point an AWD version coming too.

@boppzoli 4 жыл бұрын

So the Focus ST Manual 1/4 mile time is better than the Golf GTI Performance's ???

@MrLipynho 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, great channel 👍

@MalcomHeavy 4 жыл бұрын

Hey look. A car we are never going to get in America ever again.

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

😪

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

@alexanderhigh3834 4 жыл бұрын

You look like an Aussie Seth MacFarlane XD

@danielpsarras2534 2 жыл бұрын

Why does the manual have the pops and Crackle and not the auto one

@PA_Leon 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice video thanks!!

@DomUrbain 4 жыл бұрын

It's really sad that Ford is not building this new ST for american market :( , The 2013 to 2018 ST is really popular over here and most of the people that had MazdaSpeed's are switching for Focus ST. But now that the 2019+ is not available here in america we do still have the Golf GTI at least . But the new ST here would have been awesome !

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

@dudndadn12212 3 жыл бұрын

These would sell like hot cakes in the US, I see the ST's everywhere I go.

@dragospahontu 3 жыл бұрын

I deserves a DCT

@danielleroux6490 3 жыл бұрын

@Ghost44681 3 жыл бұрын

Im looking at these at the moment want to know which one to get a manual or automatic 🤔

@alexostafi2555 4 жыл бұрын

Ford always ahead of Vw! 😁👍🏻

@eyecontrol4900 2 жыл бұрын

its a shame Ford Aus announced just yesterday they would be killing off the Focus and Fiesta ST for the Aus car market.

@VworksArt 4 жыл бұрын

I need to move over there...

@gincatgoogle6213 3 жыл бұрын

80-120 split times are a big measure of performance. Any chance?

@christopherstreet2214 4 жыл бұрын

I thought STs were AWD with torque vectoring ... what model is that then ?

@EugVR6 4 жыл бұрын

The Auto changes up at 6k, the manual was being taken to 7k.

@1MrBryn 4 жыл бұрын

Really enjoying these tests. Of love to see you do one with the cheap(er) EV's on the Oz market.

@philhill7973 4 жыл бұрын

Unbelievable that the auto Focus’s performance is so good .

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

It's pretty quick! It's just such a shame it sounds so different to the manual.

@hlabiroa5688 2 жыл бұрын

I still don't understand why they are not available in South Africa.

@kensouza9239 4 жыл бұрын

Poor GTI :( I think it’s the slowest in the segment now 😬

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Also one of the oldest :-D will be replaced with a new one shortly.

@Katroha 4 жыл бұрын

Ahaha are you joking? The previous generation of Ford was always behind gti. As well as Megan rs and all competitors

@jimjamthebananaman1 4 жыл бұрын

GTI has so many different variations: standard, performance package, TCR, Clubsport, Clubsport S

@jimjamthebananaman1 4 жыл бұрын

And the standard GTI tyres are so poor

@pastorofmuppets8834 4 жыл бұрын

@@Katroha not sure which ones you're talking about... Megane III was superior in every way.

@James-xs9mn 4 жыл бұрын

Disappointed that the auto doesn't crackle pop like the manual com'on Ford you shouldn't be favouring one over the other, hopefully this can be sorted out in an update, regardless I'm still keen I've always wanted a good automatic ST and this seems to fit the bill! 😊 Also others have gotten 5.7 for the auto and 6.1 for the manual, curious difference🤔

@CarExpertAus 4 жыл бұрын

Agree James - would be nice to see a little more noise from the automatic!

@Eugen-E 4 жыл бұрын

Do you have the 1ft rollout function set to ON or OFF, on Racelogic ?

@adegreen2731 4 жыл бұрын

Most modern Autos seem to be quicker than manuals now. Purchased a Mini F56 JCW auto recently. Was all set on manual for the fun factor. However, theres just no way you can change gear as quick as the auto in sport with perfect timed changes. Think in the case of the mini manual was about 6.3 to 100kph (or 62mph) vs auto that takes it down to sub 6 seconds. That's basically half a second quicker!