Most of us don't even have the skills to exploit even "normal" cars like hot hatches yet coz it's the trend we aspire to have super/ hyper cars just for novelty which is honestly pointless!.such vehicles as the Toyota GR86 make alot of sense!.

Yeah 💯

no it’s slow so not perfect

​@chileshemubanga3594 you are going to bruise a lot of car enthusiast egos with this comment but its true. In Europe where speed limits are so stern,why do you need a 500hp sports car as a daily driver or nothing, for?

For the price, it is perfect. So is the BRZ.

Any issues?

@@DB-sd3cw none at all. Sitting at 17k with a lot of spirited driving miles

Did you own the GT86?

@@Valen-mh9fh I did not

@@ianlerma8110 thanks Ian

thats what its all about bro! Congrats! i just drove one for a few minutes for the first time! And i was very impressed

My drill has more torque...

Drills aren’t as fun to drive 😅

@@stevef3521exactly lol

Entry level fun is what this car design is about. Rwd drive for beginners, with great cornering capabilities as result of great weight distribution and driving cars which communicate.

Drills are for boring holes.

Much appreciated!

Yet he get's the engine facts wrong.

@@r3games1985 shut up

52 yr old and 100% agree. Younger generation never had to experience low power of 70’s & 80’s cars. Same weight as my 88 Fiero & power of 88 Mustang GT.

I know I'm late here, but I think it's interesting to know that the 2024 Toyota GR86 has the same 0-60 time as a 2001 Mustang GT. A V8 muscle car. The 86 isn't really slow it's just that new muscle cars today have insane power.

Thank you!

@@CARmagazineTV someone give that guy/girl a pay rise best bit of film I've seen in ages

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Great to hear!

I agree a bit of a learning curve some mis shifts here and there but once you get the muscle memory down pat with clutch and shifter man what a blast

Thank you!

Glad you like them!

That would be something for sure

The problem is Subaru and their co platform. If Toyota outright owned this car I’m sure it would.

Dyno results show us that the car has about 240-250 crank hp which is more than enough imo, if you want more headers and a tune with a better air filter should bring about 20hp more, in stock form its a bit faster than the new golf 8 gti, it’s one hell of a car for 30k

It would completely change the way the car handles due to the center of gravity being moved up

@@brandonkaufmann6831 whilst the height of the engine is increased the effect on handling is not great, perhaps even an improvement due to the significant loss in fat. Gazoo Racing has run this engine swap too.

Have you driven them both?

I owned an ND1, have driven an ND2, and have a gr86. The Miata is the superior driving experience for sure. That said, the gr86 is exceptionally good, and with the added practicality, I’ll take a slight hit on responsiveness and gearbox quality. I’m very happy with my choice

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Get a vasectomy if you really want that to be your forever car lol

maybe he was rounding down instead of up. :P

Congrats and enjoy it!

Thank you!

Available at Toyota parts for all 22/23 premiums

I believe that’s a US only edition. In the UK they are retro fit parts

​​​@@TheScottishDadtrueno gr86 is us edition only, yes. I do hope/believe/think that the performance package will be world wide available.

Enjoy!

@@CARmagazineTV I will, if she ever gets out of the driver's seat and doesn't hide the keys...lol

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Thanks!

Si is too big heavy and FWD. It isn't anything like BRZ/GR86. Maybe a better daily driver with kids and hauling lots of sports stuff for kids.

@zinny999 as you age your priorities adjust & there are smart compromises you make so your family is comfortable and you still get am entertaining car when you are not rich enough to have 2-3 cars in the home. The BRZ/GR86 fails miserably at meeting that grown man need for an all-in-1 daily and spirited driver's car, but that's where the 11th Gen Si excels at and the design pulls it off even nicer. If you are rich, have sorted the wife with her SUV/Minivan for school runs and shopping and you want a fun car that mainly only you can enjoy, then THE GR86/BRZ might be thr answer then.

@@1anre if you were rich why would you get a slow gr86, when you can get a gt4 which is essentially a similar experience but much faster. except the gt4 would be mid engine instead of FR

@@1anreBuy a first generation and service it yourself. Civic SI’s are nice, but with the markup you can get the Accord 2.0T, same engine in the type-r for the same price. It’ll have to be used as they don’t offer the 2.0t starting in 2023 I believe.

@stevef3521 don't preach to the choir. Don't need or want a 1st gen. Picked an 11th gen and dealer markups are overflogged, if you want a car and the number works for you get the car. Don't see this new trend of folks hiding behind the dealer markup excuse to not get a car when frankly they have other real reasons behind not getting one.

Lotus could no longer sell the Elise due to emission regulations

@@GaijinDT They could have redesigned the engine and pass if they wanted to.

@@varmastiko2908 It's too expensive to make an engine that can pass the UE regulations. The GR86 will also soon go off the market in Europe for the same reason.

Stockholm Syndrome?

@@CARmagazineTV hey its your opinion np, it's just a goofy one is all :D its a good interior.

I agree. He is over critical of the interior. The seats on the premium are great and most of the area the body comes in contact with has either suede or leather. The buttons are nicely positioned and the infotainment display unit is nice and easy to navigate. Toyota designed a very nice cabin.

Danke!

Thank you!

Glad you enjoyed

do you mean 2013?

@@peejayem4700 thanks! Typo

Hello from the u.s got 10th anniversary edition few weeks ago after many years of vw gtis and I mean many! Haha .. and just love this gr 86 ! Simple light weight sports car! reminds me of my 1980s Honda preludes I got brand new back in the day .. I’m old haha

@@brianreardon7700are they still going for over msrp? I recently got a ‘13 FR-S and love it so much I already want to get a GR86.

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MF ghost? Granted, that one's about the first gen car, but will make both versions more popular.

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Glad you enjoyed it!

Beware!!!!

I'm the same height I confirm I fit. The seat isn't even all the way back but I had to pull the wheel up forward. And it could go more further up tbh. I got used to it but when I got it I remember wanting an aftermarket steering wheel hub to pull it up like an inch or two still might but it's not terrible

@@quaaluddite thank you 👍

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Well thats not the point of the GR. Its hard to understand Î know x)

Since launch two high profile RTV cases have been confirmed. Cmon dude thats literally nothing.

Got my 2023 GR 86 Manual Premium in May of 23 - I did not have any RTV issues after having it checked. Some don't have any.

Stfu lol, can't even get a VW up for 20k ffs

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Never say never, but almost certainly not!

Yes. Should have been 3.0 flat 6 300hp. Imagine that.

@@jonasbaine3538 like a Porsche? I'll be down for that.

​@@iJakku Plenty of subaru flat 6 engines have been swapped into frs before. A factory GR86 w/ flat6 300hp would have finally been a real porsche cayman competition like orignally advertised in 2012...

I guess with Toyota owning a chunk of Subaru who is really leading who?

Agreed. I have the BRZ and kind of tired of Toyota being praised when the only contributions they really made were direct injection, some suspension adjustments, and insane markups. Thanks, Toyota.

@@dimatanaka4884Subaru has markups as well.

Wrong! Toyota designed the GR86 chassis and did add a significant contribution on the technical Front as well. Example: the DS-4 (direct and port injection), Denso AIS, suspension setup (stiffer), etc… So don’t get it twisted. The whole design of the car inside and out is 💯 percent Toyota. Subaru of course was heavily involved with engineering, build and test. Not to mention the assembly process at the Gunma plant. It is very much a true collaboration. People often see the car coming out of the Gunma plant, rocking Subaru badges on assembled parts and a boxer four engine then automatically assume this is all Subaru 😂

@@Julianklaus thanks for the info. My point is that so many KZfaqrs act as if Toyota was solely responsible for the existence of this car. I realize that in Europe, the BRZ is not available, so this oversight seems to be more egregious with reviewers from the UK. Anyway, just to add to your post, let's also clearly note Suburu's contributions. Chassis and Suspension: Subaru engineers were responsible for developing the BRZ's chassis and suspension system. They focused on creating a balanced and responsive platform that would deliver excellent handling and driving dynamics. Boxer Engine: Subaru provided the BRZ with its horizontally opposed "boxer" engine. The BRZ featured a 2.0-liter four-cylinder boxer engine, which was designed to deliver a low center of gravity, improved weight distribution, and responsive performance. Drivetrain: Subaru engineered the rear-wheel-drive system for the BRZ, which was a departure from their typical all-wheel-drive setups. The drivetrain was designed to provide the driving experience and enhance the car's handling characteristics. Manufacturing: Subaru manufactured the BRZ at its production facilities. They were responsible for ensuring the quality and precision in the assembly of the vehicle.

GR86 owner here. It’s still an issue if you plan to track your car.

It’s blown way out of proportion. Non-issue imo.