CARTRIDGE WARS: 7mm 08 Remington vs 308 Winchester with Richard Mann
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.
@sethgriffin6014 2 жыл бұрын
“I like to be able to buy ammunition” is the most valid statement in this whole video IMO
@TexanUSMC8089 2 жыл бұрын
Where I live, every store that sells ammo will have 308, 708, 3006, 270, 7 rem mag, 6.5 creedmoor, 243, 3030, and others.
@sethgriffin6014 2 жыл бұрын
@@TexanUSMC8089 lots of .308, some 6.5 Creedmoor, 3 or 4 different loads of all the magnums, 30-06, and .270 here. I haven’t seen 7mm-08 ammo on a shelf in close to a year.
@CapucheManSept7 2 жыл бұрын
@@TexanUSMC8089 where I live, you can buy 20 kinds of loads and brands of 308. Only one or two 7 08. So…
@TommyboyGTP 2 жыл бұрын
One of the first rifle calibers i've seen come back from the shortage is 308.
@sethgriffin6014 2 жыл бұрын
@@TommyboyGTP I’ve seen 308 ammo in every gun store I’ve been in since April
@devinb3397 2 жыл бұрын
If I had to have just one rifle it’d be 7mm-08 . But I’ve got a 7mm rem mag and .243 lol because luckily we can have more than one
@wh8085 2 жыл бұрын
Amen to that ! better stay active and vocal or this current group in DC will have us reduced to Daisy BB guns !
@GeorgeSemel 2 жыл бұрын
Well in 'Merica, the only real limit is what your checkbook can support!
@devinb3397 2 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgeSemel I’m in Australia actually! We can’t have semi autos or handguns or anything though. But don’t need those for hunting anyway
@WillyK51 2 жыл бұрын
Just one rifle for everything ? 7mm Rem Mag or a 300 Win Mag, close to medium range 7-08 more than enough
@devinb3397 2 жыл бұрын
@@WillyK51 I love my 7mm rem mag but after getting a 243 which has 1/3 the kick and is far cheaper I find myself taking rhe 243 when I’m after close range deer. The 7mm comes on the big trips where I could take long shots though
@robertakerson7186 2 жыл бұрын
Between any of the modern 7mm. and .30 cal. cartridges I really think there's not too much difference. But what differences there might be have kept gunwriters' families fed for the past hundred years!
@davidpallin772 2 жыл бұрын
Being realistic, there is no discernible difference between the two. Either one does just fine. Now, try finding factory ammunition for either caliber.
@karlmason6145 8 ай бұрын
@davidpallin772 you will get the best out of your 7mm08 with specific hand loads, I have had no problem whatsoever getting the things I need for the 7mm o8 I actually have surplus in that caliber!!!
@robertbare1007 2 жыл бұрын
I work in a gun shop and get asked these type questions all the time. Your videos always educate me, and in turn both myself and our customers benefit from it. Thank you and keep those videos coming my friend.
@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
Will do, Robert. Many thanks.
@craigs831 2 жыл бұрын
Ammunition availability is the key. Especially in locations that control ammo distribution(ie no mailing), required firearms license for ammo purchase or non lead bullets for hunting. But hey, I'm from California. I'll be hunting with organic bananas in a few years.
@fivex4756 2 жыл бұрын
Plenty of 6.8 W at the moment. 162 grain lead free 6.8 here we go.
@keithlucas6260 2 жыл бұрын
begs the question of "what will you be hunting?" The way California is going, even the wildlife are calling it quits and leaving the state.
@fivex4756 2 жыл бұрын
@@keithlucas6260 Wild/feral hogs not so much. I wonder if there is a connection.
@keithlucas6260 2 жыл бұрын
@@fivex4756 here in East Texas we get paid to kill them by rice paddy farmers and the cattle ranchers...$25 each.....they have over run everything, destroy crops, kill newborns dropped in the pasture, tear up the roots in streams killing trees and causing flooding. They're butchered and given to homeless shelters.....shot one in my pasture and processed it, but personally they taste a little "gamey" unless you season the heck out of it. Back in the late 60's we would hunt deer in Arizona because they were more plentiful, even though we lived in California.... The quail though was plentiful out by Palm Springs area in the washes by the San Jacinto foothills.
@scbane 2 жыл бұрын
Organic bananas....bwahahahaha made my day.
@SanjuroSeaCow 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe, I used to love this video, I showed it to all my friends I was getting into hunting with. I'm so glad you reuploaded it 😊
@tinoslaponi8514 Жыл бұрын
This is so wholesome it made my day. Proper sporty banter. Thanks gentlemen!
@F15BOYOBOY 2 жыл бұрын
I just won a Ruger American.308 in go wild Camo and I can’t wait to take it to the mountains and hills!!
@J354CAO 2 жыл бұрын
I have 2 in .223 and 7mm08 ... Great accurate rifles
@sabertachet 2 жыл бұрын
I own that same 308 go wild and it shoots sub moa with most factory loads once it got broken in. Just took a dandy buck with it.
@F15BOYOBOY 2 жыл бұрын
@@sabertachet awesome congrats that’s great to hear. What ammo do you use hunting? I got some “cheaper ammo” to break it in. And what type of scope do you have? I’m looking at Leupold VX 3 HD CDS ZL or Sig Sierra 3 BDX.
@sabertachet 2 жыл бұрын
@@F15BOYOBOY I broke it in with 7.62x51 nato ammo for cheap. I get sub moa groups with federal fusion 150gr and Hornady outfitter GMX 165gr but everything has grouped well after the first 40 rounds. The Athlon Talos scope I put on for like $200 is legit. It's a 4-16x40 that is light weight. The factory trigger comes pretty heavy but can be dialed down to around 3.5 lbs, but you have to take the stock off to do it. I don't recommend it unless you have a torque screwdriver to re-bed the action. They're like $40 on Amazon. Also make sure to tighten the pic rail before mounting a scope I've heard some are shipped loose from the factory.
@F15BOYOBOY 2 жыл бұрын
@@sabertachet sweet thank you for all the tips and info. I assume you sighted in at 100 yds? I’m also looking at using Hornady ELD-X 178 gr once broke in to see how they group. Comments for those in 308 seem to be pretty darn good.
@sixgunfun78 2 жыл бұрын
I went with 308. It’s just a more common cartridge. Either one will do the job.
@socialmedia5534 2 жыл бұрын
That's the most important thing. Why would anyone pick a cartridge that is barely produced....
@cbwelch4 2 жыл бұрын
My sentiments exactly. This argument is a solution looking for a problem.
@neilschiavi4216 2 жыл бұрын
@@cbwelch4 I have never had a problem finding 7mm/08 ammo even Walmart carries it, in Fl, the 7mm/08 is the #2 cartridge, 270 is#1.
@howardtoler3530 Жыл бұрын
@@neilschiavi4216 I Agree,and saying 7-08 is an uncommon cartridge is just silly. I've never had an issue finding 7-08 ammo, its as common as 30-06, 270, 7mmRM, etc. But I handload so......
@kurtwilhelm3823 Жыл бұрын
I own a 708 and ammo is fairly easy to get
@jaredgreen5840 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not much of a hunter but I am a ballistics geek. I love these caliber debates and are always great when you have a legend like Ron weighing in 😉👍
@bradreid2906 2 жыл бұрын
I love the .308 by far my favourite, and to be honest it isn’t so much about performance. Most of my shots are between 50 yards and 150 yards so at that range any notable cartridge would suffice. The real reason I love my .308 was stated in the video “I like to be able to buy ammunition” I can go to my local hunting store and I 100 percent know I can pick up cartridges in any weight and configuration for a fairly decent price. Oddly enough my brother prefers the 7mm 08 and he sometimes has great trouble finding ammunition and then it’s usually over priced and bullet weight is sometimes not exactly what he wants. Because remember if you sight your gun in 150 grain bullet that’s probably what you should use to hunt with and if all you can find is 130 grain it may cause issues with your zero
@vdog4799 2 жыл бұрын
That's good stuff! You guys are awesome! Nicely done boss👍
@davidpallin772 2 жыл бұрын
Ron, here is something to think about. Bought a new Browning BLR (made in Japan, so what) in .308 Winchester in 1978. I use Remington 180 Corelokt for ammunition. I always seem to get a buck every season with it. The biggest buck was a 225 pound 10 pointer that took two steps and went down. That rifle worked for me and still does. I’m 66 now and am running out of deer seasons. Keep us going Ron.
@lukavandervestuizen5006 10 ай бұрын
This is an amazing video, it reminds me of my uncles arguing thanks for bringing back memories
@jasonwallwork4682 2 жыл бұрын
Two mates with different opinions and yet they are both right at at the same time. Love it!!!!
@davidpallin772 2 жыл бұрын
Ron, you do a good job on your videos. I learn both from you and the viewers comments.
@TheEmporiumOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
I've hunted with a Tikka T3 in .308 where I live in Canada but I've switched since to the 7mm08 in a Sako A7 and prefer the 7mm08 overall. 👍
@elijahaitaok8624 2 жыл бұрын
How was the Tikka? The rangers where I live are making the switch to those from the lee enfields
@lyellclare9365 2 жыл бұрын
not sure why you would as no animal would notice the difference as a)they are animals and b)they are probably dead.
@falba1492 2 жыл бұрын
@@lyellclare9365 - Bullet drop and recoil. It’s the same reason why the 6.5 CR has overtaken the 308. IMO, I prefer the ballistics of the 7mm-08 to the 6.5 CR.
@falba1492 2 жыл бұрын
@@elijahaitaok8624 - They are very nice rifles. The only issue is short magazines, if you reload and want to get close to the lands. The other issue is very thin barrels, which is ok for hunting, but not if you want to spend you day at the range. I live in a hot climate, and it takes it toll waiting for the barrel to cool. So I’ve learned the get the varmint version.
@brocknbrie990 2 жыл бұрын
You know how to have fun Ron ... keep that alive my friend.
@Galuex24 2 жыл бұрын
Love it. Could have this convo 24/7 with anyone about any cartridge in the gun community. Just wish we lived in a world where ammo availability wasn't an issue.
@sandybarnett7502 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see that one again. Waiting now on my order from Pendleton ammo, yes in 7mmo8!
@huntershort7936 2 жыл бұрын
These are some of my favorite videos!
@trappersalas5102 2 жыл бұрын
This video helped me decide what short action riffle to buy for my boy and I and it paid off my boy who is 11 shot a heck of a deer this year at 350 yards with the 7mm-08
@blackbeard0323 2 жыл бұрын
Both are very effective cartridges as long as you know what you're doing. My deer rifle is a 308 win. and my wife's all around rifle is a 7mm 08, and honestly I really like her guns shooting profile; however, I started at age 12 with a 308 and now at 40 why would I change what I know and works so well!
@malthus101 2 жыл бұрын
12? so young. I'm already old and I haven't even started!
@Ambushw23 11 ай бұрын
7-08 is for people who think 308 is to big for them.
@Q2bFF 2 жыл бұрын
Love the banter, I’m headed to dear camp Tuesday
@travissmith2211 2 жыл бұрын
I went with the 308 years ago because it is the more prevalent round. Now that I'm into reloading, it's nice because I also reload 300 blk for the ar I built for the kids to use for deer hunting. Kind of nice to be able to find a variety of 30 caliber pills and choose how I want to make my ammo.
@Dmowery5036 2 жыл бұрын
I have both of them. Had the 08 for close to 15 years and I take it deer hunting every year. Remington 700, Love it. Just bought a Weatherby 308 this spring, I’ve target shot with it a good bit, but that’s it. I’ll see how it does this fall
@alfredneuman7665 2 жыл бұрын
I've had 7:08, 7 rem mag, 30:06, and 270's, but my best shooting easy to handle rifle by far is my 6.5 x 55 SE, mild recoil, so many load options (hand load) and many factory loads
@toddjohnson271 2 жыл бұрын
What the Swedes did with 6.5, in that recoil, is nothing short of genius.
@chuckmason7930 Жыл бұрын
@@toddjohnson271 it's the original improved cartridge
@swishswish386 2 жыл бұрын
Great flashback vid Ron 👍👍👍 Errr I think I am going to take sides with your friend, 308 is a pretty versatile option. Having said that and in my very biased opinion the 270Win is probably a better option than either of those
@darrenbishop4327 2 жыл бұрын
My T/C Venture is chambered in 270 win and I love it. No creep 2 pound no overtravel trigger that’s adjustable with a free float barrel and 1 moa. Can’t beat it for the money.
@Eric--zs6um 2 жыл бұрын
Yes on the 270. I'll keep my 2506 for my intent and purposes.
@wymple09 2 жыл бұрын
I've been a 270 fan forever.
@randyschneider7567 2 жыл бұрын
My first rifle was 270 win. Love it, was skeptical as far as the short action 308, 243 win. All great rounds. I've not used 7mm08,but I'm sure it's a performer as well. I'd just think you boys should settle this with a good Ole wrestling match. LOL
@toddjohnson271 2 жыл бұрын
so is 30-06...
@northwestwildandfree1505 2 жыл бұрын
This video is the first one I watched of yours. 7mm/.284 bullet is my favorite.
@bignlittleoutdoorstexascam3031 2 жыл бұрын
I have both 7mm08 and 308 and the 7mm mag and a 22-250 my 4 favorite rifles
@corycarlson8712 2 жыл бұрын
Go try to find either of these cartridges on the shelf... I saw cheap 3006 for $40 a box. It's ridiculous.
@wh8085 2 жыл бұрын
Ridiculous is right ! even 9mm is $40 bucks a box ! WHEN YOU CAN FIND THEM ! And .45's now that's trick to find !
@roystephenson5607 2 жыл бұрын
Loved this video !
@blueridgeboy7721 2 жыл бұрын
Here I am chomping at the bit, 30-06 is still the king in my book. For hunting. Love your videos ron, thanks for what you do.
@zorro456 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah and with modern powders it does what the .300 Magnums used to do. Longer case neck means it works better with heavy bullets too.
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 жыл бұрын
Neither of these cartridges will carry 1500 fpe to 500 yards, but the '06 will, with a very little room to spare.
@lewiefrazier1041 2 жыл бұрын
30-06 & 308 are both great rounds. Have been happy with either one in the deer woods. They will put Ole Snort on the ground.
@lewiefrazier1041 2 жыл бұрын
P.S. Ron, I have a friend who has killed a boxcar load of deer with a 7mm-08......
@petercarey8443 2 жыл бұрын
I am leaving today for an Elk hunt with my 12yr old daughter. It is her first big game hunt and her rifle is chambered in ...7mm-08. I debated three years ago when I bought her rifle and it came down to selection of youth rifles in a color she wanted. It was between 6.5 cm, 7mm-08 and 308, which I also have a few. The 6.5cm didn't have a lot of youth rifles (at the time in my area) and the 7mm-08 having a little less recoil might have tipped the scales. Another factor was it would be a new caliber for me. The one argument against the 7mm-08 vs 308 is ammunition availability. Especially now. I can find alot of 308 (relative) but have not found any 7mm-08 except for the light loaded rounds. Thank goodness I reload.
@EdAb 2 жыл бұрын
May you have a blessed trip!
@funkla65 2 жыл бұрын
The .308 does work well enough, but its proponents are always falling back on supply chain arguments. Which is really how we got stuck in the .30 rut in the first place. The .30-40 was quickly obsoleted, but we had to stick by all that .30 tooling when we sorted out its successor, when we could've skipped forwards to a 6.5 or 7 over a century ago. ;-)
@exothermal.sprocket 2 жыл бұрын
Circumstantial is the reason why a lot of not-as-good cartridges remain deeply ingrained in minds, even though manufacturers have improved most every aspect of the case, powder, bullet. There's something much better in just about every caliber than the old standby's in each caliber. Not every time, but in times.
@rediron44 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a .308, not because its "good enough", but because its a very good round. Too many people get hung up on the "latest and greatest" concept. Thinking if its new, its what all the cool kids are doing. In the thick woods I hunt, I will probably never shoot a whitetail farther than 150 yards. I used a 12 guage for 30 years. Indiana just recently allowed rifles. My .308 is perfect
@stormiewutzke4190 2 жыл бұрын
They also don't seem to have bought new ammo any time in the last couple of years. The .284 Win is better yet but it's actually hard to find ammo for.
@repairfreak 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, very funny video, it does bring out some good points of each cartridge. If it wasn’t for the availability issue, I think I’de be going with the 7mm-08. However I don’t have to worry, I have a hunting rifle with cartridges that will shoot anything from butterflies to elk, lol. 😁👍
@Cjinglaterra 2 жыл бұрын
You’re both wrong. Everyone knows.30-06 Springfield is the greatest caliber in the history of calibers.
@obtuseonone3133 2 жыл бұрын
the .308 is the first short magnum birthed from the 30-06 edit who tee who made the best vid showing the difference its 4 paper plates kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mqmeYLidz9bJdGQ.html
@TheREALLibertyOrDeath 2 жыл бұрын
@@obtuseonone3133 308 magnum 😂🤣
@twp616 2 жыл бұрын
The . 300 Savage was the first. In fact the . 308 comes from the. 300 Savage
@obtuseonone3133 2 жыл бұрын
@@twp616 im glad you said that...i had to look for a minute just to make sure i was seeing what i was reading. the .308 did come from the 300 savage..i had confused this for a while now. that was a interesting read and its so circular about what bullets are were made from each other cases and such. there was even a second generation .308 case design. ill have to read and re read all that again...and i still might not talk about it.
@denisleblanc4506 2 жыл бұрын
Its funny how the 308 was touted as a lighter recoiling version of the 30-06 for women and younger hunters but when the compare the 7mm08 to the 308 they say the 7mm is for women and youth. Fact of the matter is both will do the job at closer ranges and at longer ranges the 7mm-08 will perform a little better than the 308. I will agree the 308 might gets more support with a wider selection of bullet weights and construction but that is more a fault with the manufacturers not supporting the 7mm08 as much. All the arguments made in favour of the 308 can be made in favour of the 7mm-08 when you compare it to the 6.5 Creed but not many writers want to point that out. Everybody knows that the lighter recoiling Creed is geared more for masculine long range hunters than the 7mm08...right?
@JohnThreeTwelve 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💣
@BabaNovac792 2 жыл бұрын
Would you like to trow the (shorter)barrel life in that argument of yours about the 6.5 Creed?... or will you like to stay in the discussion about the 308 vs 7mm-08 without mixing other cartridges?....(you are not wrong,off-course,but that is not the point)
@denisleblanc4506 2 жыл бұрын
@@BabaNovac792 Not really. My 1990 Sako's accuracy is holding up better than I am. Most hunters will never shoot out a barrel of their big game hunting rifle with any of the calibers I mentioned. And most wouldn't even notice the accuracy drop off if it started. In my considerable time being involved with firearms, I have seen exactly one shot out rifle and it was a 243. I'm not considering surplus rifles and I can't vouch for the maintenance of the 243 but bullets it fired tumbled in 100 yards. If I was going to buy something centerfire to practice now it would probably be something in 6.5 Grendel but that's just me and I'm way past being interested in any magnum or anything similar.
@JohnThreeTwelve 2 жыл бұрын
I don't have to worry about the 6.5 issues, as I dare say I'll never own one, unless its gifted to me. My 7mm-08 handloads with a 140 AB will do everything and more than a 6.5, and many other 'deer' loads out there. But, even though off topic, I'm interested in the 6.8. It may be waaaaaayyy too masculine in today's world, but I'd take my chances. Lmao!!!
@denisleblanc4506 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnThreeTwelve I reloaded some 160 grain Grand Slams for my puny 7mm-08 for moose and bagged two in the last for years with the load. One shot each and the second one was over 200 yards away quartering towards me. One shot and it never took a step. The reason I took the shot is the other moose that was with it had already turned and made it to the forest and I wasn't interested in taking a quartering shot while it would have been moving so I took my shot. I've never had to take a second shot with my 7mm-08. But I have to admit I'm working up loads with Federal TBT in 140 and 160 grains to hopefully get another 50 yards of effective range on moose in case I get another chance to hunt them. It does all I ask and doesn't ruin much meat. That's good enough for me.
@justinlowe8038 2 жыл бұрын
Now there’s 2 cartridges that are both near to my heart . In my opinion the 7mm08 is the 308 Winchester perfected ! I will go as far as saying 7mm08 is the perfect cartridge for deer size game period .
@justinlowe8038 2 жыл бұрын
I’m shure 7mm-08 has taken elk . Personally I would prefer a 7mm Remington magnum or larger for elk .
@dg20120 2 жыл бұрын
I’m slowly planning on acquiring a rifle for everything smaller than elk - deer, antelope and bighorn (if I draw a tag before I’m too old to walk up the mountain to hunt one). I keep waffling between the 308, 7mm-08 and 270 Winchester with occasional thoughts of getting a 6.5 PRC.
@davidforrest399 2 жыл бұрын
Mr Spomer - thanks for the great videos - am packing as we speak to head out to the woods for deer season. Am hoping this year i dont get tag soup.
@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
Best of luck David!
@bryandale7125 7 ай бұрын
You guys are funny, because you both have good points. As a matter of fact, I was debating these two cartridges when I bought my Winchester model 70 many years ago, and you know what, I chose .308 after a lot of research, but the reasons I chose it just barely beat out the other cartridge.
@Echowhiskeyone 2 жыл бұрын
A friend wanted a 7mm Rem Mag. He did not listen to me. He got it and shot it and it was a bit much in the recoil for him. He sold it and listened to me. He got 7mm-08 and i now happy. This was 25 years ago. I wish he would have told me he was selling the 7mm Rem. Mag., I would have bought it with out a thought.
@lukedog7028 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve seen this argument unfold many times in hunting camp. Usually the 257 Robert’s guy, 6mm Remington guy and 270 fellow chime in as well.
@swishswish386 2 жыл бұрын
Correct and that fellow would be me..270 😎
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 2 жыл бұрын
Not all of us .30-'06 guys have died of old age and the arguments for it never will.
@lukedog7028 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 I never did like the 30-06 because it seemed like a ol timers gun when I was young. My uncle passed away a few years ago and left me a browning safari grade 30-06. Having hunted with it a few seasons and getting close to being a ol timer myself I understand why folks like it.
@redrock425 2 жыл бұрын
All depends on your criteria: Do you mind recoil? Does cost matter? Do you need a lightweight rifle? What's the max range you intend to shoot? What's the max size of game you hunt? Some of these answers will provide opposite conclusions. Compromise is necessary or buy for a specific use case. Hence we have lots of choices in the market 😉
@isaacrush9184 2 жыл бұрын
What we need for “cartridge wars” is .243vs 25-06
@eidtnaci Жыл бұрын
Great talk between brothers
@RWTT 2 жыл бұрын
Have them both, love them both.
@JBASH2011 2 жыл бұрын
This was hilarious. I'm into the oddball cartridges, and I've always preferred the 7-08. BUT I used the 308 a bunch when I was younger, and it performed great- and definitely easier to find if you need some more. That said- if you are going to go 308, might as well go 30-06-. You have more variety of loads, even easier to find it on a shelf, and the difference in recoil is insignificant.
@sinistersilverado965 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, 30-06 is the hardest ammo to find, I want NATO cartridges 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62NATO
@portugal5698 Жыл бұрын
@@sinistersilverado965LMFAO
@karlmason6145 8 ай бұрын
The recoil might be insignificant with the loads your using between 308 and 30 06 but with development in hand loads I have every significant difference in recoil from the 7mm 08 and no droo in performance.
@REDNECKROOTS 7 ай бұрын
@sinistersilverado965 same ware I live. No 3006 to be found for last few years. I bought a 308 and now I've got stacks of ammo
@GeorgeSemel 2 жыл бұрын
So you guys made a taste great less filling commercial! My uncle hunted most of his life with a 308 till he figured out that he could still shoot his deer, loved venison with a 22 Hornet. He asked me to load up some for him so I did 45 gr Speer SP. two hundred rounds for him, and that was the last he ever ask me to load some ammo. When he died 24 years later, I found that ammo he still had 170 rounds still in the box. Oh and there was a note, Nephew, thank you for loading this ammo for me. When you read this I will be gone. Even though I never said much, you were the best part of my life. I have that hornet I still have quite a bit of that ammo some 15 years on and the rifle. I shoot or have shot a 7mm-08 a lot. Thou I like the 7 x 57 more.
@brentworls8509 2 жыл бұрын
Priceless.
@samthai818 2 жыл бұрын
I unfortunately never had the privilege of an uncle who like to hunt. I can only aspire to be that uncle and father for my nephew, neice, daughter, and son should they want to hunt. I can outfit all of them with the time comes.
@mikehagan4320 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome story and Awesome Uncle! Best Wishes! M.H
@mikehagan4320 2 жыл бұрын
@@samthai818 the fact that you Recognize that means you are well on your way. Let it be the kids choice. Regale them with exciting stories of adventures. Then I'll bet they will be Hunting, Shooting and enjoying the outdoors with you. Best Wishes! M.H.
@WillyK51 2 жыл бұрын
Well after a bit of practice and sighting in, he probaly got his deer with just one shot, and you get one or two deer a season, plenty rounds left over. My dad taught me how to fish and spearfish, firearms were my own learning process, have a 7 yrs old grandson that will need teaching, hope I make it
@ronrichmond4694 2 жыл бұрын
If the ammo is there to be had with some choices also, I’ld probably go with 7mm-08. Great video! 👍👍👍 But leaves you scratching your head as to exactly WHY certain cartridges REMAIN so popular
@joshuaerlandson5623 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you backing the 7mm-08 so hard. It seems to get a bad rap as a kids round when it is an amazing all-around cartridge. As Versatile, but better numbers all the way around for easier shooting than .308. Only round I more versatile is the 30-06. Which you’ve said. Thank! Loved the video!
@AlexanderTheGreat91 3 ай бұрын
Man was that some great banter.
@Dfour 2 жыл бұрын
We need more of these
@davidneal6920 2 жыл бұрын
Always a good argument. I have used both. Both great calibres. The 708 in 140 grain in my opinion is ballistically superior to 308 but it’s hard to adequately fit some of the longer heavier bullets in the short action 708. All things equal I prefer the 7
@Mark-uq9km 2 жыл бұрын
I love both of you guys. Shout out to Richard: Go 'Eers.
@MikeHunts 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just got a new 308 and love it. It's the only ammo on the shelves right now.
@TheNoColo 2 жыл бұрын
Love them both!
@bhuff4748 2 жыл бұрын
You said one great statement…I love hunting by myself! Me too!
@Guide504 2 жыл бұрын
With you all the way Ron.
@allenlarabie8854 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣 love the argument Ron. 👍🏼👍🏼
@MrRufusjax 2 жыл бұрын
You guys are really funny. And you both have a point.
@ColdDiceConspiracy Жыл бұрын
Oh man, I could watch these two fuss back and forth for hours. Lol
@merlinnorris817 2 жыл бұрын
Love both rounds and have taken deer with both . BEEN hunting all my life 11 to now 56 . 99% of my shots have been under 100 yards hunted mostly in Georgia but hunted in Nebraska for 14 years.
@toddjohnson271 2 жыл бұрын
why I use the 35 Remington:)
@jakedavid8187 5 ай бұрын
I had a 308 as a young man. I am researching the 7mm-08 as an older man. My taste has became refined! Haha
@keithalbrecht4785 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Ron. So 308 has more drag, does that mean Richard a drag too!! 7mm-08 & 308, taking deer with both of them. I have to side with you, 7mm-08 is my choice too!! But I will be hung this year with my 308, using those Barnes 165gr. TTSX bullets! Good video Ron!!!
@thehoneybadger8089 2 жыл бұрын
"I like to be able to buy ammunition." That settles it!
@tundraspecialops 2 жыл бұрын
One sticking point for me. "SUPPLY CHAIN ARGUMENT." Doesn't matter how good it is if you can't purchase it at will without having to set an email notification to let you know your preferred caliber ammo is available.
@fortfly 2 жыл бұрын
Ron, that rifle you were holding sure has a pretty stock. Distractingly so; glad I hung around to hear what you were talking about 'cause the first couple minutes I was more interested in that rifle....
@robdeff49 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ron ..took a deer today with the 7mm-08. Layed it flat on its back ..this was the first deer i have taken with it i must say i was impressed
@LandonS_23 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! great video, Ron!
@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@philiptrump8472 9 ай бұрын
I love both.. And the old 30-06
@steveshoemaker6347 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing😱.....Thanks👍👀
@brettstewart5186 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a 7mm08 fella does everything I need it to do cheers Yogi Australia 🇦🇺🤟🤟
@MrGuitars8 2 жыл бұрын
Two Great Calibers and it gives you some to think about . Alot of Great Calibers out thee to choose from .
@mtsurov 11 ай бұрын
Interesting point on ammo availability. Surprisingly, when covid hit in 2019, I found myself quite un-prepared as all NATO cartridges disappeared from the shelf first. And odd-ball ones (at leas in my area) were easier to find.
@Hotel_Chuck 9 ай бұрын
Absolutely true
@davidpacker117 2 жыл бұрын
You got me laughing with that most game animals stop at Pennsylvania. I have bothcalibers but mostly use my 30.06.
@rediron44 2 жыл бұрын
Both cartridges are very good. I like to be able to find ammo. You can pretty much buy it anywhere..
@SH-lb1nu 2 жыл бұрын
Easy, buy a 7mm Rem Mag
@darrenbishop4327 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! I love the 7 mag. It just feels special for some reason.
@goranmalnar5172 2 жыл бұрын
Or 7x64 brenneke?
@NHGUIDE88 2 жыл бұрын
That was fun!
@Adam-vj4uz 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you Ron 7mm-08 is an excellent deer cartridge. It's gaining popularity in my area. I know a lot people that have switched from the 308 and 243 to the 7mm-08 because it is a better performing cartridge. I have bought two 7mm-08 rifles.
@zombieapocalypse3837 2 жыл бұрын
Really "better performing" has more to do with the shooter knowing their rifle and cartridge characteristics so well that they can put the bullet where it needs to go for greatest effect. Beware the hunter who owns only one rifle chambered in their favorite cartridge.
@lyellclare9365 2 жыл бұрын
no deer knows the difference.
@davidpallin772 2 жыл бұрын
@@lyellclare9365 You are the most articulate, sensible person on this thread. Well said.
@bullgravy6906 Жыл бұрын
They’re debating which is the best while the .30-06 quietly sips it’s morning coffee, proud of its kids
@gregb.6682 2 жыл бұрын
Finding your preferred hunting ammunition regardless of caliber can be challenging nowadays. My overall experience with both is why 7mm08 wins my vote.
@greggibson6914 2 жыл бұрын
Not taking sides but that’s the same discussion you hear for .270 vs 30/06. Or 270 vs 6.5. Love it.
@shoup2882 2 жыл бұрын
We have "discussions" like this at deer camp all the time!
@jasonhastings5538 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 this is great!!!!! I have both 7mm-08 and 308!!!
@PrinceAlhorian 9 ай бұрын
Fired both 7mm and 308, and both convinced me to stay with the OG... 30-06.
@rickmcdonald7836 2 жыл бұрын
OH that's a great argument and funny had me laughing how ever I agree with you Ron and the ballistics.
@aryamoshrefi417 2 жыл бұрын
Everything you said about the 7mm-08 is valid BUT the popularity and availability of the 308 cartridge and the bullet selection of 308 anywhere on this planet can not be forgotten. and as @sethgriffin said in one of the comments "I like to buy ammunition" is the most valid statement of this video IMHO.
@edysinsimon8646 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with that statement. The 7mm08 is my preferred caliber in a short action.
@dennismoore9147 7 ай бұрын
my buddies and i was checking our rifles before opening day they have 7.08 308 3006 mostly brownings at 100 and 200 yds i out grouped them i was shooting a 30tc in tc venture
@jackbuendgen389 2 жыл бұрын
If 7-08 was more available I'd buy one in a heartbeat
@Liamisdead99 Жыл бұрын
It’s been 9 months but just go to midway if they don’t have any available ammo press notify and it will send u a notification to ur phone or whatever and u can just have it shipped to ur local gun shop😁
@perlago21 2 жыл бұрын
I have been looking to get my first boot action hunting rifle, and so far when I look in stores for ammo the most common and affordable cartridges is .308 like the gentleman said I would like to buy ammo for my rifle, the price of 7mm08 or 243 or 30-06 is vastly more costly than 308, I can buy bulk 308 to plink and practice the fundamentals and a couple of boxes of premium ammo for when I hunt (hopefully soon) for way cheaper than the cheapest stuff in any other cartridges, I agree with the ballistic point mentioned in the video, but what good is ballistic data if you can’t buy the darn ammo in the first place
@ivanfozie 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual. Have you consider to do video about 8x57 is ?
@terencegamble4548 2 жыл бұрын
Good fun!
@jamesquigley8628 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard Mann, Be Well.
@MysteriousMarsupial 2 жыл бұрын
Love the argument but the .308 rules because of its availability and price. Nothing will beat its versatility no matter how many stats you throw around. Love the videos and the controversy though Ron - from an Aussie Shooter!
@ryane6719 2 жыл бұрын
White bread is ubiquitous and cheap as well
@stephenhair5501 2 жыл бұрын
.308 is a great round and will always be. Love shooting it and seeing the results.
@keithlucas6260 2 жыл бұрын
Only $24.99/box at Academy Sports store....and plenty of it.
@keithlucas6260 2 жыл бұрын
@@ryane6719 it only takes four ingredients to make it which cost around 25 cents/loaf. They call it "wonder bread" for a reason....shelf life is a hundred years....those added chemicals.
@ryane6719 2 жыл бұрын
@@keithlucas6260 on the price I really can’t argue these days… I have a .257 weatherby…. $99 for a box as of last Saturday 🤦🏼♂️. I hope we’re not relegated to a few calibers soon.
@Blackpanther_risen 2 жыл бұрын
If shoot at distances under 300 yrds then chose 308 and if further than 300 then 270 or 3006
@chuckydubree1925 Жыл бұрын
Got both really like them so I think I'll keep my dog outta that race thanks for posting
@chuckydubree1925 Жыл бұрын
Happy hunting Ron ,by the way that was my favorite uncle's name enjoy your videos
@vermilliontoaster3063 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂 These guys are hilarious and honest!
@charlesmorgan1879 2 жыл бұрын
Last winter in ammo hunts , just about every where I looked i found 308 Win and I was looking for a rifle, got a Ruger American Predator Go Wild in 308. And prices were 20-30 a box for hunting rounds & fmj
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