@muttering matt. . .The casinos are small time in comparison to online sports betting. That's something that has the potential to ruin all sports for decades to come. There is a reason why gambling was illegal in this country up until recently. There is a reason why the mafia has controlled sports gambling for a hundred years.

Casinos are repugnant. They're literally cheating you, and they get mad for you doing the same to then.

"No, no, no - we're supposed to fleece you - !" *garbled eldritch screeching*

@@karlhungus5436Card counting is not even cheating. It is not that the card counter knows which cards are coming up next. He is simply able to recalculate the odds more efficiently.

@@bingbongbang8895 although when it comes to amounts being played you may be right, fully licensed betting sites have laws of obligation that don't allow them to do some things a casino does like not giving you your money or harass you. But i do bet they can make their services unavailable do you but you can kind of go around that much easier than a casino.

Ong

@@MrBadjohn69 if they do not ask for ID points if ingress they are violating probable grounds of operating on open liquor floor. since ID is checked at the door. they can check inside the floor that serve alcohol. if its denied they are obligated to remove them. regardless of paying out. the casino can kick you out without paying. but with the police there they can get you paid out. unless they are directly serving trespass (the act means you must immediately leave, and failing to do so allows them to press criminal trespass charges upon you if they so choose, or have the police deal with it (which they do so they don't have to dirty their hands in civil suits)). in the case that trespass is served you're removed without a payout. you'd have to proceed through with a civil case in order to get your payout. (or threaten them with one with a request to pay you out for that amount) If you were to leave the casino with the chips and re-enter the casino they can deny you a payout for them on suspicious grounds of them fraudulent (without proof) and confiscate their property and if you wanted reimbursement you'd have to settle that in court as well. These are things they can do just because its their establishment. they can do it to anyone they choose and do not need a reason to do so. The only things the gambler does have in their favor are any precedents already set in law, in which would help their case and they could sue for punitive damages on top of their damages and costs. because of this most establishments just pay them out before they leave and then refuse entry. which is legal and lawful for them to do.

@@MrBadjohn69 Washington state does _not_ have any Stop and Identify statute requiring compulsory identification to _anyone._ A private establishment may set forth policies requiring individuals seeking entry to provide identification, and may also establish policies requiring patrons within the establishment to provide identification upon request, but neither of these _requests_ are lawful. There is no criminal code to refuse to identify to enter a casino, or bar, and no criminal code pertaining to someone already within the establishment refusing to provide identification. The establishment reserves the right, as a private entity on private property, to refuse service to anyone they please - as well as the right to request anyone to leave their property. Neither of which requires the individual to identify themselves. No casino, or bar, may press criminal charges for someone refusing to identify, because they have no legal authority to do so - as it's _not_ a crime, or violation of _law._ The only thing you were correct about was whether or not a bar can ask for an ID at any time. Yes, they may ask anyone, at any time, for identification. In fact, any random person walking down a sidewalk has the right to _ask_ for anyone's identification. That does _not_ mean there's any legal obligation to fulfill the request. Ask any practicing Washington state attorney, or just use google. It's free.

@John Gibbons Legally anybody can ask you anything anywhere but you are not lawfully required to answer or show ID to anyone including police unless you are suspected of committing a crime and card counting is not illegal. If you believe it is illegal please cite the law. With that being said you can be kicked out of a private business for any reason or no reason at all.

@@MrBadjohn69 As for the ID due to liquor rules that is completely the responsibility of the business to do. A customer can only get in trouble if they are under age but if business is not checking ID's as required they are the one breaking the law.

Feels like they hired a former card counter to catch card counters. Which is why he’s so chill because he gets it

@@Resr81 someone that's a pit boss would def know that anyways being able to watch the action and catch it.

It's not they're gonna drag him to a backroom, the worst that can happen is he gets escorted out

These guys can kill you..specially if its mafia run..​@@bajorekjon

Lmao I was thinking that. That is the part where you generally screwed 😂

*circuses

A casino is a place that’s licensed to steal. Walk in at your own peril.

That is the worst, most self-centered argument I have ever heard! It is like every time the GOP said "You did not vote illegally, but you did not vote for Donald Trump in 2020, so we need to make it harder for you to vote in every possible election!" Nobody wants to play games when they are not allowed to win. Alienating customers by never giving them what they came for, paid for or played for without cheating will eventually bankrupt you.

More than slight advantage. With enough of a base fund, you can reliably make bank out of a casino. That said, it's the casino's issue that their game is reliably beatable, not the player. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

They don't want you to play a game of luck with too much skill. How is this so hard for people to understand? They make money from house advantage, losing the house advantage is giving away money. They are the bookies, they are not playing the game with you. I would argue that they shouldn't play Blackjack if they don't have a solution to the problem but suggesting that a business expose themselves to loss is just unreasonable.

since they lose money, which is stupid because casinos are supposed to be about luck of the draw, and since counting cards is something that doesnt modify the draw in any way, its stupid that they kick people out

@Luna’s Rambles…..it isn’t about “luck of the draw” at all, though. Casinos are in business and the odds are in their favor. That’s why casinos make money. The rules exist for them to make money. If you will, it is NOT the casino’s money you win- it is the money of OTHER people. Some people will make money, others will lose money, the casino will make money because those who lose, lose more than the people who win. That’s where the casino’s profit comes from. Make no mistake, nobody wins the casino’s money. Casinos have no desire for people to change the odds , which are set in THEIR favor, to odds that are more favorable. ie Counting cards do not allow the player to win, but simply create odds that are more favorable to them. Casinos love the odds, so long as they favor them.

@@aetheriox463 well they could just ban them, wich is not illegal, but they should not call the cops on them or refuse to pay out their winnings. That is illegal.

The casino generally don't like people who walk away with more money then they bring. Which is actually really stupid because they should let someone win to keeps selling dreams to others ...

Seems to make sense why they make a difference between thieves, cheats, and advantaged players. A card counter is a advantaged player So you can't be arrested, but they can stop you from continue play at that game (from what I gathered).

Don’t know how he got away with it

​@@landontucker2866 because casino's like to pay the right people so they can get away with smaller crimes. If a city official pisses off a casino, that casino can make empty threats and get the official removed

I'm the chief of police in my own mind

Sadly it is just a misdemeanor in most states, don't know about washington. In Florida I think it is a felony but in most just a misdemeanor.

Tulalip is literally on the Tulalip Indian Reservation. Their security heads have law enforcement powers inside their establishment and the Tulalip tribe has their own tribal police.

Its just how law work. They are allowed to do that to discourage underages from gambling. If they know cheating the system is 100% loss, they will never get the money out, they are discouraged. Thats why, when I worked in a convience store, I would take payment first, then ask for ID, and if ID was underage or person did not have ID, I would enter 0.00 in cash register and then push the "TIP 100%" button (meaning the sum registred in the card machine were allocated 100% to TIP) on the cash register. That was free money for the store. So when underage attempted to buy alcohol, they would lose both money and product. And since they were underage, they would just get a laugh from the grown ups when they said: "I attempted to illegally buy alcohol as a underage and they kept all my money!". This ONLY works in countries where the law says its illegal to give alcohol to underage, but legal to sell alcohol to underage. (Sweden is such a country, the laws says you may not physically give alcohol to a underage, regardless of its for money or for free, but you can legally sell alcohol to a underage, as long as you dont give the bottle to the underage). If the law says its illegal to both sell and give alcohol to underage, this trick don't work, since then its illegal to also sell (as in completing a monetary transaction) the alcohol to underage even if you don't give the alcohol to the underage afterwards. In sweden you can actually BUY a pistol without a weapon's license. You just wont get the pistol until you show a license. Its because the law says its legal to sell weapons to those lacking the license, but you may not physically transfer a pistol to someone lacking a license.

@@sebastiannielsen That's actually a good lesson to teach them honestly... I mean you are legally stealing money... somehow... but you are following the law to try and teach them a valuable lesson about following the law (and knowing your rights).

@@sebastiannielsenI reckon you’re a thief regardless

What the f is a weapons license?@@sebastiannielsen

@@hansschmidt1888 Gun license/ weapons license. Required to possess a weapon. In sweden you need 1 license per gun.

Underrated comment

If they allowed card counting the place would be cleaned out every single night

@@mikekosak9598 then, adjust the rules of the actual game. I mean multiple decks with early reshuffles should be more than enough to negate card counting, but to ban people based on what they might be doing in their heads is ridiculous.

Yeah. Casinos are a business my man. Regulation allows them to refuse service to you. Which is a much better world than the alternative where it would be considered cheating and they'd refuse to pay you. And to your point, many casinos do basically what you're saying. They have half deck shoes, or continuous shufflers. But the general gambler doesn't like those. It slows down the game for the former. And people don't trust the CS. I'm not defending the casinos. I love that people try and take legal advantage of them. But the law allows them to back you off. And most card counters just accept that.

@@bigheadrhino most casinos do exactly that. They still blow a gasket at anyone trying to skew the odds back to even.🤷

Hahaha thanks. Jokes on them I don’t have a lawyer 😂

(Absolutely having one on standby for the next trip though)

They’re a private business they don’t have to do business with you

I found this as he said it

@@Mustlehard Which he accepted.

You just know they've gotten information from other casinos. xD

they know your counting and they want to get you before the count swings in your favor and they start losing

Too funny

Well it gets in the way of the casino raking in the cash from all those suckers out there.

can they refuse to let you cash chips?

@@amen2470 No, they will just ask you to leave and never come back, and share your image with other casinos.

They’re “rental cops.” Never take “security” seriously, especially in shady places.

no casino has done this for decades. everyone at the card tables, including the dealer, does it. its when you start cheating or acting suspicious that they have enough of your bullshit and get rid of you.

You have to give your name to sue.

That would require a long court case and lots of money. Not worth it. Being able to get cashed out and then leave forever is the best outcome.

@@517342 lmao “not worth it.” Have you ever sued any company, regardless of tribal affiliation, for false imprisonment? Your lack of legal knowledge and willingness to relay that information is interesting at best.

@@mykethevet Exactly, that's why I wouldn't bother with this crap. That's all I said. But since you're so confident that you'll win and appear to be a legal expert, by all means go for it champ.

@@mykethevet that's why you sue for damages and costs as well

I agree with you but he is on reservation property, good luck getting that to go anywhere.

It felt like a pretty insane power trip. He had no reason to be that aggressive. Especially since if anyone nearby was watching it would reflect very poorly on the casino. Like your playing next to a guy who has not done anything to warrant starting a scene. 4 dudes show up and start antagonizing ,raising their voice voice, and calling themselves the law would make me playing casually want to leave.

Might as well be a mall cop

@@CosmicDarkLord having seen behavior like this at casinos first hand has made me want to never go to a gambling again. I wasn't even the person being harassed.

Impersonating a police officer is a crime. This video should have been shown to the police

It's not fair to call them thieves anyways because they played the game better 😂😆

I don't call them thieves unless it's in a private game. In a casino it's perfectly fair. casino's use algorithms to place the odds in their favor on literally every game.

casino and fair in the same sentence...? you know why they say house always wins right? go waste your money on something more useful.. like whores and booze

It's my understanding that it's a myth that counting cards gives a huge advantage.

Go to a casino get ripped off simple dont complain

Same here. Was excited to see some casinos I know. Kelso/Longview here.

Hey, you see that guy there who just pawned his wedding band for $700? He's got our money, and if he tries to win it for himself, release the hounds. -Every casino ever.

Its a business?

MD M8 businesses can be nice, but yeah, most businesses are corrupt

@@LazoGT naw

@@LazoGT commie vibes

Can confirm, incredibly illegal. Worked in the biz.

I would have called for a State Police Officer. The tribal police are tied up with the casino.

Sue Sue Sue press charges

It's not impersonation. Casino security have full police powers inside the casino. At least that's how it is in Las Vegas.

@@ButterBallTheOpossum They can literally arrest you and put you in handcuffs?

It's not even the "right thing" they have to do but simply the legal one. Private policy can NEVER supersede actual laws.

well their policy is you cash in and don't cash out

Sometimes they do it for our own protection, like youtube and facebook.

Just like any/all government operates

Ong

Isn’t it wild people who should be rehabilitated are just walking around?

It's almost like police moonlighting should be illegal and is a conflict of interest.

Man just wanted to feel like Judge Dredd

You're not impersonating an officer if you're an officer off duty.

and all judges are bought. no such thing as a fair judge in the usa

Didn't you see the movie, Casino? The gaming commissioner gets a nice briefcase from the casino in the middle of the night on a monthly basis.

​@@miskitttThat's closer to the truth than one would think.

yeah. like WTF. it's a FELONY to 'Impersonate a Police Officer'. ..... why he not get charged.

@@glytchd Because nobody pressed charges. If they kept the money and went to lawsuit I'd have reported the felony to add weight to my case. Otherwise, unless he was a much bigger douche than he was it's probably not worth pursuing.

He mentioned he is authorized to enforce certain laws by a tribe. Basically this took place in a place where Native Americans govern and can deputize people to enforce certain laws within areas the tribe own.

Yes. But since casinos have a lot of money Im sure the politicians and police chiefs will turn a blind eye. Well, you get what you vote for.

It's okay if he sexually identifies as a cop, corme on now.

😂 nailed it

Yea but you know whenever money is involved people go oonga boonga.

Not similar at all . He's free to count cards all he wants . Just don't suddenly go from betting $10 a hand to $200 a hand . That don't want his action then

for real when you study you already know the answers to the test so that's basically cheating smh

Or a sports team being told they can't have certain players because they give them an unfair advantage. Sorry Tom Brady, you cant play anymore, your an unfair advantage. XD

They probably suspect people when they bet normally and then all of a sudden start betting larger. It would take much to review footage and count the cards during playback and compare that to when the bet amount increases. That's why its better for them to work in teams. The "counter", so to speak, doesn't alter his betting at the table and then signals for the high roller to join the table and start betting.

@@craigmonty what? That has nothing to do with my comment?

@@eriq8904 Just suggesting that it's not the dealer that is counting the cards along side him. It's security doing it when watching video playback to work out if he was counting or not. It's the casino manager or floor manager that mentions the count to him... not the dealer.

@@craigmonty my point was that there was clearly someone else who can count cards which I think is really interesting. Idc who or how it was done, just that the place seemed chill and someone knew how it’s done unlike the other places that just freak out the one guy was like +6 is pretty good huh

@@eriq8904 you are right, and I find your comment relatable. it's obvious in hindsight, that the casinos have to be as good in counting as the players to catch it happening.

Just gotta say, if this was in the EU recent EU laws would mean that the casino would need you consent to store your personal information, to what they’d be using this information for and they’d be legally bound to grant tell you what information they have on you and delete it on request.

@John Dunham abuse of non existent power is not gonna get you a job with the police department. Just the opposite I imagine Barney! Tool bag getting kicks harassing hard working people to flex nuts you don’t have.

I would rather give up my id then get thrown in the back of a car lmao

@John Dunham so you violated alot of peoples 4th amendment rights and not even a COP.. yea someone should long taken away ya fake badge

@John Dunham you said you're the leading authority at the bank and then said you listen to the bank manger in the same sentence lol.

Fr, I find it weird people still fund those vultures

Omg yes that's exactly how they sounded

You don't know how much money a good card counter and and few good decks in their favor can make.

He claims he lost 3k but afterwards says he was up $290, so he was lying to them to try and throw them off. They knew he was up.

Counting cards unsuccessfully actually probably caused him to lose more than if he were flat betting. When the count is high you increase your bet, potentially substantially, to take advantage of a high expected value on those hands. Some bad luck (variance) on those hands could cause a fast and large downswing. On that day the casino profited off of the variance, while in the long run the casino industry would lose money on the positive EV

Yeah and nothing would’ve happened. A DA wouldn’t waste time with a case this tiny and one that’s easily arguable. DA’s want nice easy convictions. The guy said he was a police officer of that establishment. How he worded it would keep him safe. If he had done anything else on top of that then it’s a different matter because now you have actions being taken. First amendment is extremely good at protecting you on speech when it’s a grey area if you know how to word things

@@youarewrong57 the DA is owned by the casinos, like everyone else in line to punish them for their crimes.

@@youarewrong57 "Police officer of that establishment." You do understand REAL police officers are appointed to certain locations, such as construction zones, grocery stores, fast food areas. A security guard/officer can not establish themselves as "police officers" in any type of context.

i'd to see the real police get called to verify that person is actually a cop and fuck that casino up the ass for impersonating an officer.

Casinos have their own police.... you are welcome to press charges but i sincerely doubt you will win lol.

In Washington state, it’s very common for Seahawks fans to wear team jerseys on Fridays or other days close to gamedays. Most blackjack dealers wear formal attire, but because so many patrons are locals and Seahawks fans, it’s good for business to let dealers wear jerseys as well

Yes. Impersonating a police officer is a crime punished with up to a year in jail.

@@AudunWangen It's illegal I agree, but the tribal have different laws. Nothing would happen to him.

@@shemmy95 yep, heavily dependent on the tribe.

Tribal lands have thier own police forces, even jails on the casino grounds!

indians don’t play by the same laws

It's usually not an argument. They say we know, wink, nudge, he's like: you got me, fair play, and then he can't play table games. What happened at the end was pretty crazy.

lawyers powerless outside the court.. cus the cops dont know the law.. and were acting in good faith (the lie they tell for justification on breaking the law, immunity thing).

lmao foreal. When he brought up his lawyer they cashed him out immediately

that'd be awesome

Someone with the intelligence and commitment to learn to count will probably also know the basics of the law around this. I'd be surprised if their bullying is often successful.

They don't care about the money. They're just withholding the cash in an attempt to force steven to hand over his id

its america, everything is about short term profit

They are pathetic weasels it's all about pride

If they allow one dude to do this, several others will come.

@@WadeWilson- Just kick them out, card counters know they can't pull the same trick twice after being booted out, no need to call the cops. That's just plain stupid

I agree 100% but to be entirely fair, you are also perfectly aware that this is the case and that’s the risk you take when you enter the casino

@@loganamurray64 Until you get kicked out for being good.

@@loganamurray64 there's no being 'entirely fair' with casino's. They're a horrible business intent on ripping off every day people but also specifically vulnerable people. They shouldn't exist the way they do right now.

except it isn't a judge ruled it's not

Yeah, that's why they want to kick you out. It doesn't even matter if you are "counting cards", you get 2 lucky wins in a row? You will be asked to leave, and probably prevented from cashing in.

Yup. Only if under arrest in Washington. Here there wasn't even RAS of a crime, as they had not trespassed him and he said he would leave if they did.

What do you mean borderline?? It is robbery.

It is

It is against the law they are allowed to stop you from playing and that’s it

They hold all the chips lol

Might even actually be against the law and they just don't give a shit if there's no one to sue them. (I have no idea about american laws, so maybe it isn't illegal but it could be)

They would just remove blackjack or change the rules if they couldn’t back off. It’s a give and take

Obviously we know who's behind this law. Imagine anyone else, anywhere, being told that keeping track of what's happening in front of them, is illegal! I'd never respect this law. If the casino has an issue, they can refuse service, for any reason.

Sore loser mentality, casino is a business they meant to make money and government loves them. ppl with brain shouldn't be allowed to play their games, simple. Freedom? There is no such a thing, freedom only to a certain extent, ppl in 1st world should have learnt now after this pandemic.

@@shennypen all the things wrong with this statement... It says a lot about you. Garbage people say garbage things.

@@emilyhofland8219 It's not illegal. The casino didn't call the police because they think card counting is illegal. If they think you're counting cards, they just back you off (tell you that you can't play anymore). The casinos called the police because sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between legal card counting and genuine cheating (using a covert computer), and they suspected the latter.

id say "how do you my dick size" then sue him for sexual harassment

@@William47345 nahh that guy chill as hell

What does this mean?

@@zuchini42069 maybe it was the true count

@@zuchini42069 +6 means is a good count

Nah they can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason even racial discrimination isn't illegal as long as it doesn't have to do with hiring it's just generally a bad look and bad for business. So if they decide they don't want you playing thats within their legal rights. Honestly even card counters lose lots of money to casino's, wich just goes to show how stacked the deck is to begin with. Never go into a casino expecting to make money.

@@mannyjohnson8383 doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be legal

Not too sure about that. Having around 1% of players taking home the majority of the winnings of a game feels bad for everyone else. The house wants to get rid of card counters, because it saves them money and actively removing them means they're not going to have to give themselves even better odds in games, which is a bonus for all players. More fun for almost all players since they go broke slower and more money for the casinos.

No you have a dree right to association. You decide who you let into your casino. Not being able to cash chips is illegal

@@NicholasW943 So if the card counters were gone they could give out more money to the bad players?

They know that a card counter starts getting stronger after a few cards have been dealt and has something to count. So they can stop before he starts doing his game and while they are ahead.

Some counters prly loose on purpose sometimes as a strategy

@@stephenbrodie5617 Not like that, no. But yes, some counters do what are called cover plays, which involve doing things counters wouldn't normally do. That's like playing the side bets, betting randomly high one minute and low the next.

Of course. A successful counter is looking for one extremely brief window of opportunity. The casino protected itself before it came up.

Yes. That is obvious. Plants are made of plant. Businesses are interested in keeping their money.

yep same ashaha!

Good and stay far from any gambling sites or casinos ..

haha thank you! Honestly gambling is a dangerous hobby. Would not recommend unless counting 😂

same

@@stevenbridges Yea its better to do swagbucks where you do surveys! If I do that one day in my life, you need to play responsibly!

FR

Hahha same thoughts, Steven just saying "fuck off you are not getting my ID" I could watch it forever

😂

Thank you! :D

I couldnt agree more

They have been targeted lol you know how many casinos are burned down and robbed?

@@ohhkennny766 Answer is: "Not nearly enough of them" LOL

They haven't cheated. Everyone knows the odds are against you. Casinos are just smart to not let people play games when they have negative Ev.

@@onniruusunen9444 Cheated out of your money when you start to do well after losing, then the casino forces you to leave. They don't seem to mind when the money is going in on direction. How many times have there been stories of a casino refusing to pay after a mega slot produces a winner? Can anyone say "Cheated"

No different than bookmakers restricting winners online.

Question, how many decks are in the shoe in US casinos? Also love the vids bro

you are an awesome storyteller and your videos are great

Love the videos, and looks like you're getting good with the titles to draw people in. The fab content is backed up by the good title so hopefully you keep getting the traction you deserve!

Just one thing. When the cops said that if you are doing more than counting cards it's a crime, they were probably alluding to saying that if you are actually cheating (ie using cameras, having a dealer tip cards to you, etc), it would be illegal.

​@@bobjohn2000 Good call on that, i think youre probably right.

Exactly my experience over lifetime.

"Not gonna play games" - My dude. This is an entire business built around playing games. The only difference is they rig the games in their favor, and anyone who manages to find a way to gain the advantage is denied service. It should be illegal to take advantage of less capable people, and giving them free alcohol to make them make poor decisions. But instead we punish the observant people who manage to get lucky... and counting cards is not perfect, it still requires luck.

@@Bancheis it doesn’t require luck. That’s the point. If you play a thousand hands, your small statistical advantage will guarantee a net gain. If you’re at a net loss with a statistical advantage over thousands of games, you might as well have won multiple lotteries in a row in how unlucky you are. I would show you the math but I’m too lazy and you probably don’t care. But again, no luck involved in card counting. You just need to play a shit ton of hands to benefit.

@@blablabla7796 If you are keeping the bets small and playing hundreds of hands, sure. If you start off with a fresh deck and know every card that has already been dealt, sure. If your betting is not too aggressive and you don't lose all your winnings with a bad loss streak, sure. But if there is a bad loss streak when the numbers tell you otherwise, then there has to be some luck involved. Sure, you could probably do the math and find out the maximum you can bet and lose per hand at +5 and still come out ahead, but I still feel there is still going to be an element of luck involved. What works for some might not work for others, and the crazy thing about statistics and calculations about averages is you can easily lose when you expect to win. This is the Gambler's Fallacy, and yes it does apply to Blackjack in the sense that you are expecting to win based on statistics. Gambler's Fallacy is most well known for the Monte Carlo incident where a game of roulette landed on black 26 times in a row. That's a one in 66.6 million chance to happen, yet it did. People lost millions that day because they expected a (roughly) 50/50 chance to balance out and for red to come up more and more as the spins went on. Statistically, red should be coming up more often, absolutely. But if you are working with small sample sizes, and you were unlucky enough to sit down right before this streak started, you probably lost money on it. Counting the cards in successive deals from an unshuffled card deck, sure you can calculate that and win easy. However many casinos counteract card counting by adding more decks to the mix. The average is 6 decks, and some even run 8 decks. This severely impacts your odds, and while it may still be in your favor after a bunch of low cards, the odds don't change so much that you can guarantee high cards come out for you. Especially with others in the hand. There is always a chance the 1 in 66 million is going to happen to you, and with card counting from 6 or 8 decks, your odds are much more likely. Hence the Gambler's Fallacy.

@@Bancheis the point of card counting is to have a statistical edge. You don’t go in with the mindset that a 5% edge over the house and bet your life savings. You bet small and you play over the span of hours over multiple days. You should keep that in mind when card counting. You play so that luck _isn’t_ a factor. That’s the point. Your whole spiel about the gambler’s fallacy doesn’t refute anything I’m saying. I’m not sure why you took time out of your day to say that. Again, you count cards over hundreds if not thousands of hands. You bet a small amount and increase the bet proportional to your edge. You scale your bets vs your total initial investment so that the chance of you zeroing out your funds become as likely as winning the lottery.

the fact that he gives his ID to the police saying “that’s fine, you’re a police officer” shows how inexperienced he is. Police cannot make you give your ID unless you’re suspected of a crime. sure he might not have gotten anywhere without that, but the whole mentality of the police can get ur ID and tell u what to do “Sit Down” is just an error

@@iceswallow7717 Yeah I don't think he was legally required to identify himself to the Police. He wasn't breaking any laws or under suspicion of breaking any laws. I understand that there's a pressure to humanize yourself to Police, but they aren't your buddies. I'm surprised the Cops didn't take the side of the Casino and pressure him with the Trespassing claim, knowing how much sweet tax dollars that Casino probably brings into that area.

Why? It’s not like you’re doing anything against the law. There is no arrestable offence. In fact, he could sue the casino for holding items of monetary value.

@@iceswallow7717 He was at that time suspected of a crime, the police officer told him that.

@@QuibbleTrouble But the problem lies in the ”reasonable” if they suspect you of counting cards that is not reasonable because it is not illegal. Neither is doing it in a group. Wich the officer was insinuating. They have to ARTICULATE what crime it is they suspect you of commiting. He should not have given his ID because they could have easily handed over the information to the casino without steven ever founding out.

Depends on the state. Stop and I.D laws do exist in places.

Thank you! Yeah it just became unmanageable to work on this series and keep uploading magic videos. But I’m glad the work has produced a series people enjoy 😃

I agree, shit I’m not even old enough to enter a casino, but i think it’s neat to watch and see the interactions

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@@stevenbridges you're also showing people where not to play other games too. plenty of casinos that treat people better.

I always wondered how can a casino or dealer know that someone's counting cards. Are there any tells or something? Or how do they know that someone is not counting cards?

and as long as the house is winning they would not care if they took your entire life savings.. but you go up a bit oh he is cheating.. Scumbags..

Exactly. No idea who in their right mind goes into a casino to "play" with their hard earned cash knowing they can't win.

@@fedvvvv addicts for one. and that makes it even more despicable what the casinos are doing

Facts

@@Knucklehead4400 i would be like 6… oh that Floor looks nice… where was I?

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I'm the police in this house. I'd be happy to speak to a police officer.... Top notch response 👌👏well done

Why didn't you tell him he doesn't need to give his info to the police unless he has commited a crime.

So no thoughts about handing his ID over to the cops for no reason? He even said “it’s my right to hand over my ID to the cops” lol?

Very well put

That's casino security.

that was tribe casino employee, not po po

Haha that casino employee is probably fed up of not enough pay and his bosses getting richer.

@@celluskh6009 Unfortunate for that security guard. He just put himself out of a job for sure lol.

Probably tribal police. Folks need to remember when you are in an Indian casino you are not on U.S. territory. You don't have the normal legal protections. He would have been better off simply leaving with his chips and returning the next day to cash them out.

Wasn't there one of the other staff members be like, "we have a police officer right here", too. He should get the same treatment...

its not illegal to impersonate police.

@@jimmythecrow I dunno what country your from but in the US and UK it is.

It’s tribal land

Its a nice creative and funny way to back someone off. I would honestly laugh and probably bullshit with the guy lol

Casinos still retain not only the structures put in place when they were mafia-run, but also the lingo and the attitude of power at the higher levels. Where else can you work with someone whose title is The Pencil?

Casinos certainly contain some scummy parts - by their very nature, they're a 'funhouse' where people go in and essentially siphon off money to the owners. While individuals may get lucky here and there, there are so many people betting so often that the 'long run' is basically consistent, and the long run from the casino point of view is +EV on every game (except niches like - for example - an AP Blackjack player with a high enough count to gain the EV edge). So to begin with, you have a business where they're siphoning off money from everyone, and they usually don't care who. The pensions of the elderly; that poor guy on his last hundred dollars who is so desperate he doesn't care about the odds. They will gladly take every last dollar from people that can't afford to lose said dollars. Individuals within the casino may be decent people, but the business itself is pretty heinous. It's also very profitable - if I could turn off the empathy centre of my brain, and I was a multi millionaire, I'd definitely look at starting a casino or sportsbook (which generally operate in the same way). And because the casino's whole profit structure is based around all the games giving them the edge, they want to squash any interference with that notion immediately - so you get pit bosses, and in some cases, super aggressive pit bosses, who will do whatever they need to to get rid of players who have the edge over them.

They are

They don't just seem like it; they are!

That would make sense since Mafia control of casinos lasted up until the early 80's.

Well not really, it is still a business and you are technically on private property owned by someone. It sucks for us, but you wouldn't really want someone in your living room taking away your money. If they think that you are going to take their money, they don't want u in. What would be twisted is any law which stated that a person can openly disobey and participate in games even after the casino says no, because that means that the property owner loses power over private property, as well as meaning a lot of fights and lawsuits and complications when really the casino has the same right to say no, as u do to tell someone to leave your house.

If you don't want to participate in their scam why would you care if they kick you out

Step one and only step to solve this is, dont go to casino. You going there makes you willing to participate by their rules. They did not come to you and force you to gamble.

I'd like to hear a lawyer's opinion on this. I'm not a lawyer, but I feel the following argument sets an important precedent. This thug says they're providing a service and can refuse to cash out if ID isn't shown. In other words, he's banking on the "It's a service so I can make up whatever rules I want to cash you out". If that's the case, it means he could refuse to cash people out regardless of whether or not ID is shown. This means they can take people's money by telling them they can cash out, then decide not to cash out for whatever arbitrary reason's they choose. This is fraud. I feel like that would be the premise of the argument and laws would need researched and pulled up to back up these assertions.

@@NoNameNoWhere There could be a number of charges brought up against the casino, such as operating as a scam, fraudulent advertising/operating, impersonating a police officer, unlawful collection of personal information, etc, at least one of which that could hold up in court if they had in fact stolen his money and refused him the right to cash out. By law, he was required to show his ID to enter, but "jotting down personal info" could be even seen as identity theft, especially since no law exists mandating that ID is shown to get your money.

That’s partial true but not when suspected of a crime. Only when committing a crime, committed a crime, or was going to commit a crime. There must be reasonable articulable demonstrable evidence. Must be facts not hunches. It’s a joke he gave to Officer which gave to casino as public information. Shame. Weak player. He didn’t stand his ground with officers. He should have left without saying a word and had someone else cashed his chips. Police was “asking” not ordering. Then police may or may not wrongfully violate rights. I would never give up id. Know your rights.

"What is the floor made of?" "Floor"

You mean when they are not scamming you to the degree they expect. Because he was called out even when he was down 3 grand.

@@CalaTec wow I didn’t think of that, that’s messed up to the point where I probably would never go casinos ever when I grow up

​@@sleepingboiz8155 wise choice. Casinos exist because they are profitable for them, NOT you.

Huh ? What is the scam ?

@@exitscreaming4637 the casino, in a way, is making sure you don’t win money or win a small amount, as proof the guy was kicked out cause he won a lotta money for “cheating” so it’s kinda a scam 🤷🏽‍♂️

He had ID (passport) but he knew he didn’t have to turn it over after showing ID to gain entry to the gaming floor. That’s why he kept saying he didn’t have it.

Pretty sure the casinos agree with you that's a good idea

They won't ask as long as you're losing money.

@@dr.floridamanphd Indian tribes can do pretty much as they please on their land. You can't go running to the cops. They _are_ the cops.

@@PervertHeart They don't care if you are winning or losing. What matters is whether you have an advantage. They _want_ winning Joe Blows to stay and play. By definition, winning players have money to lose.

No, you got to show your ID to police as they were called to investing a potential crime and States have rules that you need to be able to identify yourself if needed. This is why all States have State ID's because you don't need a drivers license as proof of ID. However we are a population that drives for the most part so it's common to use that as an ID. I'm suspecting people that might have grown up in NYC or other large cities there might be a bunch that don't ever get a drivers license because they never own a vehicle, thus a State ID. Some States I believe it's free even.

@@Meekerextreme police have to have a reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime first (terry stop) before they can legally compel your ID. Being trespassed isn't a crime and no ID is required, violating a trespass would be different.

@@Meekerextreme You don't have to show any ID card to an officer (if you're not driving). You can identify yourself verbally, by providing name, date of birth... But before any of that, the police need to have a reasonable articulable suspicion that you have committed, are committing, or you're about to commit a crime.

@@Meekerextreme lul cops can't just ID you because they feel like it.

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Reality TV is fake. This is real. If this was on TV the producers or whomever would tell all of the casino staff how to act and what to say and there would be multiple takes.

tv trash is always geared toward the lowest common denominator. also they expect ppl to b tuning in and out randomly along with commercial breaks so you have to sum up ur idea into a very small simplistic catchy pitch while also being dramatic n exciting to hook ppl. The repetition comes from the expectation of ppl to be in and out every 5-10 mins without any clue what they just stumbled into. So basically, tv is engineered to target a horde of drunken toddlers with severe ADHD.

I'm not even a niche audience, this randomly appeared in my recommended videos and I couldn't stop watching.