Pinned because we need answers.

Generally, what side of the Atlantic you're on. Americans use inquire. Brits use enquire.

Inquire is used in formal situations, such as a Public Inquiry. It's also used informally a lot of the time in America, whereas in Britain, enquire is more often used in such informal contexts; such as "May I enquire as to the flavour of your lovely looking scones?"

I@@BenjaminABoyce I think "The Enquirer" is an official American tabloid, while "The Inquirer" is frequently the name for a fake tabloid used in a movie or TV show -- but I'm just guessing here.

I'm not paranoid, but how did you know I have scones??? And yes, they are lovely looking. Ok, if you must know, blueberry lemon.

The IDW was always a meme. The only useful thing they ever did was act as a gateway for some people to go deeper into heterodox ideas. But the IDW was basically just “why can’t we just go back to the 90’s!?” dressed up with a little “academic” sounding jargon.

Among other taboo subjects. In fairness, they had a lot to tackle.

It was too far outside the overton window back in those days. Attempts to cancel JBP were occurring bimonthly. Sam Harris did interview Charles Murray & defended that interview.

You ever notice how the IDW never speaks about IQ group differences unless it's to say that Jews unquestionably have higher IQ than other groups? I wonder why that is

You ever notice how the IDW never talks about group IQ differences except for when they say that a certain tribe (which got this comment shadowbanned when I named the first time) unquestionably has a higher one than other groups. I wonder why that is?

Oklahoma had a chance to make reparations to the last survivors of the Tulsa riots, and they refused - because the people who perpetrated it, and their children who benefited from inheritance, are also still alive, and in the legislature

Democrats passed & enforce Jim Crow. Let them pay for it. It's their legacy.

They should not have given a dime in reparations. Based

@@zimzob The blacks started the Tulsa riots. It's not like there was some conspiracy to demolish the black area of town. If everyone had just stayed home and minded their own business, the "battle of Tulsa" (what it really was) would not have happened.

So called Jim Crow laws (there was no real Jim Crow btw) should not incur reparations. Jim Crow laws were simply laws to maintain segregation, but whites were just as segregated as blacks. Indeed, the purpose of those laws was to segregate white people ONLY. They did not care if peoples of color wanted to mingle with one another.

I see what you mean, however, welfare is given to people of all races so I’m not sure it qualifies as reparations. I’m of the mind that to call for reparations at this point is ridiculous. Immediately after slaves of African ancestry were freed it would have been appropriate but it is too late now. I would consider modern day affirmative action and preferential hiring to be more akin to reparations. Personally, I don’t think any amount of actual reparations would satisfy a community that seems determined to blame any and all of its struggles on slavery and the legacy thereof, which seems to include their own personal choices.

except that every year more is paid than the net that was even arguibly owed.

Perfect.

Very important point, this is where sociologically vital research gets instrumentalized by literal racists.

The source of Woke ideology is explicitly anti-Euro racism - Woke policies weaponise empathy - as a disguise and to recruit support from the non-psychopath populace.

@@Jules-Is-a-Guy-- Or worse, by literal "anti-racists."

Gotta ask: where did you get this data that 'the majority... don't even try to be objective'? Or that they take 'group average statistics and apply them to individuals'? It seems like you are generalizing similar to what you are claiming the 'majority' are doing. Do you have data that the majority dislike individuals because of the statistics of their group? Or which majority are you talking about. If we're talking the woke, I could understand that case. They do seem to attack individuals as racist because of supposed characteristics of groups.

I’m 2:44 in and about to turn it off. His voice is so grating. Id rather listen to RFK. a shame because it seems like this would be interesting

@@rombone1. RFK is much worse .. I’m in pain when I listen to him speak

@@rombone1Bump the speed up. It helps.

Henry kissinger was his speech coach

Yes, you are right, but it's praised as fair because a meritocracy IS self justifying and therefore there appears to be an objective, non parsimonious 'hand' at work. Free Market economics (at a macro scale) is undoubtedly non parsimonious, but applied nationwide the mass of those unable to compete are uncomfortable to live with. The Dunham Kruger effect and the naivity of the less able will inevitably lead to a sense of 'unfairness' with the state being regarded in a similar fashion to parents. So the state buffers the unsuccessful from witnessing the successful. The state becomes confused with the parent.

@@AndyJarman Great point, I think ppl confuse the State for a parent, it rly works better when it's a minimally impositional machine, that doesn't 'care abt you'. Ideally it'd be ok to just have a bare bones social safety net, to keep certain atomized workers from death and total misery. The 'parents' role in society, imo should not be institutionalized (or, nowhere near to the same extent as federal) and should involve organically formed local communities, faith groups if that's your vibe, nowadays so called "non-place based communities" like this one we're commenting on right now, though to a lesser extent for the latter, cause it's not irl.

There is a fundamental flaw in the parents concept - there is vastly more female participation in the public sector, and those women use their job as a surrogate parenting role for the public and their staff. This MIGHT be OK but many women are quite authoritarian and don't appreciate that they are exchanging legitimate concern for their job with emotional obligation for their children... the expansion of the state to the "parents" is completely inappropriate at the best of times, but it's even more dangerous at the worst of times (which is now). The state cannot stop you from ruining your life with drugs or crime. It cannot stop you ruining your life with laziness. It will fail if it tries. It can only punish your crimes, when and if they happen. They cannot provide any positive reinforcement without providing perverse incentives that interrupt free choice and capitalism.

This discussion turned out to be one of the most constructive I've ever seen. Good job boys.

Agreed, I've seen a decent amount of content with him and he always came across to me as well-meaning and open-minded.

This is true but you have to try and conceptualize how many people there are below average, it’s a lot.

@@soulfuzz368 I hear you but right now I'm more afraid of this possible 10% of the global population that are sociopaths and psychopaths influencing the hearts and minds of the lot of us.. Lol. My hierarchy comment was meant to say that this I.Q. difference is not that noticeable as life goes so don't sweat where your ethnicity is in that model. It's not like our ethnicity is going to hold us back in any real way. I could be very wrong

@@soulfuzz368yes and how do we raise the below average up..? That seems like an impossible task

​@@brianmeen2158Well embryo selection used with polygenic risk scores seems very promising.

@@matelunddunlap2770 that still won’t change the fact that there will be people below the average on the distribution. Maybe overall we can imagine a future where all people are more intelligent but there will always be variation.

The degree of difference doesn't really matter does it? If you ringfence a population and find it has on average different characteristics that others, surely that's the very definition of a race?

You are mistaken. 110 to 112 is what the totality of the evidence points to for full blood Ashkenazis (and the number of pure breds is dropping like a rock, and Ashkenazi performance is falling with it), higher if you look at verbal only. I know there are a few people who try to argue against it. I have given them a hearing and they are full of crap, or at least they have a poor understanding of the subject.

Einat Wilf points out that Jews in Israel and in the Knesset often disagree on politically salient aspects of "what it means to be Jewish", so there's a lot of logical rational arguing going on, more heated than the US Congress, but with mutual civil respect for each other or for the process, at the end of the day. Not head chopping for blasphemy. The downside is, a tendency for specious socialist arguments, which are often untrue or crazy, but have some internal logical consistency. Such as Queer Theory, Gayle Rubin, Judith Butler.

A lot of the data indicating the IQ disparity is quite dubious. See LAC's video on it. At best the IQ differential is closer to 1-2 IQ points with a slant of about 10-15 points in favor of verbal intelligence for Ashkenazis. This makes their IQ nearly equal to Whites in every other metric.

That leather apron video and the verbal tilt meme are both hallmarks of dumb jq research.

"Am I anti fat ppl? Do I want to round them up or something?" - LOL! Just in case, if you run for president, I'm going on a diet!

It's the trans argument repeated. Dysfunction is abnormal, but the Queering project is to centre the margins.

I suppose it depends on if you view deafness illness.

@@Gingerblaze it is a handicap, whether or not it is an illness.

But if you are not "stupid of dangers," then you are not being color blind in that context!

You can't treat everyone as an individual, especially in one-off or short term interactions. That's just a hilariously impractical fantasy. Heuristics must be used.

Sadly, the approach we are demanded to take, IS indeed one of focus on race, but don't be "ist".... treat them as a representative of a larger group who look the same, so share that same opinion on all things political / social... and to ignore the inherent biological instincts that are built into human DNA, as well as honed much sharper over thousands of years of evolution. Add to this, additional or even relaxing those more hardened instincts, depending on the specific environment we are at any given point in time. We have learned for a bunch of reasons, the inherent risk of walking down a dark alley at 2AM in the morning, as that DNA, biological drive of self-protection, as well as ingested content from news or others (fairly representative or not)... must be considered, lest greater risk of [fill in the blank] be the case. Does not mean one WILL experience consequences of that risk, but we are told to ignore them, so as not to appear "ist" . Best example as of late, was the lady who unlocked the door for a man who was 100 lbs her senior, covered neck in low-quality [ink] pretty much guaranteed to be gotten in a certain place and did not live to tell the story. Hindsight is always 20/20, but the warning signs she intentionally ignored, were there for a reason and paid the ultimate price for ignoring them. Other examples, but comes back to how "color blind" has been conflated with "hate" if you consider factors that one may not even be able to give voice, but for just a feeling. . To act in a manner in which we fear to be accused of being [-ist], for adhering, is to deny the very fiber of our being.

Good work, Drew!

Way to go!

@@BenjaminABoyce I absolutely ador these whte IQ pseudoscience discussions, they are hilarious. LOL!!!😂😂 You people just refuse to admit that you are racist and try to cover your behavior with race realism and pass it off as just "science." Cheers!🍸

@@BenjaminABoyce I have a question Benjamin, why are you guys afraid to admit that you are racist? Why beat around the bush? Cheers!🍸

@@BenjaminABoyce Well, I guess you won't reply to my simple question Benjamin. You "so called" high IQ people are hilarious. Cheers!🍸

There are other biases than literally how the test is graded. For example, IQ tests in Africa would be more representative of malnutrition and childhood trauma than the natural potential of Africans. The difference is of course less pronounced in America, but the claim that the difference is solely due to racial genetics hasn't been proven.

@@thomaslacroix6011 I will always hope to find that this is the correct view. I'm certainly no expert in the field, but it seems a fair question to ask. If the test questions are somehow biased in one direction (as many apparently claim), it must be possible to rewrite them in such a way that they're biased in another. I'm not sure by "how the test is graded." I thought the questions themselves are said to be problematic.

@@Christmas-dg5xcI jumped in at the middle point, so I might have lost some context. Anyways, I think the bias in the questions is a red herring. No matter how accurate an IQ test is, it doesn't test genetic IQ, because genetics is never the only factor that's different between different individuals. So when comparing races using IQ, you're not just comparing possible genetic differences, but also cultural and environmental differences that can be changed. "Race realism" in that sense often muddy the waters by claiming the IQ difference between races is set in stone.

I wouldn't disagree with him about the nepotism if I hadn't heard it straight from their mouths time and time again. Some of them even complain about the nepotism because they're not part of the right club to be let in on it. I'd say more but you know.

@@thomaslacroix6011"it [an IQ test?] doesn't test genetic IQ, because genetics is never the only factor" I'm not sure what this means. Did you mean to say exactly this?

Epigenetics and Trauma's affect on self image.

It is also genetically influenced

@@soulfuzz368 epigenetics means poverty and trauma over generations has an effect on genes.

@@Gingerblaze except it’s mostly nonsense.

​@Gingerblaze yeah you'd have to prove that though. First you'd need to prove the efficiency that it is transfered between gens and map the likelihood of it carrying through multiple gens. This is without adding in the likelihood that later gens will have different food conditions. You'd then have to prove that's how a significant amount of groups react and what the significant attributes of the diet are. Then you'd have to do familial diet tracking anytime you'd want to point this out for someone over anything else. It could turn out that easier attributes are found after proving all of that, but not necessarily. It's just so much to prove to actually rely on, and frankly I'd have doubt without investigating much further into the topic myself

Israel is an apartheid state because they explicitly make plans to preserve the Jewish ethnic majority, while keeping the Arab minority to point to as proof they aren't apartheid. and there is nothing wrong with this, of course they're correct that if Arabs become the majority, they would massacred the jews. The only problem is that jews demand open borders for USA and Europe but not Israel.

Even that may be unethical. If success is measured in financial wealth, does this mean both parents are committing their time to working at somethimg which is earning money? If so, who is caring for and raising their children?(at the expense of spending their time raising their own) Over time, how does that impact on genetics of the different groups?

Actually, the answer has recently been invented, it's called embryo selection. Ppl do not yet realize how important it's gonna be.

What planet do you live on dude. And YES indeed Thomas Sowell has a high IQ he said it in his Autobiography lol. Why would a racist system give Blacks +230 points. 🤔 Your perspective on this will only cause you to build resentment and possibly develop racist attitudes not a good place to end up my man. Culture, and history definitely impacts IQ much more than genetics. Finally, are you implying that Black Australians i.e. indigenous Australians are comparable to Blacks in North and South of the Americas and Africa? Now, if you're going to classify indigenous Australians as Black then you might as well classify Indians as black too lol... But I guess that wouldn't fit nicely into our simple narrative.

I was an it’s the culture person before I found this comment. Thanks.

I’m shocked that they blame systemic racism for the differences .. I’ve never heard that reason used before

We just massively expanded how is it a bottleneck to slightly contract

It is not the craftiest or the swiftest who survive, but the best adapted.

Having pride in something someone the same race as you did is about as makes about as much since to me as being proud of something someone did because you have the same eye-color or height. It's weird. You probably aren't very closely related to them and don't even know them. You just have some similar features.

True. I know a few highly neurotic people and the damage that causes is immense.

I don't think that is ever going to be do - able. Too many genes, each with very tiny (and multiple) effects, and the technology will probably never become truly precise. For every edit, it creates a bunch of incidental mutations. That might be worth risking for one gene of large effect, but not for a bunch of genes with individually tiny effects.

@@michaels4255 a good and fair point, but i do believe they have done some minor gene editing on people around 30 years ago. It was nothing massive if i recall, but if they did, there is a starting point. Combine that with lab rats and other test beds, map it out, and probably about 20-30 years, and you could have a significant road to start on. Input an A.I. for predictive modeling and oh the wonders to be.

​@@michaels4255 Correct, and it isn't genes that dictate every aspect of who and what we become; editing genes would have certain effects, yet not enough to utterly alter someone's personality. Therefore, you couldn't just gene-edit your way to superhumanhood.

It's because multiculturalism is taught. As if all cultures are equal. People don't know sone cultures are more successful than others which is not necessarily racial. For example, pre 1960s, bot whites and blacks accepted English culture and both were very successful in family, morals, and general life stability.

Yes, there are other ingrained beliefs. other than my example, that could thwart a majority from hearing the argument.

Equal in what sense? I think it's assumed equal means equally able, not equally valuable.

@@jannyjt2034"very successful" - but not *equally* successful. The gap is always there.

I don't think those are safe assumptions. People are definitely not equally able, and because of this, even doing the same task, not equally valuable. I think it simply refers to rights as a conscious living human, of the unalienable type, given by God, that no other human can revoke.

​@@redrumaxWhen someone complains about diversity, propagandists use those complaints to legitimize DEI.

The USSR is a perfect example of how a dysfunctional system can limp for a long time causing pain and suffering. DEI isn't as bad as communism, for now, but it's foolish to believe it won't cause a lot of damage before it's done. Doing nothing isn't an option.

@@redrumax Every backlash against diversity is labeled by those supporting diversity as an attack against minorities coming from racists bigots. I don't believe that kind of tactic works as well as it used to, but that was a popular strategy.

@@thomaslacroix6011what other system should replace DEI? Pure merit based?

@@brianmeen2158 If you want to create opportunities for those who need it, real metrics should be used, such as education level, socioeconomic background, economic status, physical or mental disabilities and other similar factors. Any measure also needs to be oriented as a path to success based on your actual potential with reasonable compromises, not as free stuff or priority access.

Yes, Thomas Sowell deals with this a lot. Personally, I'm not against the concept of a social safety net for example, and I'm sort of agnostic on how far that goes. However, I think there are all kinds of negative downstream effects of failing to sufficiently prioritize meritocracy. It's tough, ppl often don't want to exist in perpetual competition, and to be largely driven by market incentives, especially bad ones. If this social dynamic completely dissolves local cultures and communities, it's only at that point that I yield to the Conservative argument, that it's gone too far. But I still find this to be the most realistically implementable philosophy (with some caveats) and rubric for society and governance, that's why I'm a slightly Libertarian, Classical Liberal.

@jannyjt If you are a blk woman, then I am Genghis Khan. LOL!!!!😂😂😂😂 Cheers!🍸

That's insightful, but of course they're coming from different political positions. What should be done abt the social problem, if anything? They"d have different answers. Also I think I'd disagree somewhat with Murray (and obviously with Kendi) just because Murray's identified this phenomenon, doesn't guarantee that assimilation on something like the classic definition, will completely fail in the near future. (He expressed this concern in an Aporia discussion).

Kinda, yeah. Kendi and pals essentially say that certain listed attributes that they claim constitute "whiteness", such as logic, reason, intellect, less impulsiveness or more self-control of impulsiveness, etc also constitute SYSTEMIC RACISM because of the disparate outcomes for Blacks who are on average, not individually, less likely to be able to work with the high standards that embody "whiteness". That's basically what Charles Murray argues. "Science must fall" is a protest to abolish empiricism and the scientific method (of dis-proof of faulty hypotheses), and replace those with favored narratives, accept unacceptable imprecision, and perhaps place racial sensitivity and appreciation over rigorous standards and debates. CRT or critical legal studies essentially argues that Black violent crime is normal, so criminal justice with equal treatment is racist. Some Whites and Js and others do the same, and sometimes worse, BUT are not blatantly arguing for more of that as a preference for human society.

@@gg_rider i cannot imagine what type of system or society we would have if Kendi got his way .. last I heard he wanted black students to be graded not on their performance on the test but their “willingness to learn”.. that is so bizarre to me and how would you even measure one’s desire to learn? Charles Murray just did an interview with Jon stossel and it was pretty interesting

@@gg_riderwait, CRT teaches that black violent crime is normal? I’m still confused as to what society CRT wishes to create if they had their way…?

@@brianmeen2158 in golf, it's called a handicap. I think Kendi is really telling a hidden truth about what he really thinks when he argues that academic excellence is White Supremacy.

All you have to do to see how many people equality kills is look at Communism and how many people they kill for being better or smarter than others. Let's not pretend that idea doesn't have blood on its hands.

So, there was an article a few years ago covering Winegard’s troubles in academia, and one commenter referred to exactly this obtuseness as “moral idiocy.” That has since then stuck with me as a very apt description of this particular ideology.

I can see how society at large accepting race realism could cause some issues. Most people aren't intelligent enough to grasp the differences between differences between groups and differences between individuals. However, when White and Asian students are being denied opportunities because of hyper egalitarian policies, discussions need to be had.

@@bradfordlangston836 There are no white or Asian students unable to attend college, even highly ranked colleges, or get jobs because of their race. Private universities are just that-private institutions with their own mission and values and theory of how they want to impact the world. Many people may not like their mission or values, but they are not obligated to operate in any particular manner, within the law, just as in the past they admitted whomever they chose according to however they defined worthiness. There is no lack of educational or professional opportunity that this ideology would provide for.

​@@AriD2385I'm just deeply bothered by the fact that they would argue for affirmative action on the basis that it will eventually help groups become equal, but then accuse people of racism when those gaps don't close. I'd just like those schools to be honest about why they're accepting higher proportions of Black and Hispanic students than a pure meritocracy would warrant.

Wrote my comment half way through. Glad some of my concerns were adressed in the second part. Still... Id like to have some more evidence and demonstration of this whole supposedly "demonstrated" intelligence difference between "races".

I agree with you. PRETENDING that men are equal in their potential (an idea that was first articulated by Western intellectuals in the 17th and 18th centuries) when in reality they are not equal will destroy our civilization.

Like Coleman, though no longer following him as close as once did (to many other creators consuming my time), but Sam was one to which I followed pretty close for a number of years. Like many, his Cheeto Man vs. OBL vs H man, quite a few years ago now, was something I was not sure he had in him. He was since early on, clearly infected with TDS, but at that time, I was not yet aware of just how debilitating it actually is. Of course, I have seen the depths of it since 2020 (not seen how deep it CAN go, at this point!), but Sam just continues to double down against the principles he once stood very much in favor and 1a being chief among them. I am no scholar on issues of the unwell mind, but never have I born witness to the debilitating nature of that particular affliction. My own mother has it and since it is literally beyond comprehension that it is possible that anyone could support him, our relationship has gotten quite strained. I am willing to have normal rational discussions with her about anything, but if the subject matter comes within 500 intellectual miles from his name EVEN being mentioned... she will bring it up herself, begin shaking like a stage 5 Parkinson's patient and say..."that man is [equivalent to a very warm being who lives at the center of the earth] and..."we cannot talk about him.... we cannot talk about him...." over and over. . Went a bit off topic there, sorry... lol

@@NinjaKittyBonks I get what you mean, Sam gets lots of criticism, I at least partly agree, with at least some of the criticism. With Trump, I can definitely acknowledge he's done some good things (such as Abraham Accords) I would just prefer someone less demagogic, amoral, and technically criminal do those same things, and many Conservatives say the same. The main reason I can't vote for Trump is that he wants to abolish term limits, this would be a deal breaker for me with any candidate, left or right. But at this point, voting against him (by voting for Biden) to me is like taking a medication with side effects. He keeps the whole machine that Yarvin describes working, at least better than many ppl realize, (or whatever cabal pulls his strings does, anyway,) but the 'side effects' are getting relatively severe, from things like Afghanistan, to woke issues, to the lack of an immigration policy. I'm between goddam Biden, and not voting, leaning towards just checking out. I was, and remain a pretty big Andrew Yang fan, in spite of a couple minor points of disagreement. Of course, a decent candidate is impossible, welcome to America!

​@@Jules-Is-a-Guy ... I too have problems with Trump, but rather rather than break them all down, suffice to say... desperate times require desperate measures. There is simply no way a politician can fix society, but POTUS can overturn the multitude of massive blunders that have catapulted the US downhill since day one of current one's admin. Even though Cheeto Man is first and foremost a business man and POTUS is really a business arrangement, NONE of what we see will be fixed, until those who have abandoned the foundational values of the West... embrace them again. There is simply no possible way a society can be sustained, as it is currently. We have probably 8% of the entire Western world, whom are 100% committed to its utter ruin, in the hopes that utopia will just spring up out of the earth, we will all own nothing and be happy. . I support Trump, because we need someone who is willing to sacrifice the entirety of a political future and burn every bridge necessary to turn this nation around to a direction that works. There is no perfect solution and not one person, including Trump can do all that needs to be done, nor do it in a way we will all agree. I will not even go so far as to say ..."lesser of two evils", as Trump is not evil, he is mostly just an ahole, who is not capable of keeping his mouth shut or thumbs idle, when the opportunity arises to say something poopy about political rival or fool. . All that said, I have big issues with Trump over some of the 2a issues he has supported, but OVERALL... his policies were monumentally better than current. If not for TDS (overwhelming number of issues are outright fabrications) Trump is, in the end... a populous. As exceedingly unlikely as it is he makes POTUS again (entirely different conversation as to why I believe this), it is my hope that Vivek be his VP. I really like Vivek and I believe he has the stones to get in Trumps face and shut down the multitude of stupid things he will say or hit "send" on social media, to make it a smoother ride than last time. . I could give probably 25 examples of the top of my head, but need look no further than a couple days ago. Trump uses [red-cell fluid in human body + tub] for a perfectly common use of the term, that has been used hundreds of time over just the last decade, but maliciously stripped of context. This action is deliberate and is kibble for TDS sufferers to "add to the pile" of other reported thing's he has said, to further cement his being "evil". One does not even have to be a Cheeto Man supporter, to take the overwhelming number of items in that pile, to take an objective eye and realize that 90% are maliciously stripped of context, two parts of a speech, with middle removed or simply NOT playing the last sentence of the statement (See "Very fine people" and "grab them by the p****) for textbook examples. . I am not an apologist for Trump, but I detest lies, regardless of where the originate. I have my bias, just as every person whom ever has, does or will exist. However, I will always engage in the conversation to challenge or put my bias to the test and will own it, should I be proven or shown to be wrong. America needs what no other politician will sacrifice to accomplish. What is unknown... is if Trump has the will and enough support to get those things that require it, done.

@@NinjaKittyBonks. TDS is why I don’t want Trump to win again. He literally drives half of the country insane. I don’t want Biden to win either though

It's Marxism without the economics dimension.

Perhaps the Dutch didn't like it either when Harlem started changing.

Always keep a second browser open you're not logged into here with to verify.

Yes, I have been burned, but as crazy as it sounds, "sorting" newest brought the vast majority of them back. I am forced to think that YT has a "top comments" option, to remove all but the most popular (highest number of replies and probably 👍received), though this is just my suspicion. I have another issue, but simply talking about it, proves to be detrimental, so I will leave this here.

Is a woman more likely to avail herself to an NBA player or an accountant? In the end. whatever women want is what is valued

@@annarboriter That depends on the women's social circle and background. This doesn't happen in a vacuum. The women who is more likely to date an accountant would be from a different social circle than the women who dates a NBA player.

Get yer head out of yer arse, arsehoal.

As a conservative, I reject your entire premise.

Because liberalism is everywhere and pervades everything, and conservatives get frustrated with it and want to point it out to people who are like fish who don't understand they are living in the water.

@@tux1968-- Well, he is the Ultimate Reductionist.