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That would be a great idea.

First hero that sprung to my mind.

That would work amazingly. I always felt she was… slightly out of place as a batman villain- but she’d be perfect as a nightwing villain

Okay, but the amount of innuendo if she interacted with a guy called "Dick" would probably pierce the pages of the comic.

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@@rodneylindsey849 that’s exactly what I was thinking lol

@@rodneylindsey849 Hope the writers are scrolling the comments, bc this is a great idea!

I think the flash they both love speed it be a constant race battle

Rocket kites

Where there's a will there's a way lol

@@CasuallyComics hope u see my comments

Watch the Birds of Prey episode of Batman: Brave and the Bold. There's a musical number which is non-stop sexual entendres start to finish: "Aquaman's always courageous / His little fish less outrageous," while she wiggles her finger.

@@NoJusticeNoPeace But that episode didn't air in the USA.

@@Blokewood3 You can find it on KZfaq. I'd post a link, but I think this channel blocks URLs. I can't even put it in a playlist for people because (ironically enough) KZfaq won't allow you to put videos deemed to be "for children" into playlists.

Consider also the extremes taking risks can be pushed to in a superhero setting; not just crime, but the methods of doing them. Magic. Experimental tech. Genetic modification. Roxy still wanting that safety net & not wanting anyone to get hurt makes for a great push-and-pull. Like, the moment Sasha said “Green Lantern,” my brain went “Have her steal a ring.” The rocket might be iconic for her, but it’d be so much more of a thrill to really, truly *fly* out there. The disregard for her own safety could also very easily lead her into a sympathetic henchman role, like if a more science-y villain gave her superpowers but they’d become dangerously unstable without a certain medication; not wanting anyone else to be hurt by her, Roxy would be forced to go along with that villain’s schemes. We could see some moments of grounded reality setting back in with moments like the Catwoman fight, with Roxy hootin’ & hollerin’ over her victory only to look at the wreckage where her opponent landed as the smile slips off her face, she cautiously calls out a few times, and then runs over in a panic trying to dig them out. Alternatively, a moment when she decides to cut & run because a job’s gotten out of hand (either her boss has become a danger to *her* or someone is going to get legitimately hurt,) and we see just how scared she is under the mask; the hero leans out of their cell saying if she’s leaving anyway she should free them, while Roxy’s all “That’s your thing. Me? I don’t wanna wake up dead over this,” but also having a serious internal debate over whether to risk her own neck to help someone while she has the chance. She’d never be a good vigilante because she wouldn’t want to be picking fights with people-seems more of a practical “get out while I can” type, even if she’d normally realize it was time to bail after getting a few miles in too deep-but she could work really well in the shades of grey.

But guys, she has a rocket thingy. That's kinda cool. I think it's cool

I want to see Matt Reeves utilize Roxy this way.

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I'm imagining Christina Hendricks "hotwiring" a plane to help the squad get to the next location on the mission.

That would be awesome, even in the TNBA episode she’s not really a villain she just does it for the thrills.

And a running gag could be that she keeps surviving missions.

She'd be a great anti-heroine! But I guess that's what MOST of the Suicide Squad members are, right? Though, I think the Suicide Squad members are more corrupt, evil, or vile than Roxy is, so I don't know about that. Or just heroine that used to be bad like you said!

That's the niche she should try to inhabit. One-shot/fill-in issues, she shows up, turns the town on its head pulling a adrenaline pumping heist. Make the book feel like a stunt show, the prefect palette cleanser.

What would the story be about ?

*checks IMDB* Aww, she's not in the upcoming Kite Man: Hell Yeah! animated show.

Hell yeah

Nightwing does have a thing for red heads.

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Wonder Woman and Roxy Rocket

YES!

Roxy: "Whoo! I cannot believe that I managed to pull off that heist! Giant gem, and no heroes to chase me! I wonder what they must be up to?" Meanwhile, the JLA: Fighting another Crisis on Earth *Insert Number Here* Roxy: "Honestly, this ain't fun anymore, 3 heists and clean getaways in." 5 minutes later: Roxy walks back into the bank, places the jewels in front of the bank teller, (awkwardly): "I'm here to make a deposit. Get some overhead cameras while you're at it."

@@utubrGaming that is very accurate

@@utubrGaming honestly that would make for an interesting if funny moment where you could explore her dynamics with various heroes and villains.

Ridiculous. It's like there was a logical thought and then you guys put way too much thought into these characters having sex. That's not worth a story

She a gal more interested in the chase than the reward. I can see her as a gun for hire or in her case fly for hire. I think he'll fit more with flash's rogues gallery than batman's. She's way happy to be a batman villain.

I think they kinda did make it work with livewire. Shame she never got more popular

At least Roxie is not at all a Harley clone, right?

I think a part of Harley success was she added to an already great villain and was shown to be very interesting with or without him. So rocket had a harder time as she needed to stand all by herself for her first outing.

She showed up in White Knight, if I recall correctly. Then again, that book has a lot of references to BTAS.

I think the thing is Harley's supposed to be sexy but also a bit obnoxious. Live Wire dialed up the obnoxious part, so she wasn't as popular, but is still well remembered. Roxie was just a step too far in the other direction.

Tom Taylor is another writer who i feel is quite good at that.

Don't forget how many original villains Grant created for his Batman run: Prof. Pyg, Flamingo, Dr. Hurt, the Club of Villains, Leviathan, Dr. Daedalus, and the 99 Fiends. It's a shame Pyg is the only one that took off.

Also, James Gunn with Peacemaker, Polka Dot Man, Bloodsport, etc.

@@bluebrain7009 and starlord.

Mr freeze is the difininitive example

Which Green lantern though

@@lonemotheomatshaba9640 Hal mainly I’d say, because of the Rocket/Airplane connection. But I’d also be interested in seeing her interact with Kyle or Jessica, as that could be interesting. I can just picture an interesting love triangle with Hal, Carol, and Roxy though.

Could be cool I remember in the animation series I found she was a better fit for Superman in that one episode than Batman. I like the character but she doesn’t fit in the Batman universe.

@@zeroxwarrior Yeah, Superman would make more sense than Batman to me too. Flying through the city on a rocket does just seem more up Supe’s alley. She could kidnap Jimmy or Lois and take them on a joyride through Metropolis to get Supe’s attention lol. I think she’d have more of a chance of being a long term GL villain just because the GL Corps don’t have quite the variety that Supes and Bats do (GL villains tend to mostly be alien despots and/or rival lantern corps. At least that’s how it seems sometimes), but I can think of some fun Superman stories to tell with her too.

@@lonemotheomatshaba9640 All of the human ones, but mostly Hal.

I think it would make more sense to turn her into a nemesis/love interest role for Blue Devil, his Catwoman. Blue Devil is a Hollywood stuntman who got fused into his homemade animatronic devil suit built for a movie by an actual demon who hit him with a magical blast. Having the same job, they probably knew each other, and possibly even worked with each other.

I can see her being a Ted Kord Blue Beetle villain.

@@NoJusticeNoPeace Totally forgot about Blue Devil- good catch!

Why Ted Kord specifically?

@@toganium4175 I would think that his Beetle ship would make a fine prize for Roxie- that and the fact that I think their personalities might play off of each other, especially if Ted is written as he was in his team ups with Booster Gold.

This!!

How else do you get those unstable radioactive chemicals from point A to B?

That's a great idea ☺️

That would be cool!

Something like that was my thought as well. Rather than a stand-alone villain, she could work better as a "support villain/villain for hire", where other villains get her to help in their schemes.

Idea: let's say Teen Lantern actually becomes an official GL and gets her own ring. That leaves the gauntlet abandoned and Roxy gets it and uses it as the ultimate thrill seeking device. She's not a villain, like she's not out to hurt anyone but her antics often puts her in the path of various GLs, sometimes with, sometimes against

Maybe have her be a member of the suicide squad. Make her the one that constantly jeopardizes the mission just so that she can have a rush.

She could be a Green Lantern.

@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 well green lantern candidate, but she could have rejected the ring or be rejected by it because either the green lanterns police force gig is not really to her style, with the rules and codes not being a good fit for her free spirited nature, or her more selfish impulses make her unworthy, since roxy would more than likely misuse the rings power in a heartbeat. she might even reject it because...its too safe. too much power. the risk just isn't there for her with the ring to give her the thrill and taste of danger she craves. which could make for an interesting dynamic with hal, a veteran who also at one point in his career did break the codes and did go very bad indeed. while he did reform, i imagine the second roxy ended up with the green ring, the guardians and hal get concerned about the possibility of her going bad like he once did. the difference is roxy was already one with villainous tendancies and also she has not the agressive scale of ambition or imagination that hal possessed when he went bad. roxy does no misuse the ring to try and rebuild her whole city, then go on a killing spree when she gets told no. she uses it how someone who has such low criminal ambitions might...stealing alien tech for her rocket, and robbing jewelry stores, eventually growing board with the ease the powers give her so she either goes bigger or starts actively taking very risky jobs that actually put her under serious risk. hal chasing her and trying to stop her then could become a mixture of trying to stop her and her crime spree and also save her before she ends up losing the proverbial game of chicken with herself and ends up in too deep.

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Roxy and Stargirl would make for a fun dynamic.

We still have talia al ghul

I think the problem is that many of his villainesses make sense as anti-heroes. If we want a female villain we need one that’s pure evil and doesn’t have redeeming qualities. Like Roxy. She of course can have a tragic backstory however like his male villains it turns her into a completely horrible person

15:25 exactyl!

The problem is every villain has a reason (even the real world ones), and every writer thinks it has to be a good one, but not every motivation has to be moral or even intellectual.

Honestly yeah, I vastly prefer the likes of Poison Ivy being a villain. DC Superhero Girls of all things portrayed her perfectly and explained why she's a villain on the first place: she's not really an environmentalist, she ONLY cares about plants, that's it, she doesn't care about animals or other biomas, and that added to her anti social behavior makes her a pseudo mass shooter in making

I'm surprised she never appeared in either the show or Tie In Comics.

Deadshot's suicide squad association kinda removes him from being a batman villain.

Wonder-Woman already had Dr. Psycho, who has a similar thing going on already. (and has actual super powers, unlike Jervis). Mad Hatter was created during the Silver Age for Batman since he needed villains with stupid gimmicks to meet the requirements of the comics code. Once that constraint was no longer needed, he evolved into a pretty interesting character, who is still somewhat a Batman villain (though he rarely gets out unless it's during someone else's Asylum break) but also a frequent Suicide Squad Alumni (and one of their more unexpectedly brutal and effective members).

Mike Rosoft@ yes and no, batman can't seem to leave them alone as he's tried to shut them down before.

A lot of other hero's villains are better known as Batman villains like Green Arrow's Clock King

@@plushiesdx Or Teen Titans' Vigilante and Deathstroke.

The fanfics practically write themselves...In practice, it would probably go down the same road as Harley, with the two (fraternal twins, maybe?) gaining agency from Two-Face's abusive domination...

@@HandofOmega They could have him be an actual surprising good boss to them. Maybe they managed to win a permanent reprieve from any future coinflip punishment by giving him two flips each when first hired or something.

Yeah they could work really well, since not all rogues need to clash with Batfam yet clashing with other rogues/villains. If anything start up a mercenary company keep it grounded and overall legit.

I've always loved the DeeDees. And not _just_ because of the Rule 34 lesbian twincest.

WdCain I agree with you sugar and spice In Batman forever were intriguing characters and were underrated and forgotten about See those characters were perfect for 2 face cause yeah both sides He had the best of both worlds good and evil angel and demon lightside dark side ID sugar being maligbeing moonlight side the sweet one the angel of spice what's the demon Wild one And sugar being sensual romantic and spice Being wild rough sexual Just like the Ginger and Mary Anne from Gilligan island You had the Slut And the VirginGinger being the sexy one Marianne being the original 1 the angel 1 the innocent 1And Ginger being me sexual one being PermiscuousBut if you noticed on that show show how Gilligan treated Mary Ann and GingerBut if you noticed on that show show how Gilligan treated Mary Ann and GingerMary Ann he treated like like a partner a woman with respectAs an equal but Ginger he was frightened by because because she was so beautiful and he is a nerd like meBut he was awkward around them bothI'm debate who would Ginger or Marion end up withThe professor or GilliganGinger was attracted to Gilligan because because he didn't treat her like the sex object or H or a trophyHe Treated and behaved around her her like every nerd would treat her like a goddessKnowing he will never have her because of his ugliness but his insecurity is what attracted Ginger to himAnd with Maryann he treated more like a sister sister family he cared about her too much to be romanticSo ending the debate right here Marianne and the professor Ginger and GilliganHusbands and wives married by the captain skipper yes he is the only one on the islandWho has the legal authority the highest authority on the island to marry them hes the captain of a shipAnd all my seas and someone wanted to marry the captainWas the highest authority and that's how someone is married by the highest authority in the landOr on the sea the highest authority is the captainLet's happen throughout the entire history of humankindSo agree with you WDCain

I like it but the only issue I see is that flash is just on another plane of existence compared to a character like Roxy. For her to be any kind of threat she'd have to have super speed. But most flash villains have super speed and that's just gets boring after a while.

@@megan_alnico yeah I can see that

@@megan_alnico Flash is a lame character.

@@tomcruisenukedmyaccount5388 what do you mean by that

Wonder Woman is as strong as Superman, a better fighter than Batman (by Batman's own admission), can fly, is largely bulletproof, and is a speedster behind only Flash and Superman on the Justice League. Do you really think a flirtatious stuntwoman with slightly above-average athletic skills on a rocket bike is going to give Wonder Woman enough challenge to last beyond a single panel? Maybe she could team up with Condiment King and Kite-Man.

I could see her as a criminal courier and opening a story for WW, but as a main villain she doesn't offer any risk to Diana.

This is what I was thinking. They could have a lesbian dynamic. A non-flying, 70s TV like Wonder Woman is the right power level and set for her. Maybe Wonder Woman should have to build up to high power. Overpowered characters are boring. I think lack of reality is a big reason why DC characters struggle. Also, WW needs her secret identity back.

@@NoJusticeNoPeace See my above comment.

i'd say hollow you know he's gonna win at least with death being a revolving door the heroes do lose at least temporarily in stories but hal's always gonna be the head lantern to them

I think this is worth exploring.

Penguin reforming and becoming an upstanding citizen did technically happen, in the DCAU, but he went back to becoming a villain, because of Bunny Vreeland or some relative of hers

Some of the Penguin's best stories show off just how truly rotten to the core Oswald is. Remember that time he bought a slave girl so she could be his personal therapist, only to tire of her and return her to the market? No, Oswald can never reform as a person... But I *really* like the idea of him reforming as a businessman. Make him a Lex Luthor style 'untouchable elite' that challenges Bruce via moves against Wayne Enterprises, in ways that can't be solved just by beating people up. If you think about it, Penguin really has potential to be Batman's most dangerous foe.

I love the Looney Tunes idea

Grant Morrison updated Bulleteer for his Seven Soldiers of Victory miniseries.

There are a limited number of villain types who can be more than just another job, and those slots were filled long ago.

Good question, this should be a KZfaq video. Can new writers/characters overcome those slots that were filled long ago or is there more roles to be filled?

I think it's because there's just nothing new a villain could do to make Batman solve a problem in a new way. Since "because I'm Batman" seems to be enough for any problem.

DC management are in love with the ones they have?

You have to keep in mind that Batman's original rogues gallery was filled mostly with joke characters until recently, most of them have become completely different characters by the '80s: Joker, Mr Freeze, Riddler and Penguin are the best examples. At that same time you had a few new characters that have now become just as prominent as the original cast like Bane and Ra's but Spider-Man doesn't really have that. Spider-Man has a lot more new characters and ones that stick out more but they don't tend to stay around or become as prominent. After the Clone Saga, his most prominent rogues are still the same ones he had in the '60s. The biggest villains he had from the '80s to early 2000s would probably have to be Hobgoblin, Venom, Carnage and Morlun. All of which weren't doing too well in the early 2000s. Hobgoblin became second rate after the Macendale era, Venom had the Lethal Protector arc but the writers weren't too sure what to do with him and bonded him with random people, Carnage would've been known mostly from Maximum Carnage and wouldn't have a big event until 2015 and Morlun wasn't exactly seen as an interesting villain so much as something that got the plot moving and added magic to Spider-Man. In the early 2000s, everyone except for maybe Venom would've been considered relatively obscure. In that time, the original rogues gallery had been revived and most of the new characters, which hadn't really done well outside of their own events, were sidelined. Technically speaking, most of Batman's rogues gallery haven't been around before the '80s whereas most of Spider-Man's tends to be the same exact people he originally fought. The fact DC has rebooted also means that the characters and writers have a fresh start on established characters whereas Marvel writers can play it safe and work with a character that has been around since the '60s who's largely unchanged.

Superman had a Silver Age villain like that called Terra Man, a cowboy with retrofuturistic alien weapons tailored specifically to Superman's weaknesses.

@@NoJusticeNoPeace He was also in Post Crisis, too. But he was Western themed.

@@DCMarvelMultiverse Advanced "cowboy" weapons count as retrofuturism.

@@NoJusticeNoPeace Anachronistic, actually. Retrofuturism is when you use the future aesthetic of a bygone era. Anachronistic means two time periods, regardless of tense, is mashed up or switched. If I make a modern story with a 70s scifi aesthetic, that is RF. If I make take a 19th century gun and make it blast a laser, that is an anachronism because laser guns are not a 19th century aesthetic and making modern weapons look like they could be old weapon with, on first appearance, the same old function, is anachronism.

@@DCMarvelMultiverse It's not retrofuturism from the perspective of the people who made Terra Man, but it's retrofuturism from _ours_ 40 years later. The "advanced technology" as conceived by the Silver Age writers wasn't intended to be retrofuturist, it's _become_ so from ours. You see what I mean?

Sounds like she would be a perfect fit in DC Super Hero Girls.

Sounds like something Batgirl would deal with in Harley Quinn.

eh depending on whose on the team most of them probably arent much younger than i imagine roxy to be

@@donb7519 I mean, sure. The ”teen” titans are often much older. And by then they don’t go under the ”don’t flirt with teens” thing. (It can still get uncomfortable for other reasons, but at least everyone involved is an adult.)

Also nightwing doesn't have a big plane to fly around in so she would give him more of a challenge

It's a fun series, not quite the deepest but good enough

I think Harley Quinn was at least partially based on Joker's Daughter from the comics, at least conceptually.

I disagree, Roxy has a pretty cool design and some neat iconography too (at the very least, I prefer her to Harley Quinn).

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@@HandofOmega Who and why now?

@@WarmLillie RR was a seldom seen Marvel character, a stuntwoman who was a supporting character in the Longshot limited series. Unlike Roxy, she was a good guy...at least, at first...

My tongue was tied from reading this and I didn't even read it aloud.

Loved that show! My only disappointment was that I couldn't sell it to my JLU-loving friends who were convinced the stylized look and shorter run time that they must be "kiddie" eps...

Getaway driver Roxy forever!

@@tomorrow4eva they could maybe do the baby driver idea if her having bad hearing because of a stunt related injury.

Thanks now I have an intense need to see a Flash comic with her as the featured villain, though I wonder how different it would be depending on which Flash it is (how it would work if it's Barry Allen vs. Roxy Rocket or if it's Wally West vs. Roxy Rocket).

I'm pretty sure flying around on a rocket at building level without a permit breaks some kind of air traffic law.

@@ccggenius In DC, hard to tell actually. They've green lanterns, Batmen, Blue Beetles, Booster Golds, etc., all flying with gadgets that are very clearly unlicensed in anyway. Someone having a joy flight in this universe might as well be either legal or "we don't care bout those laws anymore" legal-ish.

along those line how you think she would do as part of the sucide squad particular with her need to seek thrill.

@@Marveryn I don't really picture her as a violent criminal as much as a thief with a gimmick. However I could see her and Captain Boomerang having a fun dynamic. I suppose it depends mostly on that roster. What did you have in mind?