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Cataclysm made me quit wow. Also killed my parents. Im now Batman.

The biggest issue with Cata.. was they never followed up with a "healed world" expansion.

Cataclysms biggest problem was that 5 mans had been made so faceroll easy during Wrath that when difficulty was slightly ramped up people had forgotten that CC's & dispels were something you could use on trash mobs etc. The amount of PuGs I got that were incapable of basic communication because it hadnt been needed all throughout WOTLK was infuriating. Blizzard had killed the community & camaraderie that existed during vanilla & TBC with players now being acclimated to gogogo attitude, kicking anyone that fails or leaving after 1 wipe. I still loved the world & the story but the players had mostly become a-holes.

I'm starting to feel like WillE is part of a Blizzard astroturfing campaign to prep the classic community for the inevitable cata announcement at blizzcon.

I always thought I hated Cataclysm but looking back on it the only problems I really had with it were the pacing of the expansion and the last raid which is stuff that could easily be fixed in a re-release. Firelands was actually one of the better raids they ever made.

Cata was an okay expansion, but I feel it shouldn't be classed under the 'Classic' banner. Blizzard are bound to announce a re-release to keep a few happy. I won't be playing it though.

I really think that the fall off from WotlK was inevitable no matter what blizzard did, killing Arthus wrapped up so much of the lore that players were there for, many people through a combination of just growing up and moving on we’re fine to call it quits after that

LFR was not added to get more people into raiding (as in, organized progression raiding) - it was added to increase overall engagement in content that costs a lot of time and money to produce in order to justify further production of said content. Looking at it from a business perspective, it doesn't make sense to spend so much time and money on content that only ~8% would ever see; it made far more sense to invest that time and money into content that ~85% would be actively engaged with on a frequent basis. The catalyst for this change in thinking (by suits, not Devs, the latter understands why raid content is vital to an MMO's success) was the huge success of games such as Farmville...and we got a limited version of that in the next expansion, and a less limited version of it in the following expansion.

It's hard to overstate how bad the initial implementation of LFR was. You were effectively forced to do it every week as the gear could be a massive upgrade from the previous raid tier, but there was no way of knowing if you were being dropped into a doomed run. Some fights were tuned so only 4-5 competent players could steamroll it; others were effectively impossible for a pug group with 10 people afk. It was truly miserable. If they do put in LFR they have to add other systems that exist in retail so this is not mandatory "content" for every raider.

Cataclysm will always be dear to my Heart as I got realm first 85 by not killing a single mob. Druid tauren leveling only by gathering herbs with the insane Spawn rate the first two weeks of cata.

WillE in from 5 - 8 years from now "Shadowlands Doesn't Deserve It's Negative Reputation - Here's Why | WoW Classic"

For me Vanilla and Classic mean the old world. You can't have Classic without the old world.

Cata raiding killed a lot of the 10 man guilds and PuG raids that I use to see constantly during Wrath. They should never have killed the "friends and family" guild raiding scene.

If we get the chance to permanently park our characters in Wrath going forward, that is where mine is staying this time. I have no inverest in doing Cata again.

I don't know, man... I think people are forgetting that it was on Cataclysm that started the trend of being almost obliged to login and do daily chores. That sucks.

At what point does classic stop going through the expansions? I’d say mop is the last expansion in the classic era if we are now talking graphics wise, because cataclysm isn’t very classic imo. Mop would be good to stop at and then create their own classic expansions?

Honestly, for me at least, the only thing i hated about cata was the fking world change. Legit ruined some of my favorite zones for no reason. Although they also added my most favorite zone in Vash'Jir, so I can't complain that much. Also loved cata pvp a lot and would love to experience it again

I thought this was supposed to talk about the good aspects of cata? After watching this video it feels like the titles wrong. TLDR maybe cata actually DID deserve the bad reputation???

My biggest problem with Cataclysm is that it doesn’t feel Classic. I think they are now at the point where they have to decide “what does Classic mean”. It is just going through every expansion in a faster release cadence and with some changes? (I dont know if Shadowlands Classic makes sense tbh). Is it about releasing the big 3 over and over? Is it about the vanilla content with heavy changes and iterating on that?

Cata heroic dungeons were decent, raids were good (except the end of dragon soul) but I firmly believe the complete revamp of the world was the moment "old wow" died and i think most people didn't like what they did with it, its even worse due to the fact that to this very day, over a decade later, the changes are still present in retail for no reason

It was actually the explosion of alts expansion with the revamped story and zones. It was very, very fun for a while but as the expansion dragged on the problems started to pile up. I'll always remember Cata as the expansion that pushed alts for me but on the other hand that so much got forgotten on the wayside with Cata was a huge disappointment.

That Gilneas music at the end was a nostalgia trip. Wow

I'd like them to add in chromie time so that instead of leveling through tbc and wrath as you usually would, you just stay in the post cata azeroth and keep leveling.

I would love for Gilneas to be rebuild & become a city again, but overall, I'm looking forward to cata

Getting rid of talent trees and destroying Azeroth is why people rightly think it was the beginning of the end. It isn’t classic, hard stop, and that’s fine but it’s not classic.

Cata was truly one of my favorite xpacs however I have no intention of playing a classic cata, it’s basically retail.

11:20 what im hearing is thst its clearly wow updating its system to change = its not classic anymore

Quality video, but I'll be honest i disagree entirely. If you make catacalysm, the spirit of classic is ruined. Its got to stay to wrath and thats it.

People seem to forget that, wow is/was an old game back then in late 2011. Majority of players back then were in there mid 20's if not mid 30's, meaning a lot of people quitted because of IRL issues. E.g. getting kids, furthering their career etc.

Yes it does. Cataclysm was the last swirls around the toilet bowl before the flush of Panda Express

Keep in mind, ICC lasted longer than Dragonsoul did. Ironic, isn't?

My biggest issue, a cataclysm was the amount of stuns and heels. Every class it seems got. I was in so many BG PVP encounters, where I could not move at all because it was instant stunning or instant movement slowing. And never got a chance to do anything. And thats all i like doing in wotlk and cata

Youre kinda wrong. Popularity of wow fell because it was no longer cattering to casuals. People say they want difficulty, but the difficulty of cata turned so many people off. There is this elitism in wow but its so ironic, because the strength of wow was in its accessibility.

I didn't start playing retail until cata. Would definitely play it if they did a classic version

If they go to cata and not leave a wotlk server behind im going back to warmane no no not doing this again blizz

I have a lot of nostalgia for cata. It was the peek of my wow addiction. Very fond memories.

whenever I hear people complain about cata and even mops talent system they have no idea how they actually work on a fundemental level. you get talent points but those points dont go into actual skills you use, most go into fluff boxes of boring stat/damage/healing increases. like "lightning bolt's damage increases by 10%" but with mop, when you go to the level where you inevitably would get to that point in a talent tree, your lightning bolt just scaled to do 10% more damage. nothing was lost, except the useless action of opening a window and clicking a box. which is why I always called them placebo points, you dont lose anything but the placebo effect of clicking boxes. its all automatic, and the meaty skills you would normally get, you get at the normal intervals you would from the talent tree. the fact is the mop trees, nothing changed you just got upgrades automatically, and with cata, they simply cut down the amount of times you opened a window to hit fluff bonuses. Blizzard could literally make a tree that doesnt absolutely nothing and people would praise it as the greatest thing ever. Hell in DF, they gutted everyones spell book and slapped it on a tree for you to buy back via placebo points and people cheered. its baffling really, the sheer stupidity of the wow playerbase.

As a player who started towards the end of wrath I didn't reach max/kill lich king until Cata launch, so I get my 'nostalgic' feels from wrath era but I actually enjoyed and played Cata more than any other xpac. The Cata announcement is the only reason I've resubbed this week since Legion. I played Ret pally PVP and Mage pve so am currently leveling mage again in hopes of grinding for Tarecgosa's Rest come Cata. Hope to see you all back in Tol Barad ;)

The beginning of the end.

The "expansion" literally raided the map of vanilla. A master of continued obsolescence.

I don't intend to play cata classic and i believe all the hate it gets is justified. Personally i hate the updated talents system, the world revamp, the raids and the new zones. Nothing about Cata gets me hyped tbh. Classic set out to bring back wow as it was in the good old days - Cataclysm is literally retail. The only reason we get cata "classic" is because Blizzard wants to milk this shit as hard as possible.

You're telling me ScotteJaye DIDNT sponsor this video??? 😂

How they don’t announce anything and we can just move on with out life 😢

Shilling cata because it's getting announce in blizzcon now?

That's funny, seeing excerpts of totalbiscuit's wipe a thon videos really took me back in time. Had the most fun I've ever had playing WoW during the cata beta, dungeons & raids were much harder there vs their release versions that consequently got nerfed. Dragon soul was a pretty good raid compared to the avg raid in WoW history, most of people's complaints are towards reused models & zone so you'll probably enjoy the raid if you don't care immensely about those things.

I think that the fact its no longer old world content is enough for it to not be classic for a lot of people.

all i know is when cataclysm came out it felt like shit to me. i remember the disappointment. like it had lost its soul and i became really pessimistic about the future of wow

What Cataclysm doesn't deserve is a classic because the world and the zones are already there unchanged in retail. Unless they revamp azeroth for retail to make it make sense as classic 2.0?

Problem with Cata is nobody likes removed content (questlines and other stuff) And Dragon Soul patch seemed like rushed, alpha/beta content.

I enjoyed the first half of Cataclysm. The pre-nerf launch dungeons were fun and required CC/co-ordination, having two full-sized raids to swap between to keeps fresh with BoT and BWD, Al'akir raid boss was unique. Firelands event and raid which were both good. End of firelands felt like the natural end for the OG "Classic" gameplay experience. Everything after that (from Dragonsoul to Dragonflight) are what I consider to bevthe "Retail" era.

Opinion aside, Cata is factually not classic because: If you log into retail WoW and go to Westfall or the Barrens, you will see the cataclysm zones. You cannot see the old world or its content. Cataclysm zones are currently in the game more or less as they appeared. Cataclysm =/= Classic.

Wow youtubers: Classic era ends with Wotlk, its all down hill from Cata... *3 years later Cata classic is on the horizon* Wow youtubers: Everyone was wrong about Cata, it was amazing! Keep playing please!

Cataclysm had one major flow. Blizzard went from piss easy to hard as hell. The other was lack of content for months after initial release. The last was a shattering of old world. In some cases it worked in others id didnt! Just finished questing in Loch Modan. They butchered it!

Cataclysm told all the people that wanted an RPG to go look somewhere else and told the ones that wanted to live forever in the hamster wheel of raiding to come RIGHT ON IN.

When Cata launched, not all classes had the interrupts they would end up with - that wouldn't come until mid/end-Jan, around 6 weeks after launch. And a huge reason for them being added was the sheer amount of interrupts needed in the H 5mans, followed by ten man raids. It wasn't unheard of to get a group with only one interrupt when you need three for the first boss in H SFK. This affected even guild groups because you needed those interrupts. As a tankadin, I had AS but would not get an actual true interrupt until that mid/end Jan point (Rebuke was Ret only)- so yes, I was losing part of my rotation to interrupt and you can imagine the problems with this. AS is also huge threat generation, so at the time, if I had a high DPS group, I really had to pay attention if I had to sit on part of my rotation. It was made more stressful in H 5M's because if I made a mistake using AS my group may wipe. And this is from someone who ran LFD solo for fun as a tank or healer long before the satchel was put in - I really liked the launch 5 mans, but several bosses were overtuned. I do miss soloing down a boss because my group all stood in fire or Throngus double jibbed the healer, lol. The lack of interrupts among classes at launch spread into the 10 man scene. You had a much smaller set group but high need for certain things - the ability to remove curses and interrupts. 10 man really suffered from massive balancing issues and bugs - it was the tier where 10 M was seen as harder than 25 M. LFR really was the beginning of the end of raiding for me. They had done a good job of limiting how many raids people felt compelled to run through after the end of Wrath had people doing everything four times. People always talk about the PUG scene esp. with ICC, but forget that raiders were often running multiple difficulties per week. You essentially set about the difficulty you wanted for T11/T12 and it felt good. Then, we got a system where, with a bunch of strangers acting worse than a herd of rabid feral cats, you blasted through the raid in no time. There was no progression, you got the set items with slightly lower stats, you got the end game weapons and got to see the entire thing without any real work. Yes, I did run LFR when it came out just to see and for anyone wanting to say it still took any form of concentration - no, it did not. It was so dumbed down that most insta-kills became a gentle tickle and DPS reqs were very low. It became a loot pinata. In fact, I would say it "trained" people wrong given the amount of people I met attempting normal after running LFR a few times and not understanding about pushing a button or fire being deadly. I'm all for people seeing the story and Blizzard should have implemented a story mode for raid bosses in some way a long time ago, but this did nothing for raiders outside of one more thing to farm while sucking the life out of the will to raid. Later, in MoP, we would go back to the multi-level system and it would be the last time I truly ran with a set raid group. Ironically, up to the inclusion of LFR, there was a really good VP system in Cata that allowed non-raiders to get most of the raid gear. VP collection had been changed to be weekly instead of daily - you could do all seven heroic 5 mans as a non-raider all on one day or spread across several, there wasn't a "daily dungeon" you had to complete in order to not feel like you were falling behind. Then Blizz became obsessed with time played on a monthly sub game which then led to a good deal of the systems that drove people away later on. All the convenience really made the game smaller to me. It took away the feeling of progression on a raid when it was extremely doable and I had already done it on LFR. The 'need' for the cross-server stuff really ripped out the heart of the community that was very much still there during Cata. Going into SW and seeing a bunch of random people or being phased from my own guild during the MoP pre-patch and on made you really feel alone. At Cata launch, LFD was Battlegroup and it wasn't unheard of to see someone more than once in a 5 man if you ran them frequently. At the time, we didn't have actual battletags, and by the time we had that ability, LFD just flung whoever in there. It feels like Blizzard was so desperate for their world to look highly populated and for people to feel like they could do whatever they wanted as fast as possible, it tore apart the core community and took away the anchor for many players. I liked the front part of Cata despite it being deeply flawed, a buggy mess at times (lol blind dragon in T11 ftw), ass backward on re-introducing difficulty into 5mans and no way to restore the old world after the revamp. DS is really where I feel like it began to fall apart and when my server began to feel like it was dying. I also see it rarely mentioned but during T12, Blizz offered a deal where if you pledged to stay subbed to WoW for a year you got D3 for free (another mess), a special horsie flying mount, and access to the Beta (I think there may have been a boost). You could pay by the month if you wanted. Players were so upset over DS, LFR and the state of the game that Blizzard was willing to refund if possible but remember that it locked you in for a year otherwise, thus inflating numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if part of the drop off towards the front half of MoP was these special subs just running out.

i started the game in late TBC, but Cata was the expac what really sucked me into the world and made me addicted

If they remove the dungeon nerf I will be all over Cata classic. Cata Heroics were to this day the best non-raid content put in WoW.

I had a fantastic time leveling alts in Cata! I think this time around, given the quicker release schedule for patches and availability and popularity of old school classic wow, Cata’s going to be a much more refreshing experience versus a contentious pariah of an expansion

The problem with Cataclysm is that following Vanilla and TBC was already hard. WotLK, while having some problems, is also very fondly remembered. Cataclysm came out and it was the first middling expansion. There hadn't been others to compare it to yet, so it got a lot of hate. Now that we've had trash like WoD and SL, it puts it into perspective that most of it was good. That being said, I don't think anything in Cata held people like the mechanics in WotLK or even its next expansion MoP with Timeless Isle

Cataclysm was not nearly as good as prior expansions, but it wasn't as bad as later expansions though. I had fun with Cataclysm personally. The PvP was really damn good and the PvE wasn't as horrible as people make it out to be. Even Dragon Soul wasn't as bad; the only thing I hated about the raid was Deathwing.

Hot take but I think Wotlk was the beginning of the end. Everything was spoon fed from that expansion onwards. But I’m old and most people won’t agree. Vanilla and BC were just on another level. And NO, you did not experience vanilla and BC if you played classic… I’m sorry, it was a completely different experience from then and now.

I haven’t seen any content creator talk about classic difficulty from the POV of every classic expansion being on the last patch, class balance wise. This has had a profound effect on every stage of classic and has made it notably easier. Why can’t blizzard do progressive balance patches along with the content patches?

it would be funny if they announced cata at blizzcon and the crowd is completely silent or booing lmao

It's the end of the end for Blizzard.

Honestly not looking forward to cata i hope they do something other than cata give us something else anything but cata again; im assuming you were there when it was current it was just a drag

Cata my first end-game expansion. I started in Wrath, but never made it to endgame. I'm very excited to get stuck back into Cata, I want to get clears on all the raids I missed as I only raided Firelands and Dragonsoul, plus maybe finally getting Heroic Madness down as my guild got stonewalled on Spine.

I appreciate what WillE is trying to do but as someone who is legitimately wanting to try Cata for the first time I'd prefer to see videos talking about Cata's positives. Not trying to down play it's negatives. It kinda reframes the conversation from 'Cata wasn't that bad!' to 'Cata was good, and here's what you'll be missing if you skip it'.

WoW ended with the death of the lich king, period.

I started with vanilla, and its still by far the game I look back upon the most fondly, but there is no doubt about one thing: Cataclysm was the first expansion where I genuinely had a lot of fun playing a healer in dungeons, and in general I thought the new dungeons almost all turned out fantastic. Hell, even achievements, which I usually hate, added some fun additional challenges and made those dungeons really replayable. I also liked being able to reforge items, I thought the PVP/arena was very solid in cata, and I liked all the new 80-85 zones quite a bit. But just like everybody else I really did not enjoy the last big patch (the caverns of time dungeons were a joke, and deathwing was meh) and felt disappointed about the weak finale.

I still have my original Cata box from GameStop..oh the memories I loved that xpac

First tier seems cool, second tier seems fantastic. Looking forward to the PvP, I'm not sure, but I'd hazard a guess that Cata PvP is a bit less "solved" than Wrath is, so it'll be fun to figure out. Gonna be a hard maybe for me.

I liked the new races, new combinations (my gnome priest was adorable), the model and graphic overhaul, the LFD finder added maps for the older dungeons even the non-reworked ones, the choice of questing or dungeon leveling was a fun idea. The main profession dailies were fun to do. I think this is when they had the toy collections tab? I remember the final raid when you're on the airship chasing deathwing I was blown away how great it looked. I did not like some zones turning into theme parks like Redridge was Rambo, First blood Part two, Uldum was Indiana jones complete with Nazi like soldiers. I used to say I didn't like the talent tree revamp, but now I realize MoP did that.

Cata introduced too many changes in one shot. To take one: Cata supposed 10 man and 25 man raiding were equivalent, and hence awarded the same loot. This was stupid. The 2 raiding formats pose inherently different challenges (eg, player spreading when dmg chains, harder on 25 man; covering all buffs, harder on 10 man), such that 10 and 25 man could never realistically achieve balance. Take another: LFR was let loose. And the list of badly conceived changes that Cata unleashed goes on. Cata was a significant step down and back for WoW. It exposed a particular inertia that had infected the Blizzard game development team: for some weird reason, they were very reluctant to meaningfully address their errors.

I might play it just to experience the heroic dungeons pre-nerf again. That was one of my favorite experiences in the game's history. Also, I'm in love with Vashj'ir and Deepholme.

Please don't try to rewrite this narrative that Cataclysm was a good expansion. It was the first bad expansion. I lived through it, it was my most played expansion, and I'm sick of reading people who either never played it or played it as their first xpac put any doubt on that. The revamp of the map being good or bad is subjective, but what isn't, is the fact that that revamp meant the devs at the time had less resources for endgame content, and while Firelands was decent, Dragon soul reused dragonblight and the fights were a massive downgrade from ICC. Please, I beg of anyone who is still on the fence about this to consider the contemporary views and use them as a primary source of evidence to support what I've said above. Thanks

Cata's reputation is unfair, imo. I look forward to Cata Classic & MoP Classic. You can say its not "classic" but i'd argue any xpac we havent visited in a decade+ could be considered "Classic", even if said expansion did start to shift the game. IMO the game started to feel like how Retail does around WoD/Legion. There was ton of good things added in Cata & MoP. Myself & some friends are quite excited to play Cata & hopefully MoP again, especially as they were the height of PvP. (especially MoP specifically), while also being fun for raiding. P.S - Class design, while fun & good in vanilla-wrath, IMPROVES in Cata/MoP, theres more depth added in, more cool combo's you are capable of, & (in PVP specifically) more outplays you can do, its just fun. I'd also argue that the component of classes starting to "feel a bit similar to eachother" is a bit niche, and is already present in WoTLK currently. But even if its true, it doesn't outweigh the fact that class designs still become more fleshed out, indepth, & fluent in Cata/MoP for the most part. Again, WoD's shift in class design & the start of pruning, then Legion's reinforcement in pruning is when Class Design truly started going downhill, imo. But Cata/MoP were the height of class design with Wrath being close behind.

I loved the Cata talents, getting that signature ability at level 10 felt great. Once I rolled a human paladin and was dying to murlocs in Elywn forest, I hit lvl 10 picked Protection and got Avenger's shield - suddenly i'm tanking all the murlocs in the zone! If anything I just want Cata out to level different specs through the re-made zones.

I liked this video. However one thing with class homogenization I felt was overlooked was the introduction of Time Warp for Mages and what that meant for Shamans as a class. Cataclysm because an expansion where shamans didn't really have a class identity other than "we can't recruit x class so we have a shaman to cover" which I fell now a days would mean Shamans just get shafted. My experience in cataclysm was always "why do we need a shaman when we have X class?" which made it feel especially bad for me.

Not gonna lie, pretty much every time I've been in Forge of Souls I've been "Where Rebuke Blizz? Pally needs interrupt. 😭"

I really liked cata. Raiding and dungeons were amazing (apart from the final boss of the expansion unfortunately) and the open world quests objectively improved from the original form.

It’s not all down to the game itself. You’ve gotta remember that a lot of people had played the game so much that it probably affected their real lives drastically by this point, so lots of the attrition in Cata was down to the expo being the straw that broke the camels back, leading many to quit for good until classic came out. The game then attracted a new generation of players and diverged in content and player base from there.

Been playing Classic ever since it got released. Haven't been playing Retail much at all. Did get to max level in both Shadowlands and Dragonflight, but there is just nothing appealing with retail for me anymore. I've figured the reason why I love Classic is because it's slow, chill and easy, make it very social-first. There is no APM spamfest like on Retail. You have to traverse the world in a much greater extent, and while travsering you are more likely to spend time communicating with guildies etc. Vanilla and TBC is mostly the same. TBC does follow the same logic as pretty much every WoW expansion where all players are shuffled off into a new continent, leaving pretty much everything from the old world irrelevant. But at least TBC keeps pretty much all the slow, chill and easyness from Vanilla. Making it still a much more relaxed and social experience. WotLK is where it started to remove from all of this. The Dungeon Finder, having access to far more powerful talents early, especially when combined with the removal of pretty much every elite quest during levelling made it so that levelling becomes a solo experience for the most part. Whereas in Vanilla and TBC you had lots of quest-chains etc. that required grouping and socialisation. When we remove Dungeon Finder, I wouldn't say WotLK is bad by any means. But this is where the game started to remove itself from Vanilla. With the release of Icecrown and all the new 5-man dungeons, WotLK also became the first expansion where we started to get content patches that rendered pretty much everything previously released within the same expansion irrelevant. Cataclysm is a massive step in the wrong direction, at least for me personally. Not only do we have Dungeon Finder, we also get Raid Finder. The new talent system makes levelling even worse. With Cataclysm the revamped Azeroth gives you a much more dumbed-down version of questing. You just walk aimlessly from quest-hub to quest-hub, nothing requires attention or a group to complete. It all feels terrible compared to Vanilla. All these quality of life improvements, dungeon finder, raid finder and everything makes the game much more "efficient", which removes a lot from the social aspect of the game. Cataclysm is also a massive step up in terms of boss mechanics and design. The game requires a lot more attention from you as a player. Removing from the relaxed and chill experience of Vanilla.

I recall in retail Cata the "Diablo III Talent System" or was that back with MoP then? Maybe i mix this up?

I quit back in WoD and havent played since but having that time to think back, I probably had as much fun in Cata as I did in Wrath whether it was as good or not and thats all that really matters.

They ruined classes with lots of dramatic sweeping class/talent changes in cata, fundamentally killing some playstyles and that killed my enjoyment of a few classes and that lead to me taking my first long break from the game and they added raid one shot mechanics to dungeons which was insufferable. So yeah to me cata was and still is the worst expansion, closely followed by Shadowlands but the less said about Shadowlands the better lol

I want to do early cata heroic dungeons again

Cataclysm strikes a good balance between it staying classic but with a bit of a boost in all of its aspects. For instance, class rotations are now dynamic (mages used to press 2 buttons in vanilla and TBC) but not to the point retail is when you are literally a super sayan. Quests are revamped with good drop rates and even more variety than wrath. So, on the downside, my major issue is that the world doesn't really feel that it underwent a cataclysm. It might have been a tech limitation back then but I don't think that the world changes were too striking. Also, Northerend should have been hit too, especially Dragonblight.

I think cata will be looked at different on re-release. If dragon soul wasn't such a letdown. it'd simply just be a straight improvement from wotlk in all areas. The first half of the expansion is literally perfect.

The more me and my guild talk about cata the more we realize how great it was. Had half go from not wanting to play to most are waiting pretty eagerly for it to come

I started pve during that expansion so I wasn't in big guilds like today, and I felt like the nerfs and patches were coming out too fast for the first few raids and FL... Although DS took forever and I had completely stop pve till pandaria came out xD

Did the graphics change in this expansion? Because im running wow classic on a laptop with integrated graphics if so ill probably be unable to run it lol

I like your content Wille, this this xpac deserves everything negative it receives because it fundamentally changed the game

Being a healer or tank was boring until Cata. Truly felt like a chore to switch when u were needed or just wanted to get ur dailies done. U get so many good utility/abilities introduced and every class feels unique in their roles. I loved Cata it was amazing and I am dying to make a worgen again! I didnt make a rogue in classics for this very reason so PLEASE give us Cata.

Cata is going to be a complete ghost town since season of discovery was announced (it was going to be a ghost town regardless because its a shit expansion hahaah)

I would love to do challenge modes again, but in current classic...

I think Cata had a lot of positives, but imo, especially with hindsight, I think there were more negatives than positives. Transmog is one of the few things that cata brought that I think was overwhelmingly positive for the game, but I also think the world revamp was overwhelmingly negative (and only ages worse every year imo.) There's some Cata stuff that could be ironed out with classic, though, so.. I'm hoping it's not so bad.

In Cataclysm, Blizzard told a shit ton of players "get better or we don't want you as customers". This and only this was the big problem.

skipping classic cata. my guild and I cleared everything and I look back at that xpac very fondly.

Speaking of gear upgrades. In cata items get very streamlined. I personally hate it, bit minus for me. Vanilla/tbc gearing is the best.