i am enjoying the new grubby tier-list era

No need to call us 2004 players out like that xD In our hearts we are still playing.

3:52 youre exactly right man. i played this game when i was 10-13. im not here to learn the meta, its just fun to look back.

Death and Decay icon has a rose because it has roses in Warcraft 2 too, although is the "living things decaying" concept is clearer on the Warcraft 2 icon, it shows three withered roses.

Careful Grubby, I’m gonna have to make a tier list of Grubby tier lists

22:32 OOOFF The moment you mentioned Westwood Studios, I legitimately had a quick surge of nostalgia then immediately followed by a strong gut punch and groin kick. That jab at them kinda hurt ngl

I always loved the art on the ability icons, I'm happy someone brought it up! Between these and the ability icons of early wow, they nailed it.

Dreadlord got Inferno about the early second half of beta (sometime in 2001). Dreadlord used to have the ultimate "Dark Summoning" which was the opposite of mass teleport: it would summon allied units to the dreadlord. It was exactly like the starcraft arbiter's recall ability.

"you can just turn 360 degrees" you got it

Me, never playing a single game of Warcraft: yes, this list is what I need in life

Doom Guard summoned by Pit Lord CANNOT be dispelled. Only the one summoned by the loot item is dispellable. Also the unit being doomed CANNOT get onto a zeppelin

GRUBBY PLEASE. This kind of content brings me tranquility irl. I love hearing you theorycraft. Please, continue with the tierlists. Rank units. Rank items. Rank races. Thanks.

Animate dead was changed twice. At first they were normal, then they became invincible, then they became vulnerable again

One thing about resurrection: it allows humans to go above the 100 food cap. Be at 100, kill 6 of your knights, queue up 24 more food worth of units, resurrect the knights. Now, you're going to be charging into a battle with 124 food of army. Considering that players might have 20 food of workers, you're talking about 104 food vs. 80 food worth of units. That is...*substantial*. Granted, this is more an application in FFA when resources run high, but considering FFA is 1v1v1v1... And as for mass teleport, again, absolute S tier in FFA--perhaps S+ tier in FFA...you mass a bunch of towers, and then you just STOP engaging the opponent in handshake battles--you JUST mass teleport them, and force them to either constantly burn 350 gold town portals (not sustainable), or chase you into a bunch of towers (not advisable). Though in 1v1, it's more the case that if you only have a couple of bases and much more limited resources, your opponent can just smash *you* in the face instead.

This list reminds me of some of the cool old custom maps for WC3 that had hero builder stuffs where one could pick any skills they'd like before the match started. I think the main ones were usually called "angel arena" or other variations of "arena" etc. Bash, evasion, crit strike were usually top picks, those maps almost always had tons of stat boosting from items or insane exp gain. Imagine thousands of points of each stat. They ended up looking like DBZ fights not too long after the matches started. XD

Warcraft 3, I used to play this so much growing up. I didn't even know it still had an active community

The best birthday gift is the original War 3 TFT disk (as opposed to reforged, so one could still play a game that was actually good) with Grubby's autograph. Well, the best if Maserati is off the table.

Ideas for more Tier Lists: Items, Units, Maps, Creep Camps

Grubby in all honesty I've always hated tier list type content, but your stuff is just so enjoyable I might have to reconsider my approach. Cheers man!

What would I want for my birthday? I think ressurection from Paladin is probably hard to pass. To see my grandma again :3. But I guess it only works on fresh corpses...

11:00 remeber an insane game, from Moon vs Tod. Moon picked Dark Ranger as first and only hero and has stolen a worker from Tod, in the end he destroyed him with bears, dryads, blood and arch mage. That was so sick to watch. I really felt sorry for Tod, but Moons Gameplay was so good.

What I like about Tornado is that it sort of shows how channeled spells should have worked, every channeled spell should let you control the spell while your hero is occupied. Especially with Big Bad Voodoo... maybe you could designate a 'dancer' other than the Shadow Hunter (with whom it starts) that is 'vulnerable' and if it is killed the spell ends, so you micro the 'dancer' (de)buff/designation around to keep it going. Basically enable a mini-game for channeling heroes.

Love these! Unit tier list next!

13:55 That was the only preparation I did for this video, aside from dedicating my whole life to Warcraft 3, thanks for the laugh man, awesome video.

Starfall one of the most iconic ult from WC3, as a player who played mostly 2v2 or 3v3 this ability can win you a game (or lose if you are against PotM)

Yes I played this game back on 2004 and youtube randomly recommended me this videos lol

Animated units were originally killable , the neutral hostile version of Animate Dead stayed the same as the original all these years.

3:20 "Tip the tide" Tip the scale or turn the tide, but I kind of like the mix

Got straight up called out, used to play ladder for hours every day back in the 2000s... no idea why this video was suggested, but this was one hell of a nostalgia hit! The commentary on Inferno cracked me up too :D

Is this a crazy thought? What if all WC3 heros had an option of 4 ults to choose from. Either the ult that we all know and love that already exists or a 4th and ultimate level of one of their 3 existing abilities, once the choice is made it is perminant and of course the player can only choose to make a 4th level of the ult that they already chose it to be level 3 when their hero turned level 5. So for example with far seer if you decided to go level 3 wolves at level 5 hero, when your hero turns level 6, you could choose level 4 wolves that will have say 750 HP each 90 sec life span, 30-35 attack 400 movement speed (if this is chosen it cannot be undone with any item and earthquake cannot be chosen). Of course if the player decided to go level 3 chain lightning they would then have the choice to go level 4 with similar devistating ulttimate increases. I think this would add a cool eliment to the game.

Tornado having such a high mana cost directly negates the usefullness of mana shield, it's the only ability I've seen you use where it just felt straight up disappointing. Voodoo being a close second because like you said before, it basically tells the opponent what decision they need to immdiately make.

This came out as I was watching your hero tier list. Also the first time I ever watched you. I think Giant Grant Games talked about you. Love

13:50 my sides LOL. Out of nowhere YT recommend, I remember watching you and Moon constantly back in the mid 2000s, I always tuned into your matches even though I was way more into SCBW at the time. Good to see you still doing well and making content!

I think tierlists themselves are usually low tier content, but having some actual gameplay in the backround makes it a lot nicer.

Those tier lists are insane! Keep them coming!

i am enjoying those tier lists as much as your editor seems to enjoy them, big up to him, good work

These videos are great quality - thanks for all the information

Love these ranking videos.

this is truly enjoyable content, thank you for your effort

Good explanation!!

oooh what a treat thanks !

Good stuff , keep up the good work good sir , also the editor of the video ❤

Nice video. I think you did everything right. Well thought out.

just got your videos in my recommended, makes me want to get into wc3 again. good videos man

Just recently discovered this channel. Cant wait for unit, maps tier list.

I would say Big Bad Voodoo is the D tier ultimate. It's making the unit you want to protect the most into a target. It requires you to position extremely well to get even an ounce of use out of it, as your opponent can either just move away or interrupt the Shadow Hunter instantly without committing anything (Starfall will at least get a bit of damage in). The only reason you never feel how bad it really is, is because you're almost always in a winning position when your secondary hero gets his ultimate, and so you can usually afford to pick it. But if you are Shadow Hunter first/solo, it legitimately is better to just get another point in Serpent Ward/Healing Wave. Even a level 1 Healing Wave has more impact than an instantly interrupted Big Bad Voodoo. If Orc heroes weren't so strong and buffing the Shadow Hunter by any metric would mean making them even stronger, then I would give Big Bad Voodoo the Tranquility treatment and just slash the Mana Cost and Cooldown to 125/60 from 200/180. But the Shadow Hunter suffers from having all good skills, where getting a level +7 Shadow Hunter actually makes a huge difference while other heroes all get an irrelevant skill (like what's the substantial difference between a level 10 Lich with Dark Ritual and a level 6 Lich with a Mana Potion).

Tier lists are quite fun. Both Grubby and Wanderbraun, the Warcraft 3 content creators I watch, are doing warcraft tier lists, so I'd like to compare them soon. Thank you for making such videos, Grubby ❤

Crazy how Grubby has footage on every ult

14:10 love the music transition when Grubby starts explaining why Death and Decay is a rose. Made me laugh

I do a longer pause by watching ur videos on yt and now i awake for w3 and watching ur content again. Good to know some new changes . Thx for this great list.

Grubbys tier lists are great !

3:50 we still have an old 1.29 warcraft client we use for lan play so this is all literally just "huh this is interesting, so this is what it does now" for me. love it all the same though

Its really funny seeing your reasoning and explaination on these lol My 2 personal strongest ultimates are for sure Starfall and Volcano. I never played this game at a super highly competitive level though. But from the competitive I did play a million years ago and against friends starfall and volcano were so insane if you rushed the base aggressively.

I',m so happy about these tier lists

What I want for my birthday is another long form tier list!

Liked and subbed simply for that Death and Decay philosophical waxing.

"Anything you want for your birthday?" A hug from Grubby.

I found you recently with your reaction to Still Here, and I gotta say, I'm loving your content man. You have a great personality and sense of humor, and you've got jokes. Also, you cover a lot of stuff I'm into. New sub for sure.

Haven't played Warcraft 3 for years, since my "friend" borrowed out my TFT copy to someone else and I never got it back. Used to be one of my favourite games back then, I played a lot of user settings maps, normal matches intimidated me, haha. But I love the algorhythm recommending your videos, I remember you playing SC2 back in the day, so it's nice to see you again! Also, I'd love Mass Teleport/Town Portal for birthday. Commuting sucks!

Hi Grubby, I'm the exact type of person you mentioned early in the video - just got back to Warcraft 3 after almost 20 years 😂 thank to your vids I find it much easier to tune up to all these changes. I'm super excited that the game lives on and people like you make so much fantastic content about it. Thank you! 🙏

When I was 12 years old, my favorite birthday present would be Metamorphosis. Now it's Mass Teleportation, because ughh airlines amirite?

me: i have to sleep. then: grubby votes wc3 ults me: starring on screen for almost 2 hours.

Wow, making this tierlist right before a balance update is truly "heroic" of you ^-^

I like that you specifically explain the meaning of each tier, instead of some who would do things aporoximatively.

I was waiting for this!

love this tier list. :D

That Westwood joke was top tier Grubby, well played.

Indeed, the classic art is amazing. I love it.

4:20 thats me. ;) grew up with starcraft broodwar and wc3 enjoyed to play the game and watch pros ofc and one of them was Grubby. So here i am enjoying some old memorys. edit: As a now dh player i enjoyed the metamorphus comments a lot. Counterplay: Leave the game and save some time or make him use it where you can run away for 45secs. :D

Very accurate - I used to play in the early 2000s. Haven't played since, but still enjoy these videos. It's actually making me consider playing again. Which version should I get? The original, or Reforged?

This was the one I was waiting for!!!!

3:52 =Yup, thats me right there. and yes i dint know they changed that spell. thanks for the info, but blizzard will never see 1 dime out of me ever again. most likely il download pirate version of the old game and play it someday when the nostalgia kicks in.

I started to play HotS again after some time and these warcraft 3 videos started to pop out somehow :D

As a 2004 player who has never played competitively and been out of the game since 2008 or so... I tried making a tierlist before watching the video, and got a surprising amount of answers similar to this video. I don't know if I underestimated/overestimated some abilities, or the nerfs and buffs over the years have changed the skills that much, but you put some skills I didn't use at all in a high tier, and some that I always used in a low tier. Here's the list: S - Inferno A - Avatar, Voodoo, Death and Decay, Phoenix, Teleport, Metamorphosis, Ressurection, Bladestorm, Reincarnation B - Doom, Swarm, Robo-Goblin, Avatar, Stampete, Tranquility C - Animate dead, Charm, Starfall, Transmute, Volcano D - Earthquake, StormEarthFire, Tornado

Now it's time for a tier list for every unit

i am also enjoying grubby tier lists.

That's interesting, that's fun. I used to love this game! Maybe I still do..

In the last video you mentioned a game where you used pitlord on grandfinals by accident and then the opponent used alchemist. I couldn't find that match online yet, but finding it would be a nice birthday gift :D

The only tierlist on youtube which can be called the ULTIMATE tierlist.

can't wait for unit tier-list lmaooo

Lich Rose - links to Arthas and the rose petal rain from the cinematic.

"That was actually the only preparation I did for making this video, besides dedicating my whole life to Warcraft 3" 😂😂😂 came for the commentary on a game that's old enough to play taxes stayed for the comedy that has no right being this good

1:39 AGREED. Simple, clean, nostalgic af :>

Grubby's speech was for me!

3:56 this is me with your channel ingeneral. I've not touch warcraft since 2010 (dota 1 since 2012) and I watch your content just because 'hummm this is interesting'

Big Bad Voo Doos icon looks so brand new seeing it up close with detail never knew it was suppose to be skull with spears.

Resurrection's problem is that it's (essentially) a heal based on number of dead units. You're always going to compare it to how much healing he could do otherwise. IMO the best way to counter this is to A. Reduce the mana cost, cooldown, and # of units it rezzes (probably down to 3, so reduce mana by half and cooldown appropriately) or give it a passive that works within its aura range. (I think immunity to guaranteed-kill effects or charms would be pretty good.) I was thinking that Rez could have charges (2-3) where instant-kill/charm effects are negated while there's a charge, or he can Rez a dead unit while there is a charge.

I havent played warcraft 3 since wow released. This list is nice and nostalgic.

for my bday I want more Grubby tierlists :D

Since you asked Grubby, I always wanted to go back to playing Wc3. I played it before when I was around 10, but it was just pirated by the cafe lmao, and it's my birthday on the 20s next month. An official copy would be awesome. ❤

The icon graphics are truly awesome and still make the game's interface look great to this day.

i remember loving using earthquake on my friend's base full of static defense. almost 20 years ago

My suggested top 5 prior to seeing your take. Charm, mass teleport, locus swarm, avatar of vengeance, transmute

I got recommended hero tier list video. I played a little bit of w3 in 2010ish. I reinstalled it after that video 😅 Having a blast

i make a lot of custom solo maps for fun and now i want to make a hero that uses only ults but ill probably make them available at level 1 and have 2 ranks each, then just give him a couple nice passives like crit/evasion. after this im thinking charm, meta, inferno, transmute. id try having both meta and se&f but i need to make sure it wont crash the game. thanks for this list Grubby.

It is a great pleasure to hear somebody knowledgeable as Grubby speaking with modesty of complex questions...

come for the warcraft geeking, stay for the deep but casually delivered philosophy. subbed.

I always thought Tinker was a Strength hero. Thanks I learned something new !

the irony where grubby throws on hat of a life or spiritual coach talks about the deep rose analogy. Then he proceeds to talk about doom next. Nice work grubby. I love your content for the unintended LoL.

i've been waiting for this video