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@RobSmith2016
@RobSmith2016 9 жыл бұрын
Free Catalonia ! from Ireland
@RobSmith2016
@RobSmith2016 9 жыл бұрын
Let the Catalans be Free and let their language flourish !
@y4g4rls0n8
@y4g4rls0n8 9 жыл бұрын
Rob Smith Let their lenguage flourish???, do u know that in the public schools in catalonia teach in their lenguage, and they have expulse kids of that schools cause they only speak spanish??? they have a big culture around their lenguage, their lenguage is as floured as spanish. Do you know that in Spain we have Gallego, Catalan, Vasco, Valenciano and Castellano as official lenguages? Catalonia is Spain i respect who dont think this but they dont need freedom from us, we all need it from the politicians we have. Im from Madrid, Spain.
@AmorXcatalunya7
@AmorXcatalunya7 9 жыл бұрын
thxxx ^^
@AmorXcatalunya7
@AmorXcatalunya7 9 жыл бұрын
Y4G4RLS0N why ur'e lying man? we would never expulse anybody for speak any language, i'm pretty sure you dont life in catalanoia, because i have like 3 studients in my class room whom speak in spanish and there has never been any problem. Catalonia is not spain, is just a part of spain and not for a long time.
@y4g4rls0n8
@y4g4rls0n8 9 жыл бұрын
***** ok, i respect ur opinion, but i think u r the victim of the press here... im victim of the history, of the common sense and victim of the tolerance u dont seem to have
@MrCarlosdonbenito
@MrCarlosdonbenito 6 жыл бұрын
after 300 years? Catalonians pick the wrong side? They voted in 1978 with a 90% supporting the constitution, they also voted in 2015 in their local elections presenting it as a referendum and they reached 47% for independence (after a campaign based on hate, xenophobia and lies)! Please journalists, do your homework. How many times are they going to vote?
@rickyplaga
@rickyplaga 8 жыл бұрын
OMFG NBC, Catalonia is the part of Spain that receives more money even though they don't have the largest population, and they also have the largest debt. That fact that you said that Catalonia receives less money than what they pay is completely false!!
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 8 жыл бұрын
Finally someone says something true here!!!
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 8 жыл бұрын
+Simon Harris yes, you didn't count the debt Spain buys from Catalonia. And that's how it works, the Autonomous Comunities pay to the government and the government invests in the poorest ones so the develop their economies there are lots of other AC apart from Catalonia that pay more than what is returned Madrid for example pays more per capita than Catalonia.
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 8 жыл бұрын
+Simon Harris the situation is perfectly comparable, civil servant salaries don't change the entire situation and Catalonia has autonomical institutions with civil servants too. Do you think it's acceptable that an autonomous community has net of consulates in other countries for example. Besides, Catalonia has advantages for being in Spain, most of its exportations are to other parts of Spain what would be the consequences if they got independent, and most of its public competences are directly financed by Spain and that is not included in the balance. I agree the system works in a very inefficient way but that's not a solution, making your market smaller making exportations more expensive... And there's another thing, because Catalonia has had its own effective government for 30 years almost all its development has been financed by Spain it wouldn't be fair that they just took it.
@moctezuma1341
@moctezuma1341 9 жыл бұрын
Spain will never give up Barcelona
@moctezuma1341
@moctezuma1341 9 жыл бұрын
***** well i hope you guys gain Independence nothing will make me more happy than seeing Spain a former colonial power fall apart
@moctezuma1341
@moctezuma1341 9 жыл бұрын
***** ok
@XGige
@XGige 9 жыл бұрын
+Dodoria soz br0 im fan of Barcelona whole life but Catalonia free ? you must be kidding me xDD ,the prob here is Catalonia was never country same as Kosovo , and Catalonia is richest land in Spain for that some politicans want "freedom" i dont need ya to explain we are 2 from YUGOSLAVIA and we know that is all about money ;))
@maem365
@maem365 8 жыл бұрын
+XGige You are totally wrong! Some Catalans may be want Catalonia's independence just for money but many many other Catalans just want to be free for dignity, and social justice. We pay for it! Spain imperalist will die very soon in Catalonia! :)
@moctezuma1341
@moctezuma1341 8 жыл бұрын
maem365 Spain empire die when the US took Cuba Puerto Rico and the Philippines away from Spain
@MrFenris1966
@MrFenris1966 9 жыл бұрын
Catalonia is not Spain //*//
@pablomunoz92
@pablomunoz92 7 жыл бұрын
Fen Rixe cataluña es España
@paulc.9876
@paulc.9876 7 жыл бұрын
But we love you anyway and as good parents of such baby, we would not let you go! LOL
@marialuisa4227
@marialuisa4227 7 жыл бұрын
Go to Russia.
@marckhitman5197
@marckhitman5197 6 жыл бұрын
Nominated for an Oscar for her intervention in the movie " The Who Always Cries " Nominada a un oscar por su intervención en la película "La llorona" .Catolonia is Spain but you ¿ where are you?
@sirfrancist.woolridge7819
@sirfrancist.woolridge7819 6 жыл бұрын
Catalonia is Spain. Keep dreaming.
@SINNOMBRE-ck2wr
@SINNOMBRE-ck2wr 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry to inform you but that will never happen
@xupinas
@xupinas 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explain our situation! "Visca catalunya!"
@polychronio
@polychronio 9 жыл бұрын
Catalonia is not spain!!!!
@ferrancabrer
@ferrancabrer 9 жыл бұрын
Bye bye Spain IIxII
@gwangvatar
@gwangvatar 9 жыл бұрын
polychronio catalonia is next islamic state thats why they want independence from catholic spain hahahaha
@SoWhySoSirious
@SoWhySoSirious 9 жыл бұрын
Nabil Tohoin Seriously?
@kimara10
@kimara10 6 жыл бұрын
Make no mistake. The Catalan people are not oppressed by a central state, on the contrary, the state of Catalunya has more privileges than just about any other state in Spain, which in fact is completely unfair to the rest (but we put up with it because the rest of the country is not as vocal as they are). As often happens, when a region is wealthier than the rest, they want independence because the solidarity principles upon which the constitution of just about every single country in Europe is built, no longer fits in with their greed (yes, they do contribute a little more than other states, but they're not the only ones). The current rulers of the Catalan region have done a great job at convincing a considerable percentage of the population (which could be close to 50%) that they'll be better off as an independent state. Take one of its more prominent rulers, Junqueras, who in his path towards convincing the population, has said things like: "The catalan race (sic!) is superior to that of the average Spaniard. From a genetic standpoint, we have more in common with the French than with the people of other regions within Spain". Nobody has ever heard of a "Catalan race" in the rest of the world before (Our ancestors in Spain are Romans, Iberians, celts, Germanic barbarians, Jews and Arabs... yes, we're pretty mixed up, and we're happy with it!) but unfortunately, he has convinced many people in the Catalan region. Let's see what those French people that he likes to compare himself to think of these fanatics: frontnews.eu/news/en/15299/Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-called-Catalans-stupid-Corsicans-on-cover
@al-thaqib1454
@al-thaqib1454 9 жыл бұрын
Catalonia should never desperate from Spain.
@TPerm-hj4sf
@TPerm-hj4sf 7 жыл бұрын
Independence for my room.
@dominationyt7834
@dominationyt7834 6 жыл бұрын
Left anti pc 😂
@elaxel1469
@elaxel1469 9 жыл бұрын
expoliation, parasitary relationship
@laurakvi
@laurakvi 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you from Catalonia.
@ToiYeuYAHWEH
@ToiYeuYAHWEH 9 жыл бұрын
+lacvi I am a Free Vietnamese and I support Free Catalonia!!! Our flags are very similar!! :-) FREEDOM FOR CATALONIA!!! FREEDOM FOR VIETNAM!! DEATH TO COMMUNISM FOREVER!! Amen.
@danielsaputro877
@danielsaputro877 6 жыл бұрын
Catalunya es Espana forever.
@samuelgomez4101
@samuelgomez4101 8 жыл бұрын
FREE MURCIA! We were also a Kingdom that reach to Valencia with the Wolf King, we deserve also the independence!! Ah no...Murcia is poor...And Catalonia is rich...
@spanishcrab
@spanishcrab 6 жыл бұрын
Good resume, although it is missing a lot of information and mixing concepts. It wasn’t the government who declared it illegal, it is illegal because of the constitution. For me it is something that needs much more than 2 minutes to be explained, it is a really complex issue, not easy to compare with Quebec or Scotland either, because of historical reasons.
@franciscopaco7465
@franciscopaco7465 9 жыл бұрын
Spain always hate to Catalonia
@y4g4rls0n8
@y4g4rls0n8 9 жыл бұрын
Thats a Lie, i love catalonia, been going there since i have 2 years, for me the thing is clear, the goverment of catalonia uses the independece of this region to "hide" the masacre they r doing there, just look how many catalonian companies have break down during the last years. Historically they have the same reasons to ask for independence than the rest of communities of Spain. Spain is a country result of mixed kingdoms that have unify themselves with political "unions" and weedings in the medievla age, Catalonia was part of the Kingdom of Aragon, thats the closest they were to the independece.
@gwangvatar
@gwangvatar 9 жыл бұрын
catholic hate a catholic
@STV240
@STV240 9 жыл бұрын
Pero la corona aragonesa aunque se llame asi era la unificacion de dos reinos y no que aragon governara por encima de "Catalunya" ya que el que governava en este reino era un "rei" de barcelona
@y4g4rls0n8
@y4g4rls0n8 9 жыл бұрын
Condado de Barcelona, igual que ocurria en otras tantas partes de europa que en su momento eran partes de otras coronas de mayor poder, con los siglos han dado a lo que hoy conocemos como europa. Lo que hay que mirar es por unirnos mas todos los paises del mundo en vez de separarnos amparandonos en q como tengo otro idioma y mi cultura no es exactamente la misma (como si andalucia, pais vasco, extremadura, Galicia, Canarias etc, no tuvieran su propia cultura) ya somos otro pais, por esa regla de 3 como en mi comunidad de vecinos hablamos nuestro propio idioma y tenemos celebraciones independientes las que hace el estado, tenemos que ser un pais propio... por favor, mas sentido comun.
@recerne1
@recerne1 9 жыл бұрын
PauCat. No era l´unificaçió de dos regnes, era el regne d´Arago i el comptat de Barcelona que fins aquell moment era un vasall dels reis de França.
@axelcross3996
@axelcross3996 6 жыл бұрын
Tajani and Juncker have sold European principles for Asturias prize. Catalonia is not Spain.
@tonyshi7568
@tonyshi7568 9 жыл бұрын
Free Catalonia! Shame on Spain!!
@DonLyud
@DonLyud 9 жыл бұрын
+Tony Shi Shame for what ?
@juanpablofernandez3536
@juanpablofernandez3536 7 жыл бұрын
Catalonia free of WHAT? maybe free of an independentist Govern in minority who are trying to IM-PO-SE an ilegal referendum in spite of thousand of Catalans don't want them to comete such an ilegal consult? Please, do inform yourself about that. Shame of Toni
@josehernandez-mt8zl
@josehernandez-mt8zl 7 жыл бұрын
Most of the Catalans are not independentistas but we are afraid to show Spanish flags. There is no democracy in Catalonia if you are not a nationalist.
@TommyCoughlinHomespunYarns
@TommyCoughlinHomespunYarns 9 жыл бұрын
Catalonia is about 15% of Spain's Population and contributes about 20% to the economy of Spain. I support Catalans in their quest for autonomy and independence but wonder if the success of this venture might not provoke similar violence and repression on the part of Spain. It has happened before. Llarg Catalunya Viu!
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
A lot of other Spanish regions pay far more, Madrid itself for example, it depends on the rent of the region.
@Sext95
@Sext95 9 жыл бұрын
+Tommy Coughlin Catalonia sells its products to the rest of Spain, we are the 80% of its sales
@spanishcrab
@spanishcrab 6 жыл бұрын
Please, don’t be biased with simple propaganda actions. If you support the distribution of richness with taxes, you can not defend the independence of the rich region because “they pay more”. If they do it it is because they are richer and they help with that to other regions where people struggle more to have a decent life. I am against the violence when it is unjustified, but I am also against fake propaganda, history manipulation, scholar indoctrination, and hate injection.
@juanfrancisco9957
@juanfrancisco9957 8 жыл бұрын
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Catalonia is Spain
@michaeljordan2809
@michaeljordan2809 6 жыл бұрын
Free Catalonia
@e.h274
@e.h274 7 жыл бұрын
people themselves must choose how they live
@amarLoveMore
@amarLoveMore 4 жыл бұрын
The Mexican Americans have more claim for independence on the whole western part of the United States than the Catalans will ever have in Spain. If you would argue that cultural, ethnic and historic dwelling governs the right for independence, then the Mexican Americans have a much stronger claim for claiming the entire western United States as an independent country from the United States of America, the United States of Mexico and the Kingdom of Spain, for that "historic" matter! So, if you think Catalonia deserves independence, then just give all the western United States to "La Raza" Chicano Power - Mexican American, and recognize it as the Aztlan Nation. The Catalan argument fomenting this independence movement is based on corrupt politicians wanting to break the law in hopes of keeping fraudulently obtained funds.
@soshelp4085
@soshelp4085 Жыл бұрын
I think the independence of Texas and California is not far away
@scottmonfort
@scottmonfort Жыл бұрын
Thumbs down for not having any analysis on the reasons ... do they really give more than they take?
@andreucasanellas7276
@andreucasanellas7276 6 жыл бұрын
VISCA CATALUNYAAA!
@fridtjofbjarturson8798
@fridtjofbjarturson8798 9 жыл бұрын
FIGHT FOR IT THEN!!!
@RaxonLps
@RaxonLps 9 жыл бұрын
free Catalonia!! From Kosova.
@JezeDS
@JezeDS 9 жыл бұрын
+RiCO Every village wants independence :)) Kosovo is Serbia, Catalonia is Spain.
@ArchYeomans
@ArchYeomans 8 жыл бұрын
+Tube Jube Spain is Catalonia. Get your facts straight.
@paulc.9876
@paulc.9876 7 жыл бұрын
but nobody cares about that and everyone cares about Barcelona
@spanishmasterpieces5203
@spanishmasterpieces5203 7 жыл бұрын
thetick532 and albania is yougoslavia!
@luisusero8507
@luisusero8507 7 жыл бұрын
Video "short" en todos los sentidos. ¿¿¿por qué no se menciona a los catalanes contrarios a la independencia y que no participan en esas demostraciones???? PUES SON LA MAYORÍA. Si se celebra el simulacro del 1 Octubre no irá a votar nadie mas que los independentistas. En el simulacro de 2014 solo participaron 1.850.000 de los más de 6.000.000 potenciales votantes, o sea, ni un tercio del total. Eso sí, todos los partidarios de la independencia fueron a votar.
@Kongorlobo
@Kongorlobo 7 жыл бұрын
300 years? That's not true. Spain wasn't born then. The first Spanish modern state came in 1812. And the first big kingdom union a la UK, came in 1492. And Catalonia didn't choose the "losing side" in the Civil War. As a region full of industrial burgeoise, there were A LOT of franchoists there, as in the rest of Spain. The ones who lost were the low-middle and working classes, in Catalonia, in Castille, in Asturias or Andalusia: EVERYWHERE IN SPAIN. But you know, this bourgeoise still rule Catalonia, so it's better to say that Spain as a country was the fascist enemy, than to say Catalan bourgoise was part of the fascist criminals.
@herodess
@herodess 7 жыл бұрын
"The problem is that Spain's Government opposes the vote", says the NBC. This is false. The vote is illegal because the Spanish Constitution states the integrity of the territory, so it's not the government opposing anything, but the democratic law. By the way almost all Constitutions in the world include the integrity of the territory, including the US, Germany France and so on. The Constitution can be changed follow democratic procedure in the Palament, which is where democracy resides, but Catalans separatists chose to break the law instead.
@albertolaveronblanco9515
@albertolaveronblanco9515 6 жыл бұрын
What about the Catalans that don’t want independence?
@a.a.m9226
@a.a.m9226 6 жыл бұрын
Would they vote in a legal referendum? Oh, i forget, there isn't legal form for a referendum
@berdaz
@berdaz 7 жыл бұрын
Did Catalonia picked the loosing side in the civil war? That is so misunderstood. Learn about Spanish history before you make a video like this.
@vaishakpremnath2454
@vaishakpremnath2454 9 жыл бұрын
If or When Catalonia gets its independence what will happen to F.C. Barcelona????
@hd_cat1197
@hd_cat1197 9 жыл бұрын
Vaishak Premnath Nothing... Barcelona is part of Catalonia. Actually, the football team is always supporting the independence process.
@danielaltisent997
@danielaltisent997 9 жыл бұрын
Vaishak Dragneel Barcelona will keep playing the LFP leage, both are interested un them
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Altisent you wish, Spain has lot of good teams and no need of FCB, on the other hand Catalonia is somehow short in good football clubs
@danielaltisent997
@danielaltisent997 9 жыл бұрын
I am agree to exchange the independence with FC Barcelona gets out of LFP league
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Altisent good luck then, I think Catalonian business thinks different.
@fuenareva
@fuenareva 7 жыл бұрын
Just an explanatory note, Catalonia did pick the "loosing side" of the civil war, but it'd be nice to inform viewers that the "loosing side" was the one that defended the Republican legal legitimacy. The "winning side" was started by a coup of fascist army men. And also, it'd be more accurate to hear "the victor and FASCIST dictator F. Franco"...
@Kongorlobo
@Kongorlobo 7 жыл бұрын
Adrian Fuentes And "Catalonia" did not pick a side. A lot of Catalans did, but not Catalonia itself. IN FACT, CATALAN BOURGEOISE WAS DEEPLY FRANCHOIST.
@torta5869
@torta5869 6 жыл бұрын
My last name is Catalan
@janterheide2779
@janterheide2779 8 жыл бұрын
i have one question WHAT WAS FIRST CATALONIA OR SPAIN?
@thekyle1883
@thekyle1883 8 жыл бұрын
spain
@mrbukater2794
@mrbukater2794 8 жыл бұрын
Spain began with the unions of Castille and Aragon(current cataluña) (the marriage of the Catholic kings)
@rey82rey82
@rey82rey82 7 жыл бұрын
Rural California is with you Catalonia! Si!
@marialuisa4227
@marialuisa4227 7 жыл бұрын
Debemos de estar unidos y ayudarnos unos a otros es muy egoísta querer separarse del resto de España. Barcelona siempre ha estado en el mapa de España incluida. Porque ahora se quiere separar, porque se creen superiores a los demás, que pena. Mucha corrupción en Barcelona insolentes y arrogantes.
@hiiamsoshook6128
@hiiamsoshook6128 7 жыл бұрын
FREE THE CATALONIA FROM PHILIPPINES. BUT BARCELONA :( NAH WE STILL HAVE MADRID.
@emiliosgregoriou8943
@emiliosgregoriou8943 9 жыл бұрын
Is this the new Kosovo now? Are we gonna start seeing Spanish bashing the Catalans and the Catalans bashing the Spanish?
@thewatcherspain7769
@thewatcherspain7769 8 жыл бұрын
chosanzapan I am pretty sure every human in Catalunya has a different DNA, that's what science says
@Diggnuts
@Diggnuts 8 жыл бұрын
+Emilios Gregoriou If you wanted to use Yugoslavia as an analogue, Catalonia would be, at best, Slovenia and perhaps a bit like Croatia. But the main difference between spain and Yugoslavia is that the (anti-)seperatist motivations are mostly directly economical with ethnic undertones than the other way around. Slovenia was "allowed" to separate because there was no critical ethnic minority there. In Bosnia-Herzegovina the population was 1/3 Bosnian Serb which made independance more of a problem than anything else.
@mybleddrykids
@mybleddrykids 6 жыл бұрын
Freedom for us! Freedom for us! We've got to be really free Catalans\Valencians! Freedom is what we need! Freedom is what we want! Our Independence, a must! ... (Catalan Patriotic Song by FIRSTKAPOKMAN)
@FIRSTKAPOKMAN
@FIRSTKAPOKMAN 5 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that you appreciate my precious Catalan\Valencian Patriotic Song. Much obliged, dear 'mybled drykids'.
@soshelp4085
@soshelp4085 Жыл бұрын
used for UB PSC103
@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Facts
@Facts_Are_Facts_Are_Facts 3 ай бұрын
Israel recognises Catalunya! ❤
@Diluted_ESP
@Diluted_ESP 9 жыл бұрын
Catalonia wants independence in a way that goes against the Spanish constitution, passed in 1978 by the citizens. Besides corruption among political leaders, Pujol, who was more encouraged this independence, it has been found with several million of doubtful origin abroad. Also on November 9 and it was clear what he wants most of the inhabitants of Catalonia, about 70% abstention vote at that consultation that could vote minors and immigrants, says it all. If something does not mean I'm sorry, I'm with the translator.
@mrbukater2794
@mrbukater2794 8 жыл бұрын
besides 90% of catalans voted in favor of that constitution
@spanishmasterpieces5203
@spanishmasterpieces5203 7 жыл бұрын
Catalonia is spain! Thake that for sure!
@tm87sa56
@tm87sa56 7 жыл бұрын
SARAJEVO AND BARCELONA FOREVER! Free B&H and Free Catalonia! GO HOME SPAIN!
@davidminadomingo5471
@davidminadomingo5471 9 жыл бұрын
I'm staying with the Castilians ... I don't like being Catalonian
@marialuisa4227
@marialuisa4227 7 жыл бұрын
A lot nicer. Not so selfish and arrogant.
@SUPERNIAPER
@SUPERNIAPER 9 жыл бұрын
the catalan nationalistic leaders, like Francesc Cambò, Josep Pla, Carles Sentis, Ramón Franco or Felix Millet i Martisany supported, financed Franco and fought with him during the Spanish Civil War against the Spanish Democracy in 1936
@JudithBellmunt
@JudithBellmunt 5 жыл бұрын
Free the political prisoners! 🎗🎗🎗
@Miguel-fo9cd
@Miguel-fo9cd 4 ай бұрын
Cataluña es españa
@bulletproof6113
@bulletproof6113 9 жыл бұрын
Kurdistan supports free catalonia
@jessicacole8404
@jessicacole8404 7 жыл бұрын
*Keep fighting the good fight in Kurdistan-Texas*
@bennycatania8923
@bennycatania8923 9 жыл бұрын
Free Catalonia! From Sicily! BEDDA SICILIA!
@funnycnn
@funnycnn 7 жыл бұрын
Chinese Tibet is the best I've visited
@grexit7807
@grexit7807 9 жыл бұрын
otro documental al servicio de la Generalitat y TV3....
@lukebickner6013
@lukebickner6013 8 жыл бұрын
Free Catalonia.
@gwangvatar
@gwangvatar 9 жыл бұрын
when europe try too curse other european nation
@informer3000
@informer3000 7 жыл бұрын
"Soccer" team :-p Good ol' America.
@DaVidaSal444
@DaVidaSal444 4 жыл бұрын
#Jilloverevolution is on minute 1;34 #artivism
@9459
@9459 3 жыл бұрын
hi
@LauraBalku
@LauraBalku 8 жыл бұрын
visca catalunya!
@tombkings6279
@tombkings6279 9 жыл бұрын
no a españa todavia tiene much que vivir
@metehanekinci3499
@metehanekinci3499 9 жыл бұрын
Freedom Catalonia and Basque!
@nguoivietaiquoc7145
@nguoivietaiquoc7145 9 жыл бұрын
+Metehan Ekinci I am a Free Vietnamese from America and I support both Free Catalonia and Basque!!! :-D
@Onneukbaar
@Onneukbaar 8 жыл бұрын
Si! Catalonia and basque independence. They both have a unique culture and language
@Kongorlobo
@Kongorlobo 7 жыл бұрын
Pablokalata3 And every autonomus community in Spain has a distict culture.
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
You mean long story lie!!. First of all you need to get you facts right, Catalonia is a part of Spain since its formation in the XVth century what happened in 1714 was a succession war that's been used by the Catalan government to back its independence. Apart from that Catalonia lost in the civil war but so did a lot of other parts in Spain, among those Madrid itself. You judge Catalonia like Scotland, but Scotland entered the UK, Catalonia was a part of Spain since its formation. It's not a state and it's never been an independent land. Besides that you dare speak about something you have absolutely no idea, Madrid pays more to the government than Catalonia with less population, you judge as if Catalonia was a US state that rules itself, this is Europe, Catalonia's been ruled by the central government and every single thing they have has been financed by the central government, it's so easy to speak when you know nothing...
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
+chosanzapan sé perfectamente todo eso a rasgos generales, pero es que los detalles de esa guerra cambian algo lo que he dicho?
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
+chosanzapan es que yo no he negado que no existiera antes de España he dicho que España no existía antes de Cataluña, es una parte formarte como cualquier otra, y a parte de eso de forma independiente existió bastante poco y gracias al vasallaje a Francia.
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
+chosanzapan que tu quieres insistir en que era independiente dentro de Aragón, también lo eran otras regiones dentro de Castilla y se llama feudalismo no es que fueran países distintos. Además ni Valencia ni Baleares se quejan ni Aragón tampoco. A parte de eso, a mi no me perece justo para los que han invertido casi todo lo que tenéis que sencillamente decidáis iros pero hay veces que pienso, y por qué no se van y a ver quién paga sus pensiones? Por qué no se van y que se queden sin empresas? Por qué no se van y se llevan su deuda? Si lo más ridículo es que si España entera votara no saldría que no, como os ha salido a vosotros, saldría un sí pero apoteósico.
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
+chosanzapan Cataluña era un conjunto vasallos del Imperio Carolingio cuando España aún no existía sí, pero es que antes había estado en el mismo saco que el resto de España con los romanos o los visigodos y después de ello durante siglos hasta hoy. Tres siglos de vasallaje a Francia porque España estaba tomada por los Árabes frente a todo lo demás pintan más bien poco...
@casrvsfv3172
@casrvsfv3172 9 жыл бұрын
+chosanzapan y a mi no me parece ni justo ni productivo que os vayáis, es una pena que pudiendo ir mucho mejor todos juntos haya que ser idiotas y separarnos. Pero te aseguro que lo único que estáis creando con todo esto, es el odio del resto de España. Es que no entiendo, qué os pensáis que pasaría si os independizaseis?
@Mr8063
@Mr8063 6 жыл бұрын
Even then, I don't see where the problem lies? Spain is not torturing catalonia. isn't it?
@seximexi5839
@seximexi5839 9 жыл бұрын
LE PREGUNTE A UN CATALAN COMO SE DISE "HOLA COMO ESTAS" EN CATALAN Y ME RESPONDIO "HOLA COM ESTAS" HAHAHAHA Y CREN QUE TIENEN SU PROPIO IDIOMA SE ESCUCHA IGUAL A ESPAÑOL ... LOS CATALANES SON Y SIEMPRE SERAN ESPAÑOLES NO IMPORTA LO QUE DIGAN O LO QUE PIENSEN. Y CATALONIA NUNCA SE VS A SEPARAR DE ESPAÑA
@Nanroig141
@Nanroig141 9 жыл бұрын
Potser si t'ho dic en català ho entendràs com que s'escolten igual entenc que saps del que parlo: Em podries dir com es diu hola com estàs en mexicà? recorda 1821 i no siguis ignorant home...
@seximexi5839
@seximexi5839 9 жыл бұрын
LO QUE NESESITA ESPAÑA ES OTRO FRANCISCO FRANCO PARA PONER A ESTOS CATALANES EN SU LUGAR. CATALOÑA NUNCA SE VA A SEPARAR DE ESPAÑA NO IMPORTA CUANTO LLOREN. CATALOÑA ENFADA CON SU INDEPENDENCIA YA CALLENSE PARESEN VIEJAS LLORANDO Y CHINGANDO CON QUE QUIEREN EL DIVORCIO DE ESPAÑA HAHAHA
@seximexi5839
@seximexi5839 9 жыл бұрын
NO TODOS ALCANSAN LA INDEPENDENCIA. CATALONIA EN ESTE CASO VA ASER UNO DE ESOS. PERDON QUE TE DIGA PERO NO VA A PASAR NO EN ESTE TIEMPO NO NUNCA ASI TE QUEDASTE "ACEPTALO"
@seximexi5839
@seximexi5839 9 жыл бұрын
Y ENTONSES QUE? TODO EL MUNDO VIVIRA FELIS POR TODA LA VIDA?
@seximexi5839
@seximexi5839 9 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHAHAHA MEJOR SIERRA LA BOCA Y ACEPTA QUE LOS CATALANES SON ESPAÑOLES Y QUE CATALONIA SIEMPRE SERA ESPAÑA ANTES DE QUE CAUSEN UNA GUERRA CIVIL EN ESPAÑA Y DERRIBEN A LA PRECIADA IGLESIA DE LA SAGRADA FAMILIA.
@marc5511
@marc5511 7 жыл бұрын
This is not a very well documented video. Well explained but not well researched and missing a lot of important history dated back at least 400 years more. Catalonia existed before Spain. Spain was created with the married of the king of Catalonia and Aragon and the queen of Castilla in the c. XV ad
@tatarnavsegda4035
@tatarnavsegda4035 7 жыл бұрын
I am an ethnic Tatar from republic of Tatarstan in Russian Federation. I fully support independence for Catalonia! I also wish my Tatarstan to become independent from Russian, we have referendum of 1992 when majority of republic (61,4%) voted for independence but Russians did not let us go! Freedom for Catalonia! Freedom to Tatarstan!
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