I recommend the T.S Eliot poems.

@@thecinematicmind He deeply regretted that they were widely published. It wasn't what he wanted to be known for. He wrote them as a gift for a specific child, and had meant them for an audience of one. Read The Waste Land.

I recommend the ralphthemoviemaker review

You need to smoke more weed, take more fun drugs and embrace british eccentricity! It’s a Glorious film ! 🤯

Watch the Maggie Mae Fish review. It's life-changing

I left my sanity in Cineworld

A book by Robert W. Chambers, actually and a rather good one.

I know this is Lovecraft we're talking about, but what are the logistics of this play? How did they get through a table read? What were rehearsals like? Were the understudies told of this? What about closed and open dress rehearsals? I can get behind unfathomable, unimaginable evil, but I need answers for these questions dammit!

@@Enevan1968 I have it by my bedside right now - isn't it the case that both are true? It was written by Chambers, but it does exist as a part of the Lovecraft mythos, as many people have contributed to it over the years (Clarke Ashton Smith, for example)

@@staidenofanarchy The King in Yellow is not written by Lovecraft and Hastur is the most famous creatures not created by Lovecraft. But in my opinion The King in Yellow is an amazing read if you love cosmic horror. However, for a quick answer... Hastur's influence spreads like a virus, hearing his name or seeing his sign will spread his influence and control. He seems to prefer to target creative types, so figures rehearsing and performing the play are now already under his influence. And they have an obsessive need to show others the Yellow Sign or spread Hasturs name. For them, what better way then an act of art? Edit: wrote this in a rush and made it sound like Hastur was added into the mythos later. He was not. He was created by Ambrose, first made into a more Cosmic Horror story by Chambers, name dropped by Lovecraft, then made into a full fledged old one by Derleth. Didnt mean it to come off like that

You need to smoke more weed and embrace british eccentricity ! 🤯

Laughing like Arya Stark when The Hound brought her to The Vale?

@@withalittlehelpfrom3 More like Walter White in the crawlspace.

I did the same thing with Assassination Nation. Me and my buddy got so delirious that we went around the theatre pointing at the screen. We were the only ones in the theatre after the one other guy in the front left 20 minutes in because we were laughing too much.

what are talking about this was a materpieace x

Not sad but well deserved.

The true dark fate was that we live in a world in which Cats and Terminator Dark Fate exist.

@@BaranoffIsaac I clearly disagree.

@@BaranoffIsaac there is no debating taste. Still damned glad that we do not share our taste in movies.

@@BaranoffIsaac Finally someone who agrees with me! :D And to you others: of course "Dark Fate" can't live up to the first two movies. Not even to the third one. But it was far more entertaining than the two movies before. To me, at least, it was a decent movie.

I just remember growing up hearing from my parents how terrible Cats was. We rarely went the theatre, they just let me know how terrible of an idea Cats was.

@@zerphase The general feeling of the musical Cats is one either loves it or finds it very boring/uncomprehensible. There is almost no middle ground.

I remember those days when Lesbian Vampire Killers came out. It was only the beginning of a massive shitshow of an actor’s career.

You spelt *everything* wrong

@@BaranoffIsaac one of my favourites, pity he says "i got this" so many times though

Of course. He’s an awful person

@@Imlaor25 One of the worst celebrities that's for sure

I've been wondering that too. The stage production of Cats worked for YEARS with just stylised cat costumes and the limitations of effects and props for the stage. With a limited budget and an emphasis on good directing and cinematography, Cats could have been a great musical, instead of what we got. Then again, Ryan George put it best - perhaps this was also one of those instances where the stage production should have stayed in the theatre and not be made into a movie. (and we already had a Cats "movie" to begin with, that being the 90s filming of a stage production)

Because costumes aren’t meant to be seen up close in 4k. You ever talk to someone who is wearing a ton of makeup on their face? Whether they are wearing a costume or just not good with makeup. It looks terrible.

Because they wanted to be seen to spend a lot of money because there were a lot of big names in it. Big names, big money is all you need for big profits right? The very definition of lazy.

@@Theyungcity23 do you seriously think it would look better than the CGI homunculi we have now. Don't forget cinema was around for decades without CGI.

@@ieuanhunt552 but 4k hasn't been around as long as cinema. With the level of detail we expect in a movie the CG costume route that we also saw in Avengers Endgame is the best route at the moment. And the nekomata cat human fusion is what Cats is.

If they really want to make another ALW movie musical, they should adapt Billy Wilder's Sunset Blvd. I'm a fan of musicals but not really an ALW fan BUT I think the music in his adaptation of Sunset Blvd. was pretty good. Not Jesus Christ Superstar good but real good.

So Thomas the tank engine?

Call it "Starlight Express: A Marriage of Iron and Flesh"

Nice

Weyland-Yutani approves!

Maybe. But I heard a fan of the stage show say that its appeal was largely about the dancing. They would hire really great dancers to perform spectacular choreography. And all that gets lost when you digitally replace someone's body.

I've been wondering if an animated cats could work. Think is, if there was an animated Cats, it should be a straight adaptation of the original T.S. Eliot's book "Old Possum;s Book of Practical Cats", because the stage production and flow of Cats the Musical was focused on being "a play", with an emphasis on dancing.

@@iAmTheSquidThing As a fan I can confirm, the dancing and of course singing is one of the top appeals of Cats. This new movie failed to realize that so we got stuck with mediocre dancing and singing 😔. It doesn't help that they ditched almost all the stage choreography for whatever they have in the movie

It needed to be real humans in real make up on real sets, and stick to the original play. It’s not complicated people. 🤯

@@hanniffydinn6019 exactly. The 1998 filmed version did it right

The magic of fun vs 50million dollar budget? Sounds about right! I still have a VHS wich i wach from time to time haha

I remember watching Cats as a kid, and it was a lot of fun. I know it has no clear narrative or meaning but I liked the music and the strange premise. This film version is just terrifying.

Its on blu-ray and it looks better.

TheBlankFromHeck oh it makes sense now. I was way too young to understand it back in the day when I saw it.

I also really love the old one, and having seen the new one is not as good obviously but I feel like its still CATS so you might have a good time watching it!

Talentless too. I go by the rule of thumb that if he is involved in a production in any capacity, it will be sh*t.

I can't believe Craig Ferguson replaced the show with that asshole. Wtf was he thinking?

You forgot talentless and corporate manufactured too!

I think he works nicely with his talk-show bits as short, amusing youtube clips you sometimes watch (so, really, ALL late night at this point, with Conan being the one who showed the rest the fact that late night works perfecting for the KZfaq era).

@@xBINARYGODx Good God, man, NO! "His" bits that he does are ALL stolen from other, more talented people, in the UK. Nothing he does is original or interesting, you're only rewarding his hackery by engaging with it. How he got Craig Ferguson's job when he left, I'll never understand. No matter what he's doing, he is the exact same, dull, talentless and insufferable prat. The funniest thing I've ever seen involving Corden is when he got pissy with Patrick Stewart at an award show for Stewart mocking his big belly. Now that was comedy.

I want internet gas powers; it's better than Shakespeare's powers

theres actually a fur effect in after effects. it can be quite difficult to use and doesnt always achieve the best results.

*artistic-merit.exe was not found*

In that scene the interviewer looks like she's just come from a root canal with inadequate anaesthesia

I love that George put Star Wars music in the background as she said that.

Having been exposed to a bit of how the creative side of the music industry ‘works’ I’m not surprised at all to find that Swift is just a lazy chancer.

@@wattage2007 as a musician i just wana say... ugh, sigh.

Human sized cats or cat sized cats, that suddenly become small enough to sit on a railroad rail like it is a stool (6:59) This movie is a disaster. It is going to axe kick Showgirls out of its number one spot in the "worst of" lists.

They seem like DT hallucinations, that's how they keep changing size too.

they seem more like rat sized... my cats way bigger on the table than they are for sure

@@LividImp I though Gigli had long taken over that throne.

You need to smoke more weed and not think. Embrace british eccentricity! 🤯

Koenshakuable best thing i heard was there was a first cut where everyone had CGI buttholes, and someone had to go in and CGI them all out ....... hahahahaha ha It’s like the Snyder Cut... The Sphincter Cut!!

@@allendean9807 i want it

@@allendean9807 Dang! That's like The poor bastard who had to cut down J-lo's backside in that movie Cell. (I think that's what it was called) I just remember her as the skank who stole Beat-Nut's 'Watch out now' Riff. Now I wanna listen to old hip hop. So something positive DID come out of this asshole affair... Ugh... Crazy cat ladies went crazy for a reason after all! Thanks for the giggles!

The Last_Saint They had to _wipe_ them all out, one by one...is the way I read it. Where’d he put all those buttholes?

Pretty sure that was Ricky Gervais at the Golden globes. Not sure where he first heard it, though.

105%

I had that before, thought I was getting to meet James Wong and it was actually James Hong; true story.

Could you imagine the stink from PETA?

"Who should we get to direct?" "Tobe Hooper." "Uh, did you mean Tom Hooper?" "No. Tobe Hooper." "But...He's dead." "Oh. Well, get Tom Hooper then. It'll be cheaper."

Except Les Miz was at hit for Universal. Tom Hooper made Les Miz, not much else to say.

LOL

Nothing a trip to the vet can't take care of...

that is a brass pair. or a total lack of self-awareness...

@@daltonbedore8396 I assume it was desperation. They really wanted that Oscar. They needed it to come out around Christmas to try to make it a sentimental thing and they rushed it to achieve that goal.

Thankfully, Universal withdrew the campaign for Cats, and focused on 1917 instead.

The Doom franchise is another example of this... Just compare Doom Eternal (game) to Doom Annihilation (direct to dvd). P.s. Funny thing is, the Doom films always went for an 'Alien' type story, while in my personal opinion I feel they should've went closer to a 'Die-hard meets Event Horizon'.

Jamston Julian Yes - it's like it was a "24 hour film challenge" for studios.

someone probably said ‘should we do this at all?’ at some point in pre production. i’m sure they were batted away because the money people think that taking something everyone’s heard of with Andrew Lloyd Webber’s name attached and throwing a bunch of celebrities at it ‘can’t possibly fail’. and to be fair to the money people, that formula often works

Shaine White This movie was worse than the Fanatic which is just making fun of people with mental disabilities and demonizing them? Come on

@@Theyungcity23 uh...yes, it absolutely is.

@@emarskineel how so?

@@Theyungcity23 having watched neither, save a stage production of cats. Cats is one of the worst things ever made. Making fun of disabled people might be funny.

Shaine White yeeesh how bad were the winners in the categories they lost?

But no butthole.

Read this as Gentile Cat.

Jellicle songs for Jellicle cats

its creepy AF and i saw lots of stuff

Cheshire Cat I have to wonder what they had on Dench and McKellen to get them into that turkey.

Poor Tugger never recovered after that one.

From what I understand part of the problem both in that movie and Cats is the actors/actresses were allowed to set the tempo of the songs with the orchestra having to work around that with the already written music. The fact that most of the actors/actresses aren't professional vocalists doesn't help either since they need coaches (and to listen to the coaches).

would actually be better

Realizing I’m going to have to watch more footage from Cats “Maybe, we’ll see, old friend”

Peter Gruhn SPRINGTIME FOR HITLER.....

Duh, because it's the 21st century! 😄 😩 😔

They could've done it as a 3D animated film, I think it would also be more commercially successful that way because more kids would want to go.

Make-up and costume, CGI animation or styled 2-D animation... But, I'm with you despite not seeing the play nor this film. Hurts my heart, and my own ticker is run on caffeine at this point.

@@cottontail1039 Exactly. It's almost like movie makers are not interested in producing something with timeless appeal. Nah, they want their millennial shit to be immediately dated. Yeah, that's the ticket.

The play has been around forever and people still pay to see it, so why not just film the stage show for posterity? Why try to turn it into something it's not and never was?

That's the point I think... With CGI companies Hollywood created large behemoths that have to be constantly fed with new projects. Like the Karen haircut that Karen certainly didn't need but she definitely got persuaded to by the greedy hairdresser. Hard to upkeep, looks ratty after a week but also really expensive.

@@rosewatersaffron8430 Good point about the CGI companies. It would certainly explain why we have all these unnecessary bad CGI remakes of classic Disney films, like the Lion King.

I know! You can easily do the fur as as a practical effect, so why bother with CGI? Or if you're determined to go with CGI, have the actors wear full motion capture suits, and give the computer animators the time they needed to do it right. I agree with GRS; this movie was designed to be a cash grab, a sure thing with a built-in audience. Nobody in charge really cared about the project for its own sake; they just saw an acclaimed musical, and thought they could do it better and bigger, and cover themselves in reflected glory. It was lazy and cynical, and it justifiably failed.

Even if CATS 2019 was technologically advanced, it will age really really badly for the next 10 years.

Even we thought it looked horrendous.

I didn't know that was possible

The Furrries rejected it.

Yeah most of the people I know in the furry fandom were not enthusiastic about this movie.

Dont be silly, furries are into animals not horrible humanoid mutant hairy aliens

Oh god. I just realized you're right. They ARE kitten heels. /facepalm

I don't think I'll ever forget this comment...

Like she is not disturbing enough

There have been some good musical adaptations to movies but they tend to have down periods in them that aren't musical to provide exposition, character development, plot advances, etc.. and Cats is essentially all music. In many ways it has more in common with an opera than a standard musical.

Hell, even an hour and a half of cat videos on youtube would be preferable.

A friend who loves the theatrical musical also told me that they changed quite a few things in the movie, and not for the better.

@@jcohasset23 I've never seen the play live but back when I was in high school I remember someone had it on VHS and yes they changed things quite a bit.

Shite theatre translates to the big screen as... well... shite

The play isn’t shit. I’m not saying it’s the best thing ever but it’s not shite.

They also had some really weird terrible ideas. Like... Jennyanydots causally eating some of the roaches she was training. Which looks soooooo disturbing, since the roaches had human body and face as well. While Gumbie Cat song is a nice number in the musical, in the movie it just a terrible mess, with Jennyanydots just looking like an awkward, unfunny gluton and her causally eating the roaches while they are smiling is just... disgusting.

Hito Shura Try watching it on acid instead lol

At least Suicide Squad have some good moments here but it doesn't do any justice because WB butchered it. And look at what happened to Jared Leto after getting a lot of backlash for portraying the Joker wrong when the writers and the costume designers seemed to get away with the karma. Remember when Batman vs. Superman failed because of how confusing the plot was but the Ultimate cut really does make sense. I feel like the downfall for Synder is sad because of his daughter's death and people keep throwing some dirt on him while WB keeps laughing with their green piece of paper. Justice Leagues is an ultimate disaster to cinema and it's pretty laughable. Joss Whedon used to be great when he's working on Avengers (2012) but became more of a hypocrite because his work isn't that good (and yet WB hired him for an obvious reason). I'm glad that Synder Cut finally give him a redemption to fix the DCEU and it proves that WB shouldn't sabotaged the cinematic works. Cats 2019 was doomed from the start to finish when, while the plot was faithful to the musical, the designs doesn't do give anything to redeem itself because of how terrifying the designs are.

He would make the movie enjoyable

That would have at least made it fun.

can computer people do that?

@@daltonbedore8396 lol

Modt enjoyable movie after the room

True lmao! And it makes Troll 2 seem like Bride Of Frankenstein.

The Room is the result of a single incompetent narcissist having total control over the picture. Cats was made by an entire committee of Tommy Wiseau clones.

At least Plan 9 From Outer Space is a classic film unlike those modern "movies".

Little 2001 A Space Odyssey reference in the intro ?

"Better Off Dead" to be exact. :)

Tbh $90mil is mid-level these days

As always it gets hate and in a few months or year you will see a video saying how it is secretly genius.

@@Mr_Fancypants time does weird things to movies

Uncanny Valley says otherwise.

Hi there. Maybe you wont see this. But im actually curious if you feel like the winds have changed? If the movie is becoming a cult classic. No ill will in my question. Just real curiosity.

Q: Cats: What went wrong? A: Correct!

@chubbyurma This: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nrN6gbSAu9PXpok.html

@@kyleeconrad X The Eliminator says: "You are right!"

Bluth doing Cats would lead to it's own cognitive dissonance since Cats in his movies have always been portrayed as bloodthirsty killers outside of Tiger and Miss Kitty. Hell Tiger has to become a Dog in the second movie to take a lvl in badass,

Both Rent, as an early-mid 90s based story and Cats, done in the early 80s are 100% products of their time. Both still have worthy things to say though. The movie tried too hard to be more than that.

@@PixelatedH2O I hate musicals (except RHPS and Dr. Horrible's), but my wife loves them, so I hear about them all the time. We grew up in the 80s, young adults by the 90s, so Rent should have really connected with her, but I've never heard her shit on a musical like she does Rent. Her face still wrinkles up like someone farted every time it is mentioned. Everything she has told me about it does make it sound like a train wreck.

@@LividImp I was born in '82 and love both. Rent is probably one of the most emotional movies I've seen. I grew up on musicals though and love them in general.

@@PixelatedH2O She's never seen the movie, she was talking about the musical play from the 90s.

@@LividImp The musical and the movie are almost identical. The movie even has some of the same cast. I personally prefer the movie but both are great.

Landon Kemp I would murder at least several people to have a 2D animated Cats musical and would still be overjoyed by a fully CG one. What we got.. i did not want

Yeah, I understand, and even if those had failed critically and/or financially, they would have at least been visually interesting. What we got fails at even being that.

@@maniacaldude Well they did make the 1998 filmed stage version, really embodies what Cats is supposed to be. Still wish they were able to make the animated version though

After his awful screenplay on the film version of The Wiz. No.