Yes this makes no sense to me.. Can you explain this a little bit?

@@afatherofmany In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

Cullen Cowap What an excellent response! I never seen anything like this and it was extremely confusing. THANKS!

@@afatherofmany With camera on the back of the motor-pacer. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qM5ldrCfzd3de4k.html

@@FreekaPista thanks

It would even be difficult to explain it to with your sunday group ride mates

"so i'm being in front of this guy"

“I led Mark Cavendish to his latest victory. May I buy you a drink?”

@@Ezlivin I beat Mark Cavendish in his last race AND I'm a proper sized man.

@@Ezlivin since you're talking to a random girl at a pub, you might as well just tell her you taught jonathan to jibberwaggle

You stole my thunder! Seems like no point to this.

@@davidburgess741 if you've ever done a TT behind a derny, it's the same amount of pain as a normal TT, just faster is all.

As the fat guy pulling my friends. I have ti agree hahahahaha

@@paddychamp6069 it is allways like that. It never gets easier, you just go faster.

Yuuuup

You do realize he is on a light motorcycle? :-)

@@Penalist Did you watch the video? Motorcycles don't have pedals.

@@Penalist It's not a motorcycle! The old dude is pedaling! Mopeds have pedals, but that's not a moped. Mopeds have engines. That old dude is just a beast!

You make it sound like Cav isn’t stronger

He defended his position very well against the fast finishing CAV

Lmao HAHAHAHAHA

@@michaelveryhappy3829 i really hope your joking because you must have a tiny brain if not

Ho ho ho

You are so dumb....... the old man will cover the biker from the air

It's sad that some people really take this comment seriously.

You should check out The Maddison race

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

Kenneth KCC that’s quite normal for a young guy I used to do a 10 mile tt with my heart rate between 192-197 in my twenties

No its cavendish that has the ability to stay relax on sprints he said it

They should show a % of a rider's maximum instead as it's meaningless otherwise.

True... Max HR is unique. It's somewhat related with strength and capacoty of left chamber

@@ygs6519 being relaxed is different to high heart rate. No one can control their heart rate...

Only on the track or competing in a TT. Commuting to work, not so sick

@@russyJ20 lol. Commuting

@@samskisamsonof You've lost me. Misspelt?

They are petrol-engined

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

thank you for bringing light to this otherwise dumb dicipline

Why are those lead riders there? I ride those beach bikes for work. Those riders have to be in great shape as well.

@@JustAThought155 They are not beach bikes. They are light motorcycles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derny .

Um, that's what a derny race is

@@cornishalps9870 my point was that Cav's derny driver is a BIG draft!

Still look goofy from this pov: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qM5ldrCfzd3de4k.html&t ?

Same thing I think about soccer!!!😁😁😁😁😁🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🍺🍺🍺

@@Penalist yes, and don't even get me started on the sound.

@@Mike_Jones1980 You dont know much about cycling then, ey.

Yet you are here watching this Goofyness. What a dimwit 🤪😂

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

Yes they do

Derny racing.

Whatever it is it appears this "sport" has existed for eons.

@@andyz3925 the derny driver was peddling much faster than caleb’s derny rider- wtf. He was above the blue and diving down to the sprint line. Bizarre race. Seems more like a derny riders race than a track riders race. When we use a derny for interval training we use it as a lead out and race around the track until we get back into the lineup for more sprints. Also use it individually for increasing speed over a number of laps before we get dropped. Great training tool

@@ofeykalakar1 thanks for that info. Interesting. I had never seen or even heard of this sport. I have never been a Cav fan but if I'm understanding what your mentioning of the Derny it only gives me more reason why.

@@ofeykalakar1 8

@@ofeykalakar1 it is a fun team race tho, both riders need to cope with each others' speed to win

That's not really high. Most runners including myself run 2+ hours at that heart rate. My max rate during a run has actually been 210.

@@jasonjennings8465 Good to know, I Do local crit race with 8 effort intensity 10 on sprints, My HR averages on 160- high 170's and I'm 25. I think I would go crazy if my HR Goes beyond 200 I'm sure I'll have a trip to ER hahaha

@@jasonjennings8465 are you actually comparing m heart rates? Cavendish’s max is about 180, And Im pretty sure you would be able to hold yur 100%of max for more than 2 minutss

Lol. I’m 20 y/o. Max is 208 and I can hold 190 for roughly 20 minutes.

@@fogelmclovin2694 I'm 53 and I can hold 190 for about ... I'm sorry, what was I saying? And why am I lying on the floor?

@@DrewKime HAHAHA!!!

21 yo probably max is 199-200. i did 186 avg for about 37 min. down and up from 190

Does it need an explanation? Seems pretty self-explanatory to me and the commentary clears anything else up 🤦‍♂️

Something like 52/14 and upwards.

@@Penalist 52 ? Dang, For them 52T is a small ring for them, It's probably 55/11

@@PeakPotential46 Maybe, very maybe for a championship, but not for during the Sixes. See, e.g.: 'A second bike is kept aside for the derny events, usually with a disc wheel set up with a 54x14 (104.1"), though a smaller gear will be used for a derny madison. ' on www.fatnick.com/

They probably shout pace up or down or something...

Not really! He doesn’t have the top end speed like the greats

@@bikefax8177 still has a rly good spriny

@@bikefax8177 *sprint

@@bikefax8177 Haha, yes he does. He has one of the highest top ends of any of them. Cav even grudgingly said it in an interview, and Cav is my favourite.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced"m by petrol engined, light moto bikes. By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

@@Penalist thanx What is the max speed they can catch?

@@wakeawaken430 Behind these light motorbikes, say 45 miles per hour, but that would be in the final lap.

@@Penalist impressive

@@wakeawaken430 They are top-level professionals, so in some way it has to be, otherwise no-one would be interested in paying to see them do it. But the speed is one thing; the combination of pacer/rider getting the most out of the riders heart/lungs/legs, at the right moments is the second, perhaps more interesting thing.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

Please...and bib shorts would have made a difference?

wdym?

London six day last year you can see lee valley on the boards

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

I'm a brit and I've never seen this before. I'm a cycling casual but olympic velodrome fanatic. I've never seen more than one derny on a track. Anyway Cav won so its a great event. Whatever this event is.

It is not British. If you have to put a regional aspect on it, it would be European.

Cipollini, who tested positive for EPO and was rumoured to have used virtually every other illicit product, deserves to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

They are not blocking, they are creating draft.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced." By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.

@@Penalist thank you

Only the keirin events in Japan are, the Sixdays-events nor derny-racing never were.

Check out Gerry Moore, The Little Black Bottle. 19th century and early 20th century cycling, pacing by motorbikes and 2, 3, 4, even 5-man tandems for star to draft and go faster. All betting. Same with cricket in 18th and 19th centuries

In this event the racers are being "moto-paced"m by petrol engined, light moto bikes. By riding behind the motorized cycle, the racers don't have have to contend with as much wind resistance and can go faster with the same amount of effort. That said, they are still putting out massive power and consequently going extremely fast for the distance they are covering. Racers can signal for their pacing partner to increase speed, cavendish "nods" his head several times to increase the pace. The riders need to be very focused on not losing the draft when accelerating, as the penalty for falling just a little behind is massive at these speeds. The derny race is definitely a strange beast, and tends to run very differently from other events. Because the racers don't need to rely on their competitors to get a draft, there is rarely a sprint finish, and instead the race is won by whoever can sustain their power for the entire duration. In the video, which only starts at the very end of the race, Cavendish is able to lay down the hammer on the last lap and catch up to Ewan who is beginning to slow before the finish.