Ceased too soon?! | East Coast - Failed Franchises #15

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Hello & welcome to the fifteenth episode of Failed Franchises. In this series I look at train companies that have failed at their franchise agreements or have been criticised by passengers & industry alike. Today is the third episode of my mini series on the East Coast Mainline and its operators. Today I am looking at East Coast and discuss whether or not EC should be classed as a failed franchise.
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@Vanmanyo 20 күн бұрын

Thank you so so so much for 5,000 subscribers! I hugely appreciate your support and hope to continue to make interesting and educational videos on Britain's rail network :D Also, thanks to those who gave me permission to use their footage for this video: www.youtube.com/@Roo63 www.youtube.com/@Tonysrailvideos www.youtube.com/@NapierNimbus www.youtube.com/@LinesideSouthEast www.youtube.com/@RoyTheMouth

@AberdonaiBrum101 17 күн бұрын

Well done mate! :D Something you deserve! :D

@BlueKangaroo2229 17 күн бұрын

Staff morale and senior management were both poor. The potential was there to achieve a lot, but the government were determined for a nationalised operator to fail.

@katrinabryce 17 күн бұрын

They can't be considered a failed franchise, because a, they were not a franchise, and b, they didn't fail. The privatised operators before and after failed, and it had to be renationalised again.

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

Good point! I can't think of a good alliterative name to call EC so failed franchises will have to do!

@joj. 17 күн бұрын

Bizarre that the ECML franchise is basically just: • Private Operator that performs mostly okay, probably loses money and declares the route unprofitable. • Quits or gets stripped of contract. • National Operator most people like, performs well and still cheaper than privatisation. • Repeat

@ethmister 17 күн бұрын

It's the flawed system where the private bit winner wins solely by either offering the money or least subsidy. Problem was every ECML didn't get what they said

@SiVlog1989 16 күн бұрын

As far as I'm concerned, the fact that profitability, customer satisfaction and punctuality were at an all time high (at the time) for the way it was run under the Department of Transport, it was an inconvenience to the government in wanting to maintain the franchise system. They consciously didn't want the railways to be renationalised, I feel that this was because they didn't want the "Operator of Last Resort" to be a long term solution. Therefore, when it was handed back to the Private sector, I was dismayed by the move, but also predicted it would go the same way as the previous National Express franchise, terminated earlier than planned due to over promising and under delivering. In the latter case, I was proved right

@ajfrostx 17 күн бұрын

East Coast was great! They had a bunch of cheap discounted tickets and the food service was good - both disappeared immediately with Virgin. The only failure here was for the government to insist at the 3rd attempt at privatisation for idealogical reasons - which of course was also unsuccessful.

@Ben-yz4jh 16 күн бұрын

for much of the time East Coast were running I was doing a job that meant I travelled up and down that line from London a lot. Consequently I earned tons of the loyalty rewards including 3x completely paid for weekends in Edinburgh and several cases of wine and champagne. Obviously was quite sad when it all disappeared pretty much overnight!

@Clivestravelandtrains 16 күн бұрын

I used East Coast a lot during its lifetime, the service was always good and the weekend first class upgrades were good value - even if you "only" got sandwiches and coffee/fruit juice. The sandwiches were good in fact, and the fillings rotated so you didn't always get the same. It was re-privatised by the Conservatives in 2014 because they wanted to rush it back into private hands before the 2015 election, which they thought they might lose and Labour would keep it nationalised.

@DKS225 19 күн бұрын

I only travelled on East Coast once during my 2010 UK visit and that was to and from York for a couple of days out of my month long visit. Going to York i travelled on an HST working to Aberdeen and on the way back was a bit of a problem as on the day i travelled back to Kings Cross there was signalling issues at Darlington and going back to London was a bit of a headache as a result. The return run was on a IC225 set.

@andrewbutler7681 17 күн бұрын

I made enough journeys with East Coast to build up (more than) the points needed for a full journey all the way from London to Inverness and have very fond memories of the service.

@somax1259 17 күн бұрын

I remember when i was younger watching East coast 43s run through my local station, I love that livery for the nostalgia and its simplicity

@oliverstemp9132 17 күн бұрын

It was designed to easy to rebrand. So VTEC changed it completely with all over vinyl

@CC-Cobalt-1043 15 күн бұрын

Definitely a great company, I went on a few of their trains in 2011, great service and staff

@CoastToCoast_Trains 17 күн бұрын

East Coast is by far my favourite ECML operator. I have been riding on the ECML ever since 2009 and I have fond memories of East Coast. They were splendid with great service and comfort (in my experiences). Cant wait for the next instalment of this ECML Mini-series on VTEC (If there is one) Great video.!

@AlasdairMacCaluim 16 күн бұрын

I loved East Coast. The points scheme was great.

@jameswright7284 17 күн бұрын

Let's hope VTEC actually taught them a lesson having a nationalised route might actually do some good. Must say I never rode on East Coast but remember getting the ECML South route on Steam as part of TS2015 and really enjoyed it

@Mrmayhembsc 17 күн бұрын

The East Coast was better than the National Express East Coast. However, it still had issues with poor rolling stock ( lots of times I went to open a door only for it not to open and had to rush to another door) and was often late when I was using them ( there has also been an issue at Peterborough, where, technically, they are on time even though it will be late by the time it hits the platform). I will state that station improvements were nice, though they were done with national rail. I personally never understand the love for this brand. Was a failed one in my books. Do not use LNER much these days (moved down the ECML) but when I do that seems that final the franchise we need.

@Saint_Dan132 17 күн бұрын

15 my goodness , yes this one still hurts i love learning about English railways I'm Scottish you see x

@lolfunnyusername 17 күн бұрын

I noticed that at 9:40, you mentioned about 3G wifi on the 225 sets despite 4G was introduced back in 2009, twice.

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

Whoops! Apologies there 🫣

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

And I have just cut out the repeteating section so it should be cut out once processed. Thank you for brining it up!

@lolfunnyusername 16 күн бұрын

@@Vanmanyo No problem! It has been processed now and it sounds better!

@andrewgee5449 17 күн бұрын

As always a brilliant video

@trainlover16 15 күн бұрын

Definitely not a failed franchise in my opinion.

@olivergeorge4394 17 күн бұрын

Wake up, Vanmanyo uploaded!!!

@bobmoneyman 17 күн бұрын

I feel like the next failed franchise video Will be about virgin east coast

@Ovalo-Railways 17 күн бұрын

Finally im on Time to see this video

@misterpwood 17 күн бұрын

Used to use the ECML on the regular, and have to say, GNER was definitely the best. Not including BR of course.

@grapejuice116 17 күн бұрын

I wish i was old enough to have a job as i would like to support your channel, anyway, Great and interesting video!

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

Thank you! You're supporting me simply by watching and commenting so don't worry about anything else 😀

@dylanismail6455 17 күн бұрын

Hello hopefully a good vid like usual

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

I hope so too!

@dylanismail6455 17 күн бұрын

@@Vanmanyo it was fact better than good

@LennoxWAlexander 17 күн бұрын

Hey I think you should look into First ScotRail for your failed franchises series.

@just_some_guy_innit 16 күн бұрын

you must be thinking of abeilo scotrail mate, first scotrail was an amazing franchise in comparison to abeilo which was an utter failure since day 1

@paulroach2538 17 күн бұрын

GNER ' travelling with them was a sense of occasion ' they uesd to do the Scottish Pullman 'from Kings Cross 15.00 departure 'York 'Newcastle 'Edinburgh. 4hrs i think Monday- to Friday 'York 1hr 40 minutes

@AndrewG1989 16 күн бұрын

Was East Coast an open access rail operator run by the DfT after National Express lost the East Coast franchise and before Virgin Trains East Coast took over.

@Vanmanyo 16 күн бұрын

Nope! Open access operators are completely different. Hull trains, grand central and lumo are open access operators; East Coast was a normal train operator that was technically a franchise - just one ran by the DfT.

@oliverstemp9132 17 күн бұрын

They should have bought those Pendolino

@petitkruger2175 15 күн бұрын

every recent minister for transport sucks cause they seeming don't know anything about transport or don't have the balls to change anything

@tjwillow20 17 күн бұрын

2;10 thats my local station.

@AberdonaiBrum101 17 күн бұрын

I wanna watch the documentary nowwww! :D Yk where I can get it?

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

There's some episodes on KZfaq!

@AberdonaiBrum101 17 күн бұрын

@@Vanmanyo Cheers! :D

@paulwheeler4283 17 күн бұрын

Brilliant video highly informative one slight point can you repeated yourself twice around 9 minutes 40

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

Thank you! Yes I can cut that out later today 😆😆

@Vanmanyo 17 күн бұрын

And I have just cut out the repeteating section so it should be cut out once processed. Thank you for brining it up!

@EuroDC1990 17 күн бұрын

East Coast was fantastic and their first class was absolutely out of this world. I remember travelling from Edinburgh back to Doncaster with a friend in first class and having had two meals each, a 1.5 litre bottle of wine each (it wasn't busy so the staff just left the bottles on our table) and a few spirits each my friend pretty much fell off the train. LNER is decent but East Coast was much better.

@Class43 17 күн бұрын

as a 43 my i never liked or hated east coast the livery was extremely bland to so thats my opinion

@christopherli135 17 күн бұрын

Let's hope that LNER stays in operation.

@michaelhearn3052 17 күн бұрын

Not so. The East Coast route is now run by the government as Operator of Last Resort. OOLR.

@davidty2006 17 күн бұрын

@@michaelhearn3052 Which what was for East Coast... Though now theres 3 open access operators competing with LNER. Lumo going full express, grand central going to sunderland via the durham coast line, and hull trains to well hull.. If theres still room might as well cram a few more on.

@AlasdairMacCaluim 16 күн бұрын

I wonder how history will look back at the current east coast company LNER - I used to really like them but their recent changes to ticketing, making it more complex and expensive, and their cessation of services to Glasgow have put me off.

@andrewbowen4544 20 күн бұрын

East Coast is one of those franchises since GNER that no one wants.

@michaelhearn3052 17 күн бұрын

Probably because they cannot make it pay. I suspect IMHO, capacity issues as the electrification was not done to a BR standard. Also NR are currently working on correcting this. The ECML has over the years been in and out of Private and Public ownership.