They're good for making references to classic 80s cartoons as they are man and machine, power extreme.

Unlike most marine designs i actually did like these. They sorta look like Hulkbreaker armors given guns. Sadly like most things marine its only good fir the first 4-6 months it released then it gets nerfed to oblivion or replaced

The main thing holding Centurions back is that Primaris models exist, fill army gaps better and stole the "new hotness" from the Centurion faster than it would have normally lost it.

They desperately need a fifth wound with the amount of Damage 2 in 9th edition.

I run 5 into a cover with a Primaris Apothecary. With the Bolster Defense (imperial fist) stratagem. This puts them to a 0 up save with 6+ FNP and the ability to heal and revive one each turn. When you want to kill something big Bolter Drill for double exploding six's

Well they look cool. So there's that... Especially if you put in a little work and make them taller and narrower

They look like the marines are wearing an inflatable sumo wrestling suit for a teambuilding exercise at the mandatory weekend retreat....

What are they good for? Being adorable, that's what.

You're overlooking a LOT of White Scar synergies with them. Feinting Withdrawl allows either type to back out of combat and shoot without penalty, which can be really good on Assault Cents. Hunter's Fusilade turns all their weapons into Assault, which helps both address the slow speed and kick Centurion Devastator AP up a point on the second and possibly third turn. Fierce Rivalries also helps the movement issue for Assault Cents on longer charges. WS can also stack a -1 to-hit on them if they advance, along with Psychic powers to deny overwatch and both powers and relics to add +1 to advance and charge rolls (which can still stack for the moment.) Centurion Devastators are still 30 points overpriced per model though.

Ok, so my best theory crafted list with assault centurions is black templars with uphold the honor of the emperor, so they get a 5 up invuln give them all hurricane bolters along with champion of the feast (gives +1 attack wound and bs and ws) on the Sergeant with icon of heinman (ignore ap 1 and 2 on one model ) on one of your choosing. then you can stick the squad in a land raider crusader along with a chief apothecary who can res the ignores ap 1 and 2 guy every time he dies. since you're black templars you also get access to the ability to dismount from the land raider after it's moved which gives them quite a bit of maneuverability with a ten inch move. However this unit costs a total of like 700 points so it's relatively powerful albeit kind of ineffective for the points

“Absolutely nothing! Just say it again uhh!”

In an Imperial Fists army I really like to use them with Tor Garadon, because his signum can +1 to hit any Fists, not just core. Pretty nasty for those Lascannon + missile dev centurions.

Assault Centurions with Raven Guard successor chapter with bolter fusillades to reroll rapid fire hurricane bolters and putting them in deep strike has won me many games in 9th. They are better than aggressors in my opinion for they get the flamers and bolters instead of being forced to take one over the other and have a better melee that doesn't require a -1 to the hit roll and has one more AP and damage.

With Deathwatch, I've wanted to put some in a Corvus Blackstar and zoom them up the board, but then you're putting a lot of suboptimal points on the table. It'd be cool, but honestly, not better than other options.

Deathwatch can give the sergeant SiA with a relic which while not good is really funny worth the hurricane/heavy bolter loadout

I do quite like the chunky appearance of the assault centurions

You miss the part they have a 2+ save, making a 5++ only applicable against AP-4, which they won't get hit by all that much, meaning you can literally just leave Centurions on their own without ANY character support, and they'll be just fine

I've got some assault centurions in my BT list, I give the sarge Champion of the Feast and the Icon, with an apothecary for support they are ridiculously difficult to remove my opponent has to choose to focus on them or the three Redemptors I run.

I got 3 because i loved the models. Made them the devestator variant with twin lascannons. Very expensive unit but decent firepower as dark angels +1 to hit. And u can heal them up.

I have had success with assault centurions in Imperial Fists with a Judiciar as a unit to march at the front of a gun line. They contribute to the firing line with surprisingly effective bolter fire, and are impossible to charge with the Judiciar’s ability and a very potent flamer overwatch option as well. Slap Rites of Battle on the Judy, and you have a unit that is surprisingly hard to shift from a midfield objective once it gets there. Maybe not the most competitive, but neither are Fists in general and it’s a fun unit to use and devastating in some matchups.

I'd also say Ultramarines are decent for assault cents. Being able to fall back and unload into the enemy if they get tagged by chaff/non-intended target is fairly useful.

I've run 5 successfully in my DA mixed wing list. Another buff the DA add is they can fire all their weapons in cc in the overlooked greenwing tactical doctrine. With Azraels 4++ and the apothecary they supplement a Deathwing shield terminators brick well

I also want to add you could give the BT sergeant a master crafted weapon and a master crafted hurricane bolter sounds entertaining.

Dev Centurions with lascannons and missiles are still damn good tankbusters.

The fact I just so happen to be making a partially firstborn melee focused chapter that uses raven guard successor rules has me very interested in centurions now

On my cent Devs I've given them twin heavy bolters and hurricane bolters ,mainly to act as swarm killers against Tyranids and orks etc

I've heard that the Dev. Centurions with lascannons can be deployed in an Imperial Bastion to create a type of Deathstar unit. Anyone tried it?

I have 6 of them, 3 las cannon and 3 heavy bolter, one of my most favorite first born units in 8ed. I remember how I argued with everyone in our community that centurion can fire hellfire bolts stratagem from both bolters so it would result 2d3 mortal wounds.

They are adornable

With black templars taking the vow for a 5+ invulnerable save and taking a unit of 5 assault centurions in a land raider crusader could be a nice way of delivering them

I like the flamer better on assault centurions because the last thing they really want is to get tar pitted and the flamers can help with that both because they make people think twice about getting over watched by them and if they do charge it will hopefully cut down the tar pit some (a lot with a lucky roll)

Black Templars can also charge them out of a moving Land Raider Crusader, now. I will grant the LRC isn't awesome, but it's more durable now, too.

I really want to have 15 of them for my raven guard. Assault dudes with hurricane bolters to be precise. But I have a feeling that's not going to work after they redo RG supplement.

I like the idea of these on space wolves successors with outflank taking a big squad of these.

White scars have a nice combo for delivery. Outflank to get within 9" of a target. Then a jump librarian with plume of the plains runner can get close to them for +1" to charge. Librarian casts ride the wind for a further +2" for a total of +3" and then you can use fierce rivalries if you want to guarantee the charge for +3" charge roll 3 dice drop the lowest. Very reliable charging and I used them as a turn 3 deep strike and the librarian would buff them after he delivered the van vets turn 2. Rather small investment and a bit of flexibility as I could bring them out turn 2 instead if I wanted to keep the vanvets back longer.

I wonder if they would be a more interesting prospect if you could run them with a hybrid loadout. One siege drill and one ranged weapon.

I kind of feel like these guys need a re-evaluation, the Devs saw a significant price cut and now with Armor of Contempt a Centurion standing in cover is _very_ hard to shift. They're not the most points-efficient shooting unit in the book, but out of the pool of ranged units that can be sitting on a 0+ save...

I love cents. Dont own any atm but will do at some point. Ripe for some conversion! When the 8th ed chapter supplements get the 9th re-do it'll continue reduce synergy for them when the core word hits. Still i fancy doing a homebrew 'Templars' chapter. Dreaminh of Cents charging out of a LR crusader wihh 5++. Fun if nothing else.

There is a very cool combo with black templars Doctrine reroll charges and 5+ fnp mw Vow +5 invul save and transhuman 1-2 Relic bearer reduce dmg 1 Strat Sargent +1 wound, +1 to hit and +1 attack Just a very serious amount of fire power can kill the sergeant and you can recover him full intact and with all this buffs with an apothecary

I thought that Centurions were the awkward cousins of the space marine line. Since they got released before the Primaris relaunch of the wave, they don't strike a particular niche. Perhaps being exclusive to the Imperial Fists can give them a stronger role.

Ultramarines have a strategem to have 3 extra units overwatch with the unit actually being charged. This is an awesome strat. And is terrifying for your opponent if aggressors or centurions are nearby. Or both lmao.

Putting the assault versions in Black Templars allows you to pick them as one of the best targets for the flamer stratagem of the supplement. Turning their flamers in blast. You can also put them in a LR Crusader and use the LR stratagem to move the LR, disembark, shoot and still charge afterwards. You can even combo both stratagems. That is a some serious punch right there.

We have been playing with Assault Cents on the BT discord. 5 will deal more dmg in combat, have d3+3 advance and a strat to shoot aftr advancing. Paired with a 5++ and relic bearers that either reduce dmg by 1 or ingore ap 1 and 2 they could be ghastly...

Get AP -1 on those Hurricane bolters and Flamers and they would be awesome.

Deathwatch can also give a Devastator Sergeant Artificer bolt cache for 12 special issue ammo shots. Pretty dece.

Black Templars assault Centurions have served me very well during games vs Dark Angels so far.

Blood Angels give them the ability to re-roll charges thanks to Icon of the Angel. They can also get +1 to hit in combat with quake bolts.

Every ones favorite stocky Dreadknight. Their best feature is that you can stuff them into things Primaris can't... Like the expensive FW stuff. Or a simple Land Raider. ;D

I run Cent Devs in Raven Guard colours. They're armed with Lascannons and Missiles. They are expensive, but in an all infantry list, they bring all the big guns ;) I normally support them with a unit of Infiltrators which stops anyone deep striking within 12". A Chief apothecary keeps this 'Castle' very safe :), especially with the -1 to hit (over 18") and the Light cover when in terrain. The omniscope is very useful too The rest of the army does all of the 'board control' and 'in your face' stuff. Wrt Assault Cents though, I must admit that while RG can 'deploy' them more efficiently, I personally prefer Vanguard Vets... for the same deployment reasons. I don't win all my games, but, the look on my opposition's face when they see them is worth it :)... but then I also run 2 Storm talons and a Storm raven too (because for me the fluff is important) Some nice interesting options listed above for other chapters.

I have a feeling there will be a regiment of renown that will give them core, but it will be a heavy Skew list.

I run 2 squads of 4, each in a land raider redeemer. they get where they need to go and slap ultra hard. 4 melta guns, 4d6 flamers, and 48 boltgun shots, they don't even always have to charge to kill 400 points a turn. Also, 4 bodies is durable enough to survive most incoming attacks so that an apothecary can bring them back. especially while ignoring ap-1 and having access to +1 to their armor save for being salamanders.

Feels like a running problem of 9th is that too many units (especially marines) try to stack "high resistance" and "high damage" at the same time, which result in an insanely high price tag that means that the damage and resistance of the unit is subpart per point compared to other "lower tier" units. It's basically what makes the marine vehicles useless.

You're awesome mister Auspex

Was this done before the Templar supplement release? With the "Uphold the Honour" Vow, they get a 5+ invulnerable save, and unmodified wound rolls of 1-2 against them fail. You can then place them in a Land Raider Crusader that gets the same treatment. If anyone has already stated this, please ignore all this! =)

Hey Auspex! You are selling my Space Wolves (and successors) short. With born heros and whirlwind of rage, we get +1 to hit and exploding 6s. (And a 1 cp consolidate, 1cp heroic int) You can take 5 centurions, put them into the Stormwolf! (A t7 flying 16 man transport) I take meltas and hurricane bolters on ass cents! Then you paratrooper them up to a point, escorted by a cheap ordo malleus inquisitor. He can cast a spell to give them a much needed invulnerable save. If you have a Librarian nearby he can cast the SW power for fight last on nearby models, light cover and 2 cp for -1 to hit after passing a psyker test. Then you charge them in and they explode on 6s to hit in assault doc (or double explodes in successor) This is a lot of investment, but a surefire way to score oaths and lose friends! Combine them and thunderwolves with heavy intercessor troops and you don't have a model besides the inquisitor under 5 toughness! The heavies sit on the backfield and the TWC with mostly shields and chainswords just sit on points to be annoying or advance and charge. The hit like a truck with st 10 and 3xploding 6s, and the plane helps you land them right where they need to be. I have lost 1 or 2 centurions out of the plane to shooting and it still becomes a nice blob of armor and wounds on the battlefield. I love your videos and appreciate trying to get use out of these coold old models! (I think I always coveted them haha until 9th!) Or forgo the plane, as a Space wolves a 1 cp outflank strat is very strong on high priced infantry units. Space wolves only just got centurions this edition, so this is the best strat that uses old models and still feels like how the Space Wolves would use centurions.

How cool would it be if you could take 1 centurion in a Death Watch kill team. That might make the see some more play.

They look amazing

I like them, but they never do well for me XD Not having core really holds them back, even for ravenguard as they can't use the +2 to charge from a chaplain or even advance + charge aura. For Ironhands I was tempted to park a librarian with them for the +1 to save and the 5+ fnp strat, but they are very slow so not sure. I had a lot of success from the Gladiator Reaper, he usually needs that librarian for buffs

I'm tempted to make these things work with & Against Armor of Contempt.

Actually, you could give them a reroll of 1s to hit. But it's quite difficult, as you'd need an Inquisitor, play against an army of their quarry rule AND pay 1 CP for their stratagem which affects all Imperium Infantry or Biker. Still, I wanted to point out the possibility of rerolls.

Dark Angels' brilliant strategist is, I think, potentially good on DevCents?

They just look so cool

Space Wolves have an Outflank Strat for 1CP, too.

They''re good for converting into Obliterators.

I think 3 assaults in a space wolf successor army would be fun. Give them WWofR and BH. 1 cp put them on the hunt, put them in the assault doctrine or another srat, I think it's called go for the throat. Would tear up a lot of units...

What use do they have besides looking cool, none until new rules make them good or the equivalent version for primaries comes out for half the price and double the guns

They are very hit or miss but I still enjoy running them They definitely need some form of a deep strike rule to make them actually good but I still enjoy them anyways and they make an excellent deterrent on the field they will die but they also take the attention away from other threats

They are very good for alternative obliterators

They are pretty good in grimdark future. They are quite durable, and are decent anti tank.

"Absolutely nothing, say it again!"

Space Wolves can make centurions outflank for 1 CP. Sure, not as good as RG, but you force your opponet towards the middle, which makes it easier to charge them and tie them up...

I like to watch princess bride and neverending story when it comes to learning this game

I was literally thinking about my centurions... You are scary man...

Put em in a crusader with an apothecary and champion of the feast with master crafted weapon. Uphold as the vow.

imo, they are good in space wolves coz of the stratagem cunning of the wolf

5 Flame Centurions inside a land raider crusader take the vow for 5+ invuln and baby transhuman. make sgt champion of feast and give the squad the relic to pick target at start of battle round for full rerolls. you will have 1 more spot in your land raider crusader. bring a first born medic. this unit wont have obsec, but they can charge into your enemy causing quite the distraction. :)

Can you use these with Space Wolves?

What size is the base? Thinking of using them to kit bash some grey knights

I think BT run the best centurions right now. Consider this. 5 of them with an apothecary. Take uphold the honor for your vow and top it off with the Icon of Heinman or Crux Terminatus. Now you have cents with a 5++, 6+ FNP, can't be wounded on better than 3+ and then either ignores AP -1 and -2 or -1 Damage depending on your preference. As for delivery? Walk them. BT can reroll advance rolls so advance them and then if you are in range of your guns use Emperor's Will to let them fire everything at no penalty to hit.

War!! What us it good for. Idk the title put that song in my head

Did meltaguns not go to assult 2 ? - Is it an old list or only still 1 for them.

I just got 3 and learning about the lore now for the first time after 20 years of looking at the artwork. I feel like when I roll the dice it's a princess bride crash cut to bullets and lore. the real existing players of this game deserve to be a part of such an IMAX omnimax thx experience. that being said. Theres no video screen that can replace the joy of assembling and playing the game. I think I quote arnold Schwarzenegger and warcraft 1 too often in the game. But that's part of the fun. Warhammer 40k Hollywood California. Peace on earth. God bless america and our British friends who made this game....a long long time ago...

You can Shock and Awe a 5 man squad in Black Templars. Move the Land Raider 10" disembark and charge

Tor Garadon gives a +1 for shooting.

If they just had core and like one extra wound they'd probably be considered a little bit more

They're good for TTS references. Paint it in Imperial Fists colors, call them "Centuribear" and try to imitate SuperAnchors' voice

They need the light heavy stubber....

I like to run 5 man units with a chief apothecary in a land raider crusader in my firstborn Crimson Fist lists

With the new black templar vow giving a 5++, they are far more playable now as that was their only real weakness, now solved. I'm looking at them for a Templar list.

Everyone knows the Edwin Star song: "HUH, Centurions, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing. Yeeeaaaah"

Making GW money

War! What is it good for?

The shooty ones cost way too many points for the data sheet. 2 of them cost more than a redemptor dreadnought. They also lost bolter discipline so they have to get to a foot for full firepower and they'll just get shot off the board

The sergeant looks an awful lot like the champion of the feast to me.

Edwin Starr enters the chat... ~# "Centurions, huh, alright - what are they good for, absolutely nothing" #~

Dev Cents suck PTS wise, I can get a FRIGGIN regular Land Raider & something else for their value baseline, if they made Dev cents cost the same per model as the others (so 55pts per model before wargear) that might help but... that would only semi-solve 1 problem with one type so while I doubt they will ever get CORE at lest give them back Bolter Disciple (&/or something else, maybe reduce the AP of weapons used on them by 1).

Where is the new speedfreaks review

They are kinda bad for blood angels honestly they look cool but they do not move fast enough to be useful

For decor ?

I don't quite get the thematic idea behind them. Like, you already _have_ Terminators. Why not use that? Was it just to sell more models? I don't want to be that cynical though because there was definitely something different about them, but they just don't feel like they fit. And failing that, they could just make tanks useful again...