"This one is going to attempt to recount the temporal wars" hold up, gonna need to get liquored up for this one.

“Let me try to explain the temporal Cold War... ahem...” *screams directly at the audience until they turn away in unease*

Mmmm... Tempura War.

Chief O'Brien and his future self: "I hate temporal mechanics." 😜💨

It’s funny how you know when a giant battle is coming in sto, is everyone meeting up, and asking you to talk to everyone to get their two cents? Yeah somethings gonna go wrong

From a time of war, to a war of time; Flowing like the river Rhine. More awaits on Star Trek Online; Oh hey, and this rhymes .

"This all starts with the signing of the temporal accords, in 2769" Me, internally: Don't... Me: "Nice."

Wibbly-Wobbly Timey-Wimey.... Stuff. Also, TIMELINE CHANGE IMMINENT!!

I always find it funny whenever time travel stories try to create a sense of urgency. "Oh no! The baddies just went back in time. We must hurry to the time machine and stop them before they change something!" Like, they already did. Years ago. That's kind of the whole point of time travel...

I'll take Janeway's advice for dealing with temporal paradoxes, "Just ignore them"

They always called it the 'Temporal Cold War' in the show but it seemed very hot to me when they were trying to erase the federation from existence

I just ran through the Lukari story arc to stay ahead of you with my main (I just don't want plot spoilers). My captain Shepard has a thing going on with Kumaarke. A sexy thing.

11:03 From what I understand, the Sphere Builders in STO became extradimensional as a result of done desperate measure to fight off the Borg. Can't remember if that's what happened, though. 12:18 It should be noted Krog's assassination attempt caused powers like the Klingon Empire to become hostile to the present day Na'khul, effectively fulfilling a time loop.

So, the Tox Uthat was made to fix a problem caused by the Tholians so they could lure the Tox Uthat out.... I suppose as Paradoxes go its not awful, Kal Dono probably made it once, the Tholians saw it, wanted it, made a trap to lure him out which caused a sliiiightly new timeline where he made it for a different purpose. On the other hand, pretty sure the Xindi attack on earth was canon in STO BEFORE we meet Kal Dono and his wife. But the Xindi attack is from the timeline that the Sphere Builders were erased from. Any timeline in which they exist can not be one that the Builders are manipulating, since they have to be erased first, except I suppose since they are able to affect multiple timelines it could be possible they also caused the Xindi attack in the timeline they still exist in but if they can access that timeline why not just warn their people NOT to delete themselves because it wasn't even the federations fault it was the fault of the sphere builder, also why is Noye so determined to destroy the federation for the destruction of his wife who he can not have any feelings for or memory of because she literally never existed, and why does he blame them when it was he and his wife who chose to sacrifice her people to save his and ohmygodmyhead! I hate time travel....

This must have hurt your head trying to put this together in some sort of order

And this isn't even accounting for the whole thing where a malevolent AI tried to take over everything and Discovery (which everyone forgot existed) traveled thru time to stop it... or the entire Kelvin timeline... or that one time Kirk went back to the 70's to get some whales... You know what, I'm kinda fine with the Temporal Accords, good call.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one baffled by all the timey-wimeyness of this saga. Thanks for helping talk me through it!

The Temporal War is the Star Trek version of "A Wizard Did It" and I love it

The way STO presents its main and side missions doesn't makes it easier imo to wrap ones head around how to unravel this timelines and lapses... Here take some ibutemperalprohen against tgat horrible temperal headaches

What makes Star Trek weird in terms of time travel is the fact that there are shields that can make certain objects immune to timeline changes, but in general timetravel does not work with multiverse theory logic.

I hope the people that are in charge of the logistics of an allied time fleet have proper compensation for such a massive headache of a task.

Time Travel! Easy to understand, Easy to comprehend, Easy to get, Easy to know, Easy to easy.

Time travel is always a headache, whether you're in the midst of it, or using it in your writing. In my opinion you either do it well, or not at all so you can avoid making a mess of everything. There are also multiple versions of time travel, although they can broadly be grouped under either single-timeline or multiverse theory time travel. In single-timeline time travel, alterations have an immediate affect on the timeline. In multiverse theory, however, the original timeline remains intact as it was, and alterations create their own universes with their timelines going forward. A byproduct of the single-timeline method is that it is self-correcting, such that no matter what changes a person tries to make, it will always seek to fulfill its own history. Meanwhile, multiverse theory can create as many alternate timelines as it needs to, however an individual timeline may not continue as distinct for very long: If it does not collapse back into a stronger, more original timeline upon re-intersecting with it, it could end in that timeline's destruction. _Star Trek_ has always used multiverse theory, with alternate timelines expressing different 'what if scenarios,' like the Mirror Universe or 'All Good Things.' Better yet, the _TNG_ episode 'Parallels' lets Riker look at multiple alternate versions of the _Enterprise_ , including one where the Borg overwhelmed the Alpha and Beta Quadrant powers. And this is after we've seen Worf travel through multiple different timelines, where different choices held different results, ranging from him placing differently in his Bat'leth tournament to Riker being in command of the _Enterprise_ , assumingly after Picard's death.

Using some Steins;Gate terminology, we can suppose that the Battle of Procyon V is a major point if convergence. For the attractor field (aka world line trunk) that Star Trek takes place in, that battle is a fundamental occurrence. Considering the apparent importance of the Sphere Builders to said battle it may be the case that the Tuterians are forever doomed to that existence. Though again perhaps not, as the important part is that the Sphere Builders exist, not that the Tuterians become them.

@9:58 - I'm kind of disappointed that you didn't say, "Checkov's wessel." lol. Otherwise, great video. I love confusing timeline stuff!!!

This entire video plus STO in general needs to be an entire novel series

This should be it's own live action show.

As someone who just started reading the Last Great Time War fanfic, this was a fascinating video! I only wish more stories were so ambitious in their temporal warfare storytelling!

Much like time travel: if you watch this backwards, it will make almost as much sense.

I love this series and the game. After playing it, the story can be a bit confusing at times. Hearing someone else who Nows alot more about trek then me talk about it makes things more clear.

Imo, the best time-related story in Trek is two-episode Voyager arc "Year of Hell". That was intense.

@5:04 "The line must be drawn HERE. And no further!" 😁

God i love this man... i would not be as interested in this games story if it wasn't for him.

You did an amazing job there. It ended the only way it could. I conjecture that in a universe where time travel is possible, the most likely timeline to persist is the one with temporal accords, or one where all intelligent life dies (BTW, is this the answer to the Fermi paradox?). All others are bound to be changed, since people are obviously gonna keep changing it. By the way, paradoxes are by definition impossible, you have to understand this in-universe as a closed loop, where all seeming paradoxes are actually from timelines that did happen, but at a different time. Think about black holes, for example. Inside the event horizon, there's no time in our spacetime to which events which happen there can be assigned. It's a time out of time. Timelines that are erased are similar to this.

I have wished, wish, will wish, you a happy old/present/new selection of probabilities regarding the status of this or any other of the many worlds theory states of the Uni/multi verse.

Although most of Daniels' "appearances" have been in holographic form only, he has still physically moved through time on many occasions. Canon has shown this to be very harmful to the psyche. Why hasn't he gone insane yet ? ....or has he ?

To quote Capt. Janeway: Timetravel, as my first day as captian. i swear i would never get into them, the tomorrow is yesterday and wise-versa, i get a headache from it xD

I'm pretty sure that in the 3200's there was still time travel going on (If for no other reason than we get access to those ships in STO), it's just that the Dilithium Crisis put a pause on things for a while, then it started up all over again. Probably with several attempting to stop the Burn in the first place

Excellent summary, and like that you connected up the pieces with the series. I've always troubled to keep track of the dates and wanted to make a timeline myself. Only criticism, and its a minor one, is that you skipped over the attack on the Tholian nursery(?) fleet by the Na'kuhl that encouraged the Tholians to try and pre-emptively wipe out the Nakuhl

I like that we see the same sto Captain every time on these videos,that gives them a real vibe

I'm willing to postulate that's why Dualga is suffering from a temporal cold. The poor pocket monster hasn't been feeling well ever since.

Its times like this where I wish there was media that had a time traveler who says "aloha" as a way to just side step timey wimey BS.

Best way to finish off 2020. Damn, that "time line" is a mess. Why am i even surprised?

The "Temporal Cold War/War" was mentioned during "Star Trek: Voyager," and, later, "Star Trek: Enterprise." Since it was Top Secret, nothing aside from a "resetting of the time line" was "revealed."

"I hate Temporal Mechanics..." - Chief O'Brien and a possible version of the STO player character. "Let's just get this over with before my headache gets any worse..." Katherine Janeway I'd say you're in good company there. Even I have a headache when it comes to this stuff, and my sanity gets tested every time. Phantasy Star Online 2 does time travel hijinks, and it's also confusing. Not to STO Temporal Cold War levels, but confusing enough. I seem to have a knack for getting into things where time travel is in play...

Time travel is such a headache.

What does the Federation's time keepers think of the Crinum Temporal Time guys 🤔🤔🤔🤔

I've been waiting for this.

I hate time travel it's rough eructating and it gets everywhere .

Congrats on 100k subscribers!

Oh ... oh no. I knew it was spaghetti but ... I didn't know it was this much spaghetti... I wanted to include the Temporal War into my Star Trek Adventures games but ... good lord! I'll need to watch this at least three times to keep track of everything!

My first time watching this... COOL!

100k Subscribers. And Great video.

15:31 this Chart hurts My Brain.

Star trek writers are telling us that at no point after the year 3000-something noone ever egain used the time travel tech. It seems quite... impossible. The only explanation to this would be that either everyone in the future is absolutely, completely comfortable with how the things went in their respectable past, or everyone is... dead. Is the future Borg? Maybe some Omega event wiped out all the life in the galaxy? Maybe the Q went crazy? Where are the time travelers from the year 5000?

Nicely bone and thanks

*continues hoping for a tv show following Temporal Agents*

That timeline is really crazy XD

Yankee chiming in to compliment your regional American accent there at the end!

Thanks a Lot for this video

Man, O'Brian was onto something.

Really video. The content on this channel is getting better and better.

My head! My head! My head is imploding!

“Temporal mechanics gives me a headache, and I don’t need another one right now.” -seven of nine, aboard voyager, I think

THE ENERGY FROM ALOT WEAPONS DISCHARGES IN SPACE CREATES THIS NEW TOS REALITY.

Great job, thanks. I get so confused, the chicken or the egg.

when gods fight ants get stepped on cool vid

Time is a weird soup - Ashley Johnson

Am I weird for the fact that I'm able to decently comprehend and rationalize the entire Temporal War Story Arc? (And for that matter a great many other time travel story arcs across Sci-Fi?)

This was cool

Kal Dano's ship's interior being larger on the inside... Kal Dano is a time lord...change my mind! XD

Goodbye hello. I know I will hear your comments in the future but I haven't done so yet. You have done a great job, as I'm sure you will.

Merry New Year

This entire quest line gave me a headache. I was glad when it was over.

Galactic Union we should meet.

Oh no, I've gone cross eyed.

lol ...mah brain hurtz. I was gunna say, that must have been quite the headache to unravel. You must like untangling fishing line

Well, it's about time

Do you want something even more confusing? Just put a pair of glasses on Porthos, and I'd swear he looks exactly like a Temporal Agent from "Way Back."

I'm surpirsied that the shpere builders didn't try to invade the mirror universe, the mycelial realm or even fluidic space off course with time travel I'm sure it will have already occured at some point

It probably would not have halted the events leading up to the final temporal - unintended - incursion by the USS Discovery NCC 1031. Because the tail end of the events of Season 2 of the series finished off that potential problem as result of it's leap into the 32nd Century from 2259. To prevent Control from modifying into a threat that if it - and the sphere intelligence embedded in the mainframe of the ship's computer cores. Furthermore, subsequent other events like Picard's jump back from an alternative 25th century to the early 21st century to restore events back into temporal parity. In season 2 of Picard. Was another instance, like the jumpback from a Borg altered timeline to 2063 to restore Earth back - was equally tolerated for the same reason. But patches these were. I've been keenly watching Picard and Discovery series with interest. And there being an echo of these in Strange New Worlds has also been no surprise to me. There's a infinate wisdom in ending curiousity. Both the events in Season 1 of SNW and it's second season seem to back it up. Time travel has it's own considered risks and consequences. Pike certainly found that out. No wonder the Omega Directive came about too. The one instance that could supplant the Prime Directive.

Soooo what's next in Star Trek Online?

havard university here. anyone who understood and is able to recap and explain the temporal wars is granted a stipendium

This just made me even more confused then before, but at least you tried...

Time travel in Star Trek is ludicrously complicated. You'd need an elaborate flow chart to keep track of everything. Certifiably Ingame: You're welcome.

Tempura i love get that with bento meal and California rolls

Was there not an interaction between the (spaceship) Voyager and a traveler from the futur in the 1990's ? This supposedly saved the futur from billions of deaths.

You should do the battle of Procyon V but with a T2 Temporal Science Vessel with your main character as well

😭My head hurts... I'm going to bed now...

If the universe happens to be a multiverse then every possibility is realized. This would mean civilizations with the ability to travel the multiverse only needs to chose a universe with their preferred history. Then there would be no need to change or police time lines.

The Time War from Doctor Who was also a temporal war

I hate temporal mechanics

Now I have a temporal headache from this time travel discussion. Anyone have any quantum aspirin?

...the "Temporal Cold War" should have been left in the "Enterprise era". Hell, This storyline alone is why Time Travel plots are best left as "one-offs"! It raises too many questions. "I hate temporal mechanics." - Everyone including O'Brien

The Na'kuhl of the future getting so angry over their home star and rebelling on the spot is like you and I suddenly becoming irrationally furious over Rome's conquest of Britain circa 84 A.D and throwing our lives away over it. They act like it's some kind of fresh wound. I didn't really care for the Future Proof arc. I don't really care for *most* story arcs in STO, but starship combat in that game is pretty fun.

How people living inside one timeline can tell what's wrong with it? Impossible.

So what happen the Tuterians (also widely known as Sphere Builders) now???? Can we restore them normally ??????????

temporal explanation well this gonna be a pandora box

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The whole war is just a big ball of Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey stuff.