oh boy... 😅

Honestly…maybe that’s why he was cast in the role…

What is it now sam?!?!?!?

You might be saying he's making a quantum... leap? Oh, my

That makes sense. :)

This came to mind as well. Who is to say the Temporal War wasn't an inside job? And they needed someone to "guide" the bad guys into a losing side.

This is Star Trek not pro wrestling 😂 but you make a great point.

Actually it would be the first time. lol sorry too easy

To set right what once went wrong…

Agree. We don't have to know the details of everything and the mystery surrounding the temporal wars feels right.

@@Yibambe. I disagree, i wanna experience it

Keeping it mysterious makes it more interesting. Two of my favorite Star Trek characters are Guinan and Garak, primarily because they remain so mysterious.

I believe that it is important to explore and explain everything, even if the explanation doesn't meet expectations.

With references like that you could get investigated by Star Fleet NCIS.

​@darthwiizius that sounds like an interesting show idea

@@GuardianSage Should be popular with the, let's say "more mature" members of the Trek fanbase.

@@darthwiizius They would come on a New Orleans class ship!

@@markbernero9302 Yes, they could.

Still not seeing it.

And that is why he is the most important man in Starfleet history.

Would be interesting to see Star Trek Online's battles against Noye as a legitimate and canon event. Even if it's a cameo the ISS Enterprise F would also be fun to see. but as a separate reality.

It might happen in Prodigy.

Ha, he did, lol.

lets just hope they use the really good stories from STO.

i mean, the odyssey was canonized as the real enterprise F. so i'd say it's a pretty good shot IMO.

Okay, i try to answer your question as best I can. The Universe Class Enterprise-J we saw in ST:ENT was as you noted a product of an alternate timeline. In that timeline the transformed space of the Sphere Builders had consumed half the Milky Way. Countless planets would have been rendered uninhabitable. The sheer size of the Enterprise-J was probably because in addition to its role as a Federation starship it was also serving as something of an Ark. in the Prime timeline, that transformed space doesn’t exist and thus the need for people to relocate to starships doesn’t exist either. I’m sure by the 26th century there is a Federation starship called the Enterprise with the registry of “NCC-1701-J”. It however would look nothing like the Universe Class monstrosity we have seen.

@@DLordSadow Or is still there but not for the purpose the original was built for, and is probably named Voyager I in Prime. We saw that with the delayed cascade ability that Voyager invented while in the Delta Quadrant. Anyway, we have a new enemy at Procyon V in the Krenim, and they are core to that history. The Sphere Builders may not be a key part of those events going forwards as a result, but still have to happen. The Annorax vs Voyager hints at that history, and also could show a possibility that both ships will fight again in an eternal fight. That fight should happen at Procyon V in the time fight that happens there. We need to see that fight when we get there, if only to see what changed from Archer's time. These episodes in the past in these shows are showing the differences are seeding all the players that will have stakes in that conflict, and all cycle to Procyon V in a pitched battle. It is serving as a large scale failsafe fixed point event for any discrepancies in the timelines of the galaxy, like how the Vulcan first contact event ends all those changes affecting Earth's past.

My spin on "Seán doing his own timey wimey wibbly wobbly thing" is that he does not say that he will do it later in this episode (or i missed him mentioning it) but could refer to later episodes where he will talk about what he missed talking about in this episode.

Just say the J was taken from an earlier point in the timeline; it's a time war, afterall. 😛

I came here to say this

In STO it's a more multilateral effort. From 25th century onward due to the Iconian time travel event and time travel as a weapon regulation is required. But I don't see the time travel ban being possible. Especially with accidental travel is still a thing. Oh and events in STO's mirror Borg storyline alters a good part of the Nakhul faction to be a small faction in the temporal war.

What's the Weapon X project?

@@jgraygaming225 Weapon X is a fictional government genetic research facility project appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics. They were conducted by Department K, which turned willing and unwilling beings into living weapons to carry out covert missions like assassination or eliminating potential threats to the government. It was similar to human enhancement experiments in the real world, but it captured mutants and did experiments on them to enhance their abilities such as superpowers, turning them into human weapons. They also mutated baseline humans. The Weapon X Project produced Wolverine, Leech, Deadpool, Sabretooth, and Weapon H.

@Eirewolf I've heard about the project but how could that tie in with Star Trek? Realistically, they're events in different universes, created and owned by different media companies.

So what you're saying is that Paramount's going to be acquired by Disney?

@@jgraygaming225 The name Soong says it all. It is all about creating new life. The Soong that started from creating Kahn, had a later descendant that then went on to create Lore and Data. The Temporal Wars are the conflicts on connections like this, but on a far greater scale. Annorax is a key name in all those fights. Both the scientist and the time ship that is named after him.

My personal headcanon is that after/during the temporal wars, the Klingons became the ones to enforce the accords. This would play into the unusually strong relationship Klingon culture has with time (Borath for example) and explain why we haven't seen them in the post-burn time period.

@@jpritchett42 sounds good

I find the ban on time travel strange based on the fact that Star Trek crews accidentally time travel all the time, plus it's as easy as slingshotting around the Sun. There are clearly many factions in the 32nd Century (e.g. Emerald Chain) so why would they abide by a weak Starfleet's time travel ban? And there must be numerous uncontacted civilisations unaware of the ban so who is stopping them from temporal shenanigans? As suggested, some horrific damage to the very fabric of spacetime might be enough to dissuade time travel, but otherwise once time travel tech is invented it can't simply be uninvented and ignored. (I try to not think about this plot element though as I do love Discovery and am glad the show found its feet in the 32nd Century setting)

@CosmicCorviknight the implication is its not just a starfleet ban but all the major powers agreed to it in order to avoid the major issues from the temporal war

I believe Spock has died nearly as many times as Kirk has. Also it really depends on what you consider “died” Spock Yesteryear: TAS Wrath of Khan Star Trek Beyond Kirk Generations - either one or two times Star Trek into Darkness Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow-SNW Am I missing any?

@@GeekFilterNet Well there was the time Jim got trapped in a transporter thingy and had to haunt the ship to get himself reconstructed. Does that count?

@@darthwiizius I think there’s a lot of those type of instances for pretty much every crewmember. I believe in TOS every crewmember “died” except for Spock although I guess you could consider Spock’s brain kind of dead!

@@GeekFilterNet Does the transporter accident that divided Jim in to 2 Jims also count?

😂😂

I wouldn’t say Dax qualifies as trans.

Cringe

@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain It does if you're an absolute clown trying to make anything you see into a trans person

And apparently had his speech patterns altered, I'm guessing like in Demolition Man style.

I mean to be fair on that, the actual Prime timeline Khan also whitened a lot between series and film.

He could’ve also been given a TON of plastic surgery too.

As the above video explains the Temporal Time Wars has shifted events. So the boy who is named Khan is born later. And as for the Project Khan folder being dated 1996 it just means that any male child being a product of Operation Khan would be given that name.

Kovich says explicitly that the Terran Empire is gone and makes no reference to them having to fall a second time or anything like that. I think they’re off the table. The Alliance, mirror Dominion, mirror Borg, or mirror Romulans would be the big threats I would look at, especially since the last three are entirely unknown. Personally, I like the Terran Empire being dead and gone. I think it was a good shakeup for DS9 to make and going back to it imo can only stifle story potential and render the mirror universe fairly one-note. I also prefer to be optimistic and think that Smiley and the gang managed to make something better

I prefer their Envoy being a Krenim named Noye.

Eugenics Wars came before the Clone Wars

Maybe the Doctor Who Time War was more vast than we think/thought/will think...

@@joerider3769 A fair point. Still doesn't hold a candle to the one from the books, though. The Faction Paradox actually did cross over dimensions in that one.

Ok, they indicate that Archer was the shadow guy.

No Tuterians not Krenim. Though the Krenim were involved thanks to Noye who had a Tuterian wife in one timeline where they are in normal space. Noye redid year of hell in all of reality.

We do know in a few key areas where Mirror differs from Prime. In Mirror, it is the Axis Powers that won WW2. Which is why they are so violent. But, the far bigger difference, is the Terran Empire fell long before DS9's episodes in Mirror. That is where things changed, since the Empire acted as a Mirror to the Federation.

@@shauntempley9757 Correct, but how much further back does it go than that? What was the original deviation point that caused the split? Was it the Nazis winning World War II? Did the Roman Empire never fall? Genghis Khan was never defeated? Christianity was snuffed out by the Romans before it could take hold? I feel like this is something that should be explored.

@@shattered_helix I agree with you. WW2 going that way does hint at all those historical moments you listed do not happen in Mirror. Or, they do, but too the worst versions.

It was just as weird in context, to be fair.