It turns me off when a seller doesn't list price. List the prices sellers..... And don't say if one has to ask can't afford it. "A fool with their money, soon depart".

Soon as i win the big lottery, i will let you know.

I wish Van Bortels actually understood that. I'm actively looking for a FEW different aircraft, but every one of their ads is "please call". That is immediately a warning sign. I've got money burning a hole in my pocket but if you aren't going to list a price in the ads, my money goes elsewhere.

That is Van Bortel's MO. They never publish prices unless it is an older used or non Cessna model. They either want you to connect with a sales person so they can establish a relationship with you (called 'forcing sales through contact'), do not want their competition to know their prices, or remove the 'customer disqualifier' psychology element whereby a potential customer can't just shop price. Those really interested will call. Those that are not (tire kickers) won't.

Craig Libby unfortunately as someone who’s entire world is retail pricing and customer acquisition, this is counter intuitive and is costing them way more sales then it’s making them. Long gone are the customer relations components of sales people. In the modern world, people need instant gratification when it comes to pricing. Could you imagine car dealerships with no advertised pricing? This is an failure of epic proportions. It doesn’t create tire kickers, it invites them.

@Sal Vastola A thousand lol

My thought exactly. Houston to South Florida for me.

Next time ya go to south Fl can I come with ya???

I too am a Cessna Guy. Do you think Cessna should replace the 172 Skyhawk with the 177 Cardinal, to include properly rated HP, Jet A power-plant/T-handle throttle, push button start and optional BRS? Just makes sense as far as I'm concerned...for what its worth.

how does the 400 ride compared to the 182? Is it a lot smoother and easier to fly?

@@raybowles8587 ride is much better. it's easy to fly. the engine management is more complicated being a turbo. it's very fast and flies really high which i love to do. loved the skylane too, great airplane.

EXACTLY!! One wonders why they need to HIDE the price. It enrages me to no end when they try to play this game!! Even if the price is "negotiable" they can put a price, and then say "$_____ or best offer" Just like you, I *_NEVER_* respond to these "call for price" ads, and I also encourage everyone I know to do the same!

It always drove me crazy too. The sellers do it to make money. For example if the owner says that he wants this plane sold for $350,000 the seller is going to try to sell it for $370,000. It is just for them trying to make more money

I do the same with job advertisements where the wage is "competitive". Imagine if on my resume for qualifications and experience I simply put "competitive". Anyhoo, the price of an aircraft is easily resolved with google. This dreadful aircraft is an eye-watering $750,000. I'd be getting a DA42-VI for that kind of money and staggeringly the twin with retractable gear is just as fast and MORE fuel efficient. Anything with a Continental engine needs a swerve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_400

@@sparta3d229 offer 10%-15% less.

yes must be only 30K ¤ plane this capacity and stufs, and range.

This plane isn’t Made for hauling, it’s for traveling

Get a cirrus

This plane isn’t designed for making large hauls. It is designed to get you distance very fast. The plane is worth the money.

Compared to the new DA50RG (1.3 Mio. USD) it’s a bargain!

Not a Lancair IV. Not even close. The original idea was to take the ES to certification but even that needed a complete rework.

Sorry you are so rich.

John Collins you’re watching these videos because you like these things. You’re a little upset that you can’t afford them, and maybe wish you could, but since you can’t you just spit venom at people who can? Despising others for having something you yourself want to have. I’m guessing if you had more financial means you would just give it all away so you weren’t “the evil rich guy”. Few things are more pathetically hypocritical than envy. Don’t be that guy. My brother-in-law owns an Eclipse 500 and a Citation. Do I make him out to be an asshole because he can afford something I can’t? No. Because that would make me the asshole.

I do like your videos! I love flying. Only 38 hours into it though. You are a classy guy and I appreciate that. Sorry about my comment. After a few beers, I shamed myself.

John Collins it happens. So you’re learning to fly, that’s awesome! Keep plugging away. Every hour counts! You should be getting close to that check ride! Unless you’ve already checked that box, then congrats!!! If you have any questions I have tons of resources and recommendations that got me through! I kept at at and got my private in airplanes, and instrument and commercial in helicopters. And I’ve flown a fair diversity of aircraft. My mission has changed so I’m no longer in the market for a Cirrus or TTX. Getting a light sport weight shift trike instead in a few months. Light sport is a much more affordable avenue as far as training and day to day costs go, but the aircraft can be pricey compared to some of the perfectly good but aging Cessnas and pipers out there. However, there may be a light at the end of the tunnel... there is currently a proposal being considered by the FAA to expand the light sport category to include aircraft up to 3600 lbs, so you would be able to exercise sport pilot privileges in smaller GA aircraft. That would be a big advantage to aviation giving access to less expensive aircraft to sport pilots! And nice Camaro by the way!

how much did they cost when they were called Columbia?

That thing looks like a Lexus in the sky! Congrats

MojoGrip Love your videos with your Sling. I own a 2008 Columbia 400 purchased from Van Bortel and at KPIA if you want a flight.

Sure plenty of single engine planes have speedbrakes: F-16, F-86, T-6 Texan ii, etc haha

Mooney…

There are a handful. Where are you? I have some good friends that own a maintenance shop specifically for this type about an hour north of Frankfurt. Feel free to email me if you want more info. I'm sure I could arrange a flight dtaylor@vanbortel.com

Not really! I know people who can afford to buy a FLEET of these *_cash._* One of them is my own cousin. He would never call one of these "call for price" places. People like him are very busy, and their time is very valuable. He is not going to waste an hour calling and chatting with someone, if he does not think the price is "in the ball park" of what he considers REASONABLE! And just FYI, people did not get wealthy by just _"paying anything a person asks for"_ (rollseyes). Just because someone has a ton of money does not mean they are willing to just THROW SOME OF IT OUT THE WINDOW, just for the heck of it!

Uflymike.com

They often do and. Quick phone call will settle it

Thank you!

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and factory support shut down, so why even bother with this plane.

@@tropicthndr Not true. Factory support is alive and well. Plus, we have a whole team dedicated to the support of the airframe.

Great airplane but will struggle in the used market due to the end of production. No way around that.

@@bkrone2 Resale as well if one decides to sell it.

Wish I had more money... !.!.! ( :

Who is your CFI? I know a few guys that own one.

Thank you!

Yeah. Cessna moved the production plant and most of the employees didn’t want to move. So they lost all that experience and their Mexican plant was having issues. By the time they got it all figured out and running smoothly they were losing money

I'm new to this? What is the parachute recovery system?

Can you source information for this?