The CETME LC have one hell of an aesthetic. I need one.

Well.. that's an LC... we used 'em few; only for do door guards and naval exercises, vessel boarding and that kind of stuff, the three that i'd held felt heavyer than my CETME L, i also felt better with the cheek againist the bakelite stock of the L than againist the LC wires stock, i didn't liked it. Also, that flash hider was the standard on the 98% of the CETME Ls of the Tercio Norte of the Royal Spanish Marine Infantry only the 1st serie CETMEs had that three lugs flash hider that you've in your L, the normal thing on my Tercio was the one on your LC, i think it was the 3rd serie/batch; the sights are the same one than on the L, but on the shooting range we only did 50m 100m and 200m with 'em, while with the L we did from 50m to 400m. The LCs that we had were much more realiable than the Ls, using the same mags and ammo, when we had an stopage with the LCs it used to be the mag; they were less used and less beaten, they still in few number on the inventory of the Armada, the CNP (Cuerpo Nacional de Policía = the cops) and the Guardia Civíl, and thankfully they'd gave few use to 'em too.

"and it's got all the original parts which, I think, is pretty cool" Ian flexing HARD

8:49 3 oz (ounces) = 85 g 9:02 8.75 lb = 3.96 kg 9:13 8.50 lb = 3.85 kg For those wondering

That's a damn fine looking carbine!

Honestly, one of the best looking rifles I've ever seen. I like that style of stock. Reminds me of the Q honey badger.

4:23 The full version has a dual stage spring, while the carbine has not. Please take a note if it makes a difference while shooting.

I was just thinking that a 12.5” barrel, 5.56 chambered CETME or HK roller-delay carbine would be my dream gun, lo and behold, here it is!

Hello Ian! Spanish guy here, my old man did mandatory military service with the CETME L. Back then, guys said CETME stands for 'Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida', meaning 'Every corner has hidden shit' , because apparently they hated cleaning the thing lol.

An elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

Now, that brings back unplesant memories of cleaning an AG3 (HK G3) year after year.

Earlier flash hiders were all the open, three-proged type. Since it gave trouble moving in brush areas, the closed one was adopted. You can find all CETME versions with both types. Open ones early on, and closed "bird-cage" after being introduced (no exact dates, probably, since exhausting older flash hiders in stock). You can also find later flash hiders in earlier rifles refitted or repaired.

I had a chance to talk to a Spanish veteran who served with CETME L. Ian talked in another video about reliability and other issues, Spanish knew about those, he told me army mechanics worked wonders tuning them to be reliable rifles. So at least some units could to have properly prepared guns ready for action.

I have both the MCM L and LC and love them...excellent guns. MCM fixed the short coming of the originals. Mine both shoot flawlessly. I'm pondering on applying for an SBR stamp for my LC, that shorter barrel looks awesome.

¡cuántos recuerdos! CETME (Centro de Estudios Técnicos de Materiales Especiales). Mr. McCollum instructing and teaching us day by day. Thank you.

I want this beautiful piece in video games.

Having carried a full size M16A1 through the jungle I can tell you that having a shortened version of a standard rifle would have been greatly appreciated. The M4 was not in general use at the time but I wish it had been.

Gun Jesus hath blessed us with yet another gun sermon, praise be onto Him

Glad to be able to keep learning from these videos! Keep up the great work Ian!

The telescoping bolt carrier and spring is a neat solution for shortening rifles that otherwise need an extension tube.

I've always found the CETME L a bit "meh", but this one really speaks to me.

Ian with the changes to the recoil spring, is the felt/perceived recoil different between the two rifles?

Love love love the CETME. It was my first battle rifle( first rifle period). This is the perfect budget battle rifle ( not modern retools from century or pmc ) for entry lvl shooter. The parts kit availability is staggering, the caliber is legendary, the action is ROCK solid, the reliability is beyond serviceable, the manual of arms is short and simple. The new shooter can get the rifle,parts kit and first 1000 rounds, even mount a red dot ( mounts or lack there of is the single greatest drawback to purchasing an older/ cheaper milplus.) and still only spend around $3000 . Considering the enrty lvl cost on any other 7.62 nato platform where the rifle can cost $3000 ez. Here in Colorado they are asking about 1500 for a pmc paratrooper tooled on old milplus. That is still $1500 less than its name brand contemporary and that leaves you with $1500 to bolt on or send. The Cetme in my opinion is one of the if not the best budget battle rifle you could find that has compatibility with many variants across the European theater and in North America. The ar10s dont have the parts compatibility for bcgs. The m1a will bite the shit out of you for getting fatigued, the m1 is antiquated and -06 may be in short supply on a modern battlefield, HKs are overpriced and based on the same action with very little records indicating G3 is far superior to the Cetme that it evolved from. ❤ this rifle

Actually, although it's a slightly smaller diameter, the recoil spring is just as long as it ever was. What they did was remove the buffer spring from the recoil spring guide rod and relocate it into the receiver endcap.

Meanwhile in Spain we can’t own semi CETMEs because they are chambered in “war calibers”.

It is usually said that the LCs are built to a higher standard than the regulars, so that would make them even more desirable. The ET marking on that one refers to "Army" (Ejército de Tierra). There are others that were assigned to the Guardia Civil units.

This gun just looks beautiful, I love the design aesthetic

Can't begin to say how well timed this was, I was just about to go watch all your llama/cetme videos again so I can look at these beautiful guns I'll never own.

1000 likes 0 dislikes THAT'S THE IAN WAY

One of the most beautiful rifles ever produced.

As a volleyball player, I love the name of this gun. SET ME!

Such a cool little rifle. Never knew that SBRs were exempt from the 922r law!

I did my military service with one of those Good memories

"Corto" perfectly pronounced. Saludos de Chile, gracias por compartir el video Ian.

I just picked up a CETME L and now this video. Sounds like I made the right choice

Beautiful rifle! Thanks for showing us

Would this configuration have "tilt" issues as the recoil spring is not in line with the cartridge?

No one expects the Spanish inquisition

Oh if only I had the money to afford one of marcolmar's gun

I definitely do like the looks of this gun and I would choose it as a secondary backup. I think the reason for it being shrunken down so much and have a collapsing stock it's definitely make tighter corners and little more maneuverable. that's my best guess anyway even though you don't really lose much weight, still seems like it's better for tight spaces.

One hell of a sexy gun. So cool to see you interested in CETMEs Ian! Regards from Spain!

I wish I could afford one of these for a reference collection

Gotta love the incoherent gunlaws in the US xD always entertaining :)

Makes sense to delete the bayonet long when you consider who they're building the gun for. PVT Snuffiego *absolutely* is going to snap a bayonet on there if the lug is present and at all accessible. At which point, he's going to swing it around, and everyone will laugh until the bayonet comes flying off (because, without the forward attachment of the muzzle ring, it isn't actually fixed) and someone loses an eye.

Nothing like a Forgotten Weapons video early in the morning

I love my cetme G3, one of my sweetest rifles and can shoot 308 out of it all day long without shoulder fatigue. It is the 60 year old conversion with original wood grips and stock but has very little wear considering it's age and the amount of ammo I have put through it.

What a beautiful rifle. 😮🙏 Both the L and LC.

Thank you , Ian .

The stock of a MP5, the reciever of a FN FAL and a barrel of a STG44.

I had no idea SBR were 922(r) exempt! Thank you!

This looks like a G3 Grease Gun and a Daewoo made very vicious love and this is what came out. I love it in all its weird cheapness, and there's something amusing about using Roller Delayed in of all things, a stamped shell.

Seems to resemble the MP5

I was on holiday in Tenereffe and the airport security was armed with these

the roller delayed guns never cease to amaze me... so simple yet effective... and this one is extremely sexy on top of that :)

The "move the spring up and forward" was likely taken from the AK. That's been a space saving feature since it's inception.

That LC is awesome. Definitely something that I need in my life.

Always remwbered the instructor telling me about the AG3, always keep the gun on Safe at all times.

Coolest gun ive seen in a minute .

The fore-end looks similar to Magpul fore-ends, especially on the shotguns.

I would be interested in you taking both rifles and doing some test firing. Let's see low-light and night firing. Then swap the flash suppressors and repeat. If that weapon turns out anything like an M16 series weapon, the prong flash suppressor will have a lot less flash! Great video. Take Care and be safe, John

4:23 I'm sure you know the specifics of the relation between the dimensions of springs, and their rates already, but for those of you who don't, here's a few rules of thumb: Increase in spring OD= Lower spring rate Increase in wire diameter = Higher spring rate Increase in number of coils = Lower spring rate Also if you use more than one spring in a row(serially) you decrease the rate. if one of the springs bottoms out the rate increases after that point. If the spring is longer, but used in the same space as a shorter spring, your rate isn't affected, but you have a higher preload. The relation between spring OD and number of coils, and multiple springs are a bit counter intuitive. However if you think about how the spring actually works, it make sense. There is an equation that I use sometimes, I actually have a parametric model I made, so I can just plug in the numbers in fusion 360, and it scales my model to whatever dimensions you input and also gives you the rate. The most interesting thing I found after making the model is that coil springs twist as they compress, which decreases the number of coils, but increases the diameter, which allows the rate of the spring to remain constant. I believe torsion springs have a similar effect. The equation is described here: www.engineersedge.com/spring_comp_calc_k.htm

Man that gun is good looking, like a mix of Sturmgewehr, Stoner 63A and M41 Pulse Rifle

In my experience, a heavier weapon helps mitigate recoil, whether it is a rifle or pistol. So maybe the slightly denser feel to it will mean more pleasant shooting?

This thing has like a cool retro modern look to it. Reminds me of the rifle from the Resistance series for the PS3, which was like a modernized WW2 era rifle

I like how it started looking like FNC at the front.

I love the way the weapon sits on the magazine. I doubt it is intended as a display feature but I appreciate the happy accident.

This one looking AESTHETIC AF

Steel stamp and plastirubber grips - the kind of gun the SA80 was meant to be.

Easily one of the most gorgeous looking modern carbines. I want one

Olympic Arms AR pistol had to do something similar. I found that out from a video from a great channel Forgotten Weapons.

It slowly grows on me.

Reminds me of the Swedish AK5, FN FNC. It would be really nice to see a video on the FNC btw :)

I think this is my new favorite gun.

You can see the design heritage that lead (via a twisted path) to the MP5.

It’s like someone described a G41K to someone over the phone.

Thanks for the info. I have a the standard one, Runs good.

I come from a Spanish Military family, when my grandfather passed away a couple years ago, I tried to export his guns to the US where I live now (because Freedom is awesome). Sadly it was impossible to get them out of Spain, and the police destroyed them since none of us could own them legally. Yeah I’m still bitter about it

That looks like an awesome competitor to the M4. Needs a railed handguard though.

I enjoy the fact that you weighed your rifle.

Huh. Getting some strong G36/G3 vibes here, the history of the CETME and HK really can't be denied

THIS is why I watch 'Forgotten Weapons'...I have NEVER heard of the CETME LC, until now...and, it LOOKS like one HELL of a BAD ASS weapon...now I just have to watch the video to see if it REALLY was BAD ASS, or, just LOOKED bad ass.......

Love my black LC, love shooting it!

Not a bad looking rifle. AR mags, and 5.56 are nice. But chop the sights off and put a rail on top. Use AK or AR grips. and a few other minor touches and that would be a keeper.

I wonder if the charging handle extension was used in the origional model as wiggle room to tweak the bolt carrier mass during the design phase

What a good looking gun!

Irrelevant to this weapon and the idea behind “forgotten weapons” but wouldn’t be nice if HK could release more info on the HK 433 rifle? There is hardly any info out there about that rifle

Greetings from Spain !! I love when you review stuff from my country, we are not so prone to appreciate guns as you americans do! BTW, pronunciation is closer to Thet-meh than to set-mee!

“You expect a smaller rifle to be lighter. It’s certainly handy, but not necessarily lighter.” My exact feelings about my AK-V. Love that gun, but she’s a bit porky.

Seeing this gun always makes me chuckle. Looks a lot like a toy gun that you see in Mexican Flea markets. Still nice though.

For some reason the Canon advert amused me.

Lovely gun. With a shorter barrel, I bet that CETME's "bark" was as big as its .308 bite.

From an engineering standpoint, I like the LC bolt carrier better; it might be a bit more difficult to machine (not entirely certain), but it's certainly more compact.

Such a cool looking rifle

I understand about the FAL having a different spring system,because of the Rat tail they have. I have several FAL,s in all configuration. But I also have several roller locks G3 and Cetmes. C,s And L,s I have G3,s with a similar collapsing stock and since the recoil spring doesn't actually go into the buttstock, but terminates there. There isn't any need to change any of the parts like they did in the LC.. still scratching my head why...

Have the undersides of those bolt carriers been modified to allow better travel through the magazine feed lips? Looks like it.

Spain really had a few good ideas on gun designs- like their request for a para G3 that is lighter and has less recoil but same firepower.

Collapsible stock the pop up headlights of the gun world lol

I can't help but wonder what a roller-delayed system gun would look like today if it they'd been continuously used and upgraded like the ARs.

GOD WHY DOES THAT GUN LOOK SO GOOD?!

This just my opinion, but if the Spanish had removed the fixed front and rear sights and replace them with MIL-STD-1913 rail, and add mlok slots in the handguard; the Spanish would have a better rifle than the G36.