Unironically DEFENDING The CGI Of Green Lantern

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Despite having a budget comparable to many other visually appealing films of its era, the suit in 2011’s “Green Lantern” is widely regarded as one of the worst examples of CGI in cinematic history. It’s so bad that even the film’s star, Ryan Reynolds, takes every opportunity to mock the floating, CG-rendered head.
But is this criticism fair? Wobbly heads on a CG body were a persistent issue until the time-travel suits in “Avengers: Endgame.” Looking back at “Green Lantern” now, it’s nowhere near as bad as some recent examples we’ve seen. Moreover, “Green Lantern” had to maintain this effect throughout the entire film, whereas other examples couldn’t even manage it for a single shot!
In this video, I’ll be the first person in history to defend the CGI of “Green Lantern.” I’ll break down why this effect is so challenging and explore why the filmmakers decided to give their main character a fully CGI body for the entire film, rather than opting for spandex like other movies. We’ll also play devil’s advocate and consider how this single choice may have derailed various aspects of the film’s production, resulting in the somewhat peculiar final product.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Why Was The Suit CGI Anyway?
3:13 - Why Did They Think This Would Work?
3:45 - Soooo What Went Wrong?
5:04 - It's Gets Worse...
6:50 - Brilliant
8:31 - Getting The Neck To Work
10:18 - It's Gets EVEN Worse...
11:28 - Defending the Suit
12:52 - The Constructs
14:11 - The Lantern Corps
15:14 - Outro And Thanks
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@CGWHY 16 күн бұрын

👉 To try everything Brilliant has to offer for free for a full 30 days by clicking brilliant.org/CGY/. You’ll also get 20% off an annual premium subscription. This is the first video I’ve ever been really nervous to post because it’s my first time addressing some “bad” CGI - Although, I’ve tried to be really fair to it. I also really enjoyed the second half of this video where we discussed all the pros of a CGI suit because those certainly have been overlooked for many years - Especially all of the Lantern Corps stuff. I think that was really impressive and for sure deserves more credit. But yea, how do you guys feel about this suit? Did this video change your opinion on it at all? Or is it still bad 😂

@Ladondorf 16 күн бұрын

Another huge problem is that the suit is supposed to be glowing but there's no green light reflecting on his face or his surroundings. That's why his head and body don't look connected.

@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond 15 күн бұрын

I agree, adding some actual green LEDs to the mocap suit would have helped tremendously. I'll say this for the movie, the director's cut is nowhere near as bad as theatrical. They cut some really good scenes.

@ziggygunz2447 15 күн бұрын

Damn it! I never noticed this before and now it's all I can see in every scene even on the all cgi characters lmao smh

@MugshotzAS 15 күн бұрын

It was an issue lightsabers had before the started using practical LED’S.

@DIDYOUSEETHAT172 15 күн бұрын

Good point. I liked the movie, (with a minor cringe or two) and had to explain numerous times to the clueless, the suit is comprised of pure energy, not solid fabric, which is why they opted for CGI. However while I thought the suit was passable in that context, yes, a glow would probably have enhanced the illusion.

@ninjawhippetproductions7411 14 күн бұрын

Exactly! There needs to be more light emanating from the suit, or (which would be much easier) way more ambient light effecting the suit.

@edusszfx 16 күн бұрын

Honestly, the VFX of this movie isn't even that bad.. I've seen worst in the last few years for sure. It was just a bad movie overall

@viveklimboo1605 16 күн бұрын

It's not a bad movie! It could have been much better!

@calebmcclure3893 16 күн бұрын

Honestly the movie wasn't that bad, sometimes it feels like DC movies get unnecessary hate for no reason

@DARKredDOLLAR 15 күн бұрын

For years I've only heard bad things about this movie. Bad CGI, bad writing, bad movie. A few years ago I finally decided to watch it and I couldn't see any of that. I genuinely enjoyed it.

@sash4all 15 күн бұрын

The Mask looks really weird, but there are way more bad movies out there... some people expect that every movies has to top everything else...

@kermitwilson 15 күн бұрын

Worst thing about this movie was the lack of imagination with what a Green Lantern could do with his powers. It wall mini-guns and F-16s or some crap. The only thing limiting a Green Lanterns powers is his imagination. Sometimes it kinds of feels like he craps on his own movie to mimic the publics reaction. And the publics reaction was shaped by the critics. A Green Lantern movie would absolutely have to require a ton of CGI, and this movie wasn’t any better or worse than the MCU movies.

@tpyntavyk5552 16 күн бұрын

I'll just come out and say it: this movie's problem is not the CGI, it's the story itself.

@Cotygeek 14 күн бұрын

The crazy thing is, and I know a lot of people say this about every movie with a director's cut, a lot of the story problems aren't in the director's cut. It takes the movie from a 5 to at least a solid 7.

@takemeseriouslyplx2124 14 күн бұрын

@@Cotygeek Might watch it later, been a while since I last saw it!

@Samuel-qe9lj 13 күн бұрын

Yup… the cgi is actually great here… the story not so much..

@Agent-57 12 күн бұрын

It basic. Mid. Offers nothing to remember. The villain is the worst part.

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 19 сағат бұрын

@Agent-57 yeah, it also didn't have a major moment where we see why the ring chose Hal. Never gave us a moment where he does something impossible with will power.

@brettseegmiller 16 күн бұрын

It definitely wasn't a CGI issue, it was a story and art direction issue

@ziggygunz2447 15 күн бұрын

Exactly!

@nephtalicerino3085 15 күн бұрын

The story. The fucking story. I was sold with Ryan Reynolds’s as Green Lantern, but after leaving OA the movie is just really bad story to a charismatic character.

@ME-yb2lm 14 күн бұрын

Why did Hollywood have to keep making the big bad into a fart cloud back in the day? LoL

@marqparks 14 күн бұрын

@@ME-yb2lm CGI budgets. It's always in movies with too much VFX shots elsewhere (like this and Rise of the Silver Surfer)

@MEANBEAN_SUPREME 11 күн бұрын

I 100% agree! Re-watching as an adult now, the bad story direction was what made it a hard watch. Like the toby Spiderman movies, but I'll stop there... 😬

@VogtTD 16 күн бұрын

The idea that it was the worst cg ever is absurd. The suit itself looked amazing, even if it didn’t blend perfectly with Ryan’s head. If the film had been better, nobody would have cared about the imperfect cg.

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

These types of comments really make me happy. We put so much work into this movie and when it came out it was panned. I get it, I've worked on plenty of crap, but this one was special for me. It was my first time working on a mega budget film.

@TheXentios 9 күн бұрын

@@RichardServello I really liked this movie. Not only CGI part , story was also pretty good for me. The most amazing part is constructs were actually constructs and not some space magic effects. Many Green Lanterns just use a green dust going around instead of guns/bombs/shields.

@Funknwanker 2 күн бұрын

@@RichardServellothe CGI was good for GL and felt it worked for the suit as it is just a construct made from the green light of will emitted from the ring. The guardians could have used another couple of weeks they seems like they did not get as much time as needed.

@wheeler6768 Күн бұрын

@@RichardServello regardless of the public response, you should still be proud of this, a CG suit like this was super ambitious for a 2011 movie, and the fact that it looked as good as it did throughout the movie is really impressive. It's not perfect, but the general response is definitely excessive, I think most people just jumped on the hate train because it was the popular thing to do. I really enjoyed the movie and the suit as a kid

@letoatreides8098 Сағат бұрын

@@RichardServello I never had any issues with the CGI. I've always thought it looked cool with the energy suit. But the floating head problem caused by a disconnect in the lighting really is unfortunate. So it's quite disheartening how Ryan Reynolds keep putting all the blame on that. He seems like a true history revisionist. Same thing he did to Deadpool in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Apparently he didn't know the character(?) he signed on to play THAT version and then when it was panned he put all the blame on the producer/director/concept artists. And of course, they are to blame as it's ultimately their vision for these things, but he did agree to play THAT character. Maybe he should've read a Deadpool comic before. And then when it seems he ultimately did, the real Deadpool came along. But I'm not a fan of Reynolds at all. Not an interesting actor and he isn't even that funny

@DanteYewToob 15 күн бұрын

Funny thing about the iron man “floating head” is that I actually saw a cosplayer on Reddit who talked about how people kept saying she photoshopped her face onto armor… She kept insisting her and her bf made the armor, 3D printed and custom fitted and everything… the issue is that the metallic paint of the full body armor without the helmet creates an odd effect where the armor and head appear to be lit completely differently. Thats what makes it look fake, is the mismatched lighting. She literally had the Iron Man effect in real legit armor anyway! The people in the Reddit thread were talking about how the CG artists probably used light simulation and made the suit look real, but not right. There’s a difference. Sometimes CGI has to fudge things because our eye is so used to a certain look, like Hollywoo explosions and stuff.. so instead of making it “look right” they made it “look real” but the problem is that in that specific situation, “real” looks fake because of a trick of the light! Haha So this girl made a few posts showing the armor being made, and how they took the photos and inside with harsh lighting it looks fine… outside in softer daylight it immediately started looking like a fake floating head stuck on armor. But a cool thing was that by removing one sleeve of armor, the effect goes away.. it gave our brain another reference for human skin and shadows and lighting and it seemed much less fake! Our brains are so weird… light is so weird. It’s so complicated and small things can mess with our perception of what’s real, or what looks “wrong” to us even if we can’t explain what or why it feels wrong…

@TenGeniusStupid 15 күн бұрын

as an artist who uses references it’s so weirdly interesting seeing how differently skin reacts to lightning when compared with clothing or in this case armour. Like there’s so many different effects going on at all times like sub surface scattering making skin look like it’s glowing and bounced lighting changing shadow colours, it gets really hard to make it a cohesive piece

@jacearmor5274 15 күн бұрын

That's actually really interesting.

@uraverage2fortenjoyer 15 күн бұрын

Do you have a link to this? Curious how the cosplay looks like

@dareka9425 15 күн бұрын

For me it's photography. I had my family members and friends thinking that some of my outstanding pictures are photoshoped. Yes, I love to make silly images as joke but it's funny and sad when people think you manipulated the few pictures that you honestly captured at the right time and near perfect lighting condition that the image looked far too beautiful or surreal to be real.

@enoyna1001 15 күн бұрын

Name of cosplayer?

@bigtruck805 16 күн бұрын

never understood the hate it got i thought it was fine and the CGI was fine if not good

@JamesDeanLP 14 күн бұрын

This movie is a lot better when you don’t have someone next to you telling you it’s bad.

@hidayatmusroni 9 күн бұрын

@@JamesDeanLPyeah i realy enjoy it when watching it the first time, i mean it was cheesy but it had that charm of the early superhero movies

@jdrmanmusiqking Күн бұрын

"CGI" is the go-to complaint when people just want to turn off their brains and regurgitate a popular albeit nonsensical sentiment People who hate on the use of CGI in a freakin SUPERHERO MOVIE are just... Fake comic fans at BEST. CGI is the best way to transfer that comic feel to the big screen when it comes to heroes with actual super powers

@jeshuruncarlos6649 16 күн бұрын

With Ryan Reynolds trying to make every possible joke with Green Lantern and the General Public hating on the movie, I'll say this: This movie was the only movie we had at home on DVD and we used to watch this movie over and over again. I just liked the movie and I loved to watch the action scenes over and over again.....

@lelecoleco_bangu6924 7 күн бұрын

Ryan Reynolds can be so unfunny sometimes. it's not coincidence his movies are always average or straight up bad

@jessicafortin4321 2 күн бұрын

I have treat he’s it many times as well and not just be aide it was all I had available. It’s fun entertainment. People just like having stuff to complain about!

@wheeler6768 Күн бұрын

1000% if Reynolds didn't try to keep milking the GL joke throughout his career, the movie wouldn't be nearly as hated. It was never amazing, but people just pilled on it

@DavidMartinez-ce3lp 19 сағат бұрын

@@wheeler6768agreed, he even killed himself in Deadpool 2 when he was about to read the Green Lantern script. Didn't he meet his wife filming this movie? He acts like this is his worst failure.

@erkscollectibles 15 күн бұрын

This movie isn't among the best superhero movies of all time, but it certainly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I think it's fun.

@olabassey3142 15 күн бұрын

i worked as a 3d animator when i was younger, never thought the cg was bad

@pingaswingas1 15 күн бұрын

Same, dude. I'm an animator now and I feel like an idiot because I can't see what's wrong with the suit.

@CarrotStixBro 16 күн бұрын

I mean ngl I liked the movie and didnt really mind the CGI

@JamesDeanLP 14 күн бұрын

Same. It seems like everyone’s complaints with this movie are them comparing this to what could have been (with the script being leaked earlier into production, or people wanting a physical suit) as opposed to just judging it for what it is. It’s not a great movie by any means, but everyone treats it like it’s unwatchable, it’s just fine.

@basti.9022 14 күн бұрын

I don't know why everyone in the internet hated this particular movie.

@themonsterunderyourbed9408 13 күн бұрын

Same.

@SZfiftyfour 13 күн бұрын

@@basti.9022 I've been a fan of Green Lantern since I was a little kid in the late 80'-90's, not a superfan I just know about the lore and stuff. Reynolds campy acting style ruined the character, good for Deadpool, bad for Green Lantern. Also making the movie an origin story that's pretty hard to fit into a couple hours, especially when they also squeeze in the Parallax character, which was actually the end of the Hal Jordan era before it was rebooted in comics. They made a movie with the origin, the death, and the reboot of Hal Jordan rewritten into one and it's a MESS. On top of that, they used childish elements of the comics as far as his powers and heroic feats. As if making the movie for a demographic that's not even going to be interested in that character. And that's why people say it's bad. As a stand-alone movie it's passable but it got dragged by the fans.

@Ultiminium 13 күн бұрын

I loved the movie

@twopintsofmilk 15 күн бұрын

People give it a lot of crap but it's literally the greatest live action Green Lantern movie ever made.

@santos8468 15 күн бұрын

It's the only live action Green Lantern movie ever made.

@twopintsofmilk 15 күн бұрын

@@santos8468 😂 I'm not wrong

@santos8468 15 күн бұрын

@@twopintsofmilk But you can't call it the best because there is nothing else to compare it to.

@twopintsofmilk 15 күн бұрын

@@santos8468 it's the best because there are none better than it. It's also the worst because there are none worse than it. My comment was for the algo and the LOLS(small lol in this case 😢)

@amn9433 11 күн бұрын

@@santos8468 you don't say...

@nikgrid 16 күн бұрын

Nope! I'll "die on the hill" that the production design was A++ and it made sense that his suit is a CGI suit because it's a RING CONSTRUCT in the comics.

@ChiefWombatCuddler 14 күн бұрын

While you're 100% correct about the fact IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK UNCANNY, you have to realize that this film was made in order to bring the hero to WIDER AUDIENCES. What they should have done is have Hal Jordan make a "Human Spider" tier suit, then through sheer willpower alone have that uncanny suit manifest upon him. Would have really helped out on character development, helped the audience see the uncanny suit as an upgrade, as well as being able to sneak in some goofy jokes/references. Won't lie, I know I just typed the "wider audience" blasphemy spiel. What I'm trying to point out is that they failed at their true intentions.

@chengong388 15 күн бұрын

Ironically, his super suit is also animated in deadpool. Actually his entire character is animated in deadpool.

@santos8468 15 күн бұрын

So, it's not a stuntman in that suit?

@pingaswingas1 15 күн бұрын

That's how they got his eyes to emote.

@fireaza 12 күн бұрын

@@pingaswingas1 The eyes were actually pretty simple! Rather than using CGI eyes layered on top of the suit, they simply stretched and squashed the eyes of the suit in Photoshop!

@000bbysizzun 11 күн бұрын

yea but like you dont really see his head so its lowk easier to animate

@pineappledbs463 10 күн бұрын

@@santos8468it is?

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

Constructs were really interesting. There were SO MANY that none were art directed before they got to comp. We would get EVERY energy pass they came up with and everyone would look dev a single construct, then the best design would win. My look of the brick wall was used in the training scene. Might not seem like much, BUT it was the only non-glossy construct so it was fun to create something that still fit in the world but was technically different.

@natantardeli5327 16 күн бұрын

CGY thirsthing for ryan simply made my day cant blame ya in the slightest

@CGWHY 16 күн бұрын

I'm only human 🤤😅

@ordinarryalien 16 күн бұрын

@@CGWHY You don't even need to be a hooman for that.

@mr.zombzo 15 күн бұрын

@@ordinarryalien Even aliens understand the charm of Ryan.

@ordinarryalien 15 күн бұрын

@@mr.zombzo We do. 😏👽💚

@loganshaw4527 5 күн бұрын

@@CGWHY if you complement green lantern in front of Ryan how would he react?

@Ventralzr 15 күн бұрын

For years I believed I was the only soul that didn't hate this movie. Yes, it had a bad script and the CGI was noticeable, but I always praised their character design and world building. One of the scenes that stuck in my head since I watched it, was when we got to see all the lanterns and see the alien design with their unique suit/armors. But outside from Hal Jordan and Parallax, the concept and consistency with the lanterns was truly enjoyable for me and I respect the ambition and their efforts. TBH I think this movie became one of those memes that everyone knows they must trash on it because it's fun.

@YasonYou 10 күн бұрын

That bit about that alien flying as if he was swimming while Reynold's character flies rigidly like a jet blew my mind. What an amazing detail!

@StupidMarioBros1Fan 16 күн бұрын

Even though it was considered bad at the time, the CGI Suits don't actually look that bad and haven't gotten much worse as time goes on. It was moreso the disconnect between how Ryan's head and the Suit moved. The body actually blends in with the footage fairly well at times and it's really only the Mask that constantly looks horrible. Now I am being loose with the term "blends in" because it's constantly glowing & reminding you that it's fake but the alien GLs do look like they're in the scenes. When they're not attaching a real head to it, the CGI Suits work. So rather than a full CGI Suit, they should've had a practical suit that was just the dark greens and then add the highlights & glowing with CGI. Even if they'd end up replacing the whole thing with CGI, the animators would've had better reference footage if Ryan wore a tight suit. At least we're able to learn from it, like I never noticed that the movement at the bottom of the neck was why it's easy to tell when a real head is placed on top of CGI. It explains why that part is usually hidden like with Iron Man. On a side note, was there even an explanation for why his eyes turn Blue when wearing the suit? I'm assuming the character had blue eyes in the comics and this was a way to pay homage but the constant color change looks bad and makes the CGI mask even more unbelievable when Ryan's eyes are being edited too.

@maximeteppe7627 16 күн бұрын

Even just having a real collar could have saved so much labor. That said it would have entailed some compromise of not looking as otherwordly, not as much like a perfect second skin.

@Doomsword0 16 күн бұрын

Yeah I had that thought a few minutes into the video and couldn't not think it. A practical suit with the same effects would look much better. I also don't think the suit looks that bad, my big thing is the mask. It's too small and tight

@SpiderCop 15 күн бұрын

His eye turn blue to mimick the way he looks in the comic where his eyes are pure white when he wears the domino mask, I guess it was a middle ground because they figured completely white eyes in live action was too creepy for kids or something

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

@@maximeteppe7627 The neck was a MAJOR pain point. Often we would have to warp it manually to get it to line up with the plate.

@charlespuruncajas9663 11 күн бұрын

When you see the CGI quality of The Flash and most MCU Phase 4 and 5 projects... you must give a pardon to Green Lantern

@sarakajira 15 күн бұрын

Thank you for doing this. I've honestly never understood the hate this film gets. I think it's quite good and the cgi works well imo because the whole green lantern power is making these constructs. It makes perfect sense that the suit would match that, and I've never had a problem suspending disbelief watching this films. And it's one of the few superhero films that I don't mind rewatching many times. Plus the whole Green Lantern theme of conquering fear is great.

@wcapewell3089 13 күн бұрын

Not gonna lie, I've kinda always been okay with the CGI suit. 1) It's the first time they've tried doing the GL suit in live action (to my knowledge) and 2) How else did you think they were gonna make it. it's a suit made out of energy that's in a CGI world, its gonna look a little weird. What they should do in the future though, is to have a practical suit that they can use and add CGI effects to in post. A mocap suit can be used when the suit is being put on or taken off.

@Meowtro 12 күн бұрын

Shoulda had a real suit for reference that was painted over with whatever CGI they needed.

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

That would have helped...A LOT. Also didn't help that a lot of the blue screen shots were dark and magenta and several of the green screens were yellow. Overall production was less than stellar and gave us more than a few headaches!

@Sydpart2 16 күн бұрын

I've honestly liked this movie since it came out and even have the art book where you can see ultra HQ images of the different corps members. It's pretty funny to hear people rag on the cgi in it, particularly the suit. I still maintain that the vfx team did an incredible job and people only say it looks terrible because they know it's cgi going in. A really strong case I feel for it was just a personal experience I had where I was watching the deleted scenes that have no finished vfx work on them so it was just Ryan and Mark Strong in the mocap suits talking. My mother happened to walk through the room at the time and said "what are they wearing?" I had to explain that the suits in the film proper were fully cgi and she'd watched that with me in the past. Just never realized.

@dibenp 16 күн бұрын

I liked this Green Lantern movie and its computer graphics. It was cool. 😎

@Orinslayer 16 күн бұрын

Based. 🌐😎

@brentonjoseph 16 күн бұрын

unironically love this movie. it also gave us possibly the most beautiful Barbie face ever created with the carol ferris doll. Not to mention bringing blake and ryan together. 💜

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

Dude, thank you for doing this. After 13 years this show is finally getting some love. :)

@thisisfyne 16 күн бұрын

I think most people would have happily overlooked the CGI shortcomings if the movie had been.. well.. good.

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

Very surprised to see so many of my shots in this review. That's rare when someone does a deep dive into one of my shows.

@rocksreviewsreactions337 10 күн бұрын

I kid you not, I could never see the problem with the Green Lantern suit. Sure, it can look weird at times, but it never bothered me that much. It's crazy though how it looks a lot better than CGI in some modern films.🤔

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

Saw another one of my shots! I always love when my old shows get revisited :)

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

Oh, another little bit of insider info. The rooftop scene was a reshoot WAY into post production. Ryan was in Africa shooting another movie that he had to shave his head for. The entire sequence was shot in a hotel room drapped with green fabric. He was wearing a TERRIBLE wig, which was subsequently replaced by CG. I had one shot in that sequence...it looks SO BAD. LOL. In case you didn't know :)

@yakomachaco7611 10 күн бұрын

A big thing in Wonderlands favor is the stylization, which is purposefully uncanny, where green lantern is supposed to be set in the “real world”

@ninjawhippetproductions7411 14 күн бұрын

Y'know, looking back at these clips, I genuinely think the biggest visual problem with the suits is the colour grading - the green is *way* too heavily saturated to look tangible next to the live-action elements. Any shot with a primarily digital environment, the suits look great, but in shots where they're the only digital element (especially darker or backlit ones) the luminance of the green is way too high to look like it fits in with the rest of the shot. I remember Corridor Crew mentioning a similar issue in the original live action Sonic trailer - his fur's so intensely blue that it doesn't look like it's reacting to the ambient light enough

@artpereira 15 күн бұрын

I never had an issue with the suit. I think they did an amazing job

@NabilTouchie 16 күн бұрын

Similar case with CATS if the movie fails, the VFX gets the blame

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

It's easier to blame us than production. We've always been the easier punching bag.

@lorddraugr3138 6 күн бұрын

“I lied to you too. See the thing is, you have to be chosen” I genuinely did internally cheer at that moment.

@gengarvenom1180 9 күн бұрын

It makes sense to use a cgi suit though. The suit is a construct like all the other ring constructs. It makes sense to have it look consistent with all the effects.

@silverloveguns 16 күн бұрын

it should be compared with the iron spider suit from infinity war

@heitoroliveira5166 15 күн бұрын

The Iron Spider suit covers his head mostly of the time, and don't mark his body muscles, so i don't think is comparable. Bcs once they cover Tom Holland's face, it's just 100% CGI body without need to blend with a real person. Ryan's face was always visible.

@stiimuli 15 күн бұрын

The CG work (suit included) was NOT the problem with that movie. Been saying this for years.

@dunsparcedm43 13 күн бұрын

As a result of watching this video, I had a dream last night where Ryan Reynalds became my roommate and I was hanging out with him for a few weeks and the entire time he was kinda rude and didn’t like me but he was also really insecure about being in green lantern so I spent the time trying to convince him that green lantern wasn’t actually THAT bad of a movie and he shouldn’t be so hard on himself especially when the problems with the movie weren’t his fault. Over the time he grew to be a bit kinder to me and to himself

@murphyjones4063 15 күн бұрын

for me it was the fact that since they had a budget they made some of the objects the lantern portrayed not practical like the gun at the end of the movie😂

@gangofheroes 15 күн бұрын

Honestly the biggest issue I had with the movie was the plot and specifically that of the villain, after he left Earth it should have stayed in space going off to feel like a buddy cop movie in space with Hal and Sinestro but end up with revealing Sinestro is basically a dirty cop planning to overthrow the Guardians.

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

Anytime you don't see Ryan's face he's fully CG. We would have a butt reel every week of all the shots that were from behind to not have to deal with footage.

@CaptainRockoBD 14 күн бұрын

Gotta remember hal Jordan wasn’t the only character they would have needed to do this for.

@michaelwoodby5261 16 күн бұрын

Think of how much money and how many skilled artists worked in service of this suit, and wonder why the heck they didn't put just a little more time and effort into the script.

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

We had the entire building in Culver filled with artists AND the building in the culver studios lot next door. We also had a facility in New Mexico. Smurfs was going at the same time so we had to have an additional render farm brought into the parking lot in trucks! Power outages also happened often.

@owene2530 10 күн бұрын

Hal is notorious for being unimaginative with his constructs, so they got that accurate in the film. Constructs are convoluted as hell anyway a bunch of characters construct things they couldnt possibly imagine in detail

@user-pm6nx1fs2w 13 күн бұрын

I ain't have a problem with the CGI itself, I had a problem with how the suits looked like they were basically just spray painted onto the user's bodies and the Very drastic design changes everyone but Sinestro went through. Like Kilowog looking more like a Pug than a Pig in the Humpty Dumpty one looking like some creepy Jim Henson Workshop puppet

@milddiffuse 16 күн бұрын

Very interesting! One thing I'm a little unsure about is what you said about full digital replacement not being very common? At least nowadays I'm pretty sure it's very common for Digi Doubles to fill in for a lot Effects like this, if you don't see actors face very clearly.

@harrisonplott4674 14 күн бұрын

this is such a guilty pleasure movie if they maybe had the focus on sinestro trying to teach hal while showing sinestros fall due to another villain i feel like it wpuld have a came away with a better script/story

@MrGoofymcgoo 15 күн бұрын

You could probably make a entire video on the CW flash cgi

@thatjasonguy4537 15 күн бұрын

The entire defense of CW Flash CGI was that it's a 20+ episode show per year running on a Network Television budget and schedule.

@FranciscoSciaraffia 9 күн бұрын

I've always enjoyed how this is the only movie of its kind where a scientist freaks out at the implications of aliens being so human-like.

@Mr.Surprise.715 13 күн бұрын

Honestly, I appreciate the explanation bc I don't think ppl realize how hard that stuff really is. And like you said, I think it actually captures what the comics were trying to convey. As a fan of the comics it was really cool to see it come to life. I think most of the problem the film sufferS from is more revolved around the writing / casting. I don't think RR was the right choice for the role.

@user-iq2yp1dn1q 15 күн бұрын

The movie (and this video) is a valuable record of the progress in the art of capturing and reproducing the minute details of the human body movements of a professional actor toward the goal of becoming believably a living human body going through the experiences portrayed in the movie.

@Demetrius900000 16 күн бұрын

You got a new mic? Thank you! I can hear you better now =)

@Bibbly53 6 күн бұрын

Ang Lee's Hulk and this Green Lantern movie have always had some juice.

@leshiy_nd 13 күн бұрын

One thing I would put "Green Lantern" over most other movies for is how aliens are really highly diverse in their appearances. With all my love for "Guardians of the Galaxy" almost every single alien is just human. And you're in big luck if they have colored skin. Is there at least any canon explanation for that? Like "in far future mankind figured out timetravel, but something went wrong and a lot of people were sent back on a bunch of random planets"?

@funtypeofbored 15 күн бұрын

I have and will die on the hill that the CG suit is better than people say it is

@lewissmith6086 15 күн бұрын

Can you do one where you ironically defend the CGI next.

@xtraspecialmango 14 күн бұрын

Reynolds - Perfect for Hal/GL - They Studio had Deadpool in their hands & messed it up. Sinestro - Perfect Casting Kilowog - Perfect casting

@somethingsomethingsomethingdar 15 күн бұрын

This one feels like one of those movies where the director had no idea how to work around the limitations of cgi. Not only that he literally made their job harder by the sets and on location shooting

@samekhproductions 11 күн бұрын

I always loved the suit design. The glowing emblem with the viens glowing throughout the suit was so cool! Had they lighted the environment and his face better it would have looked better.

@ShreyasK238 13 күн бұрын

I still can't believe the guy who made Casino Royale and Goldeneye, 2 of my favorite movies, also made this.

@JeetWin-ll7ix 12 күн бұрын

I don't think it deserves this much hate .I would still like to see an energy based suit for Green lantern it just makes sense and is less time consuming to change then a super suit .The villain,the motives ,the Hal Jordan was annoying but sometimes it worked ,The settings on earth were a miss .

@amesmedia4447 12 күн бұрын

I think one thing people forget when bashing CGI is that vfx artists don’t want to create something that looks bad, why would they? I’d argue that 9 times out of 10, it’s not a lack of skill or artistry, but a lack of budget or clear art direction.

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

We put everything into making it as good as was humanly possible in the time we had and the constantly changing script.

@akaBoG 16 күн бұрын

Nice video. My son and I both saw the flick in theaters when it released and we liked it for the most part. My biggest complaint was that they tried to shove too much in - the whole Fear monster story should have been woven into a sequel.

@SilasBlanks71912 12 күн бұрын

bruh i got a mint mobile ad with ryan rynalds while watching this 😂

@PunkieDudie 10 күн бұрын

I thought it was genuinely pretty good. Like, when I was a kid I thought it was pretty cool and looking back now, the concept of the idea of the suit and end result was still pretty solid

@RobAlfieInostrozaLindley 10 күн бұрын

They did a great job with the VFX on this movie. This is wayyyy better than many movies that came afterwards. I actually enjoyed it!

@TiagoTiagoT 11 күн бұрын

I wonder if it would've worked to combine the oldschool optical approach from the original Tron, with some additional layers of CGI enhancements...

@RandomJtv 14 күн бұрын

I think the better solution would have been to have gone with a practical suit and then added VFX touches to it. Because nothing about the CGI suit looks something somebody couldn’t have physically made.

@Archie-gm8wl 21 сағат бұрын

I genuinely loved this movie as a child. So much so that I watched it multiple times even tho the version my dad pirated on a dvd was a VR version and I had to watch one half of my tv screen.

@farrukhkhalid2230 11 күн бұрын

i have watched this movie more than 100 times but it still amazes me for some reason.

@BKing007 14 күн бұрын

The outcome as a whole movie might not have been great but the work they put into has to be noticed like this

@Kaotik199O 8 күн бұрын

1:31 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 NGILLA DICKSON 😂😂😂😂 That's the ladies real name 😂😂😂

@toyloliSpare 7 күн бұрын

What you say here matches with my impressions when I watched this movie years ago. I felt like they should have taken a Tron approach. Giving Reynolds an actual suit that looks like a lantern suit, but has CSO elements ON it that can be digitally replaced or built on... Instead of a blank suit with mocap. They could have easily incorporated things in a way where most of the body would have been real and only the effects layered on top mattered. And would have been just that - layers. Not a full replace!

@RichardServello 10 күн бұрын

This was also rendered using Arnold and the entire suit had to be parametized in order to render a segment of it. The shot that starts with the lantern logo and pulls back had to be rendered on 10s for months to be able to work on it because that shot alone took a week to render on the farm. Getting the logo in full detail meant parametiztion of his toes at that same res, even tho it's not in view. I had a shot in the training scene where he stands up and I needed less neck on the render...took 2 days to get a new render.

@3DMVR 14 күн бұрын

i just want millions of glowing green particles forming meshes

@TheN1ghtwalker 14 күн бұрын

Better have a CGI suit than a cheap practical one like in James Gunn's movies.

@Artista_Frustrado 11 күн бұрын

honestly the suit is the easiest to meme on, but the VFX is probably the best part i love how they made the suits unique ... the actual movie though? yeah it wasn't very good. & yeah as another person in the comments pointed out, the fact that there's no actual green light makes it blend less; so yeah maybe they could have used physical suits with green LEDs for the filming & add the CGI on top

@DevilMaster 9 күн бұрын

I always like the Green Lantern suit, and I wish a producer was crazy enough to greenlight a Deadpool vs Green Lanter movie.

@RealBLAlley 13 күн бұрын

I applaud you for defending CG artists, whose work mostly falls short due to decisions made by people not associated with the visual effects companies. Regardless of the flaws, I never understood the criticism of the suit. There are plenty of elements deserving of criticism for the movie (💩☁), but in my opinion the suit isn't one of them. As you stated it was energy formed into a suit. As such it wasn't physical material clinging to his body, so the justification for the wonky definition is that the suit looked like Hal's mental idea of what it should look like. From your research it seems they actually tried materials and techniques to create a physical suit and simply couldn't make it work.

@Jiyoon02 8 күн бұрын

CGI artists are literally the backbone of the modern Hollywood cinema, yet a thankless job whose work catches eyes not when it's done good but only when it's flawed.

@SageX85 9 күн бұрын

Could have used a mixed approach, practical effect with CGI to enhance spandex. The suit is supposed to be constructed from his mind, he is an earthlink, so he knows clothing. Guy Gardner suit has a vest/jacket, so using spandex would have worked, Heck they could have thrown a little easter egg by making the suit the one from Alan Scott and the Hal not liking it, and still it being made of cloth.

@Jokervision744 15 күн бұрын

Yeah... There was some strange disharmony... And the boom box of the show was the suit, so you couldn't just let it go as it was there all the time. Great pieces of work that didn't just fit together. You said what I was thinking about. 😊

@oriditkowski8110 15 күн бұрын

Great video please talk about the 3erd act fight in avengers 1 if I remember correctly they made the Houle city using CGI

@CGWHY 15 күн бұрын

Check out the King Kong Cities Video :D 👀

@95tracker95 Күн бұрын

I wonder if Painting that motion capture suit on to Ryan Reynolds directly would have improved the muscle tracking?

@BenKDesigns 15 күн бұрын

I wonder what the corridor crew could to to fix the graphics in this movie. Maybe not the whole thing, but I bet they could redo a bunch of key scenes and make it look a lot better now.

@specialresident22 13 күн бұрын

i loved the green lanturn movie and so did 2 friends i went with and we never usually agree.

@truckshackley373 13 күн бұрын

I always thought that the scripts for the live action movie and the animated movie First Flight got switched. First Flight was basically a buddy cop movie (think Lethal Weapon in space) and was fantastic.

@FreeJohnDoe2006 9 күн бұрын

I'm one of the few whom actually loved the movie and wanted a sequel

@cyrilgeorgethomas1680 13 күн бұрын

You ain't the only one. I loved the movie and didn't even think the cgi was bad. Also Ryan Reynolds was a great casting choice for Hal Jordan Green lantern. I really wish seeing Ryan again as Hal someday.

@jameslucas3161 7 күн бұрын

1:32 The costume designer's name is Ngila Dickson. Her first name is pronounced "Nyla".

@NovianLeVanMusic 9 күн бұрын

What made Endgame different, what advances did they make? I was really hoping you'd touch on that!

@luchosilva359 9 күн бұрын

The disign of the suit is not even bad

@BatMane95 12 күн бұрын

Given that this movie was made in 2011 and wasn't an Orc, Chimp, or Giant Robot, it honestly looks amazing

@skinnyramen2138 11 күн бұрын

got a mint mobile ad before watching lmao. poor ryan.

@MelchVagquest 6 күн бұрын

I'm glad that someone else addressed that the CGI suit was still going strong even in the Marvel side of films. Unfortunately, the worst thing about Green Lantern isn't the suit, it's the final battle. It's cliché for the newest/best member of the group to succeed where the big group failed, but it was a mistake to have Hal defeat Parallax by himself, with no support from the Green Lantern Corps. It ends up making the Corps look incompetent. In which case, why would Hal Jordan want to be a part of their crew?

@Demetrius900000 16 күн бұрын

Need to rewatch this movie now, watched it only once as a kid. Enjoyed it but don't remember a thing.