Simon, thank you for your review! You really covered a lot about pedals here. I really wanted to share my thoughts with you, because you care about this stuff. I am a hardcore metal drummer, with a focus on playing powerful and fast double bass. I use a standard 45 degree angle on the beaters, a longer beater height and I prefer chain drive (DW Turbo Cam 1:1 ratio), no triggers. I set my pedals up absolutely square with the bass drum, and with a straight drive shaft from pedal to pedal to keep things as even as possible. What I am about to say ONLY applies to the Yamaha double pedal setup. As a single pedal the Yamaha was superb and exceptionally smooth, and just a pleasure to play on. So I had 2 brand new sets of the Yamaha FP9 Chain drive double pedals. This happened because I had an issue with a bearing on my first set of pedals, so Yamaha sent me another new set, and I can tell you these issues were on both sets of brand new pedals. So the major problem was the pedals are uneven. If the beater angle is made to be identical on the main pedal, the left foot board is always at a different height at the bottom of the stroke after you press the pedal down. When the left foot board angle is then adjusted up to compensate for this, then the pedal board is too high at the beginning of the stroke. To make the left foot board match the right board when it bottomed out, the beater had to be brought in closer to the head. And now the beater angles aren't identical. Welcome to the endless circle. Also the heel plate makes noise. Go ahead and give a good tap on that heel plate and you'll hear it clank. I don't understand why it makes any noise at all, it should be solid. I have some other minor gripes with the pedals (like the 2 pillar slave pedal, no beater height markings). But the reality is it was impossible to play evenly spaced double bass on these pedals. I understand this isn't what you are trying to do with your music. When I played some single foot playing with some flams and double bass here and there, the Yamaha pedals were fine. The Pearl Demon Drive pedals also fixed the issues of the Yamaha double setup. Beaters were dead even with pedal height left and right side, and no strange sounds. My favorite pedals I own are The DW MCD XF (Extended Foot board). I know you said you have tried the DW pedals but I'm going to guess the 5000 series or 9000 series? Try the MCD XF if you can.

@@Scolecite Hello, thank you and thanks for sharing 🙏. I am sorry to hear about your struggles with the FP9s. However, I must say that I cannot relate at all. I don't face any of the problems you described with neither of the 2 pedals. Maybe those were earlier issues that could be fixed or the problem lies somewhere else. I don't know and therefore can't be of any help here, sorry. But yeah, as you said, I play different stuff on those pedals than you do. Maybe for what you do (and how you do it) another pedal works better. And yes with DW I am exactly talking about 4000, 5000, 7000 and 9000 pedals - which in my opinion all suck (yes, also the high end versions of the 5000 and 9000) 😉...

@@SimonSpringerMusic But you have you ever tried the DW MCD or MDD? (Not the 5000 or 9000) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jJ2UZNV1nq-Xn6M.html

Thank you 🙏!! I am glad to be of any help 💪...

For sure haha 😅...

Thanks 💪!!

Vielen Dank 🙏🥳!!

Burying the beater is absolutely no problem with direct drive. At least not with the Yamaha FP9s. You can SEE me burying the beater in this video. And there is no fart 😉...

Thank you 🙏🥳. Yeah, maybe that piece is metal, I'm not sure. Thanks for sharing! I am very looking forward to my HHS9D Stand 🥰!!

Thank you!! That's my beloved Paiste 20" Signature Traditionals Light Ride ❤.

Thank you 🙏. If you're fine with your pedal, there's no need to really change. Every new pedal will come with an adjusting period. But if you want to try something new I can really recommend the FP9s 😉🥳.

Well, the slave pedal works very well on this one. I have never experienced any slave pedal coming so close to the main pedal as with the FP9s. If you tap them both, the oscillations are almost the same and in the same tempo, with the slave pedal doing one less or so. I don't have those other pedals you mentioned, so there won't be any comparison unless I get my hands on one of them 😉...

That test doesn’t really translate to much difference in feel. The FP9 has zero latency in the shaft, as does my Ludwig Atlas. A few might have some play but you can test that at the store before you buy it. Once your left foot is comfortable at all speeds, that test is meaningless. A lot of folks play with different spring tensions left and right anyway, rendering the test meaningless as well.

Vielen Dank 🙏!! Meine Skills sind in der Aufbauphase, aber ich bin dran 😉💪!! Ja, das Spielgefühl ist wirklich ein komplett anderes. Hier kommt es tatsächlich zu einer großen Umstellung. Wie gesagt, stilistisch sehe ich mich nicht gezwungen, dauerhaft auf direct drive umzusteigen. Da machts bei mir mehr Sinn, die Zeit ins Cam Drive Pedal zu investieren 😉...

@@SimonSpringerMusic Nur nicht stressen bzw. unter Druck setzen lassen, schon gar nicht von dir selbst, das hatte ich dann auch noch dazulernen müssen😂

I was comfortable with it right out of the box. But I guess eventually I ended up using a wider beater throw and a higher spring tension. I know that Weckl is sticking to his "old" pedals but 1, he is much shorter in height than I am and therefore might not dig the longboards that much and 2, he is comfortable with what he uses und therefore sees no need to change gear. Which is always the best reason to NOT change anything. That doesn't mean though that the FP9s are inferior to previous models. In my opinion they are by far the best pedals Yamaha ever made. But again, it's about personal taste. If you like the old pedals better, go ahead and use those! I mean, a lot of people love DW pedals like the 5000 and swear by those - I HATE them 😅, worst pedals out there 🤷🏻‍♂. And now you could tell me: but Vinnie, Borlai etc. etc. play them!! I know, but still 😉! So it's always about personal preference...

No I agree with you. These pedals were over engineered to have some interesting features and look cool, but they missed the mark on the essentials. I had to return them also.

For sure, I too like to stick to one pedal 👍.

It's hard to describe exactly. I would say I use about a medium high spring tension.

@@SimonSpringerMusic nothing wrong with it per se but I got the dd first and as of today I’m returning for chain drive

@@medallion39 You might like the chain drive better. At least I do...

As with 99% of all double pedals...