F1 Suspension Pt 2 - Platform stabilisation, Heave dampers, Anti roll bars

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Chain Bear

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In this second video on suspension, we look at how suspension helps stabilise the platform of the car with heave dampers and anti roll bars
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@ALuzionz
@ALuzionz 3 жыл бұрын
This actually helped me understand how I can setup my car on ACC. This doesn't just apply to F1. Thanks Dude, Really helpful, I'll put you in the credits of my non-existent esports success.
@288gto7
@288gto7 3 жыл бұрын
Watch Aris if you want to get a really proper understanding of how to setup your car in ACC. As Chain Bear himself said , this video was just the basics
@leonardototaro266
@leonardototaro266 3 жыл бұрын
@@288gto7 true, but gives a very good basis onto which build up confidence
@288gto7
@288gto7 3 жыл бұрын
@@leonardototaro266 yeah it does
@ALuzionz
@ALuzionz 3 жыл бұрын
@@leonardototaro266 yeah, I now build on this well explained video. Already feeling good with some of my setups.
@dpinsy
@dpinsy 3 жыл бұрын
^ This comment in a nutshell. Good stuff.
@ladyravendale1
@ladyravendale1 3 жыл бұрын
Your 3D graphics are starting to get really good! Can’t wait to see what you do with them next!
@mr.randomgamer888
@mr.randomgamer888 3 жыл бұрын
I think he'll do stuff with em
@lolzlarkin3059
@lolzlarkin3059 3 жыл бұрын
1 vote for getting fusion 360 and modeling an entire car for shits a gigs
@grapefruit5690
@grapefruit5690 3 жыл бұрын
what else can he do you ifiot
@engdallal
@engdallal 3 жыл бұрын
I think the content is fantastic but with a true 3d model this video would be spectacular
@DapperHesher
@DapperHesher 3 жыл бұрын
Except his torsion bar is running the wrong way.
@crackedemerald4930
@crackedemerald4930 3 жыл бұрын
Now we just need the novel anti roll bars in the description
@GloveSlapnz
@GloveSlapnz 3 жыл бұрын
He even links to the main content in his video skipping past the advert. Chainbear you're such an asset to the F1 KZfaq community. Love all the work you've been putting in to improving animations and modelling.
@CRico16
@CRico16 3 жыл бұрын
Simply best youtuber talking about techinical f1 aspects
@lfc-europe
@lfc-europe 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for releasing this so quickly and not keeping us in....'suspense'
@CBielski87
@CBielski87 3 жыл бұрын
better than being in flexure joints thats a real pinch
@bilalsaloojee532
@bilalsaloojee532 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like dying after reading these...
@HarryPorpise
@HarryPorpise 3 жыл бұрын
Hahhahahahaha ha haa ha haha that’s funny
@sarthakmunda3914
@sarthakmunda3914 3 жыл бұрын
I'd been rolling with anticipation
@Stellar-Cowboy
@Stellar-Cowboy 3 жыл бұрын
Not funny it’s just the same joke Stop trying to f l e x
@MikeeCZ
@MikeeCZ 3 жыл бұрын
4:00 Forgot to mention side wall flex, so not as squarely as possible, the tyre should still have negative camber even after taking the roll into account to counter the tyre deformation due to all the lateral forces. The faster the corners & the more the downforce, the larger the camber. Also good to mention that rear tyres tend to have lot less or no camber at all. This is the trade off between cornering grip and acceleration grip as the rears are the powered wheels in case of F1. (FWD cars tend to have very aggressive rear camber as the rears main job is just to corner)
@auttomotiveelectronicperfo2010
@auttomotiveelectronicperfo2010 7 ай бұрын
Wow, tks a lot for this video, probably one of the best video available, easily understandble with awesome drawning animations! Tks a lot
@Mysteryman665
@Mysteryman665 3 жыл бұрын
Now I understood what Anti roll bars to do the car, both in F1 and in iRacing, thank you! :)
@alirazapunjani2673
@alirazapunjani2673 3 жыл бұрын
Having been subscribed to your channel for over a year now, I've come to expect this quality in your videos. Yet it's worth reiterating how damn good you are at tackling complex concepts that no one else dare touches, managing to break them down and build them back up from simple fundamentals, and all of this while always finding the right balance between not losing your audience to unnecessary complex waffle while also not dumbing down the content quality. Your work is greatly appreciated, Stuart!
@falinestixiaolong9691
@falinestixiaolong9691 Жыл бұрын
You're damn right. I had just watched before that a video on the official F1 channel about the exact same topic. The guy explaining may have been an expert but his diagrams were not clear, and throwing words like "anti-roll bars" without explaining what it is don't help, so in the end I didn't understand anything.
@tensevo
@tensevo 2 жыл бұрын
Nice animation and graphics, all I would add, is that static camber is used to ensure some camber remains at full cornering load to benefit from "camber thrust".
@Wasyashock
@Wasyashock Жыл бұрын
I now finally understand anti-roll bars, thank you so much
@mohamedsalahdimessi1721
@mohamedsalahdimessi1721 3 жыл бұрын
I can hear u explaning f1 concepts for hours, cheers.
@1985NathAtul
@1985NathAtul 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Chain Bear- can you please share a video on why current F1 cars are so much more in sizes than the ones in the start of 2000s?
@001thefish
@001thefish 3 жыл бұрын
This is incredible. It feels like you can watch the sport for decades and never learn anything about how the suspension works. These last two videos have taught me so much about things I'd heard about but never really understood, and it only took 20 minutes.
@swanner95
@swanner95 3 жыл бұрын
I love this channel's contrast between in-depth understanding of the fundamentals of an F1 car, postulations about race and championship rules and arrangements, insights into the teams and their objectives and challenges and of course, tactfully placed aubergines during the season reviews.
@JJ-zg1hh
@JJ-zg1hh 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative. F1 suspension has always baffled me. Not any more!
@DaylightDigital
@DaylightDigital 3 жыл бұрын
Love everything about this except for "shifting center of mass." Dynamic load transfer due to acceleration, braking, or cornering is not caused by the CG moving around.
@jozsefmolnar6453
@jozsefmolnar6453 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, absolutely. You can have extremely big weight transfer without almost any chassis roll or CoG movement.
@DaylightDigital
@DaylightDigital 3 жыл бұрын
@@jozsefmolnar6453 I stopped using the term weight transfer years ago precisely because it's misleading. Load transfer is more accurate and less ambiguous.
@MortyMortyMorty
@MortyMortyMorty 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video like: "Was DAS any good?". Would be interesting!
@B3AN5
@B3AN5 3 жыл бұрын
If Mercedes used it in 2019 and 2018 it would have made winning the championship a lot easier as it allowed them to go fast in the corners and on straights without compromising set up, but because they were ridiculously dominant this year they didn't need to do it
@gbspikyfish
@gbspikyfish 3 жыл бұрын
Ja, DAS ist gut (I'll get my coat)
@amem3244
@amem3244 3 жыл бұрын
@@gbspikyfish reminds me of disco panzer
@1MyNickname1
@1MyNickname1 3 жыл бұрын
Yet I still can't setup my car in F1 2020 correctly.
@Kurosaka
@Kurosaka 3 жыл бұрын
Suspension is pretty tricky but I finally figured out differentials and brake bias
@laurisavolainen3129
@laurisavolainen3129 3 жыл бұрын
These really won't help you
@el-danihasbiarta1200
@el-danihasbiarta1200 3 жыл бұрын
a better driver..is better than tons of setup i learned a lot of setup and master it but still cannot control the car
@ronanoboyle6348
@ronanoboyle6348 3 жыл бұрын
Load a few time trial setups for a few different tracks and you’ll notice a trend for most tracks. Lower front aero higher rear wing. Softer front springs and front sway bars. Stiffer rear suspensions and rear sway bars. Usually about 1-3 front and 7-10 rear( for suspension and anti roll bars). Ride height 2-3 or 2-4 Suspension geometry usually either right left left left or right right left left. Tyre pressures as low as possible. Basically just get a baseline set up from time trial and tune it to your liking
@samnotloading6101
@samnotloading6101 3 жыл бұрын
In 2020 downforce is really good for time, highly recommend more downforce than previous years
@Bruno-cb5gk
@Bruno-cb5gk 3 жыл бұрын
"to maximize how much tread meets the tarmac to prevent wear, degradation and temperature issues" YES! Finally someone who understands that more area doesn't increase friction.
@grahamsnyder762
@grahamsnyder762 3 жыл бұрын
...it does do that too though. The coulomb model is an oversimplification for soft elastomers like racing tyres
@Bruno-cb5gk
@Bruno-cb5gk 3 жыл бұрын
@@grahamsnyder762 its not a perfectly linear relationship but its also not that far off from what I could find
@GregBrownsWorldORacing
@GregBrownsWorldORacing 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Stewart, I wanted to know more and nowI do
@oscarshen6855
@oscarshen6855 3 жыл бұрын
Under current regulation the fat tires do most of the work that should have gone to spring and damper. In 2022 they will use slimmer tires thats more raletive to road cars, they can't absorb as much energy as current tires, which means the suspention needs a full redesign.
@Timberwolf69
@Timberwolf69 3 жыл бұрын
A redesign? Not really. Some adaptation, yes.
@GameOver-nm2us
@GameOver-nm2us 4 ай бұрын
The little anti roll bar is kinda cute ngl
@josephiousbrosif
@josephiousbrosif 3 жыл бұрын
What a quality video. Very well explained 👌
@racingprincipal
@racingprincipal 3 жыл бұрын
These instructional videos are absolutely world-class. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into these videos.
@Metis1337
@Metis1337 3 жыл бұрын
I'm once again asking you to publish your 2021 F1 predictions
@itstimeforham
@itstimeforham 3 жыл бұрын
This has blown my mind. I didn’t really understand suspension until watching these two videos. Huge kudos to you, and thanks.
@harveytorres3742
@harveytorres3742 Жыл бұрын
thanks man, really helps me a lot
@markmcnaughton85
@markmcnaughton85 3 жыл бұрын
Here you are explaining things in a way that is only going to further invest me in race weekend discussions. You always seem to strike the right amount of technical knowledge for me personally and I applaud you for that.
@Jon1998109
@Jon1998109 3 жыл бұрын
Centre of mass doesn't change under braking. The braking force causes a torque which is then balanced result in an uneven load of the car
@MrRemyFitz
@MrRemyFitz 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do some videos to do with the America’s Cup because I think some of the foil stuff and other parts of the boat would be pretty interesting, thanks :)
@muhammadibrahim9704
@muhammadibrahim9704 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! please make more on suspension
@Manuel_Gestal
@Manuel_Gestal Ай бұрын
4:45 Koenigsegg triplex suspension
@JimTheFly
@JimTheFly 3 жыл бұрын
I've been a racing fan for years but this is the first time I really fell like I can start to understand all the various suspension-related terminology. I'm not sure I can properly use it in my racing games YET, but I feel like I'd be a lot less random in my setups at least.
@tonicrvnts
@tonicrvnts 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the video! I have many ideas now for mt trophy truck project
@QemeH
@QemeH 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just waiting for the next big step in suspension evolution: _Predictive_ Suspension Under the current rules they would be illegal, because changing setup during a lap is heavily regulated, but computer power should theoretically be there to not only load a profile, but rather gain live data from the car, which is then cross-referrenced with the position on track and gives an optimal suspension setup for the given situation.
@draconicdusk5911
@draconicdusk5911 3 жыл бұрын
Mind blown, so much useful information. Liberty media really should hire you to make explanation videos like this on F1 weekends.
@nikoyochum6974
@nikoyochum6974 3 жыл бұрын
quick note, I don't believe that the center of mass changes under acceleration, there is just a load transfer, the center of mass is a constant point.
@AviAeroAsis
@AviAeroAsis 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing presentation.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 Жыл бұрын
@2:29 you say that the centre of mass shifts under braking. While a tiny bit of that occurs, it is completely insignificant. Load transfer to the front under braking is not due to shifting mass... and any dynamic load shift (to the front while braking, to the rear while accelerating, to the outside while cornering) is not due to any change in the position of the centre of mass.
@sabercruiser.7053
@sabercruiser.7053 3 жыл бұрын
VERY VERY EDUCATIVE.
@srinitaaigaura
@srinitaaigaura 2 жыл бұрын
Stiff is not always more stable. If the suspension becomes too stiff, the car will bounce so hard the tires start to leave the ground and lose contact. This can lead to loss of control.
@patrickconlon140
@patrickconlon140 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video
@marcdoyon8840
@marcdoyon8840 3 жыл бұрын
Could you please start to do some videos about MotoGP with the F1 videos because I'm a fan of both and I love watching your videos and I can't find a channel that does good videos about MotoGP and F1
@ropre4FA
@ropre4FA 3 жыл бұрын
fantastic video!
@KyleCBowman
@KyleCBowman 3 жыл бұрын
Easily one of the best engineering explanation videos I have ever seen. Thank you!
@generalguilmon6719
@generalguilmon6719 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative, nice videos
@anidiotinaracingcar4874
@anidiotinaracingcar4874 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! Chain Bear back to doing awesome videos
@scottl.1568
@scottl.1568 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this
@mzdshii1113
@mzdshii1113 3 жыл бұрын
also Great video .. thank you again wish you all the best
@luar650
@luar650 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent!! Thank you
@TByrom
@TByrom 3 жыл бұрын
Nice! Well done
@mrc1672
@mrc1672 3 жыл бұрын
Great video
@zac-oros
@zac-oros 3 жыл бұрын
You are seriously under-recognized as a content creator and an educator. Awesome work.
@SmirkyWaters
@SmirkyWaters Жыл бұрын
I just wish they'd kept active suspensions in F1. All modern cars should have it. Citroën cars (before they were bought out by Peugeot) have shown how superior it is. Their old models still beat everyone else in driveability, handling and traction tests, and they're pretty much the only ones that pass the "moose test" successfully.
@cuzx1
@cuzx1 3 жыл бұрын
as always , great work. next do what is special about F1 car paint :p
@mikelewis495
@mikelewis495 3 жыл бұрын
Making your video on suspension into a cliff hanger is what left us in suspense
@a88senna
@a88senna 3 жыл бұрын
Quality video
@aionbrti
@aionbrti 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are sooooo well made! This just made my day so much better! I'm just glad to see, that someone really puts a lot of effort in his videos
@mba2ceo
@mba2ceo 2 жыл бұрын
Great VID !!!
@bobomian_6790
@bobomian_6790 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is one of the best explanation-videos (in general) that I have ever seen! Truly detailed, with technological precision. Of course it demands some knowledge about mechanics, but given that, your video makes it really easy to find out how this element on a car actually works. Awesome!
@Mattsretiring
@Mattsretiring Жыл бұрын
Great. Thanks
@AtrolinK
@AtrolinK 3 жыл бұрын
This is the first time in my life i've ever actually understood formula 1 suspensions.
@subhasgram
@subhasgram 3 жыл бұрын
Next on Cooling systems of F1 cars
@AhmedAhmed-bf9kx
@AhmedAhmed-bf9kx 3 жыл бұрын
Why this is not shownig in the channel
@MrJollof
@MrJollof 3 жыл бұрын
14 hours ago ?
@charlieohalloran7452
@charlieohalloran7452 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrJollof yeah whats going on? XD
@Zerkyie
@Zerkyie 3 жыл бұрын
You are a diffrent gravy, my guy.
@lukascudek5150
@lukascudek5150 3 жыл бұрын
What?? I mean, is he a hacker??😂
@andrewwang7699
@andrewwang7699 3 жыл бұрын
I assume you're a patron? Patrons have videos released (unlisted) a day or so early
@y__h
@y__h 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Chain Bear: Cybersecc
@thonolon
@thonolon 3 жыл бұрын
Have you done a video on Diffusers? Maybe do an updated on on the McClaren and new regs?
@GuzziHeroV50
@GuzziHeroV50 3 жыл бұрын
It bewilders me how you don't have 1M+ subs by now. Your presentation style is awesome, and your explanations both in depth and easy to follow.
@aymanalansari4696
@aymanalansari4696 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of your best vids ever, and by far the best explanation of F1 suspension I've ever seen! Love your work @ChainBear!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@heretustay
@heretustay 3 жыл бұрын
i feel like i just took a college course
@ViewtifulTj
@ViewtifulTj 3 жыл бұрын
While I understand how F1 racing works, there are so many technologies i don't understand. These 3D animations really do bridge the gap in a way that's easy for everyone to understand. Good job mate
@omeregekocademir3426
@omeregekocademir3426 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for the time stamps
@jeeveso
@jeeveso 3 жыл бұрын
The biggest takeaway from this is I understand what happened to Massa in Baku when he was on for a podium and his rear dampener broke 😭😭
@kawalsehmi
@kawalsehmi 3 жыл бұрын
Man your videos are amazing and well detailed. Keep up the good work fella.
@someonespotatohmm9513
@someonespotatohmm9513 3 жыл бұрын
I think a video about the regulations about the suspension could be interesting. I never understood why all the new suspension innovations that diver to much from the current setup are prevented, seems like you could do a lot of interesting developments in this area.
@mamtfasc69
@mamtfasc69 3 жыл бұрын
Incredibly high quality video in both content and animation. Keep up the good work.
@vineethprabhu8560
@vineethprabhu8560 3 жыл бұрын
I was longing for an explanation of what the different setup parameters in a F1 car mean while playing the game in my pc!! And here I am!!
@billyindiarto7209
@billyindiarto7209 3 жыл бұрын
Have been wondering all this time what a heave spring does. Now I do. Thanks to Chain Bear. Awesome
@miroyss
@miroyss 3 жыл бұрын
he is going to become a owner-technician-driver in 10 yrs. watch.
@dustyrusty7956
@dustyrusty7956 3 жыл бұрын
CB: an excellent tutorial, easily understood. Kudos.
@mooosje
@mooosje 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand 90% of this video as i wasn't paying full attention, yet it was still so entertaining. Definitely will be rewatching later on to see what I missed :p
@yodaslovetoy
@yodaslovetoy 3 жыл бұрын
Remember folks, always watch the newest video first, then go back to see what the feck you missed
@hermmie17
@hermmie17 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best and easiest explaination for this type of suspension setup, very well done.
@roflchopter11
@roflchopter11 3 жыл бұрын
Why aren't the individual wheel springs(torsion bars) removed as redundant? The heave spring provides heave stiffness (and zero roll stiffness) and the antiroll bar provides roll stiffness (but no heave stiffness). The individual wheel springs provide both, proportioned based on the track width. So what's the point of having them, besides allowing for asymmetric setups (are such setups even used)?
@panyeman2966
@panyeman2966 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I've been dreaming of building a racecar and the visuals helped me grasp the fundamentals of suspensions clearly.
@vtsevan
@vtsevan 3 жыл бұрын
make a vid of what a f1 car would look like with all the banned stuff
@fredherfst8148
@fredherfst8148 3 жыл бұрын
Well done. I finally get a grip on suspension. My takeaway is..holy shmoley...so many design and setup variables, all more or less interacting and specific to a course...mind blown again.
@oggmonster175
@oggmonster175 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do a similar video on active suspension?
@288gto7
@288gto7 3 жыл бұрын
3:20. those arent packers. They are just bumpstops. Packers or „spacers“ are small cylindrical things that slide under the bumpstops so that the car will hit the bumpstops sooner. If you want a detailed explanation watch aris drives and fatcad motorsports videos on bumpstops
@Timberwolf69
@Timberwolf69 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen packers in NASCAR, but those usually are wedged into the springs at a certain point to change the stiffness of that spring.
@MuSicProphet1
@MuSicProphet1 3 жыл бұрын
Just subscribed to this channel. I wish I found it earlier, I’m going to be binging all these videos. Great stuff man!
@Thermalions
@Thermalions 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the excellent explanation. I was aware of the terms but hadn't really ever tried to understand their interaction before.
@chakky533
@chakky533 3 жыл бұрын
truly exceptional visual education. i cannot believe how talented u are at this!
@ch0zm0
@ch0zm0 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation!
@9ishesh
@9ishesh 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like he can make better cars than current Ferrari's crew
@ally_crawford
@ally_crawford 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you're feeling a little better, Stuart. Also had a Jan to forget...onwards and keep up the good work 👍
@heylolp9
@heylolp9 3 жыл бұрын
@F1 hire that man for your KZfaq to help bring the technical side of the sport to the viewers
@davnape14
@davnape14 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, so so so so good!! Well done!!
@peterandrada4045
@peterandrada4045 3 жыл бұрын
liked and subscribed
@IriquoyPlisken
@IriquoyPlisken 3 жыл бұрын
I now understand some of the numbers on my F1 20 setup. Cheers! 👍
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