Change the sound of your hub

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oz cycle

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8 ай бұрын

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@secretagent86
@secretagent86 8 ай бұрын
Hats off for several reasons. 1) a topic not covered elsewhere; 2) thorough detail unlike many videos which skip or assume things are known to viewers; 3) excellent camerawork. While I strongly prefer a quiet bike, my is not so loud that i need to change anything. Hint to have zero clutch noise: never stop pedalling or get a fixie 😅😅
@crossroads4762
@crossroads4762 8 ай бұрын
I think it's an annoying sound but it is a subtle way of alerting pedestrians on bike paths.
@wazzup105
@wazzup105 8 ай бұрын
When riding solo .. maybe (although I manage to do fine without for the last 50+ years).. but when riding in a pack of 20+ all having that loud obnoxious sounds for hours on end.... please no.
@zoladkow
@zoladkow 8 ай бұрын
more annoying and less subtle are contaminated disk brakes - annoying but so much satisfying for that purpose 😁🙃
@joshuabuilds3051
@joshuabuilds3051 8 ай бұрын
Learn to whistle? Buy a bell?
@rangersmith4652
@rangersmith4652 8 ай бұрын
Until those pedestrians put in their earbuds.
@benoitbvg2888
@benoitbvg2888 8 ай бұрын
Letting them think they have a swarm of angry bees coming behind them does work quite well, indeed.
@t00fless66
@t00fless66 5 күн бұрын
Thx!! Was about to replace my Hope Pro4 rear hub because the noise was like nails on a chalkboard. 1000% improvement!
@fabianmolyneux2308
@fabianmolyneux2308 8 ай бұрын
Very timely vid as I'm just looking to upgrade my wheel hubs. Another fantastic job on your part with a very clear and well explained approach
@saidimon
@saidimon 8 ай бұрын
Damn!! This video was a hell o a class, Mr. Oz 👏👏👏💪🤓! I prefer a quieter hub and my friends hat-me because of this 😹🙈
@hughjanus7354
@hughjanus7354 8 ай бұрын
Good tip on using any grease you want from a range of thickness, rather than sticking with what manufacturers advise based on their long term testing.
@kccheng604
@kccheng604 7 ай бұрын
Such a great and informative video especially for the average weekend warrior. Thank you very much!
@darrenst441
@darrenst441 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant timimg on your video - i have 2 sets of wheels i am planning on servicing in the next few days and i was wondering how to quieten the set with the DT Swiss hub - then this video comes along ! Thankyou so much 👏👏😆
@awdtw
@awdtw 8 ай бұрын
My road bikes all run very thick grease, keeps it quiet, and my MTB's I run thin for maximum noise to alert others on the track. I realised people don't listen too well in urban environments so the loud ratchet noise didn't help vs a bell.
@meibing4912
@meibing4912 8 ай бұрын
Amazing as always! Hate the loud noise myself - but I have it on all my new carbon wheels as it apparently "the thing" when you buy a quality wheel set. 🤣
@ralfmimoun2826
@ralfmimoun2826 8 ай бұрын
In some clutch freehubs you can easily add pawls. Sometimes that's the only difference between the cheap and the pricey hub models of that manufacturer. Older Bontrager come to mind.
@stephanematis
@stephanematis Ай бұрын
Learned so much! Thank you!
@sorooshusa
@sorooshusa 8 ай бұрын
I dont understand why people like that annoying loud sound of the free hub. I wish it was silent. Even when i ride alone, I dont wanna hear a buzzing noise in the background.
@Adlemtbadv
@Adlemtbadv 7 ай бұрын
I agree. That's super annoying. But some people get a buzz out of producing annoying sounds. Like people who ride Harley's etc.. No shame. Then again, if you ride road, you'd probably want to bring attention to yourself due to the risks presented by third parties. But while I'm out cycling in the peaceful bush, I'd rather listen to bird song and the wind in my helmet.
@Gledii
@Gledii 3 ай бұрын
@@Adlemtbadv yeah, for me its like "bell", just stop pedalling to bring awareness that you are coming. some people got more annoyed if you ring a real bell. i think its sounds cool too. however the lifetime of the hub will be compromised with no grease..how bad? i dont know
@motogp9253
@motogp9253 Ай бұрын
If you want a silent hub, pedal more.
@ovedium
@ovedium Ай бұрын
@@motogp9253 savage
@ace12699
@ace12699 Ай бұрын
They called it. Show off or need attention
@stuartmurray7876
@stuartmurray7876 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. My Mavic Aksium hub that I've had since new sounds like a chainsaw, so it's good to hear that it's not too dissimilar to some of the hubs here.
@Tucsky
@Tucsky 8 ай бұрын
by far the best video about hub sound I have ever seen !
@kris2435
@kris2435 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing 😊 Found your channel this weekend. Subbed. Now watched 5-ish vids. You Sir may very well run the best🚴channel out there. Well done.
@john_john_john
@john_john_john 8 ай бұрын
I've recently bought a bike with a DT Swiss pawl hub, whereas I've had a Mavic ratchet hub before. The points of engagement difference is very noticeable for mountain biking, however the DT Swiss is literally almost silent and, to be honest, I'm willing to sacrifice the points of engagement for the ability to go down a trail and only hear the wind and the tyres.
@allenjanes5976
@allenjanes5976 8 ай бұрын
You might like onyx vespers. It's what I use. They are quiet as a church mouse with instant engagement. Only drawback is the price
@anthonystriglia3533
@anthonystriglia3533 8 ай бұрын
With thick enough grease you can make any hub very quiet
@markrushton1516
@markrushton1516 8 ай бұрын
Mapdec featured Corima wheels recently. Completely silent. Beautiful set of wheels as well.
8 ай бұрын
Great video, just one thing... Better to use a small brush instead of cotton swab, cause swab leave cotton hairs behind, as seen on 9:00
@festerofest4374
@festerofest4374 8 ай бұрын
For certain. With cotton swabs it's nearly impossible to not transfer some of the fibers (hairs) into the grease and mechanism -- not good.
@channul4887
@channul4887 8 ай бұрын
@@festerofest4374only a complete amateur would use a cotton swab aka q tip to apply grease.
@Veloasia
@Veloasia 8 ай бұрын
New favorite channel.
@NewEnglandDirtRoadie
@NewEnglandDirtRoadie 8 ай бұрын
definitely going to do this with an Easton Echo hub. cows stop giving milk when i ride by
@NewEnglandDirtRoadie
@NewEnglandDirtRoadie 8 ай бұрын
that worked BRILLILANTLY!!! thanks Oz
@mariog4707
@mariog4707 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video - very informative and straight forward.
@ariezcapistrano7212
@ariezcapistrano7212 7 ай бұрын
Love the onyx. Silent! ❤️ I usually repack grease on my Shimano hub and it silences even more ❤️
@sloprun
@sloprun 6 күн бұрын
Thank you. I thought there was no cure for screaming rear hubs.
@As2ronaut
@As2ronaut 8 ай бұрын
Viscous grease is not recommended at low temperatures; the hub may spin without engaging.
@AK-oz4ew
@AK-oz4ew 2 ай бұрын
Some industrial greases are rated for very low temps and work better than repackaged overpriced "bike" greases that are nothing more than regular thin grease, often low quality
@dontpanic7940
@dontpanic7940 7 ай бұрын
thank you! That video helps me a lot.
@lockie3075
@lockie3075 8 ай бұрын
I find it cheaper and easier to use a playing card and clothes peg...
@wazzup105
@wazzup105 8 ай бұрын
OMG that's what I use to have 50 years ago :-) Good things never die !!
@sultanabran1
@sultanabran1 4 ай бұрын
great video! definitely putting soe 000 grease in my dt swiss hubs. coming from hope pro 4, dt swiss are essentially silent
@iamcyberpunk68
@iamcyberpunk68 8 ай бұрын
I PREFER ZERO NOISE. IT IS OK FOR 15 MINTES OR SO THEN IT BECOMES A PISS OFF.
@jono1457-qd9ft
@jono1457-qd9ft 8 ай бұрын
Noise = wasted energy. And it's f'in annoying.
@robertmcfadyen9156
@robertmcfadyen9156 8 ай бұрын
@@jono1457-qd9ft It is a balancing act . NL GI one grade grease is worth trying .
@mr.bianchirider8126
@mr.bianchirider8126 8 ай бұрын
I’ve been using Phil’s Tenacious. It keeps it fairly quiet. From your video I need to up the thickness.
@wtfiswiththosehandles
@wtfiswiththosehandles 7 ай бұрын
I have a pawl and spring hub with 72 points of engagement. And I really regret buying those wheels, it sounds so loud and obnoxious. I will definitely try taking the hub apart to quiet it down using your method, thanks for this video!
@richardjones1777
@richardjones1777 7 ай бұрын
Thanks the the video!
@Raisen1992
@Raisen1992 3 күн бұрын
Excellent content!
@marct9942
@marct9942 8 ай бұрын
There was a time when the better the freewheel, the quieter.
@jeffs5519
@jeffs5519 8 ай бұрын
What a great vid, thanks mate!
@jojoanggono3229
@jojoanggono3229 7 ай бұрын
I like quiet ticking freehub like those of Shimano Sora. Recently I had my Novatec hub serviced after 5000 km. Replaced all bearing with mix of NTN and Ezo semi contact type, and re-grease the freehub with Finish Line lithium grease. Now it is quieter and roll very smoothly. This is after I noticed there is play in rear wheel and freehub was louder than when first installed. I think NL 1 grease is perfect for freehub, not too heavy and not overly light, like those made by SKF.
@derekhobbs1102
@derekhobbs1102 8 ай бұрын
I've started using those foil BBQ trays for when I'm servicing hubs or anything with small parts that can fall.
@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834
@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 8 ай бұрын
good idea
@victorrodriguez2806
@victorrodriguez2806 8 ай бұрын
A very good informational video. The sound that a person desires should have absolutely no bearing ( no punn intended ) on the final result of proper maintenance.
@toriushauser7143
@toriushauser7143 8 ай бұрын
Outstanding content. Thanks a lot
@richardportelance7810
@richardportelance7810 8 ай бұрын
Oz - thanks again for a great video. Wondering if you have a recommendation for an affordable set of 700c wheels for rim brakes with decent aero profile. Thx!
@khamposs
@khamposs 8 ай бұрын
Un gran trabajo, muchas gracias, saludos desde Chile
@53glowe
@53glowe 8 ай бұрын
Great technical video. But here's the elephant in the room...cyclists who want louder rear hubs are no different to motorcycle riders with loud exhausts, particularly Harley riders. It's a hear me, look at me ego driven attitude. They think it's great, but everyone else thinks they're a tosser. So if you want to be a tosser, or heaven forbid a wanker, go loud. If you think it's for safety reasons, you're hiding behind the real reason you want noise 🤔
@donwinston
@donwinston 8 ай бұрын
Great video! 👏
@Jon-Jon53
@Jon-Jon53 2 ай бұрын
Wheel bearing grease or motor assembly grease is best for use in freehubs. It's designed to stay in place and will take much longer to thin out needing more.
@skottIMtri
@skottIMtri 8 ай бұрын
Great info again Steve, a question though. My star ring from Elite only contains one spring but the star ring you showed had two.
@stevenleffanue
@stevenleffanue 8 ай бұрын
Just use whatever was in the clutch. If there was only one spring then put back one spring in the same place. Different hubs have different arrangements.
@phillycheesetake
@phillycheesetake 8 ай бұрын
I'd quite like my hub to be silent. When I can justify one of those sprag clutch hubs I will, but grease is cheaper last time I checked ebay.
@dperreno
@dperreno 8 ай бұрын
Just an observation, the thick grease will get dispersed from the star ratchet face over time, so you will need to reapply periodically to keep the noise down. Also, too much grease can also prevent the ratchet from engaging, so don't dump the whole container of grease in there.
@dereknovaes4217
@dereknovaes4217 10 күн бұрын
A few years ago I used synthetic spray oil for my BMX hubs! What a beauty that was
@richardmiddleton7770
@richardmiddleton7770 7 ай бұрын
If your freehub body has 4 or 6 pawls, you can shorten 2 or 3 opposing pawls on a grinder by half of the distance between the ratchet teeth. This adjusts the 'phase' that opposing pawls engage. Ali Clarkson has a video on doing this.
@ukaszwrobel8153
@ukaszwrobel8153 7 күн бұрын
Greta video. Thanks.
@m2xtv
@m2xtv 4 ай бұрын
Nice Video! What you say is a good grease for max. Sound like 00 or 000? Which one exactly can you recommend?
@venombicycle9105
@venombicycle9105 8 ай бұрын
This has been the unsolved mystery after I saw a guy using DT Swiss 240EXP hub(which is same as mine) but his hub was completely silent. Thanks, guru!
@tz1
@tz1 8 ай бұрын
I have dt swiss 240's with 54t ratchet. put some ceramicspeed long life grease in and it barely makes any noise now. too quiet. hoping it will get a bit noisier soon.
@Adonis-qj1nq
@Adonis-qj1nq 3 ай бұрын
@@tz1 How long did it last and did you ever have issues with engagement/slipping? I’d really like to quiet my hubs but don’t know how it works over time.
@tz1
@tz1 3 ай бұрын
@Adonis-qj1nq starting to get noisy again, but i dont mind. Lasts for quite a while. I only noticed a bit of slipping when I put too much ceramic speed all round grease.
@Adonis-qj1nq
@Adonis-qj1nq 3 ай бұрын
@@tz1 thx
@wrussum1
@wrussum1 7 ай бұрын
Great for Mtn. Biking: In 1985 one of my riding buddies pointed out that one can get close to wildlife much easier with a heavily greased hub.
@KP-tf6lf
@KP-tf6lf 8 ай бұрын
I changed mine thanks to playing card and a clothes pin- when i was 7🙄
@JohnDoe-oe3dg
@JohnDoe-oe3dg 7 ай бұрын
I'd add that -if your hub has like 6 or 4 pawls, removing even half of them while keeping balanced spread of pawls on the hub - won't do anything bad, and decreases the sound significantly. -using thick grease should work, but only temporary, until grease layer won't be spreaded by engaging pawls. If it's too thick and stays to prevent spreading, I think there could be risk of not full pawl engagement. Also, sometimes finding the exact thickness value of the grease is major PITA
@ThisGuyRides
@ThisGuyRides 7 ай бұрын
depends on the hubs, but removing half the pawls in Bontrager hubs would reduce engagement points from 108 to 54.
@saifulazlin4185
@saifulazlin4185 8 ай бұрын
very well explained; thumbs up
@ironray123
@ironray123 8 ай бұрын
I find this video "a-pawl-ing".
@robertmcfadyen9156
@robertmcfadyen9156 8 ай бұрын
With a motorcycle mechanic friend , I ground a second set of cavities into a Novatec D042SB freehub at positions one third away , or 30 degrees away from the existing ones on CNC and we doubled the increments from 26 ( unmodified ) to 52 points per revolution as a result . We then added a second set of matched pawls .The conversion was successful and another friend is riding with those hubs in - situ with success . A NL- GI no 1 grade grease was applied before re - assembly at the beginning of this year .The hubs are still going strong today .
@anthonystriglia3533
@anthonystriglia3533 8 ай бұрын
I’ve been wondering if this is possible
@davidpottage6402
@davidpottage6402 8 ай бұрын
Are the two star rings interchangeable or do I need to keep track of which is which when I disassemble my hub? Are the two springs different?
@jozefsk7456
@jozefsk7456 8 ай бұрын
11:42 - nah you will find those small parts again, but it will be a year later or when moving shop. Those buggers will haunt you on purpose. thx for a very informative video
@timothysinclair8724
@timothysinclair8724 6 ай бұрын
Loud hubs are as annoying as my neighbours barking dog
@SwitchyCrystals
@SwitchyCrystals 3 ай бұрын
Louder hub = safer for pedestrians. I commute along the canal and when its windy sometimes my bell doesn't cut through the wind. Winding the pedals in reverse let's them know there's a bike coming
@thomulcahy
@thomulcahy 8 ай бұрын
Good to know that thicker grease will dull the annoying sound.
@thejuampi
@thejuampi 8 ай бұрын
Master class thanks
@davidhakes5141
@davidhakes5141 7 ай бұрын
They sound like a fishing reel, with a big bass on the hook, and it's stripping the drag.
@christopheroliver148
@christopheroliver148 8 ай бұрын
I wonder how much the loudness of the spring sound boils down to the amount of force in the engagement springs. If the opposing teeth were slightly undercut, I think you wouldn't even need that much engagement to guarantee total engagement on pedaling. In that case, the only click would be from the tips of the opposing teeth passing over each other rather than the teeth hitting their full engagement points.
@robertmcfadyen9156
@robertmcfadyen9156 8 ай бұрын
You are referring to the loudness of the engagement "PAWLS" .
@robertmcfadyen9156
@robertmcfadyen9156 8 ай бұрын
Pawl tip shape changes harmonics and resonant frequency slightly . I have experimented with this in a machining shop producing pawls on CNC .
@DannysMyNanny
@DannysMyNanny 3 ай бұрын
I love me some noisy hubs. Have the Zipp ZR1 hubs on a set of 404s
@akissparaskevopoulos
@akissparaskevopoulos 8 ай бұрын
Thank You
@andrewm6192
@andrewm6192 8 ай бұрын
DT Swiss always advise to use their red grease but greese is grease at the end of the day. Been using regular grease on my DT Swiss Pawl type hub for a while nice and quiet 😀
@henrybikeman
@henrybikeman 8 ай бұрын
…grease is grease……Hahaha. Funny guy.
@krissk77
@krissk77 3 ай бұрын
The noise is nice.. alerts others road or trail users u r coming.... fast... slow riders to give way.😂
@highanddryful
@highanddryful 7 ай бұрын
A fantastic tutorial as always so thanks. Personally I enjoy the loudest clutch as it sure scares the hell out of drifters walking in the middle of a shared path.
@AK-oz4ew
@AK-oz4ew 2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the sound reduction is nothing but a temporary thing. You can have better success with thin industrial greases, just make sure they are cold weather rated
@Alex-bl6oi
@Alex-bl6oi 7 ай бұрын
Great video! I've read other places that grease is only a temporary quieting/fix. Is that true? If so, how long does it stay quiet?
@stevenleffanue
@stevenleffanue 7 ай бұрын
Should stay quntill you next need to clean and regrease the clutch....usually after winter.
@christianpaulroldan4010
@christianpaulroldan4010 4 ай бұрын
I like it
@insanegixxerdude486
@insanegixxerdude486 12 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. Can you provide the link for the super team carbon wheels star racket upgrade kit?
@stevenleffanue
@stevenleffanue 12 күн бұрын
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@philippejoseph8604
@philippejoseph8604 8 ай бұрын
There is eventually an other option : Keep on pedaling always ( humour ). It's a joke, I appreciated the very professional video.
@speckles9251
@speckles9251 7 ай бұрын
Well done video
@pompeymonkey3271
@pompeymonkey3271 8 ай бұрын
I remember stripping down my screw-on freewheels "blocks" in the eighties. This was usually because I'd need to replace a broken pawl and, as a self-funded teenage racing cyclist, the cost of a new block justified the time it took to do the repair! Just don't ask me about tying cotton loops around the pawls to keep them in place for re-assembly... lol :)
@stevenleffanue
@stevenleffanue 8 ай бұрын
Yep and loosing those tiny loose ball bearings 😃
@Doeff8
@Doeff8 8 ай бұрын
Very much bikes make a ridiculous loud noise. Do people like this? It's annoying, I'd say typical asocial behaviour. The story that it warns pedestrians proves this: yhou shoudl watch out for them, not the other way around! My bike is very silent, I really love it, but I seem one of the last bikers who love to be swift, silent, and attentive to my environment.
@joshuabuilds3051
@joshuabuilds3051 8 ай бұрын
Boy this thumbnail can be hard to look at. I dont think enough was said about drag, and wear. The lighter oil will offer less drag, way more noise, and increased wear on the clutch, when compared to a heavy grease with good anti wearing properties. I think loud hubs became a trend because of younger people entering the sport and perceiving a loud hub to be "high performance" and the louder the more money you can justify spending on it. And then you have a company as old as time like shimano, and they patented a literally silent rear hub. Because cyclists know a quiet bike is a fast bike, no rubs, no squeaks they prioritize quiet and smooth components. I mean even shimano Deore is named that because someone admired the way deer move silently and quickly through thick woods, and thought that was an appropriate name for a mtb groupset.
@tomnanD3
@tomnanD3 7 ай бұрын
Some of the people I ride with have bikes with freehubs that sound like a bagful of pissed off rattlesnake.
@pmbdk
@pmbdk 8 ай бұрын
sound = wasted power
@robertmcfadyen9156
@robertmcfadyen9156 8 ай бұрын
Is Slickoleum okay for hub pawls ?
@jameschege5360
@jameschege5360 2 ай бұрын
Hi kindly help, I need the loudest hub which is the best and where can I buy.
@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well
@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well 8 ай бұрын
Thicker grease leaves the pawls sticking so for safety purposes I use a lighter one.
@benm9469
@benm9469 8 ай бұрын
The freewheel with thick grease full, to lubricate is not recommended. It can happen that the pulleys suddenly no longer grip. Then you step forward into the void and if you're lucky, you do not fly on the face.
@christopheroliver148
@christopheroliver148 8 ай бұрын
Use a .light grease then. I put RockLube SuperWeb in my early 2000 era Campag freehubs, and the palls work well but with only a very soft clicking. I would find the sound of most of these _modern_ freehub mechs very grating.
@molak34
@molak34 8 ай бұрын
7:13 you need a ratchet EXP kit
@LukaNyan
@LukaNyan 8 ай бұрын
my wheel doesn't make much sound and I like it so silent . Idk why everyone wants a louder hub. Edit: Wow i didnt know its the grease that makes it silent, very informative thx
@KidFury27
@KidFury27 7 ай бұрын
I don't understand why guys like a noisy free hub these days. When I used to race, I always lubed my hubs to be as quiet as possible so I could silently freehub in the draft and not let the guy in front think I was getting a free ride. Otherwise, I'd get a flicky of the 'ol elbow to take my turn.
@SlingsAxes
@SlingsAxes 8 ай бұрын
Are any of those modern hubs made for rim brake wheels?
@DerFilmgucker
@DerFilmgucker 7 ай бұрын
The freehub systems do not differ between rim and disc brake wheels. These differ by manufacturer & might change over time.
Ай бұрын
Onyx Vesper, how can it be that quiet ? how nevermind they are very expensive
@Leo-gt1bx
@Leo-gt1bx 8 ай бұрын
Are those Contact Speed tyers?
@dzezydzerk
@dzezydzerk 7 ай бұрын
it would be great to get links for it.
@duathlete827
@duathlete827 8 ай бұрын
Loud freewheel hubs are absolutely annoying and unnecessary. What reason, other than attention, would you like an annoying noise while your riding.
@40mes
@40mes 7 ай бұрын
Energy is required to make noise, and this energy is coming from the rotating wheel. Hence all the hub-chatter is slowing down wheel rotation. Maybe not a lot, but some. With all the concern about saving a few Watts here and there (e.g. aerodynamic socks), I don't understand why wheels that make such noise are commonplace.
@pr0fessoro
@pr0fessoro 7 ай бұрын
thick grease better... wearing is minimized, noise too, i have make this SHIMANO SUPER-LOW MF-ZH 36-6 13-34T (megarange) in my city bike
@tobiasmuller5522
@tobiasmuller5522 3 ай бұрын
Is it the old 370 Hub on the BMC?
@willisix2554
@willisix2554 7 ай бұрын
I want to maje mine Louder
@pinoyeh
@pinoyeh Ай бұрын
ahhh, no need for me to change the internal parts just to get a louder sound. I will still stay with my stock set-up. There will be no performance benefits to my riding should I make any changes.
@justindillon2694
@justindillon2694 8 ай бұрын
That shirt is for Shimano employees only.
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