Well, it will be last for me xD

I don't. If Microsoft had stuck with that then we wouldn't have the same Windows 10 we have now, we'd have Windows 11 but it would be called Windows 10. Windows 11 would have been just another update to Windows 10 and we'd all be stuck with it.

Yea, especially since windows 11 is basically a slightly changed version of 10

​@@BGTech1 win11 interface sucks

It felt like a marketing ploy to me.

That's a tall order. Linux is hobbyware.

@@raylopez99 - Windows is leading the race to the bottom of that category.

​​@@raylopez99 Right now you're right, but that could change soon as linux is starting to get more attention now that valve has made their move with steam deck. It always starts small then builds up and gains momentum.

Linux desktop was a hobbyware. It's now a good productive-ware (unless if you're a musician, then pick apple)

@@raylopez99 - It was once, but very much isn't anymore, Linux systems have been evolving very rapidly and been gaining a lot of support from third party developers.

Win+S then type what you need.

MS is a demonic company

The only annoyance with Windows 11 was the search to web suggestion stuff which was easily disabled with a registry key. After that it seems to have made my system run a lot faster. The inability to restore the classic start menu without 3rd party programs is a bit irritating at first but to be frank, I never used the start menu to click to start a program, I only ever hit Windows and typed what I wanted, boom there it is. I dunno I may be an outlier here but windows 11 hasn't frustrated me beyond the start menu.

mspaint has layers and i heard ai pretty soon

what is it that you want that went missing? maybe i can help you out. there are lots of things you can bring back by simply editing the registry. for example, i prefer the old photo viewer to the new photos app and all i had to do was edit the registry to bring it back.

legit lol it would be rude to not watch this well edited video

Exactly now I can try to fall asleep while listening

Thank you I was about to say the same, earned them a subscription.

Then it's not dumb but malicious.

they are just gaslighting everyone including hardware manufacturers to buy and make more expensive and powerful hardware so that they can add more bloatware and background spyware that the user will never notice........

But as he said in the video, that would only work for people who were quite clear with windows. We typical user probably wouldn’t know how to do that. Will probably also be possible for somebody who had a bit of knowledge to patch. Windows tend to keep it running just like people have done with XP. But the problem still remains that the uneducated user would struggle. And that could be majority.

@BuildTheFutureYouWant and then they come back and sue you because they hate windows 11 lol

well Micorsoft caught up and made windows 11 on those machines having a permanent watermark saying PC not compatible and stops windows updates. That is very malicious of them. Especially when you can test that windows 11 is working just fine on the old PCs. Even an old i7 3770k Ivy Bridge CPU,

Right? I don't understand it either. Windows 7 was the last great OS IMHO. Heck I use it even now and its fast and doesn't do anything behind my back! I have never had to worry that randomly something will stop working because of an update.

@@jackkraken3888 I've been reluctant to move over, mainly because of familiarity and fear.

@@RussellFlowers I completely understand. Even I will likely not move over. Heck my current pc is actually quite old but I don't have the budget to move over and perhaps more importantly I don't see a single reason to move over. Not a single thing I have heard regarding windows 11 makes want to move. Running android apps is cool and all but it's just not enough and no rounded edges on my windows will not make be buy a new PC!

It is my last.

@@RussellFlowers You really don't need to be afraid of switching over to linux, it is entirely possible to install a linux distro onto an external USB drive so you can test it out and make sure it does what you want before you remove windows and install the new OS onto your system's main drive. If you want the system to feel familiar, I recommend picking a distro using KDE for the desktop environment, the layout and placement of options is very similar to windows, but it has more options to make some tasks easier.

might be different for you but for me it was only a week of mild headaches learning about the quirks of linux, it was like learning windows as a kid

I'm the guy that people I know come to when they have computer issues (usually against my will), and I have a habit of installing Linux Mint if their Windows install has gone FUBAR or their HD has crashed. Funny thing is that most of them can never even tell the difference since all they use is a web browser and a word processor. I'd only ever recommend Windows for young people who are into a lot of different online games, and then only a very debloated W11 install without a MS account.

Exactly this. The utter dominance of Windows needs to end!

I have a linux system as well as windows 10 and 11. Linux would be great if it had support for windows based games without having to download special software. I went from windows 11 to windows 10 because windows 11 is so intrusive and best thing about 10 so far for me is that ad blocker works so good I don't get any pop ups or adverts whatsoever ! :)

Apple...

That's the thing. Windows keeps getting more insulting over time, while the Linux options keep getting more convenient. I still run Win 10 on my main computer, but I've got a side machine running Mint, and it feel way less janky now than it did just a few years ago. The only things that stop me from abandoning Windows quite yet are some lingering software compatibility problems. Better still, there have been cases where hardware compatibility was way more frictionless on the Linux machine. Especially for old, semi-obscure peripherals. I remember searching quite hard for a Linux compatible PS3 controller driver, only to find that it was already plug and play. No faffing about with SCP Toolkit like I accustomed to or anything like that. I just plugged in the controller and it worked flawlessly right away. I'm feeling pretty confident that 10 is the last Windows I'll ever put up with. On my own computer anyway.

@@andyasbestos I agree with you. The first time I tried Linux Mint it was awful. (from the viewpoint of a Windows user) This latest time, the only sticking point was the need to input Terminal commands to install drivers for added hardware like a USB wi-fi adapter that I wanted to add, but Linux didn't recognize it. I also had to use the Terminal to install the Brave browser. But current Linux distributions are way better than a few years ago and if future distributions decrease the need for users to use the Terminal command line, and Microsoft continues to screw up Windows, then I think you will see a mass migration to Linux.

I use Google Docs instead of Microsoft Office now. More efficient that way and I don't need a subscription

@@IABITVpresents I'm using LibreOffice. I was using MS Office, but they cancelled my activation when I rebuilt the computer, and I didn't want to pay for another product key.

You can still buy many old Office-versions on a perpetual license for 25$ if you look the right places. I think I run Office 2019, and it's just fine with me.

But... and correct me if I am wrong... The feature that prevents us from running windows 11... isn't the feature we're missing the same feature that will make it impossible to ever run anything BUT windows in the future? I remember seeing articles about this before windows 10 was released claiming it was going to be integrated into bios support that would, after the installation of windows, prevent you from ever installing any other OS. This is why so many people were up in arms when MicroSHAFT started auto-installing windows 10 as if it was just a software update. In my opinion our "missing feature" is a highly undesirable feature and I am delighted to not have it.

Covid was a massive sales boost.

Every single new windows 11 requirement is just about security. All about security. Secure boot, TPM, new CPUs required because, security. Security, security, security.

They're pulling an Apple on people

​@@theilluminatimember8896 its worst than apple, I've used my old macbook white with modern and previous versions of osx ,with support ,for a excess of a decade

That is not a monopoly ... that is like saying Ferrari cars are a monopoly because you can not afford one.

@@ntal5859 You're kinda missing the point. In Windows 11, they have been more forcefully trying to make users use Edge as the default browser for example. In the end, it's probably going to bit them a bit. As for myself, I'm gonna switch to Linux.

​@@ntal5859except instead of a Ferrari you could get a Volvo, a Hyundai, etcetera etcetera. For the average user there are no options besides Windows.

@@Nurse_Xochitl I run Windows 11 daily on two machines, the only time I get prompted if I want to use Edge as my default are the few times I use it as a chromium backup for when websites don't want to properly support Firefox. And even then, it's not more intrusive than any other browser's "make me the default" nonsense. Windows 11 still has a ways to go, but it's certainly a lot better than what people who don't use Windows 11 think it is. It takes no time at all to clean up some of the new nonsense, and they're still making improvements with each update. I almost never need the old context menu anymore. I thought it'd be a hassle to have both, but the fact that Windows 11 has such a good integration with the new Windows Terminal means I never really need the old context menu. Also Windows 11 is finally working towards making Bluetooth headphones not suck, so that's nice.

In today's market, buying new hardware is like buying today's vehicles. A 2023/2024 Ford F series cost $85k to 100K! No, this is not a mistake in my typing!

Very true. Only problem for me is that no Linux distribution runs the software I use everyday for my work.

@@DavidHillVideo Wine (a compatibility layer allowing you to run a lot of windows applications on Linux) might do the trick for you.. depending on which software you need. it might be worth investigating if you feel you're interested enough. :)

@@ayporos all are sayin about ecology, but noone cares that 50% or more hardware will be taken out to the trash. I will maybe use zorin os (linux) . talking about people who are "ruling" this world is no annoying. I hope God will finally will give them for what they deserve to

​@lindenreaper8683 honestly, yeah. It kinda does. No imbedded ads in the os, no unreasonably high system requirements, no constant spying. All great things; I just wish there was better support for games with EAC and BattlEye

retrobar and openshell have kept my windows 10 experience almost completely untainted, minus the OneDrive icon always sitting there in the file manager. thank god I never upgraded to 11 despite meeting requirements legitimately

It's wild that a CPU released in 2018 and still sold until 2020 (e.g. the i3 7020U) would be obsolete by the year 2025. That is in the worst case 5 years of use before you are forced to upgrade if you want to keep using Windows.

I have kaby lake laptop. It runs Linux effortlessly.

There are pentium 4's that have the nessecary cpu instructions for Windows 11, and are even cabable of running it. Can't believe even CPUs from laptops that are still under warranty "can't" run Windows 11.

​@@moki5796 huh lol dont forget linux exists.

@@kornelobajdin5889 Reading comprehension is hard

They can be bypassed.

@@FlyboyHelosim : The CPU requirements can be bypassed. The BIOS security requirements cannot. And I'm running on a 2012 desktop PC whose BIOS can't be made compatible.

@@rogermwilcox How come people are installing it on machines that don't meet the hardware requirements then... both real and virtual... myself included?

cant i just stick with Win 10 after October 2025, and just make sure i have my browsers up to date, and virus protection enabled?

@@Defender78 Yes. I'm still on Windows 7, with no problems relating to security.

guys that's a bot, report it

@@darkzoyt9094 🤡

Machines at my work are on XP so you're not wrong

Exactly! I'm running Win 10 on several third generation Core i3 and i5 laptops with SSDs and they do everything I need. The SSDs made a giant difference, RAM I'm not so sure about - they all only have 4 GB and I haven't really had any problems. That alone is an amazing thing - in the heydays of Windows XP a ten-year-old PC would have been a 486 or Pentium I, maybe even a 386. Just imagine running XP and current apps on that! Shows that the development of hardware has slowed down quite a bit since the 90s and early 2000s when a computer was basically outdated the second you carried it out of the store. My work place has a bunch of hardware bought new in 2018 and as far as I know most of it doesn't meet Win 11 requirements (Lenovo Thinkpads and Think Centers). Sure, computer hardware is officially fully depreciated after five years but not being a regular business (let's say the government is indirectly involved and we're somewhat non-profit) getting a budget for new equipment is challenging to put it mildly. We'd love to switch to Linux but we run a bunch of expensive peripherals that require proprietary software, some of which is only available for Windows, some also for Mac OS.

@@dreaper5813 Eh, we're talking professional production equipment in four to mid five-digit price ranges, not some random supermarket stuff. Equipment that was purchased before I even started working at that place, decisions I had absolutely no control over but equipment we can't simply replace just because we don't like the OS that's needed to run the software.

Yup, my 70yo father still uses a Dell laptop made in 2010. It originally had W7, and I thought that it won't be able to be updated to W10 when M$ ended support for W7, but to my surprise, it was. Runs Windows 10 and is used by my dad daily to this very day. It's enough for his needs: browsing, Word documents, PDF files, paying bills and housing Bitdefender Internet Security, just in case. And now, even my much newer PC is not good enough for Windows 11. 😕

I’ve seen merchant ships running 95 in the engine control room

Apple, Google, and Amazon aren't any better though...

​@@cameronbosch1213 GNU/Linux based OSs are tho

legit lol

@@RemsHusband Of course. Heck, even Ubuntu's Amazon drama was still MILES better than the modern spyware & adware that is Windows 11!

Gamepass is very pro-consumer.

LOW IQ. Hence the interest in AI

@enrique amaya Why, does he do a kick ass Linux distro?

@@wisteela Woudl that distro be called JesOS?

@@IzzyIkigai It's actually TempleOS

They didn't shove updates, it's just you as user don't know that you can turn off the automatic restart

You can’t sign PDF documents in Linux. That has kept me from moving over there in the past since that is critical in my job.

@@philomelodia have you ever tried dualbooting?

I wish it were that easy, but what is and isn't considered obsolete hardware is totally in Microsoft's control. The fact that Windows 11 isn't compatible with a PC made 5 years ago is everyone else's problem. I don't agree with it by any means, that's why I'm switching to Linux sometime before it's too late, and that's as far as most people are able to go.

Maybe Vista would had better start if 64bit XP came sooner than in 2005 and won't be limited to Professional.

The limits are based on hardware security features, like SecureBoot, TPM2 and Meltdown protection.

@@Valery0p5 my computers both support those but those cpus arent on the list of supported cpus anyway. Its stupid. I installed win11 on over 15 year old machine and it runs fine, just a little laggy. I just skipped the hardware compatibility test lol.

@@Valery0p5 hardware security aka you don't own or have control over your computer. While legitimate threats the majority of users only experience with the relevant security is scammers trying to convince them to pay up for a hijack hoax email

@@Valery0p5 And "that security features" is demostrated to be trash garbage easy to acces that has a lot of bugs LOL

Yeah they did. That statement aged horribly.

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN'! they promised windows 10 was it. this update is artificial. we dont need windows 11. im running windows 11 right now but i dont need it. it runs like 10. i hope they change their roadmap to keep windows 10.

@@mrjkr4945 They better. Because Windows 10 is significantly better than Windows 11.

Yes they did! False advertising?

Windows 11 originally was gonna be a windows 10 update but they decided they hate sticking to their word and made it a new version entirely

Linux isn’t solution for many mainstream consumer.

​@@HarpreetSingh-xg2zmdepends on the software you need if it has Linux suport switching is no issue

​@@HarpreetSingh-xg2zmsadly yeah, average consumers are not really used to Terminal based Operating systems like linux distros.

@@user-eq5zo6fn7s No insult intended, but that's just not a true statement. Current versions of linux can be maintained without ever opening a terminal window. I have converted several (9) Windows user to linux with the promise of support and, with very few exceptions, have not had more than a few calls. To a person, they were thrilled when they discovered that the software they wanted cost them nothing!

Yes very refreshing. I liked that too.

Yeah, this is the first time I’ve seen anyone do that. It surprised me

Agreed, super cool!

And on top of that, his video clips are not all from a video stock, unlike MANY KZfaq channels. The simple but efficient video clip with the XP timeline is clearly original.

I'm totally blind and can already play this video through FooBar2000's Foo_KZfaq component. Great for videos I wanna listen to on repeat - or in a playlist.

Jesus is embarrassing.

​@enrique amaya mircosoft decided to follow jesus and spread the good word of other OS

with the amount of games that are not supported on linux: eh...

@@GEB_Rosee_PPS It keeps getting better though. Lknux Mint, Wine and Proton can play a vast majority of titles

@@GEB_Rosee_PPS ever heard about Proton

i would love to switch to linux but a few of the games i play daily aren't supported. it seems like not everyone can switch unfortunately, especially if they game a lot.

The point of a computer is to play games so I don't care at all about linux

@@AR15andGOD I literally have over 500 games on steam and 250 on gog and I have yet to find any that won't run for me, from MDK to Sekiro to Doom (GZDoom, DOSBox or Eternal), Terraria, the Bard's Tale Trilogy, everything works no problem through steam or heroic launcher. Using proton is as easy as installing drivers.

​@@lindenreaper8683then what the hell are you responding the comment , you sure like to waste times

I prefer Windows 7, everything after that is getting worse.

This is why my foray into Linux Mint, that started 5 years ago, might come in handy. On top of that I am rocking a super simple desktop environment (basically a UI), that looks like straight from early 2000s - it's called XFCE and I love it.

It really doesn't even value form, in many ways, the UI is still unfinished and, in my opinion, more ugly.

Just give me win2k with the true windows improvements and I'd be happy.

@@chaos.corner win2k is the most barebones skeleton of windows and its annoying they dont support this absolute dinosaur anymore. It has all you need and no BS, its lightweight and can run on anything. I wish they kept supporting it and updating it as a superlight version for hardcore superusers like how linux works but its clearly not what MS does.

Exactly! I'm starting a business in my area to switch computers over to Linux. It seems everyone is annoyed at the e-waste issue from the end of windows 10 support.

I've been 100% Linux for the past 5 years and dual booting since 2006. Linux has made HUGE improvements in that time. Gaming is actually viable on Linux now, thanks to Valve and Codeweavers. Only professional software suites, like Adobe and Autodesk, are neglecting Linux users. The more people switch over, the more attention Linux gets to improve the home/office user experience. It's my opinion that Windows is approaching the beginning of the end for being the dominant OS on desktops. It might be 5 to 10 years, but people are getting fed up with Windows.

Switch over to Linux, I suggest a rolling release distro and forget about "upgrading" hardware!

IoT LTSC Edition is the answer The support ends on 2032 instead

@NakaT Rolling release doesn't necessarily mean "bleeding edge", it just means there is no "versions", you don't "upgrade" from the previous version of Ubunto to the next. You get incremental upgrades. Anyways I use Arch and I don't find it less stable than debian based. If anything it performs better, you are not way behind a lot of the software etc.

I would still be using 7 if it weren't for most programs not working on it anymore

but what about 7?

I don't think that'll change anything. Windows 10 is simply lighter and better and most softwares just work in Windows 10. You can't even play Valorant in Windows 11 without the TPM. To be honest releasing 11 was the worst move they could have done.

​@@skelebro9999if you mess with the registry, it'll change back to windows 10, windows 11 is windows 10 as disguise

@@royalkumar795 lmao 😂

​@@royalkumar795how come so many games that work on win 10 don't on 11, is it just some small line of code that prevents it from running or running terrible?

​@@XX-_-XX420 is it actually many games? Im both a retro and modern gamer and i dont see any issues. I understand that Valorant requires tpm thanks to its invasive kernel level driver, but it's a unique case

Unfortunately, the money they make from forcing people to switch as early as possible far outweighs any reasonable expectations of longevity, environmental friendliness or product quality. Microsoft's CEO made $54,946,560 in total compensation in 2022. I could retire on that amount and never work again, AND have an emergency fund for serious life events like medical expenses. $42,269,560 of that money was given as stock, meaning that he has evaded a huge amount of income taxes if he keeps those stocks for a year. So, we have to deal with being robbed, while the CEO, and the other top executives can make enough money to buy mega-yachts and private islands while both ditching their tax responsibility and underpaying their employees. This is what happens when you're on a 'pay yourself what you want system'. The board of directors set the CEO's pay in a parasitic relationship so they can pull in more money for themselves. It's a lose, lose situation for consumers, and 99% of employees.

good point . There is a shit ton of used laptops with xp, 7, 8 on them that could be still surfing the web or farmed out to 3rd world countries but capitalism needs you to keep reinventing the wheel but buying the same again but it has blue lights

Windows 10 and 11 aren’t the only operating systems… modern Linux distros can be very user friendly and have been known to keep old hardware useful for longer

@@Rusty_Gold85 Those same laptops are also potential bots due to the amount of security issues their hardware contains. Old hardware is absolutely riddled with security issues. If you knew just how many infected 'bot' computers there were in the world wreaking havoc on the economy through ransomware attacks then you would not be questioning why Microsoft only wants Windows 11 to be running on hardware that is protected by a TPM and a virtualisation layer. The governments of the (western) world are forcing Microsoft to do this, and I don't blame them, Russian and North Korean botnets are no longer just run by criminal organisations but are being utilised by their own hostile governments, and they could be used to cripple our infrastructure in a heartbeat. Imagine if Japan could have caused anarchy within the US banking system two weeks before Pearl Harbor? You can't go to war when your populace is rioting over missed wages and not being able to access their money.

@@lucio-ohs8828 2025: the year of linux

Yeah, but 7 didn't suck as much as 10 or 11. I distinctly remember switching to 7 and even the same kinda crap hardware gave me a decent performance boost. Win10 was starting to be spyware, win11 is.

True, I also found Windows 10 to be too bloated, so I never upgraded. Some of my machines are on Windows 7 (a perfectly good operating system), but behind NAT and firewalls. But that's Okay, for all my machines primarily run Linux, having started the transition during pre XP SP2 days, and finishing by Vista. I do remember how terrible the original pre SP2 XP was.

@Malice I had a similar issue, Give Lutris a try, it isn't perfect but it works really well for nearly every game I've tried it on.

​@@calvinbarnes1721 Meanwhile I've been testing the waters moving over to Linux (and using Lutris) and the very first game I tried wouldn't install properly using a standard GOG installer with Lutris. It took getting a custom written wrapper from the GOG forums to make it work and now Lutris won't detect it. Just my anecdote of a poor start and Steam (on the 5th game I tried using Proton) was similarly affected.

I’m still running win 7 pro. No issues or security breaches

Unfortunately, Microsoft know that they have the overwhelming upper hand - unless at least 70% of current Microsoft users are willing to dump all productivitiy software, game software, and and other software, Microsoft will be the driving force among home computers. Most computer professionals recognize that the learning curve for Linux replacements are just too high to expect that they will be any significannt threat to MS's dominance

@@michaelphillips8238 you hit the nail on the head. The end result of Microsoft having a bad version of Windows is people retreating back to older versions, security problems and all. Windows offers cohesion and a standardized experience. Linux systems vary wildly between distros. I can talk someone through fixing basic issues in Windows. I'm going to shoot the computer if I have to talk a 76 year old into diagnosing ALSA issues in the CLI in Linux because an update broke it

​@@michaelphillips8238 that won't be the case forever, linux is finally gaining some mainstream use. Linux and arm based operating systems are going to take a decent chunk of market share from Microsoft.

@@foodhatesme I just don't think the marketshare gained by Linux will be as large or have as much impact as you hope for - I hate to say it, but I have heard that exact statement made for literally the last 20+ years. Microsoft also has a huge advantage in all of the huge businesses that use the OS for the business applications that are written for it, not to mention an overarching network management system like Active Directory. While Linux has made tremendous strides in those areas, it is still a game of catch-up for the OS.

I bought a steam deck because its Linux with SteamOS.

Resistance is futile, and Linux is quite friendly these days.

Windows 7 was the best, God I miss it

Same here. It's the games for me and they have to run smooth. Otherwise I would just switch over to Linux. Linux is getting there but it's still too much for your average user to work with. Think of the average user as someone who uses Apple products. They just want to plug it in and have it work. No fuss, no hassle.

Same, now i guess i'll switch to linux permanently, no way i'm installing windows 11 to use.

True its time to invest in something usefull for once

@@RKDriver I'm a linux user. Is it harder to get games to work? Yes fuck yes fuck yes yes yes. Does it work without a real performance cap yes. Unless your killing your pc with something like Cyberpunk 2077 it will work just fine

For me it's games and Adobe, I've tried it before but having to work with virtual machines and adding a dedicated gpu for a gaming virtual machine is just too much of a hassle to switch

Exactly! I use it for work and I'm picky enough that this stuff genuinely negatively impacts my workflow. I used to use fancyzones on 10; they implemented SOME of its functionality on 11, but huge chunks of it are missing and it sucks! Also, alt+tab randomly stops working sometimes?? It's like the painted-on facade of an operating system in front of a brick wall & somehow you need fancy new hardware to run it... the cost/benefit analysis is NOT looking good.

this ^^

EXACTLY! It does not let tech nerds go crazy

I like windows 10 pro functionality but I like windows 11 UI

@@fIourine Personally I don't like the smoothines of that ui, as well as the Taskbar being centered

everyone recommends linux mint, though i've been having trouble verifying the files

I think ubuntu is one of the best user friendly Linux distro out there with every Linux app available in it.

In fairness, for Apple it was more of a branding decision (owning the X) and the point updates were often bigger than full version updates are now, for better or worse.

@@chevon5707 Of course it’s a branding decision. It’s just as much a branding decision for Microsoft

It's because M$, even with their dominance in the desktop os market, shit their pants when Apple does something, because they know that Windows is dog shit.

It's difficult to sell a new version of software when the version number stays the same

@@Noksus Tell that to Apple

i mean they let their hardware run on newer software but also planned obsolesence soo

There isn't even an alternative version you could install for older hardware. Like a Windows Lite that keeps getting updates, but doesn't look as fancy as the "glassy" and "fluid" Windows 11. There doesn't seem like there's any other option than using Linux, which works great for me, but may not be for everyone.

@@fabiandrinksmilk6205 i have never used Linux yet, but from what i hear, it is very quickly becoming more and more simple with GUIs for everything instead of so much terminal use, as well as support and compatibility improvements to things like "Wine" i believe it's called, as well as proton and whatever other amazing compatibility tools exist. also other things like DirectX to Vulkan which can even sometimes have even greater performance than Windows are incredible. a future of Linux seems very possible, even for "normies" as they say. i really want to switch to Linux, but i think i want to wait maybe 1 or so more years to see how much more compatibility improves with games and programs i use. so far, a vast majority of what i need to use is already supported on Linux natively, so i don't think it will be much longer before i make the switch. the only thing really stopping me is the unforeseen concern that something i might need to use won't work, but i understand and count on the fact that support grows every day and this has became less of an issue over the years

They don't care about the environmental impact, they care about the possibility of making more money.

Running an OS successfully does not equate to optimally. Sooner or later, one will encounter compatibility issues with things such as if a TMP 2.0 only feature is requested and a TMP 1.2 cannot produce the neccesary results.... well.

don’t use so called “windows distros”, you don’t know what security or privacy issues it may introduce

@@fiftybytes I think he meant releases

@@roccociccone597 I'm a firm believer in WHAT A PERSON SAYS IS WHAT THEY MEAN so until he says RELEASES, he means DISTRO'S it's not our job to correct him it's his responsibility to know what he's saying

@@martinkuliza true but unfortunately most people aren’t very concise with their language. Still those hacked isos are worse than stock windows.

@@roccociccone597 This is true and i agree however, i learned a long time ago not to hold myself responsible for others i tried it once, it was a nightmate, it becomes a holding someone's hand contest and if i'm not "Understanding Enough" then i become the bad guy NO... fuck that Everyone , no matter how lazy or careless has an inherent responsibility for their own words and actions, if they fuck up.... that's their fault, not ours so if he says DISTRO's then i'm running with that because the flip side of the coin is he could put up an argument that that's what he meant and we assumed otherwise and ... he'd be right in that defense Assuming is not good Take him on his word is usually the best way to go

They aren't doing the thinking, blackrock is.

thats due to hiring staff that are developers without thinking of a moving train . They are thinking of the railway stations

Microsoft are about regular software rental income and nothing else. Fixing bugs, delivering the software that people want, writing anything that is remotely efficient... none of that matters to Microsoft. For example, firing almost their entire QA team... we are now the front of Microsoft's horrors, more and more bugs are coming through every month, and Microsoft stance is that they don't care and should you get a bug even acknowledged, some lame excuse that it's not Microsoft's problem (e.g. "too many tracked changes in a document") and the issue is closed.

and who's going to pay for the setup I'd need to run windows 11? I was planning on getting an USED gpu this year because I can't afford anything in this socialist S-hole.

@@Amygondor Can you afford a weapon and the will to make a change? Complete the mission.

Its linux mint time

Report @lindedreaper8683 for harassment. I've been getting harassed by this loser in my own comment threads for 2 days now.

So much for Microsoft's green credentials.. making us through away a good computer & buy another....... that they want us to use........ sounds so APPLE!

​@@punchcake4832Dual boot at best. Lets not get too excited. Loads of industy software aint on linux, aint gonna be on linux, and VMs aint always the answer.

Apple computers work for decades. You obviously never used any Apple products. They are known for their long support.@@georgeemanson

I have been wondering if they won’t back down as well

Idk W11 is a lot closer to W10 than XP and Vista no? I don't have any experience about XP and Vista, but I assume there's more innovation between older OSs compared to Windows 10 and 11. I personally find the difference between the two relatively disappointing. Microsoft also made it really easy to upgrade to W11 too, so I could see windows 11 being easily adapted as long as the people operating the computers are semi competent.

I haven't met a single person who uses windows 11 as their main os lamo

@@Lanurus Its not the issue, to install a new os you need to start over, which means you will have to reinstall every single program, and it can be very tricky to set it up. You might even lose data, which can be catastrophic. I know servers that still run on xp due to complexity of the transfer.

@@randomdude8202 Upgrading to Windows 11 doesn't delete anything unless you explicitly select fresh install when it asks. That's what I meant by Microsoft having made it really easy to update.

The developers at Microsoft live in a bubble... in more than one way.

We already have the Windows 9.x family so no need for Windows 9

I do hope there isn't still a crisis by 2025 though, or we're really fucked.

95 and 98 are the reason they skipped 9, from what I heard. Apparently there would've been some coding issues causing conflicts between 9 and 95/98.

It's 2023, time to upgrade your PC you built in 2010. I could roll back to my old PC and except for the Motherboard I'd be over the "high end hardware requirements".

But most software and even hardware its not compatible with it so its not reliable for heavy working enviorement where you cant assume what software/ hardware every client will or have to use. I work as IT and honestly i cant risk having random softwares some client urgently needs not being compatible and virtual machines its just not an option. Also most users barely knows how to use a web browser and linux its still at its core an advance SO mostly for programers... to do anything you need to have some computer knowledge thing that a lot of people dont want to learn. Like it or not as bloated as windows its still the most reliable SO for general use right now. If Linux can find a way to make any windows exe works as if it where in windows without having to code anything or set like 10 stuff and pray it wont fail then yes i can look at it as an option. But for now i cant risk freeze a clients work bc some random linux pc completly crashed bc some windows software was barely compatible. Ps: ofc im just sharing my personal opinion and experience its not true for everyone.

@lindenreaper8683 look man i been working as IT for 20 years and currently still do so and im talking by experience not by personal vendettas against an SO so chill out. If you want to call it BS or mock me feel free to do but i cant take seriously someone who clearly havent seen what i seen or experience having to run midnight throug the years because some smartass try installing linux on a vital workstation and now cant install any both commercial and custom software the company use and needs next morning. Dont get me wrong i use linux but for very specific reasons all SO have both advantages and disadvantages. Bottom line is if youre a true professional you adapt and learn how to solve all SO issues thats our job not just whine or demonize an SO just because its not exacly as we feel confortable at go. I personally dont like mac SO but that wont make me go around trash talking about it its just an SO. Same as you can make Linux work if you take your time learning it you can turn off all windows ads and bloat and leave it being really light weight IF you take your time learning how to do so. OR just spend at worst $40 dollars and add freaking 16gb of memory assuming it has ssd already and that's for most companies is x10 better value than the time spend battling the software to save some mb of ram. Ps: If you disagree feel free to do so it wont change reality in my career or yours just be polite this is not personal just work.

I pretty much ignored windows 8 because of unfamilarity

@@dizzyheads I tried to. Didn't work because I had to get a new laptop on a budget and they only had them with Win8, but while I had it and 8.1 I stayed as far away from the new "features" as possible. I was very happy when Win10 largely went back to form, just keeping toned-down elements of 8 and 8.1 as strictly optional alternate methods. As they always should have been.

For those of you who don't like the Metro UI on 8/8.1/10, there is a replacement called 'Classic Shell', that gives your three options of previous Windows 'Start' menus; 2000; XP, or 7. You can also change the style of the 'Start' button. Windows 10 with the W2K Start menu is what I'm currently using on my laptop, so I don't get it confused with my Windows 7 PC. Please Note. Classic Shell has recently been taken over and developed by Open Shell, which is equally as good.

Hopefully by October 2025, when Windows ends support for 10, I'll switch over to Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Windows 11 is janky from what I have heard, and removes some legacy software (not that I use legacy software that much, but it would be nice to know that I have them).

I think its more about forcing people onto an operating system that records and transmits all keystrokes back to microsoft. Older versions didnt have that, or had easy ways to turn it off or block it. That wont be possible going forward.

I'm moving to Linux bc of this... so it was a successful ad for MSFT.

this is why regulation is fucking stupid and doesn't actually help consumers. Regulation denies companies the rope to hang themselves. Microsoft is fucking over consumers and putting them in a situation where the preferable choice is to just leave microsoft and do business elsewhere. (linux) That's what happens time and time again, except, wait, no it isn't, because most of the time jackasses try to regulate companies to get them to stop doing shit that's bad for consumers (cough cough EU cough cough lightning cough cough Rossman cough cough RtR) which realistically only ensures that consumers stay placid and keep buying from companies that actively want to fuck them over. It's an adversarial system, where people are trying to stop one side from being adversarial. It's like if people stepped in and FORCED wolves to not over-breed in times of food surplus, thereby ensuring both deer and wolf populations continue to rise since you never let the wolves overpopulate and cull the deer population. Sure you saved the lives of some deer and wolves, but long term you've ruined the ecosystem that they inhabit and both will likely suffer greatly in the long run once this arrangement stops being feasible. Death is a part of life, and imbalance is what trends systems back towards balance, if you never let the wolves over populate you ensure the deer stay overpopulated. All the same if you never let companies fuck over consumers you ensure consumers stay placid and keep doing business with companies that are actively fucking them over in every way you HAVEN'T gotten around to legislating yet which, realistically, is MOST ways.

@@lukereiner Linux isn't for me cuz I'm a gamer

​@@NatetheNintendofan 85% of games run silver or above under proton, which basically means they run as well as (or often better) than on windows. That goes up to 89% if you include bronze games which often do work but just run noticably worse or have other issues. (oh and of those games which are bronze, some of them are just buggy on both platforms, so reports on protondb say the game is buggy, and it gets ranked low despite being just as good on linux as windows) Apex legends as an example runs obscenely better on proton for me. I have to sit at mid to high settings on windows to get smooth ish performance. On linux I crank every setting to max and still get absolute butter flowing out of my CPU.

@@NatetheNintendofan Sad but true. It is the reason I use it. If businesses start training people to use open-source software their monopoly would come to a halt and software companies would have to start adding code to open-source projects to stay in business.

What creeped me out was their never ending changes.

Make sure to check forums for any problems you might have. Linux is. . Not ready for a lot of consumers

​@@sakesaurus tell me you haven't used linux without telling me you haven't used linux.

@@robonator2945 no well, I mean if you only do basic stuff, it's easy, but if you do anything like set up IME, or try to run a VM there's a lot of technical stuff you need to dig into. In windowsa lot of this is installed by default.

@@robonator2945 look. It took me about a month of occasional multiple hour sessions to set up chinese input in Arch. In windows it took me seconds.

Linux is the same, no? Broke as shit drivers and lack of support for a bunch of hardware means you are basically required to get AMD + Mesa drivers and specific brands of DVD drives and wifi, if you want the system to work well.

Psssst. Atlas os....

@@tenshiinen That hasn't been the case for me so far. I've only installed it on 2 laptops so far, but also what I've heard is that linux is supported fairly well now-a-days. I've been using Ubuntu for over a year and for the most part I've only had fairly minor annoyances that just come from not having experience with it.

The same was said about past migrations. Something not discussed is when were machines not capable of Win11 discontinued? A quick search says 2017. So, those machines would be 7 years old by then. That's not a bad run. I don't think that's going to bother businesses too much. And I suspect many individuals have moved to tablets anyway.

@@russellhltn1396 and every time I'm willing to bet that Linux had a decent increase in users at that point. People over time have gotten better with computers while Windows has gotten worse and Linux has gotten better. If they don't make changes to improve windows 11 or then 12, then the people who want windows for its convenience/ease of use will end up going to Mac, and many of those that want it for pretty much anything else will go to Linux.

yes, exactly. it will take 5 years for it to catchup to windows 10 and some apps wont ever be compatible.

its an artificial limiter put inplace by MS. 11 actually runs better on lower end handwear than 10 when you force it. it has a better scheduler and better memory management. but it has other problems....

​@FlyingMonkies325🤡 ! I don't want or need AI on my pc thanks !!!! I'm perfectly capable of doing stuff on my pc without it !!!!! Fxxk Microsoft !!!!!!

Linux even more compatible

Sorry bud, not wanting Hal 9000 on my home PC.

Storage has become prohibitively expensive on most platforms. Apple cloud service for example had a 25% price hike this year. A hike I wasn't prepared to pay and just deleted the data. The learning was, don't trust cloud services. They are only there to get you over a barrel and fork you for ever more.

Hello This may seem retro, the problem with the cloud is a constant connection to a poorly secured internet! Regards

Cloud data could be wiped though if you don't pay every single month! A very dangerous path to walk. You could never restore what you had at the mercy of microrip off!

In the end it is all about the money

Not too surprising as apple does the same thing with iCloud

The thing is, it was shaky, when Windows 10 came out too. Simple, small update could cause BSOD loops. Don´t worry, your PC will get updated. On its own, as MS will once again push the "free" update onto us, as they did, when Windows 7 was still dominant. Many people went to sleep, left ther computers on, only to wake up and find Windows 10 on their machines...

@@Morpheus-pt3wq it was shaky, but it's been a bit over a year since windows 11 was released and people were still having issues towards the beginning of this year so it's hard to sit there and be like "they totally can't fuck it up again." it's also just ugly to look at in my opinion lmao

I tried Windows 11 and had to back it off because Rocksmith runs "jittery" on it. I tried several versions and none of them ran it smoothly enough that I could endure playing it. Tried every tweak I could find, no joy. Back off to Windows 10 and everything is smooth again.

@@CallowG yeah. i heard so many people had issues like this which is why i've just never updated.

I had to listen to some fucko at work suck windows 11's dick. ITS SO MUCH SMOOTHER ITS BETTER MY FRIEND IS A CODER AND WE LOOKED AT THE SOURCE CODE AND ITS MUCH BETTER _the source code, eh? speak into the mic please_ the fact that people like *that* exist are the main reason that microsoft can pull shit like _this_

i remember the one time i had windows update mess up my boot times, which made me stay up until 5AM. may 2021, winver 20H2.

Yeah, that's why I reverted to Windows 7 Ultimate.

The ghost spectre version of windows 11 allows you to pause updates indefinitely

I, for one, got fed up enough with that 'feature' of Windows 10 that I built my own home Domain Controller, just so I could fix that major issue.

This right here is why I refuse to run Windows as my main. Can’t even put into words how moronic it is to have no control over updates. I am riding it out on Mac until Linux takes over.

i survive with 138k on 4G multiple users in city area, enough to load youtube anyway

I could understand for the old PSTN connectivity which was both slow and limited in time but isn't broadband available 24/7 ? One can just let the machine run in background and forget it until any update is complete. I do it on games weighting like 80GB. Windows update are far smaller than that.

@@EminoMeneko The machines he's talking about are so out of date, they probably slow down to crawl when you update. For the most part you're right though. Those users don't understand how computers work and are too lazy to learn.

@@chronometer9931 Weirdly enough, I have an old laptop that was originally made for Windows 7. I upgraded it to 10 and it never ran smoother. It runs 10 better than it ever did 7, faster boot times, more responsive, etc.

@@EminoMeneko another problem when download speed hit less then 200KBit sec. is that the sender (like Microsoft) thinks the client timed out because the Are you still there ping after a time just don't send correctly and the whole things times out. I had when I was sitting on 100Kbit internet back in early 2000 had download from FileFront or what that site was called fail overnight. (I could use Filefrontds downloading tool that split a 1Gbit zip file into 1000. 1Mbit zip file and when it failed somewhere midway I could just restart the download at that point and not have to restart because the 0.5Gbit Zip file was useless.

yeah u litteraly have to replace millions of clients in schools offices and other buildings becouse Upgrading is way more expensive and takes way to long if you have to do it on all the systems at once

yeah iam feeling the same its as if microsoft forgot about the users who are using low end pcs

and i hate that force update which makes pc slower when not updated

I've also noticed dlls going missing with each new iteration, which some of my older software and PC games need in order to run properly.

@@logan_wolf Most of those are still available as "redistributables." It's stuff like language runtimes that have been superceded but the old versions are still out there. I have a directory of like 15 such things various program of mine need installed on a fresh Windows.

That's part of the reason why consoles are so popular for gaming. A much leaner OS that doesn't try to preload every possible thing so it can make the most of the hardware available. I've got a friend that uses a PS5 and XB series X for gaming, KZfaq and streaming services and a tablet for email and web stuff. PC's are too much of a pain in the ass for him.

Yes. And for instance my secondary system, which I use to watch videos like a TV and a bit of Twitter etc is a low spec system from 10 years ago (it was my late father's). It was Windows 8 (yuck!), it now runs Windows 10. There is absolutely no economic justification to me, nor environmental justification come to that, for throwing it away. It does not need an OS that does any more than Win 10 does, nor in fact any more than Win 7 or 8 did.

Are you telling me that Bitcoin miners and foreign interference aren't also driving the change?

@@jamesrsmith8558 "Foreign interference"?

@FlyingMonkies325 That is nothing new. Every windows up until XP was just an update of the previous one. Even if the internet wasn't there, that is just the most efficient way to create a new iteration of an OS. Still, until somebody goes and develops an AI-driven OS that creates itself according to the needs of its user, there just is very little left to innovate. The main difference between Win XP and Win 11 is that Windows has kept wrestling control over their machines away from users. A more important factor, imho, is that innovation is annoying to users. People like to continue doing stuff the way they are used to, so changing stuff up is a tough sell unless the benefits are obvious and huge. And with Windows updates, they just aren't. To be fair, Windows is not the only system that keeps changing stuff without asking its users first. Browser updates are a horrifying mess because you never know when a plugin that's essential to your workflow just stops working with your browser without any warning.

@@thomasrdiehl I'm just sick of Microsoft dicking around with the UI and removing user choice. The Windows 11 one is horrible, almost as bad as 8. Nobody asked for it. It's change for change's sake. Why won't they let me have my taskbar at the side? Why reduce program launch options? Why do they keep doing this?

For people that want to play games or need to work with it Linux is not an Option. I love Linux but people are not realistic. For 95% of people its not possible to switch.

​@@Blackbirdone11 The gaming side of Linux has gotten a lot better over the years especially with Proton and the Steam Deck even a lot of games with Anti Cheat work now. The production side of things depends a bit on what work is required, have seen people using LibreOffice for professional work for years. Most of the time people are just so focused on the things they know that alternatives are out of the question, basically if it doesn't work exactly like windows it's not worth it for people that only ever used windows. That said a large issue is that a large portion of Windows users probably wouldn't even be able to reinstall Windows let alone a different OS. Even systems would work and just need to enable fTPM and Secure Boot would require some changes that many people probably will never do so because they don't know how. So a ton of people will likely stick with Windows 10 until the things they need don't work anymore.

@@Blackbirdone11 This only applies to multiplayer games. Single player games work 99,9% on Steam. I even have Mod Organizer 2 and Vortex Mod Manager up and running with 100's of mods for several games. And I had NO experience with Linux before making the switch a few weeks ago.

omg there's ways around compatibility issues on win11 there's no need to use Linux

@@randomguy15865 it's not a good idea to run unsupported software and there are other reasons to switch.

Linux fucking sucks​@lindenreaper8683

Windows has become a FREE from 10, everyone has become THE PRODUCT that provides income for MS, so to speak. If that is not clear by now, they have clearly been sleeping under a giant sequoia!!

It may be acceptable to release beta versions for users to try out and help Microsoft test; but, as you brought out, they shouldn't be releasing unpolished versions as alpha versions that are actually beta versions they're forcing us to test.

Electronic waste? You act like Linux doesn’t exist 😂. Oh wait do you even know Linux?

@@PHIL-SPENCER-HATES-XBOXCONSOLE People who aren't computer nerds and businesses won't switch to Linux, only gamers and computer nerds will.

@@PHIL-SPENCER-HATES-XBOXCONSOLE I'm not talking just about personal computers but businesses as well... Civil services etc Edit: I'm fully aware of the existence of Linux and its various distros... Had the pleasure of using Ubuntu from, I think around 8.10 and installing MintOS from CLI was a fun experiment.

@@Dexter037S4 this is so ignorant lol. Once you learn how to install/uninstall apps and learn a little bit of the terminology like “packages”, “respiratory”, “Sudo” and etc….you’ll realize how worthless windows is and how you don’t need windows 😂. You can literally use windows apps on Linux too. Stop being scared. You don’t gotta be a nerd to use Linux. Linux is not just command line 24/7 😂. You can use both GUI or command line to get stuff done in linux. You also don’t need an account to install apps either! You can even use Microsoft edge on Linux….soooo the Linux machine can be anyone’s daily machine. It’s currently mines. It’s gonna be yours soon when you stop being scared of Linux.

@@Silverj2k7 if companies (everyone on the world) will stop simping for windows and just embrace/help Linux become the go to…..than the business wouldn’t need to rely on unpredictable Microsoft. Also companies would have far more of a secure computer ecosystem using Linux. They can make it whatever they want unlike windows.

I seen XP 3 days ago in a shop They know they love windows 10 when XP is their own OS

@D Reaper I will be putting Linux on two laptops and a mini tower. Win 11 hardware requirements are pushing non geeks to Apple. Look what happened to their zune.

​@D Reaper producing e-wasn't just because you won't install Linux mint should be a crime

Your device will not magically explode once it reaches EoL. It will boot and work just fine. And as long as you do not use the machine to download shady torrents or websites, you have nothing to fear.

You can keep going with Windows 10, possibly to the end of the hardware’s lifetime. It won’t self destruct, unless Microsoft decides to truly become a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Linux is an option worth considering. There’s several distributions that are quite friendly to windows users.

Welp, I came up with a "contingency plan" for the "Windows 10 end of life scenario": I'll permanently offline my Windows computers (no forced updates, no glitches, no viruses), and as for an online daily driver - Linux, here I come. Luckily, there are already some distros out there that one can use with great comfort and ease. P.S. For those of us hooked to Adobe software, these are the options: 1) Run older versions of software on offline PCs: I can still do pretty much all I want for my hobby projects on CS3; 2) For Adobe Cloud stuff... well, there's always MacOS. Overall, way to go for Microsoft to dunk on their own popularity.

Now just mount your windows drive and use it has the base for WINE and you should be pretty good to go with being able to mix between DLL's when you're running windows apps under linux. Most apps work pretty good, if not faster and better.

Windows 7 is still the best windows.

Well, In my country there are still ATMs that run on windows xp.

That's because Windows 7 was the best OS, ever. I grind my teeth daily as I use my Windows 10 laptop, as I'm constantly reminded how inferior this product is. Needless to say, I'm not looking forward to 11, but I guess I'll have no choice, if I buy another computer.

@@jozkomrkvicka388 same here. one time i went to a store with my family and i saw the fucking windows xp taskbar on the cashier computer

yeah my dad recently. like yesterday called me in a panic saying : they wanna delete my system. i saw this windows 11 forced thing. why are they doing this to me. and im fucking FUMING over microdick. for forcing bullshit on users every few months...

I'm pretty sure they want to go down the office route. They used to sell ms office for a fixed price/license codes, but they realized why get paid once, when you can keep getting paid. Now if u want ms office, you have to buy 360 EVERY MONTH. they are going to make windows 12 same way. Pay every month or it won't work

it has everything to do with controlling and harvesting every single byte of "user" data, and the rights management that goes with it.

​@@mrcalzon02 agreed, this will be great for users who value privacy, we will all simply migrate to Linux & force the industry to value Linux & code applications and games natively for linux

I am guessing the American government is gonna love all that acess to your files and stuff.

@@warenthegamer815I’ve been waiting for that since I attended my first LUG meeting!

Yes I liked that too. First time I encountered that. I like to listen to voices while I look at other things like my painting hobby.

I totally agree, but honestly other than videos featuring subtitled foreign language I have not encountered many that use video content as a particularly necessary accompaniment. I guess videos that pop up quotes from people without narrating them or otherwise show screenshots of text