Chaos all across U.S. after FAA System Outage | Thousands of Flights Canceled

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@VASAviation
@VASAviation Жыл бұрын
Have you heard any more interesting exchanges? You can send them over to my email for a possible Part 2 video.
@reedermh
@reedermh Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear some from other airports not on the East Coast. DFW (near me), ATL, O'Hare, etc.
@filopian9366
@filopian9366 Жыл бұрын
0:42 0:43
@Chooseyourownhandle
@Chooseyourownhandle Жыл бұрын
West coast airports too
@jaredf6205
@jaredf6205 Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear what the pilots announced to their passengers on commercial flights.
@EinherjarLucian
@EinherjarLucian Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't aircraft have already had NOTAM data before pushing back from the gate? They still could have released aircraft already taxiing, right?
@76mmGMC
@76mmGMC Жыл бұрын
They should have put a NOTAM out about the system failure
@midknight1978
@midknight1978 Жыл бұрын
Ironically The NOTAM system was down. We just came back from NY to our home base and the terminal was in chaos. International flights wasnt that affected as far as i know but domestic is on other level.
@waynemayo1661
@waynemayo1661 Жыл бұрын
Using the NOTAM system that was down? ;-))
@jackson3190
@jackson3190 Жыл бұрын
@Wayne Mayo @MidKnight it was a joke
@hades_monsta
@hades_monsta Жыл бұрын
@@midknight1978 r/woooosh
@76mmGMC
@76mmGMC Жыл бұрын
stop replying to this comment
@macmedic892
@macmedic892 Жыл бұрын
“Nobody reads those.” The Terms and Conditions of the aviation industry.
@LadyTarasque
@LadyTarasque Жыл бұрын
i was gonna say.. lol
@FlyingMaxFr
@FlyingMaxFr Жыл бұрын
With slightly bigger consequences...
@ricardokowalski1579
@ricardokowalski1579 Жыл бұрын
"accept all cookies" = "relevant NOTAM"
@bart99gt
@bart99gt Жыл бұрын
Same response you get when you ask pilots if they call FSS when we broadcast that there are sigmets available.
@ShuRugal
@ShuRugal Жыл бұрын
@@bart99gt do you really want me to stop listening to you for five minutes to call FSS?
@thetman0068
@thetman0068 Жыл бұрын
“I tried my best, I’m sorry.” Most polite JFK controller.
@Aran2323
@Aran2323 Жыл бұрын
"Best rate of taxi" Just keep it below V1 and you're good! 😂
@Noledad77
@Noledad77 Жыл бұрын
Harrison Ford has entered the chat...
@LongTran-em6hc
@LongTran-em6hc Жыл бұрын
Keep it below Vrotate
@BritishAirwaysCaptin
@BritishAirwaysCaptin Жыл бұрын
Max taxi speed is 30kts at Alaska. We’re not southwest
@nmpls
@nmpls Жыл бұрын
WN: Sounds slow.
@noshurviverse8388
@noshurviverse8388 Жыл бұрын
As long as you don't leave ground effect you have plausible deniability
@speed150mph
@speed150mph Жыл бұрын
I love that Newark controller trying to help out the Alaska flight. “Hey, we’re getting word there’s a nationwide shutdown. You cleared for max taxi speed to get off the ground before I get specific orders to stop you. 😂”
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826
@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 Жыл бұрын
'Psst, hey, ya best yeet yoself on outta here 'fore the boss makes me stop ya.' lol, what a g
@garrettpreszler7857
@garrettpreszler7857 Жыл бұрын
That's the controller I want. What a dawg
@digital11337
@digital11337 Жыл бұрын
like a shady deal about to happen (:
@collinp56
@collinp56 Жыл бұрын
I love my state lol
@rynovoski
@rynovoski Жыл бұрын
And that other Alaska got stuck at Kennedy. Almost made it out too.
@TheTiktok4321
@TheTiktok4321 Жыл бұрын
That last statement: "Nobody reads NOTAMs". Gold.
@jonathanmoreno1945
@jonathanmoreno1945 Жыл бұрын
*FAA has entered the chat*
@ccubsfan94
@ccubsfan94 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathanmoreno1945 If the FAA would realize that no one gives a shit about a tower light or how tall grass is, they would read them. 98% of NOTAMs don't actually pertain to flight, the 2% is buried in nonesense
@krozareq
@krozareq Жыл бұрын
Pilots do read NOTAMs. (During check rides 😂)
@StrokeMahEgo
@StrokeMahEgo Жыл бұрын
Well of course, how could they? The system was broken lol
@jort93z
@jort93z 4 ай бұрын
To be fair, some notams are really pointless. Sometimes a notam will say something like "There is a 30 foot crane 2NM from the airport".
@nocoaviation8353
@nocoaviation8353 Жыл бұрын
Love jetblues comment at Newark 😂😂 “No one reads notams”
@macmedic892
@macmedic892 Жыл бұрын
The Terms and Conditions of the aviation industry.
@skiwildcat7
@skiwildcat7 Жыл бұрын
Sky police are tracking down that pilot right now. Oh wait they can’t, their systems down
@macmedic892
@macmedic892 Жыл бұрын
@@skiwildcat7 They're broadcasting in the blind to everyone. "if that was you, ident and be prepared to copy a number."
@tbarky123
@tbarky123 Жыл бұрын
@@macmedic892 Well he didn’t say that he doesn’t read notams, but only stating that no one does lol
@agpilot4972
@agpilot4972 Жыл бұрын
Truth! I haven't read a notam in at least 15 years. And I didn't know the wokeness cops had changed the name either.
@Yokovich_
@Yokovich_ Жыл бұрын
Poor Alaska 31. Seconds away from not being shut down for hours. Ouch...
@TheProPilot
@TheProPilot Жыл бұрын
Eh, imagine how much they made from the gate return 😂
@VictoryAviation
@VictoryAviation Жыл бұрын
@@TheProPilot Is there a bonus or something? I thought part 121 was all about the actual hours flying when it comes to pay.
@brentboswell1294
@brentboswell1294 Жыл бұрын
​@@VictoryAviationonce the doors are closed, the clock is ticking...
@YourMomSaysHi_Jinx
@YourMomSaysHi_Jinx Жыл бұрын
This is why when you call ready for takeoff and you’re cleared. Start rolling.
@blockbertus
@blockbertus Жыл бұрын
Alaska 299 as well. :/
@obfuscatethecode5696
@obfuscatethecode5696 Жыл бұрын
I could only imagine the headaches flight attendants and customer service reps had to deal with. 😮
@drforjc
@drforjc Жыл бұрын
And pax?
@obfuscatethecode5696
@obfuscatethecode5696 Жыл бұрын
@@drforjcevery major news network covered their woes
@skykaptain007
@skykaptain007 Жыл бұрын
RIP Southwest
@statinskill
@statinskill Жыл бұрын
@@drforjc Pax get diverted to the next airport where they wait two hours for taxi vouchers and then another two hours in the icy cold of night to actually get on a packed minivan with six other people. Finally another two hours later they get to the airport they were to land at. Now it is already six hours of additional time. And from there they still have to deal with getting to their final destination.
@BoHolbo
@BoHolbo Жыл бұрын
Just imagine all the airport and airline customer service employees fully anticipating the dreaded legion of Karens approaching at speed, and then actually seeing it happen. 😳 YIKES!
@BOYHUNF
@BOYHUNF Жыл бұрын
Aircraft Dispatcher here. The outage occurred sometime around 9pm EST or so Tuesday night. I had an hour left in my shift before heading home (and only 4 flights left that hadn't departed luckily). We were told to put alternate on all our flights and have the pilots confirm with tower runway was open and FICON was all good for them to land. I called all the towers they were going to just to confirm ahead of time for myself. But geez, I was so lucky it occured at the end of the day for me. I can't imagine the chaos if it started during the middle of my shift. (I also didn't work the following day, THANK GOD)
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 Жыл бұрын
As someone who used to work in an IT Service Desk environment for 19 years and been through all sorts of planned and unplanned downtimes, all I have to say is this: "You lucky devil, You!"
@N942UW
@N942UW Жыл бұрын
Dispatcher as well. I’m so happy I was off and had commuted home a few days prior. Good day to be off!
@Sorchia56
@Sorchia56 Жыл бұрын
@@jackielinde7568 I second that!
@Sorchia56
@Sorchia56 Жыл бұрын
Aha, you’ve got a direct line to God! 😂😂😂. What a nightmare for everyone!
@Nadia1989
@Nadia1989 Жыл бұрын
You lucky bastard!
@byAnArgentinian
@byAnArgentinian Жыл бұрын
"After an engineer mistakenly replaced one file with another during a routine scheduled systems maintenance, the NOTAM system stopped processing updates" Maan that's a bad day for that dude.
@reedermh
@reedermh Жыл бұрын
I work for another US Government agency within DoD (civilian). Our entire computer system was down for nearly a week. The culprit: a file update which had two quotation marks that shouldn't have been there. I shudder to think what would happen if we were actually hacked by an enemy foreign power.
@monty58
@monty58 Жыл бұрын
@@reedermh up in Canada, Rogers, an ISP and cell provider, knocked out their entire network by messing up change to their DNS settings or something. The amount of critical infrastructure that doesn't sandbox updates before commuting to them is becoming incredibly concerning.
@michaellewis6569
@michaellewis6569 Жыл бұрын
@@monty58 you hear about Facebook outage where they couldn't get into their office for an extended time so that they could fix the issue because they relied on their own system for the door security? I think it was similar to a dns issue. Something super low level that never ever should have happened anyway.
@luismallozzi
@luismallozzi Жыл бұрын
Humans make these kinds of mistakes, there is no much sense to solely blame an engineer because of poor tested old systems. Software philosophy changed a lot lately, because of those problems. All inputs must be validated, and people routinely shuts parts of the system down in a controlled manner to improve resistance to failure (see what fails and why and improves the software). The cool part of aviation is that the industry has a mindset of analyzing deeply when a problem occurs and improve all it's procedures. I am sure that they will come out stronger after this.
@sparkequinox
@sparkequinox Жыл бұрын
@@luismallozzi exactly. It's not just the last guy but every person who designed and approved something that had apparently a single point of failure. Incredible this didn't have a second backup system.
@ellisisgamer
@ellisisgamer Жыл бұрын
Southwest: *sigh of relief*
@sheldonjplanktonn
@sheldonjplanktonn Жыл бұрын
More like Spirit airlines
@thestrangeman069
@thestrangeman069 Жыл бұрын
@@sheldonjplanktonn Spirit wasn’t the one who had nation wide cancellations a couple weeks ago sooo….
@sheldonjplanktonn
@sheldonjplanktonn Жыл бұрын
@@thestrangeman069 - touche!
@Nihil0s
@Nihil0s Жыл бұрын
"sooooooo" Why?
@thestrangeman069
@thestrangeman069 Жыл бұрын
@@Nihil0s Not sure what you’re asking exactly 🤣
@Duvstep910
@Duvstep910 Жыл бұрын
Insane how a single outage can basically cripple an industry
@VTX00128
@VTX00128 Жыл бұрын
Oh this wouldn't have happened if Reagan didn't bust Air Traffic Control Union's everything would have been continued on manual an info would have been broadcast by a union member in instead of a ground stop.
@KB4QAA
@KB4QAA Жыл бұрын
DS: It wasn't a 'single outage" but two corrupted databases; Primary and backup.
@lovnJesus4life
@lovnJesus4life Жыл бұрын
There's alot more to it than an " outage".
@odst2247
@odst2247 Жыл бұрын
The industry isn’t crippled?
@georgeprout42
@georgeprout42 Жыл бұрын
With Royal Mail being hit at about the same time, russia seems to be really pissed off. Bless.
@danc3488
@danc3488 Жыл бұрын
"Alaska 299, are you guys ready to go? Like....now?" Lol that was a good one.
@ryankurtz5144
@ryankurtz5144 Жыл бұрын
I really felt that disappointment from the Alaska 31 pilot.
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 Жыл бұрын
It’s not like he didn’t have the current NOTAMs in his release packet
@rickyjanzen6684
@rickyjanzen6684 Жыл бұрын
There's a lot of palpable "Well that freaking sucks" in just about every "okay" response from all the pilots. 😂
@pilotmike1296
@pilotmike1296 Жыл бұрын
@@shawnmiller4781 exactly!
@Swordfish393
@Swordfish393 Жыл бұрын
I'd have been concerned at first because full-country ground stops can be caused by something catastrophic, (eg. 9/11 first to mind). To me, learning it was just a database outage would be simultaneously relieving and frustrating.
@betterwithrum
@betterwithrum Жыл бұрын
yeah that came through the video, tower tried
@hvcomputech
@hvcomputech Жыл бұрын
You missed the part at JFK where one says “go home and have a good one” and tower replies “I’ll be here all day”
@xav8tr974
@xav8tr974 Жыл бұрын
"Nobody reads NOTAMs". I thought that only applied to us flight simmers using OFPs generated by Simbrief. 😂😂
@FirstOfficerDelta
@FirstOfficerDelta Жыл бұрын
Same.
@iZ3C0LD7
@iZ3C0LD7 Жыл бұрын
They are playing Flight Simulator GO
@darrylr.4983
@darrylr.4983 Жыл бұрын
I was flying an A320 out of San Diego one morning. The ceiling was 400 feet which means that due to terrain to the east departing aircraft had to takeoff on 27 while arrivals had to land on 9. So that caused a bit of gridlock. Now 400 feet normally isn't an issue since an ILS approach usually goes down to 200 feet. But the NOTAMS had the normal 200 feet raised to 500 feet because of a temporary construction crane close to the airport. So everyone coming in on approach is going missed approach and diverting to their alternate. Then comes SouthWest Airlines. They break out and land. The copilot says "hey we broke out at 400 feet, no problem getting in" 😬 Among all the "yippi ki yeas" comments someone mentions the NOTAM. It got real quiet then. I would have liked to have been privy to the comments in that cockpit as they were taxiing in.
@RingingResonance
@RingingResonance Жыл бұрын
"Nobody reads those." Apparently applies to southwest. That's a major "Sheriff Buford T. Justice" oof moment.
@Bretaxy
@Bretaxy Жыл бұрын
>???
@fastfiddler1625
@fastfiddler1625 Жыл бұрын
I've had captains go through their ground chart and highlight all the closed taxiways. Others don't even mention that they exist. I tend to get lazy when it's full VMC. But I am extra careful when flying an actual instrument approach. Really should be even more careful, because you never know. Crossing restrictions can change on a STAR too. But you'd think with the vast majority of people using electronic charts (at least in 121), we could find a way to push changes to those. It's so half baked to have published charts and then have to look at 64 inches of parchment about lighted barricades and unlit towers see if they changed something.
@ricardokowalski1579
@ricardokowalski1579 Жыл бұрын
You can send them NOTAMs.. but you can't make them notice the NOTAMs...😁
@p51mustangflyer3
@p51mustangflyer3 Жыл бұрын
That's Southwest for you lmfaoo
@dre-aguto
@dre-aguto Жыл бұрын
“Alaska 299 switching call signs to Navy AB201…”
@joshw1687
@joshw1687 8 ай бұрын
Lol
@Sorchia56
@Sorchia56 Жыл бұрын
You can hear it in the pilots voices, ‘now we have to tell the passengers!’ As they long for a shot of whiskey before making the announcement! Loved the ending.
@-Bill.
@-Bill. Жыл бұрын
Not stressful at all though, it's literally every plane in the country, not a maintenance issue they could blame on the airline and then by extension the pilots. Nothing to really get angry about, you can't fight the FAA.
@user-vp9lc9up6v
@user-vp9lc9up6v Жыл бұрын
@@-Bill. if only everyone else had reason
@captainalieth
@captainalieth Жыл бұрын
@@-Bill. unfortunately most passengers don't understand this and blame everything on the pilots or airline
@Sorchia56
@Sorchia56 Жыл бұрын
@@-Bill. True but far too many passengers think the world revolves around them and that’s a nightmare for the flight attendants and others on board. Shame civility has been tossed in the rubbish bin.
@bobthecannibal1
@bobthecannibal1 Жыл бұрын
Not a big deal, you just throw the government under the bus: "we can't leave because the federal government can't be bothered to give us the safety warnings about here, our flight corridor, and our destination. We like to keep our number of takeoffs equal to the number of our landings, and for that reason we aren't going anywhere until we know nobody put up a tower crane in our way for our landing."
@tringalij
@tringalij Жыл бұрын
Years ago I was flying to somewhere like Germany with another instructor. I said “Hey, did you get the NOTAMS?” He was like “Yep, I got the NOTAMS.” “Was anything useful in there?” “I said I got the NOTAMS I didn’t say I read the NOTAMS.” 😂
@joshw1687
@joshw1687 Ай бұрын
Hahahaha
@hannonik
@hannonik Жыл бұрын
The "Yikes" at 8:03 .. felt that
@Notimp0rtant523
@Notimp0rtant523 Жыл бұрын
IAD Ground is who I want in an emergency. That man is chill as hell
@aeternusdoleo4531
@aeternusdoleo4531 Жыл бұрын
Wonder how many people had 9/11 flashbacks on hearing there's a nationwide stop...
@johnhutto71
@johnhutto71 Жыл бұрын
My wife was traveling yesterday. I nearly threw up when I saw there was a nationwide stop until I saw the reason. It's been over 21 years but still feels like yesterday.
@simonkompe2164
@simonkompe2164 Жыл бұрын
Well the Americans did it last time no reason they can not do it again #InsideJob.
@daniell9087
@daniell9087 Жыл бұрын
Luckily, the news about the FNS outage was out way before the ground stop. Command Center was literally saying no ground stop for an hour before they stopped everyone. 🤷‍♂️
@user2C47
@user2C47 Жыл бұрын
@@simonkompe2164 Who is responsible for the attack is irrelevant and out of scope. What we are discussing is its effect on the aviation industry.
@MarkJoseph81
@MarkJoseph81 Жыл бұрын
@Simon Kompe Those weren't true Americans. They were/are traitors.
@rudiklein
@rudiklein Жыл бұрын
Half an hour befor at the Command Center:"There's a pending Windows XP update on the Notam server. Shall I launch it? Yeah, sure, what can go wrong."
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 Жыл бұрын
😅
@johnopalko5223
@johnopalko5223 Жыл бұрын
I doubt they run an OS as modern as Windows XP. I think the upgrade to XP is part of NextGen.
@vixen4327
@vixen4327 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@gorak9000
@gorak9000 Жыл бұрын
There have been a number of "system-wide" outages of government / public systems (FAA in the US, healthcare related systems in Canada, and Royal Mail in the UK) in multiple countries (US, Canada, UK for sure) in the last few days. It smells of coverups of cyber attacks that governments don't want to admit what the real causes were...
@michaellewis6569
@michaellewis6569 Жыл бұрын
@@johnopalko5223 so long as they skip millennium edition, it should be fine.
@Leftyloveshuskies
@Leftyloveshuskies Жыл бұрын
It took me an extra 5 hours to get home yesterday. I have 5 emails all with different takeoff times, ~1 hour later than the prior email. At the end of the flight, I overheard some of the crew talking about how they were originally 7 hours behind and ended up finishing the day only 5 hours behind. They all looked tired.
@lautoka63
@lautoka63 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many exceeded their allowable duty times.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 Жыл бұрын
I can imagine that.
@boijone8440
@boijone8440 Жыл бұрын
@@lautoka63 whole lotta pumkins on the taxiway, RIP
@xXBL4KAl3YSSXx
@xXBL4KAl3YSSXx Жыл бұрын
@@lautoka63 Definitely none. Absolutely not, nobody would do that. Nope, not here
@_lime.
@_lime. Жыл бұрын
@@lautoka63 Purely guessing, but I would be willing to bet it only counts as duty time if they're airborne. I can totally see airlines putting in provisions like that to account for delays.
@atomic32205489
@atomic32205489 Жыл бұрын
40 year gate agent here and I am SO glad I didn't follow my instructions to board. We left 3.5 hours later. Experience always wins.
@bd5289
@bd5289 Жыл бұрын
Alaska 299 - you could hear the dejection in their voices!!!
@shawnmiller4781
@shawnmiller4781 Жыл бұрын
They should be dejected since they presumably had a current Notam with their flight releases
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 Жыл бұрын
Gotta love that the guy at EWR tried to get them out. ATC is the buddy pilots have that a some pilots don't appreciate.
@karinna3w528
@karinna3w528 Жыл бұрын
I love the chill at JKF, and EWR everyone's just "welp...gonna be an interesting day!" but no tempers, no sniping, just a bit of friendly chatter and generally a lot of professionalism.
@LtRiot
@LtRiot Жыл бұрын
You gotta be shit hot to get a spot at JFK. Makes normal airspaces look like Disneyland
@UnshavenStatue
@UnshavenStatue Жыл бұрын
8:03 he says "Yikes", which is very different from "Thanks" lol
@joehoover6131
@joehoover6131 Жыл бұрын
When Alaska 31 said “okaaaay, we’re standing by” I felt that
@MSRTA_Productions
@MSRTA_Productions Жыл бұрын
"Nobody reads Notams" XD
@MA-wj7ul
@MA-wj7ul Жыл бұрын
"Nobody reads NOTAMS" the best way to end the video 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏿
@julienmarten9380
@julienmarten9380 Жыл бұрын
Gotta love the SNOWTAM system
@garridojared
@garridojared Жыл бұрын
imagine them trying to put a notam out about the failures
@kewkabe
@kewkabe Жыл бұрын
They were required to.
@lightwalker222
@lightwalker222 Жыл бұрын
@@kewkabe that's the joke... because notam was down
@garridojared
@garridojared Жыл бұрын
@@lightwalker222thank you🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 Жыл бұрын
You joke about this, but when a system is so integrated into your operational methods, it's easy to try to do just that. Many moons ago, I used to work for an IT Service Management call center (IT Service Desk). One time our call tracking and ticketing software died. I joked to a friend we should put a ticket in so Second Level techs responsible for the software would fix it. Honest to God, he turned to the shift lead and asked if he should put in a ticket to have our ticketing software fixed. Her response was a curt reminder that the software he was going to use to put in said ticket was down and he wouldn't be able to do it. It was glorious and unexpected, as I thought my friend would have caught the joke.
@jayerjavec
@jayerjavec Жыл бұрын
Good ol' telex
@Jayfive276
@Jayfive276 Жыл бұрын
First JFK TWR guy couldn’t sound more New York if he’s started his announcement with “Listen up, ya buncha mooks…”
@reedermh
@reedermh Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine if Kennedy Steve was still around and had to deal with that mess yesterday?
@smiddlehurst1
@smiddlehurst1 Жыл бұрын
@@reedermh “people paid much more than me have decided everything is broken and to stop all flights while assigning blame. As no-one can go anywhere those of you wanting to go back to the gate call me, otherwise stay off the arrival runway,park up and watch the tug races we’re organising on the departure runway. Betting is allowed but treat anything labelled ‘super’ with suspicion. Oh and don’t taunt the tugs… that’s my job!”
@spiralrose
@spiralrose Жыл бұрын
Stephan, If this were Reddit, I give you two gold medals! This is awesome
@pk7549
@pk7549 Жыл бұрын
One day I was reading notams at my alternate, and all runways were closed there. I guess dispatch missed it and planned it on the release. Read your notams people.
@BOYHUNF
@BOYHUNF Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing it must have been a new dispatcher, however thats why its equally as important for pilots to read their NOTAMs too! I've dispatched too many flights where I plan it on a shorter runway because the longer one is closed, and the captain calls me asking "Hey why'd you plan me on this runway instead of the longer one?" READ YOUR DAMN NOTAMS MY GUY
@joeg5414
@joeg5414 Жыл бұрын
Yeah not sure what the big joke is about not reading NOTAMS. People in comments acting like it's a waste of time. Maybe I'm just being sensitive because NOTAMS was part of my job in airfield management 😂
@simonsnaplick895
@simonsnaplick895 Жыл бұрын
All of the unimportant stuff is on NOTAMs, like ILS inop, Runway closed, Airport closed, Runway lights inop. You know, the trivial stuff.
@michaelhayden725
@michaelhayden725 Жыл бұрын
We had one like that in Oz 30 or 40 years ago neither the briefer nor the crew read the notam - aerodrome with only one runway, close due works in progress. Flight takes off - an hour later the flight reports to the FSS unit - on descent for airport XX. FSS officer checks with the pilots about the notam. Big loud silence - two mins!! Back comes the captain - can we have clearance to airport YY (it was a three leg flight). Not sure whose rear was hurting to most when the flight return to home port. So YES read ALL the notams.
@daniell9087
@daniell9087 Жыл бұрын
Not sure why they don’t put out an “AD AP CLOSED” NOTAM for that…. I’m looking at you, RJAA!!
@Cyberguy42
@Cyberguy42 Жыл бұрын
"Sounds like it's going to be a fun morning!" Sums it up nicely
@MrBDub
@MrBDub Жыл бұрын
Alaska 31 was so close to getting off the ground.
@DanJonesShow
@DanJonesShow Жыл бұрын
That last one was good. Tower was like all right buddy step it up down the taxiway let's get you out of here I mean he really tried 😅
@Pushingbuuttons
@Pushingbuuttons Жыл бұрын
Had me emotional :(
@PrograError
@PrograError Жыл бұрын
the buzz rang out
@americansmark
@americansmark Жыл бұрын
The poor ATC guys. They were probably more stressed having to deal with the outage than they are on their busiest day.
@Dr_Kenneth_Noisewater
@Dr_Kenneth_Noisewater Жыл бұрын
He said it! Nobody reads NOTAms the way the FAA issues them. Thankfully we have Foreflight to put the gobs of NOTAMs in their proper places and teanslate them into normal-speak
@Kaipeternicolas
@Kaipeternicolas Жыл бұрын
As a pilot who was flying outta NY yesterday - I completely agree with the Jet Blue guy at the end.
@suegillettful
@suegillettful Жыл бұрын
You did a good job of showing the chaos of yesterday January 11, 2023. I'm sure it was simular at all airports in the US.
@PrograError
@PrograError Жыл бұрын
they could have "timed" it better it's only a few day pass the Worse Day. *Le cue Qnon Conspiracy theory
@minnsminns
@minnsminns Жыл бұрын
Pretty embarrassing that this was allowed to happen in the first place, but also that the FAA failed to notice that there wasn't a single NOTAM update country-wide for FOUR HOURS before taking any action really says it all...
@martinb5589
@martinb5589 Жыл бұрын
Yes, I got caught up in that mess. Wednesday, BNA to MIA, delayed for 2 hours, missed connection MIA to POP. Spent 8 hours in the rebooking line while on the phone at the same time, kept getting disconnected. Rebooking agent tells me VERY good chance on standby for Thursday. Turns out I was 11/11 on standby, three made it on the flight. Back to rebooking, told I could be on standby for Friday or a sure thing on Saturday. Since I was coming back on Sunday, I said screw it and booked a flight back to Nashville. Was on the plane told we had fuel pump problems, after an hour, had to deplane and go to another gate for another plane. Boarded, after 15 minutes, told there was an issue with a door latch, mechanic was working on it. 30 minutes later we took off. What a DISASTER!!!
@spiralrose
@spiralrose Жыл бұрын
That sucks so bad. I’m sorry you missed whatever you were trying to travel to and had to waste all those extra hours trying to get back to Nashville. What a nightmare!
@TheFlyingZulu
@TheFlyingZulu Жыл бұрын
The important NOTAMs could have been relayed verbally to pilots... Like actual important NOTAMS like presidential TFRs, airspace closures due to heavy military life fires or space rocket launches. Nobody gives a flying flip about the 20 individual taxiway lights out or the 50 foot tower, 200 feet left of the runway that has literally been there for the past 20 years... Like the guy at 8:12 said nobody reads NOTAMs.
@ianrobertson3419
@ianrobertson3419 Жыл бұрын
Maybe the bus drivers don't read notams but any other flight requires it and it can get you killed real quick if you ignore it. Runway construction, cranes, broken approaches, no fuel available. Don't be complacent.
@jerseyshoredroneservices225
@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Жыл бұрын
Two things I never heard before... Proceed best rate of taxi and nobody NOTAMS 🤣
@ScottySwans
@ScottySwans Жыл бұрын
Delta 2191 lucky af
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 Жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed.
@jonathanmoreno1945
@jonathanmoreno1945 Жыл бұрын
shoutout to the Newark guy trying to get the Alaska out.
@benwakefield93
@benwakefield93 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this event is what this channels been waiting for 😂
@alisonreese4258
@alisonreese4258 Жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the chaos at LAX! Yikes.
@RottenAce
@RottenAce Жыл бұрын
It would just be another day at LAX, I was thinking all the chaos at ORD lol.
@TheGeorgiaRover
@TheGeorgiaRover Жыл бұрын
*ATL has entered the chat*
@reedermh
@reedermh Жыл бұрын
Or DFW. I live just north of there.
@corderoanthony2301
@corderoanthony2301 Жыл бұрын
The ground stop occurred early morning EST so airports further west of east coast were not as busy
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 Жыл бұрын
"Nobody reads NOTAMS"...😄- thank you very much for picking this up! Indeed a bad day for travelling.
@steveanderson9290
@steveanderson9290 Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure the dispatchers are the ones who plow through that blizzard of paper and distill it into a flight plan, but somebody correct me if I'm wrong. Still doesn't totally excuse it, but...
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 Жыл бұрын
@@steveanderson9290 It was obviously a hard day for dispatchers (amongst others), indeed...🙄
@xxibjrosek
@xxibjrosek Жыл бұрын
I heard about this. Never dived into it as I don't fly often. But man, this is crazy.
@MichalisG1821
@MichalisG1821 Жыл бұрын
I had a transatlantic flight that morning out of Newark at about 1am EST. I was heading home after visiting family for Christmas. Apparently we missed getting caught up in this by mere hours. We landed on the other side of the pond and the ground stop was all over the news. I don’t know if I’ve ever felt luckier.
@T_Rav27
@T_Rav27 Жыл бұрын
Someone needs to put up the flight map and watch the skies clear up.
@Wayne_Robinson
@Wayne_Robinson Жыл бұрын
The "snowtam" system is what the text says at one point. To be fair, this was chilling news to a bunch of people.
@Torbjorn.Lindgren
@Torbjorn.Lindgren Жыл бұрын
To be fair to whoever or whatever did the voice-to-text it really, REALLY sounds like they're actually saying snowtam @ 01:43. Even knowing it should be NOTAM I can't avoid hearing the s...
@jorginator123
@jorginator123 Жыл бұрын
He clearly says snowtam so it’s possible he actually thought it was the snowtam system, before he found out it was the notam system
@patrickvissepo5470
@patrickvissepo5470 Жыл бұрын
“Nobody reads NOTAMS” 😂😂😂 I bet the DPE would love to hear that 😂😂😂
@Slonge92
@Slonge92 Жыл бұрын
Definitely worth the listen! Thanks
@JoaoPedro-nw5cl
@JoaoPedro-nw5cl Жыл бұрын
Love the videos man!! Cant count how many hours I’ve spent on your channel. I believe 0:40 is all aircraft in the NAS (national airspace system)
@VASAviation
@VASAviation Жыл бұрын
Oh makes sense
@bart99gt
@bart99gt Жыл бұрын
You can tell the instant that the FAA lawyers got involved in the decision making process. Anyone pushed back and ready to go should have been allowed to fly. They have the information that is available to them at the time they begin their flight as mandated by the FARs . Anything that occurred enroute could have been handled by a case by case basis and disseminated directly to controllers via other methods. Yes, it would have resulted in additional workload, but would have been far preferable to what transpired. My unofficial opinion of someone who had to deal with yesterday's shit show.
@PrograError
@PrograError Жыл бұрын
send the bill?
@bbgun061
@bbgun061 Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@davecrupel2817
@davecrupel2817 Жыл бұрын
"additional workload" You can not even begin to wrap your head around how severe an understatement that is. It absolutely made more sense to just barr them all from taking off. Controllers would have gone batsh¡tt trying to manage a field of grounded, hungry zoomy airplanes, while still trying to let a few more land.
@Patmorgan235Us
@Patmorgan235Us Жыл бұрын
Except they didn't have updated NOTAMs. The system stopped working at 8pm the night before, they copped with a phone hotline until it got overwhelmed by morning traffic.
@kholmar
@kholmar Жыл бұрын
@@Patmorgan235Us you beat me to it, the system was down for several hours prior to the ground stop. must be another one of those guys who don't read them...
@hpgeerdes
@hpgeerdes Жыл бұрын
Great compilation buddy!
@joeyspizza8
@joeyspizza8 Жыл бұрын
Not that it /really/ matters, but I'm pretty sure at 8:05 it's "Yikes, uhh... ok" Great video as always!
@grantharriman284
@grantharriman284 Жыл бұрын
This is a weird case of simultaneous impact nationwide, and pretty much every major ATC is broadcast, so we have all different streams available.
@AzPoolguy
@AzPoolguy Жыл бұрын
Notams: Nobody reads those. Gold….
@RGB06084
@RGB06084 Жыл бұрын
Well done Victor!
@MicrowavedAlastair5390
@MicrowavedAlastair5390 Жыл бұрын
"Nobody reads NOTAMs." Which is exactly why the former chairman of the NTSB told the FAA to work on how they word those things.
@pcs9518
@pcs9518 Жыл бұрын
Thank goodness I didn’t have to work yesterday!
@mfelicio1
@mfelicio1 Жыл бұрын
Very strange this situation
@michealdowns903
@michealdowns903 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos! FYI, 0:45 all aircraft in the NAS national airspace system
@glenmcclure2844
@glenmcclure2844 Жыл бұрын
Loved that last recording!!!
@johng482
@johng482 Жыл бұрын
“Nobody reads NOTAMS”. When I was an FTE at Edwards, our standard preflight brief included a review of NOTAMS, though mostly to see if there was a launch out of Mojave Spaceport.
@azjoe_6310
@azjoe_6310 Жыл бұрын
Funny! It's nice they took it with humor and good attitudes.
@PrograError
@PrograError Жыл бұрын
good humor beats bad management huh
@chrissybunnyify
@chrissybunnyify Жыл бұрын
SAME THING HAPPENED HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES! It was crazy! So many passengers stranded. No any advise from CAAP or from anyone else
@leahholland6272
@leahholland6272 Жыл бұрын
Love your compilation!!!!
@antoniotrevisan4152
@antoniotrevisan4152 Жыл бұрын
Nobody reads NOTAM, that´s was the best.
@mytech6779
@mytech6779 Жыл бұрын
They finally put out so many NOTAMSs the stack collapsed under its own weight.😉 And that is when you call dispatch and get them to wrangle up a VFR plan.
@Sebastopolmark
@Sebastopolmark Жыл бұрын
WOW - Kennedy Steve would have had a GREAT time with this one! !! !!!
@eholby
@eholby Жыл бұрын
Notams have become unusable. I believe they are written in some long forgotten language. There are too many and most are of no consequence. Apparently the FAA was more far concerned with changing the name of the system than making it work.
@Rob2
@Rob2 Жыл бұрын
I thought NOTAMs were collected during flight preparation and printed (or in these days loaded on a tablet) before the flight, read in the preparation room, and only taken onboard for reference. If that is the case, the STOP would have to be applied on the preparation phase, and anyone already holding short of a runway for departure could just go.
@ianrobertson3419
@ianrobertson3419 Жыл бұрын
it's a ground stop, it means all traffic has to stop, regardless of whether they're ready or not.
@Rob2
@Rob2 Жыл бұрын
@@ianrobertson3419 Yes, but the question was "why a gound stop"?
@francpomi2933
@francpomi2933 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree with you Rob. They could just stop traffics at the clearance delivery frequency.
@PrograError
@PrograError Жыл бұрын
@@Rob2 probably liability and shits... or another 9/11 suspected... or they just had no bloody idea.
@AKStovall
@AKStovall Жыл бұрын
@@Rob2 to ensure that nobody with faulty NOTAM info doesn't slip through the cracks and get allowed to leave. best in that situation to prevent any movement, instead of going on the honor system about whether they're in their off blocks window or not.
@patrickkambali9469
@patrickkambali9469 Жыл бұрын
7:15 Absolute Gold; He literally expects to be told to hold all takeoffs and tries to get them in the air before he is told officially and therefore has to comply. I don't know what to make of this, maybe I will right my thoughts when I have processed what I am thinking.
@DocSpengler
@DocSpengler Жыл бұрын
I consider they probably expect a fax or something to come in as their official notice but heard about it from other airport buddies who got theirs first. Until you get that FAA letterhead, it's all good
@tringalij
@tringalij Жыл бұрын
He knows it’s just a bullshit legal thing. 99% of the NOTAMS are useless… a tower 3 miles away from the airport unlit, the yellow taxi line faded, 5g interference might happen, birds are in the area… and that 1% that’s important like a runway closure is listed on the ATIS, so yeah… no pilot actually realistically cares if the NOTAMS work or not.
@ferrarikingdom
@ferrarikingdom Жыл бұрын
@3:05 he says think it has something to do with the notams then think the system is out. Thanks for the coverage as always
@sandqwert
@sandqwert Жыл бұрын
"A preliminary FAA review of last week’s outage of the Notice to Air Missions (NOTAM) system determined that contract personnel unintentionally deleted files while working to correct synchronization between the live primary database and a backup database" (Source: FAA) I've also read that the are saying that they were not following procedures, but I'm not sure if we will ever really know the details, but it makes sense as to way there was no fast recovery since both primary and backup systems were affected at the same time basically.
@alexbeckett2148
@alexbeckett2148 Жыл бұрын
I was really scared I didn't know where the 212 foot tall, unlit tower 5 miles south of the airport was, terrifying really.
@A.J.1656
@A.J.1656 Жыл бұрын
I really like to request the visual and fly my PAX low-level over their houses before landing. Knowing where the towers are is vital to a successful tour of the area. While that is scary, Imagine hitting a bump while taxiing behind the old shed where they keep the mowing equipment and decommissioned tugs. I shudder at the thought.
@Trek001
@Trek001 Жыл бұрын
Captain Maggie doesn't need NOTAMs NOTAMs need Captain Maggie
@indygal6552
@indygal6552 Жыл бұрын
We were scheduled to fly out that Wednesday afternoon on a direct flight from Indianapolis to Key West. Our delay was only about 1.5 hours. We were lucky. But it was kind of an eerie feeling that morning when we first heard the news.
@spiralrose
@spiralrose Жыл бұрын
I can imagine… Shades of 9/11right there.. that’s the only other time I can recall of an entire nationwide ground stop
@aviationrambler
@aviationrambler Жыл бұрын
0:34 Pretty sure he said "... all aircraft in the NAS (National Air Space)."
@robertbutsch1802
@robertbutsch1802 Жыл бұрын
“Snowtam?” Victor needs to get someone to proof his captioning.
@steveanderson9290
@steveanderson9290 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the captioning is "automagic" and based on voice recognition.
@captainjohnh9405
@captainjohnh9405 Жыл бұрын
"Snowtam" is an ancient term used in early days of commercial aviation. They were issued locally (mostly by towers in the north east that did not have plows) to warn pilots of snow depth and braking action. The only time I ever heard a Snowtam was on Christmas Eve in Corpus Christi roughly 20 years ago. The city got 6" of snow (the first measurable snowfall in 60+ years).
@wloffblizz
@wloffblizz Жыл бұрын
Definition SNOWTAM. A special series NOTAM given in a standard format providing a surface condition report notifying the presence or cessation of hazardous conditions due to snow, ice, slush, frost, standing water or water associated with snow, slush, ice or frost on the movement area. Source: ICAO Annex 15
@robertbutsch1802
@robertbutsch1802 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. That’s interesting. I had never heard of a SNOTAM before as actual terminology in use. Nevertheless, the correct transcription of what JFK Tower is saying is “this NOTAM” not “the Snowtam.”
@Jim91010
@Jim91010 Жыл бұрын
Love it! NOBODY READS NOTAMS!
@subsoar5734
@subsoar5734 Жыл бұрын
“nobody reads notams” i love that guy
@toupac3195
@toupac3195 Жыл бұрын
Much respect to all ATC personnel. Pilots don't like bad news, but you are just the messengers.
@goodisnipr
@goodisnipr Жыл бұрын
When you watch the FlightRadar24 history of the day, very few airborne aircraft grounded. There were still hundreds of flights across the continent, skipping airports that they could've landed at. I even saw a bunch taking off, and I am aware of what UTC is.
@lottiestanley7696
@lottiestanley7696 Жыл бұрын
From what I heard, all planes in the air were allowed to continue to their destination. Only planes on the ground were not allowed to take off. They were using special phone lines to get NOTAM type information to various airports and airlines. And, it sounded like cargo planes were also allowed to fly? Not sure about that though.
@PrograError
@PrograError Жыл бұрын
@@lottiestanley7696 i think it's more due to the specialized airport and route they fly, so the risk might have been lower-ish??
@lottiestanley7696
@lottiestanley7696 Жыл бұрын
@@PrograError Maybe. But, many of the cargo planes take off and land at busy airports. SFO, HNL, and LAX for example.
@skoffco
@skoffco Жыл бұрын
Retired from 37 years of fly for a major airline. I haven’t looked back one single minute since I left that industry!. The flying part was the best all the rest of the issues that go along with the business we’re not.
@StratMatt777
@StratMatt777 Жыл бұрын
As a pilot, this is definitely the first time I have ever heard the phrase 'best rate of taxi" from a controller! (Scroll down to see people saying that I'm not a pilot! :)
@sbfcapnj
@sbfcapnj Жыл бұрын
The hamster on the wheel finally gave up the ghost.
@BillySugger1965
@BillySugger1965 Жыл бұрын
Holy moly!
@andrewrixon2347
@andrewrixon2347 Жыл бұрын
Back in the day I was a parascending instructor and we were operating in Norfolk, UK, and we had a NOTAM out for our area“ SEE & AVOID”. All of a sudden we got buzzed by two Buccaneer aircraft who were hedge hopping who saw the person under the parachute and did avoid ! A testy call to the Air Miss team from one of our instructors soon sorted things out ( he was a Squadron Leader in the RAF). So yeah, no one reads NOTAM’s !!
@kd9lac803
@kd9lac803 Ай бұрын
I was on IOE at my airline at the time. Luckily I had a late show that day, so I got to the airport after the ground stop was lifted and we were given an alternate method of accessing NOTAMs. Flight still canceled, and we got to repo an empty CRJ-900 from GSP to BNA. That was an interesting day.
@OcotilloTom
@OcotilloTom Жыл бұрын
My wife was caught in that yesterday coming home from San Diego to Phoenix. Got home about 2 hrs. later than initially predicted. The whole flight time is 1 hr. and 5 minutes from San Diego to Phoenix.
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