Snipe, the Dreadnought tail looks nothing like a pea! *SMH* Thanks for having me in this!

The Khorne Berserker kit has the distinct honour of being the oldest plastic kit still produced by GW.

"we wanted them to be more evil, more sinister and more powerful" *cries in one wound*

"Universe. Designed by Michael Perry." Okay.

I see you, alone, with a lot of horns. Jesus, that’s a lot of horns.

Please don't die for the model, Snipe. Who will tell us what the phallic bits look like if you're gone?

"And lets not even talk about the Berserkers" At least Berserkers have models, poor Noise Marines

I love the paintjob on ol Tentacle Arm. He looks like he's from the Hotline Miami warband.

Word of the day: Treacher Honestly I now want to include in a D&D setting a penal colony called the Treacher's Trench. It's the right level of goofy and alliterative to juxtapose a fantasy gulag.

6:30 it's hard to find a sleeker and more stylish way of saying "Im evil" than a nice pair of big fuck off horns.

I don’t remember designing those shoulder pads and weapons back at 2002... but I guess it’s totally true possible since warp time shenanigans . Thanks for reminding me and awesome video! Edit: I just realized that this comment got so many replies that even people tried to contact me. I’m very sorry to say I only wrote the previous statement as a joke since Juan Díaz and I happen to share the exact same name. I’m in no way trying to impersonate that Games Workshop employee in any way, shape or form. Once again, I’m terribly sorry if that’s what most people understood since it was only a good-willed joke I made based around a total coincidence. I’m just a guy from Spain and have no relation whatsoever with the person mentioned in the video. I just like 40k and I made a joke that went too far for my own taste without me realizing until now. Apologies once again to anyone that voted or commented and for any inconvenience. Won’t happen again!

Hey there, I'm the one who painted the 2 dreads with stingers facing forward, there's a spine running along the back of both parts so I strongly believe it was meant to look lika an insect's abdomen, it does make it look menacing 🙂

I love the old peanut shaped dreadnoughts. They're so bad.

They are not traitors! They are just enlightened, liberated and misunderstood!

Thank you for this gift mum and dad :)

I'd love a retrospective on the Genestealers in 40k history. As they weren't originally part of the Tyranids it would be interesting to see how they changed over the years

Chaos Space Marines, when you stop doing atrocious things for the survival of mankind, and just start doing it as a hobby on the weekends.

The Chaos backpack started life as a Marine jump pack - specifically, the idea was that marine jump packs were formed by adding a jump pack attachment to the standard back pack. So, if you look at those original csm backpacks, you can see where the inner/lower set of nozzles marks the top of the basic backpack. The extended arms and outer/top nozzles are meant to be the jump pack engines, which is why the arms extend them out so far. You can see that original intent in the artwork at the 0:38 mark, btw. The story is that there was some sort of miscommunication during design - distinct Chaos backpacks hadn’t been created for the new Treacher/Renegade minis, but the product packers or someone else, who were told there’d be new backpacks for them, mistook the new jump packs as being the new Chaos packs and the association stuck. At the 3:35 mark, the one on the right is the original version intended as a jump pack. The left was sculpted after the accident was made and it was decided to use the design as a baroque Chaos equipment, embracing the more organic and spiky look of Chaos. Over time, the packs would lose their actual vent nozzles as everyone assumed that’s what the jet thrusters were anyways, hence why the modern versions tend to have only two rather than the original four.

"Dreadnought!" Funny? Yes. Have I grown tired of it? Not yet.

These guys are directly responsible for me now having a 2nd edition ork army

I'd love to see a GSC retrospective. Given that the line was fully discontinued for several editions then revived

Treacher. Pronounced like treachery, but just drop the y.

I think H. R. Giger is the word you were searching but didn't find to describe the early CSM aesthetics. Great video, as always, thank you very much!

Nice to see you not afraid to not flinch about the controversy surrounding John Carpenters The Thing

A lot of the Naughty Marines are very "of their time". Rest assured the Space Crusade Dreadnought was laughable from the very beginning though.

Still the most fun 40k content to watch on KZfaq (Sorry Oculus)

I love that Space Crusade dreadnaught.

Man that transition from 1998 to 2019 went fast. Hard to believe the range really was that static for that long.

If CSM had received their 2019 look just a few years earlier, I'd probably be a Chaos player, instead of a Dark Angels player. They're seriously some of my favourite minis from 40k, alongside the new Sisters that came out around the same time

That is the best darkwing duck reference I have ever seen

It’s called a “vestigial tail,” snipe. 😏

06:54 *Chibi Chaos Dreadnought* Snipe: "PLEASE ask me to die for them"

"I was on a Dornian Heresy kick at the time" Oh lord.

I've been in love with the Space Crusade Chaos Dreadnought since I was a kid, it's one of those designs I still prey GW will use as a basis for a future Chaos kit.. Maybe for the Emperor's Children, maybe another unaligned daemon engine. I can dream, right? Great vid you two 💀💜

Tentacle arm guy is named 'Lord Tyrell of Arden' in the Combat Cards, and that character has a few quotes scattered through Realms of Chaos and old Chaos Codex! Something about asking for a planet's daughters as tribute...

That Chaos Dreadnought from Space Crusade unironically looks amazing.

The wait is finally over, it’s time.

Chaos space marines the product of what happens when you take a regular Space Marine and Drag them by the feet through almost every heavy metal album the 80s and 90s had to offer

Dark Vengeance was such a great value set. The traitor marine sculpts were fantastic - and the Crimson Slaughter Chaos Marines were great too. 😅

I have no idea if this would work but I would absolutely LOVE a thousand sons retrospective, I just think my dusty bois deserve more respect.

11:10 Woah, I didn’t even know these models existed. Man I wish there was a kit for these, I’d totally pick those up.

Looks like Johnny and his Magazine of Wisdom have found a worthy opponent at last!

I like the old chaos stuff, i hope to make a small warband of them some day. The'll be on space-ship corridor style bases since in my personal headcanon there's a distinction between Chaos Marines and Chaos Renegades, whichis what the old ones were called.

Anyone that asks Snipe to die for Epic scale dreadnoughts can fight me. No dying Snipe! We'd miss you.

While I like the style of the newer CSM, there's something missing from the old style "Chaos Renegades" where they looked like mutated and baroque. IMHO the 2nd edition ones were one of the best, although i think the RT-era Chaos Terminators were amazing. The helmets of the new CSM I think don't look nearly as good as the ones before. And I really miss the old RT-era backpacks, I wish I could find those nowadays. Also props to the ED-209 Chaos Dread.

I’m sorry did I just read AARON DEMBSKI BOWDEN HIMSELF IN YOUR PATRON LIST?

I like chaos marines who just look like WHFB chaos knights with a gun and a backpack.

Got my start in 40k back in 99. Those plastic chaos marines with the molded on heads were the first figs I picked up aside from the metal five man death company at the time and I still have both sets

That original chaos dreadnought is the reason I got into 40k in the first place. It was the early 90s...my D&D Elf ranger had just died in the High School Lunchtime Games Club adventure...and I wandered over to see what the other folks were doing...something involving metal miniatures and dice...I had no idea what was going on but I really wanted to know more about that skull faced thing with the pincer... And I was hooked...

I love this videos on history of model lines. Thank you and keep ‘em coming.

I really really needed this today and well, it made me smile and so I thank you. I had so many of the 2002 kit... Some 2000pts of just... Dudes.

The old dread reminds me of the ED-209 or whatever it was called, the robot walker thing in the old Robocop movies... Thanks for the video, and the humor gets you a sub....

I remember that 3-man monopose box. My first ever 40k kit.

I wish they brought back the biomechanical giger stuff.

I had a rough day and this made it better.. Thank you

my favorite thing about Chaos Space Marines is where you can almost kitbash anything with them and it works.

Damn, the Space Marine video game is already 9 years old!

Really enjoyed that trip down memory lane. Cheers!

2:50 The more you ⭐BUM⭐

Gonna leave you with a funny anecdote to bless your comment reading. When I was first getting into 40k my little sister was around 5ish. She took a liking to the Chaos Marines but had a particularly interesting name for them. They are Space Marine with horns. So to her child brain, they were Horny Marines.

yay more chaos codex compliant content

The First Episode of Codex Compliant featuring an Issue of White Dwarf that I actually OWNED!!! I’m feeling so proud!!!!! 🤟

That line about the berserkers being old is gonna age amazingly when Codex: World Eaters comes out

i've been collecting the old RT renegades on and off for a while now and have a fair few. newer models are certainly superior on a technical level but they've never had a better style. also re: the enormous backpack: i believe that at the time there was some uncertainty as to what a jump pack should look like as there are several pieces of art depicting space marines and chaos marines using their backpack to, well, blast off. some early imperial guard with jump packs also have the exact same kind of unit as the space marines do. that could explain why some marines were drawn without any backpack at all, they were just basic footsloggers. the chaos backpack also has four sets of vents, with one small set that matches the imperial one. makes sense considering that tactical, devastator and assault squads could all be equippe with jump packs. amusingly enough the RT chaos backpack isn't a great physical fit on the model because of its dimensions, with the 2nd edition chaos backpacks being much easier to put on. which is just as well because trying to source plastic bits from thirty-four years ago is a fool's errand.

Brilliant as always, thanks folks

Oooh, my very first army and still my favourite range. Nicely done as always, you guys!

Another brilliant video guys. Great to see it.

im gonna need a lot more of Wib's Word Corner lmao

You guys should do a model retrospective on the aeldari Phoenix lords, but end the video with something like "so that's the 2nd edition sculpt... also the 9th ed one"

Yey a retrospective on my favourite faction!!

Dark Vengeance is when I got back into the hobby after being a kid, and those Chosen minis were so difficult for me to paint.

Space Crusade Chaos Marine backpack. They're also quite massive, esp for old models.

Ya'll are genuinely the most wholesome nerds on youtube.

Hey! I just wanted to let you know you're doing a great job. Your videos always make my day. Keep it up Snipe and Wib.

8:01 that set was also my first citadel miniatures I ever got hold of, along with a set of Black Orcs for Warhammer Fantasy and some citadel combat cards. It was from a local toy shop long before I ever stepped foot in an actual Games Workshop. Seeing that box makes me feel really nostalgic.

Thank you for another amazing video. I hadn't realised just how into mutations the original CSM were. Does make the newer ones make more sense.

I love you guys thank you!!!

Wait.....Khorne Berserkers had previous models? I thought Tzeentch had just made it so Khorne had infantry that’s been in use since the beginning of time.

Been waiting for this

Loved the Dark Wing Duck joke, you wonderfully human.

That three man chaos squad was my first chaos experience. I mostly painted nids when i started but after those minis i was a devout heretic since. Still love my bugs but skulls come before biomass

Spikey boys! An excellent video!

Just finished playing the Space Crusade campaign last week, such nostalgia!

I laughed when I saw that...Squat Marine? in the size comparison.

Great video. Funny and informative as always. I love the Space Crusade Dreadnought and hope to finally give mine a paint job it deserves in my next video after 30 years.

Cool video, loved the Darkwing Duck reference.

Can we please talk about Berserkers?! I mean, I can forgive bikes, since they've always been dumb, but Berserkers were once the mainstay of every Chaos army. It's a tragedy how far they have fallen!

I love the white dwarf dinosaur troops on the cover

This was great, yourselves are great. 🥰

I think that late 2nd edition box of plastic chaos marines was my first GW purchase as well. And I definitely had that set of metal marines. And the terminators.

I love the look of pure pride and joy on your face over that darkwing duck joke xD

Was having a bad morning, this was a nice surprise.

My most favorite youtube show

Aw sweet, it has that rad song that is in both Comic Bakery and Jurassic Park.

Oh my goodness, that's the theme tune that Fireball II had / nicked! Something new ev'ry day.

Great video, i love seeing all the old versions of models. I really hope that whoever finally makes some new Khorne minis will actually know the mechanics of running lol, Kharn the betrayer in particular looks like he has literally tripped over something and is about to faceplant

5:40 *DRED-NORRRRRRRRRT!!!!*

I was looking forward for this one 😀👍

That blue and silver chaos marine is just MMM

Why the dislike for 6th edition? That was the one I played the most games in, and I loved it...