Charli XCX on Auto-Tune: When and When Not To Use | ft. George Daniel & A.G. Cook, "BRAT"

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Charli XCX discusses the use of Auto-Tune on her new album "BRAT", explaining why she can no longer live without Auto-Tune, while also acknowledging the value of raw, imperfect vocals with producers George Daniel and A.G. Cook.
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@TapeNotesPodcast 25 күн бұрын

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@tigersteffi 28 күн бұрын

George has had to set some sort of record at this point for having the most appearances on this show

@Caradocg 28 күн бұрын

Just shows how influential he's becoming on the pop music that everyone's talking about

@eli-fm5zz 28 күн бұрын

shes so right that a slightly janky sound goes hard. especially because the golden zone for enjoying a song is where the beat and flow of a song is relatively predictable but not entirely. our brains really like small diversions of expectations (which is why u might not like a song at first, then after a few listens you really like it, then after too many listens it’s repetitive and boring) so those little hiccups in the track keep it fresh and interesting. super valuable in the pop genre where the goal is often catchy and repetitive

@cowboytonydee 22 күн бұрын

Well said

@chompskyhonk19 28 күн бұрын

i drink and smoke and use autotune lmaoooo

@Adovian_ 18 күн бұрын

I’d buy the t shirt😂😂💚

@L4wr3nc3810 15 күн бұрын

Iconic

@syntheticsilkwood2206 28 күн бұрын

What I love about charli is that she always leaves faults in her autotuned vocals they're not always clean or on pitch It always has so much textures with the wobbliness and the distortion that it adds an emotion and conveys it very efficiently

@theymademedoitiswear 25 күн бұрын

Yeah she’s using it as an instrument. Singing the melody clean is sort of not the point.

@codesm96 23 күн бұрын

Excuses people can't sing make

@syntheticsilkwood2206 23 күн бұрын

@@codesm96 nobody is denying that charli isn't that great of a singer but I like her voice and the way she constructs her melodies and executes them in such an effective way using autotune and other vocal effects Did you even watch the interview? And why can't artists just express themselves the way they want to Now beyonce can't write but she can still use songwriters and sell the emotions of their writing Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses

@novander 14 күн бұрын

@@codesm96 bro thinks music's a competition 🫵🫵🤣🤣

@codesm96 13 күн бұрын

@@novander It is. If you can't sing like Charli XCX and rely on dozens of writers for every single track and dozens of producers, she is no more talented than the average person. Basically stealing a living because she's lucky to have a career thanks to some Execs on her label that have a boner for her or something.

@PINE_333 28 күн бұрын

Power trio of the century

@soaribb32 28 күн бұрын

At least I think it works with Charli cuz her music is super electronic.

@Rawrmuffin0 28 күн бұрын

And yet her ballads are the most raw bc its stripped back synths with the auto tune for effect

@AnalogueDad 28 күн бұрын

Exactly

@Ethyl.breaks 24 күн бұрын

It’s an effect like delay or reverb. If you do it right, no one notices because it’s good. Even the robot voice from the early 2000s no one thought it was good but daft punk made a career on it

@jethro377 23 күн бұрын

@@Ethyl.breaks it's not an effect, it's a crutch

@Ethyl.breaks 22 күн бұрын

@@jethro377 .you know people said the same thing about pink floyd after dark side of the moon.said it was cheating for using 'crutchs' like guitar pedals in the early 70s . you can use it as a crutch but no one would take it seriously if you couldnt perfrom without it. you take the human element out of it and what do you have ? nothing. you put a guitar in someones hands and theyre not jimi instantly , pedals or not . youre an entertainer being a musician, the music makes up about 10percent of it. but sure take what it was called at first its a brand called autotune,call it robot sound 3000. now what is it. at first it was meant to tune vocals to guitars right? yes. then after about five years people noticed "o we can tweak these permaters and make it more obvious" then fast forward another five years and people like travis scott produce their albums using it as an effect and then on live shows sing in their regular voice over it adding another layer so basically creating another element of sound. the human ear can only hear three sounds at once. what you choose to put out there for other people isnt even up to you in the end.labels are loan sharks. your favorite band is a tshirt company in 2020, if it sells sure cool but take the person away and you got nothing

@matthew-christian 28 күн бұрын

bumpin that 🔑🌨️

@Mega_Queef 28 күн бұрын

ahahaouahah

@YodasPapa 28 күн бұрын

I love how the host is almost entirely unnecessary (and knows when to stay out of the way).

@JmrDavies 28 күн бұрын

Brat is a real achievement. Brilliant album.

@mjschlosser 28 күн бұрын

I just love her!!! 💚💚💚

@necroriffmonger 28 күн бұрын

it's such a good album!! 😎

@Carlangus 25 күн бұрын

YES 💚

@codesm96 23 күн бұрын

It sucks ass. I hope Charli is reading this, girl you are beautiful but your music is TRASH

@cameronarmstrong776 28 күн бұрын

george and charli 💓

@PeteLockhartTV 25 күн бұрын

These guys are creative powerhouses, and are definitely ahead of their time!

@mjschlosser 28 күн бұрын

She is my whole summer 💚💚💚

@literaltrash2275 23 күн бұрын

Love autotune. It totally works for her vibe and anyone who wants to use it. Creativity has no limits!

@literaltrash2275 23 күн бұрын

I’m hooked on brat

@LowerLoveday 23 күн бұрын

It's the whole perfection lies in the imperfections type of thing. But it's also kind of a paradox as autotune is supposed to make everything perfect. So that's where it gets real interesting

@orgyonmyown 28 күн бұрын

"Tuning's not my forte" she said. And that's were the Auto (german for car) comes in 😂💚

@soaribb32 28 күн бұрын

Vroom vroom

@itsneptunemusic 28 күн бұрын

georges karaoke latency joke went way too under-appreciated

@lepythagore3288 23 күн бұрын

Hilarious moment, Charli's reaction "Yeah yeah I'm amazing" is great too

@KordTaylor 28 күн бұрын

Charlie XCX is so progressive. She always seems to get the latest cool music producers and embraces new stylings. Kind of like Madonna back in the day but I’m more a Charlie fan. And yeah imma sending this to my old friends at Antares/Auto-Tune. If ya think about it, Auto-Tune on vocals is like when they put frets on a stringed instruments. 👏🏻❤️🔥

@peanuts7324 28 күн бұрын

she doesnt embrace new stylings she created them

@stonedmazes2587 28 күн бұрын

@@peanuts7324 agreed! Charli is as much of a pioneer as many of her peers. Not acknowledging this is the reason her music has taken so far to really get to this level of notoriety

@michaelgreene4816 27 күн бұрын

Don't compare Madge with Charli. Apples oranges.

@michaelgreene4816 27 күн бұрын

@@peanuts7324Uh whuuut?

@KordTaylor 27 күн бұрын

Weird. I don’t think you are understanding my point. I LIKE CHARLIE ALOT! My intent was to compliment that she is into innovation and raising the bar NOT to diss. Re: the producers you do need to realize she chooses them and are part of it too. Wow. Never expected such flames.

@antoniog2854 28 күн бұрын

i wish they wouldve explained how they made the filtery bass sound 1:38

@soaribb32 28 күн бұрын

It's probably on Patreon

@YodasPapa 28 күн бұрын

You can see it's with Serum and it's called "step bass" I think. I reckon it's just the bass thing at the start of the song with some crazy automated/performed filters on it, but I'm just guessing. And then there's sometimes a delay that's maybe only applied to mids and higher

@antoniog2854 28 күн бұрын

@@YodasPapa I saw that it was Serum...just wondering about the filtering and occasional echo's ect. Its probably what you say... lots of automating different parameters ect

@m.o.n.d.e.g.r.e.e.n 26 күн бұрын

yeh there was a whole chorusey effect on her vox in one of the songs that was modulating in its width but it was never spoken about

@marsupialmicron 28 күн бұрын

Woooow you’ve got an Oscar synthesizer!!! You got yo do q video about it

@wandluung 15 күн бұрын

Insightful but ngl; would have preferred if a.g. had been given more camera/mic time ~ he’s brilliant

@basslightyeah 28 күн бұрын

I'm quite surprised they used Logic for her tracks. I was certain she'd be an Ableton user with the music she's making

@tigersteffi 28 күн бұрын

I think George (and by extension Matty from The 1975) are pretty known to use Logic but everything then gets bounced out on to pro tools. Not sure what AG uses but i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Ableton

@mdnghtppl0000 28 күн бұрын

every clip ive seen of ag he also uses logic

@zacharygallenberger9243 28 күн бұрын

AG has said he uses Ableton but that was like 8 years ago

@antoniog2854 28 күн бұрын

AG and Easyfun are both Logic users

@matthewwatt2295 27 күн бұрын

99% of it is how well you know the software - all the established DAWs will give you the tools to get to that same end result, it's just down to how many hours you've put in and whether you enjoy using it.

@user-ic5rw3ul5e 27 күн бұрын

Omg sameeeee I have my little booklet with all my complex handwritten passwords, and I also get attempts to log into my email from around the world everyday, sometimes multiple times per hour lol

@Missjunebugfreak 28 күн бұрын

i've always wondered if Charli could improve her voice just by doing vocal training. And at least not smoking. But I do think the Autotune works for her style and gives her music a different character.

@SilentAssassin01234 28 күн бұрын

Smoking would only affect your tonal quality and range. It wouldn’t affect your ear and pitch. Look at all the famous singers who smoke, Aretha, Dionne, Whitney- they had flawless pitch. The main reason is like she said, she is lazy. She isn’t a vocalist, she is a songwriter. She relies on tuning as a crutch so it has made her ear lazy. The ear is like a muscle, you need to work it regularly otherwise you will lose any skill with it.

@finnrogue9435 28 күн бұрын

during the pandemic Tove Lo tried to make her warm her voice and train her singing voice but that didn't last long 😭😭

@Missjunebugfreak 25 күн бұрын

@@SilentAssassin01234 You're right. It's a shame she's lazy now because it's a valuable skill to be able to have that pitch. I don't know if she could get it back if she stopped relying on tuning. Maybe some kind of training could strengthen that muscle.

@spookeymo 24 күн бұрын

i stronly believe everyone can sing well with proper training

@jethro377 23 күн бұрын

why put in the effort when the masses have no standards

@machinate 27 күн бұрын

A.G. referencing Whigfield is so nice - In many ways lots of those types of hits are "lost" to our collective memory now, and he's one of the champions of that style still.

@nackedgrils9302 26 күн бұрын

I'll never forget Whigfield! Wish there could be a full episode with A. G. only, I've been a fan for more than 10 years but I may have seen a total of 5-6 minutes of him talking in interviews.

@tildebang497 28 күн бұрын

i need to know where her sunnies are from

@Cactuspractice12 28 күн бұрын

Anyone else rewind Gucci's Lemonade? Burrrrr!

@sweetlooweeze 7 күн бұрын

Yall have got to get Tinashe, Chloe and Pink Pantheress on here. Really amazing artists who also produce and engineer! I’d love to get their perspectives

@Zachx 25 күн бұрын

I love when she uses auto-tune, but she really has a great voice. I wish she'd sing at her 100% again like she used to.

@codesm96 23 күн бұрын

She forgot how to sing..well she was never that good to begin with

@timderez2804 7 күн бұрын

anyone that knows where George got that brit pop t-shirt from? love it

@waterglas21 28 күн бұрын

I always think she use autotune in a very tastful way

@nimck6642 28 күн бұрын

Track breakdowns?!?!?!

@delreyluvr89 19 күн бұрын

please consider getting the producer rick nowels on the podcast hes a great musician and did amazing work with lana del rey!!

@Adovian_ 18 күн бұрын

I drink, I smoke I use auto tune is not only a bar, it’s a t-shirt i want😂💚

@iPlayAdCarry 21 күн бұрын

Yeah she's real

@fedegrande8124 28 күн бұрын

1:39 what program are they using?

@footballgirl263 28 күн бұрын

logic - basically a professional GarageBand by apple

@kirstenmccluskey4445 28 күн бұрын

Gosh, GD never looked so good with that dirty stash. I love it

@MQZ17 27 күн бұрын

Brat is a masterpiece, I'm bias but its true

@codesm96 23 күн бұрын

It sucks ass. Bunch of autotune cool girl garbage. It's douchey and sounds robotic

@itsjasonbiitch853 26 күн бұрын

Omg George’s voice is hot

@jelletimmermans3916 28 күн бұрын

Omgg

@teriko865 28 күн бұрын

lmfao

@jackpantomime 27 күн бұрын

I will never not enjoy seeing George on the show

@sebasitn 28 күн бұрын

First thing that happens is George says she sings way out of pitch tantamount to being tone deaf and then you see AG has to restore the vibe with his authority and equanimity...

@soaribb32 28 күн бұрын

I wonder why

@sebasitn 28 күн бұрын

@@soaribb32 Note also a recent interview where Charli mentions having some songs queued up on a DJ set with what may look like conflicting BPM's (though as she explains, she knows what she's doing) and then feeling patronized when george points it out. Yet another instance he feels he has to "correct" her or at least assert she's doing something "wrong." People will hate to hear it but it's something I've noticed.

@tehkokhoe 28 күн бұрын

What level of terminally online is this

@360ana 28 күн бұрын

lmao did we watch the same video?? charli started saying that and george assured her it’s nothing and that it was just a half tone and they laughted ab it and ab karaoke. get off the internet jesus christ

@sebasitn 28 күн бұрын

@@360ana "just a half tone" they said semi-tone, which as you may know is like a whole fret on a guitar or a whole piano key away from where she ought to be pitch wise. Another way of saying this is usually a singer is like 10 cents give or take away from a note, while a semi-tone is 100 cents difference. This is a difference pretty much all hearing people notice, unless they're tone deaf. Notice how Charli sort of reacts to the use of the word semi-tone. Of course they're all gonna play it off and it'll look that way on camera but people in these sorts of crowds are really subtle and sensitive, to me personally it was telling that AG felt the need to counter/balance out what George was saying, and I'm with him on what he said. He is THE producer after all, whose responsibilities have traditionally included being like the coach of the artist, how you gonna let someone get them down?

@user-rf5mc4zm4d 26 күн бұрын

I just bought you patreon to see the chainsmokers video and its no there!! its a scam

@footballgirl263 28 күн бұрын

is the video kinda fucked at the beginning for anyone else? or is it just me?

@juvingonsalves 9 күн бұрын

She could sing before good though. I think she's just being modest. She can still belt. Just prefers auto tune.

@user-cb3vs3oh5h 28 күн бұрын

There’s never a bad time to use pitch correction. It’s artist preference.

@dorianford6227 28 күн бұрын

She uses auto tune in a very tasteful way

@sebastiananthony5442 28 күн бұрын

So Sophie was pushing Charli to use her own voice and I 100% believe that Sophie would have preferred So I to be sung by Charli just with her own voice naked bare and raw 😢

@soaribb32 28 күн бұрын

Sophie did just that in the song Charli referenced (it's ok 2 cry) in So I.

@peanuts7324 28 күн бұрын

ngl this is a weird ass comment

@johncarolina4950 26 күн бұрын

Sophie would prefer the song never be written and that she'd be alive I'm pretty sure.

@satisfactoryrelief 21 күн бұрын

how about not criticising an intensely emotional tribute to a dead friend just so you can voice a (pointless) opinion.

@jethro377 24 күн бұрын

I remember when singers knew how to sing, now any hack can do it

@codesm96 23 күн бұрын

It's pathetic, takes no effort at all

@mariandown2327 21 күн бұрын

@@codesm96 she's mainly a songwriter. What is pathetic is not noticing that.

@codesm96 21 күн бұрын

@@mariandown2327 Well her songwriting sucks. And if that sucks, and her singing sucks and her production sucks because it sounds too robotic, then you have someone who makes garbage music, like Charli XCX. What's pathetic is being a fan of such garbage.

@sneekz07 18 күн бұрын

@@codesm96 Cry some more.

@kjwends 10 күн бұрын

@@codesm96 there are tones of great singers who arent creative at all. whats the point of having vocal talent if you cannot create great melodies or write a song. You are just projecting your lack of talent

@mouman 28 күн бұрын

This is the artists everyone is giving 10's? Saying she cant sing?

@birdie17uk 28 күн бұрын

Welcome to 2024....

@bia6677 28 күн бұрын

You need to be quite obtuse to not understand she thrives in lyricism and experimenting with sound, so vocals aren't the focus of her music. If that's the pop girl you want, there's 100 others to pick from.

@noa_1104 28 күн бұрын

To me this project and her previous ones are full of satisfying/ well executed vocals (and good lyrics and songwriting) because it’s about so much more than having the most accurate pitch

@antptrl 28 күн бұрын

@@bia6677 but I feel like charli likes to downplay herself a lot, her live vocals are fine. she’s no Beyoncé but she’s not bad at all

@bia6677 28 күн бұрын

@@antptrl totally agree, I'd say it comes from making these musical choices for so long and being compared to other female pop artists. most mainstream acts have always had a focus on vocal quality, I can see why she'd end up feeling lesser than.

@nebyenrub 28 күн бұрын

An entire podcast explaining exactly how much she lacks the talent to sing on pitch, interesting stuff!

@austinbartnicki1385 28 күн бұрын

Auto-tune and pitch correction are two separate things completely. The former is a filter to create a specific sound whereas the latter is, well, pitch correction.

@that_icy_stylish_bitch 28 күн бұрын

Imagine being a grandpa and instead of spending your time with your family and friends, you use to spread misinformation and ignorance on the internet.

@nebyenrub 28 күн бұрын

@@austinbartnicki1385 auto-tune is extreme pitch correction, genius. She’s literally talking about how she’s off key, but please, keep explaining audio production to an engineer.

@Hollow4y 28 күн бұрын

The point she’s making is that she’s become used to singing deliberately out of key when using Autotune. Singing with Autotune is a completely different instrument to standard singing, as you have to sing out of key in order to really ‘lean in’ and get a certain sound.

@murderbear9576 28 күн бұрын

her discography is better than whatever your fave put out tbh.