Chase Utley's Hall of Fame Case

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7 ай бұрын

Ron Darling joins BK on the MLB Now Showdown to break down Chase Utley's Hall of Fame chances and much more!
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@martinrenzhofer8241
@martinrenzhofer8241 7 ай бұрын
I managed to watch Chase Utley only one time live and in person, stopping in Philly as part of a road trip. I knew he was quality, but one play during that "meaningless" regular-season game convinced me of his baseball character. There was a line drive to right, and the rightfielder botched the rebound off of the wall and it bounced by him back toward the infield. Utley, who had tracked back, was there to field the ball. He wasn't in medium depth right field either. He followed the play and grabbed the ball not too far from the warning track and saved a run with his hustle. I was hooked on the guy ever since.
@RO-pg9hw
@RO-pg9hw 6 ай бұрын
Utley is a HOF simply because he is the all time leader in Mets fan tears.
@peterbjorklund1051
@peterbjorklund1051 6 ай бұрын
The first 10 seconds made me LOL
@DanielJonesToChina
@DanielJonesToChina 7 ай бұрын
Joe Mauer is a hof the bias is insane
@shawnuel
@shawnuel 7 ай бұрын
44.2 of Utley’s lifetime 64.2 bWAR was in his first 6 seasons.
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 6 ай бұрын
Yep, didn't have enough big seasons to make it, plus he has just 1,885 Hits, a modest .275 Average, 117 OPS+, 259 Homers, 0 Gold Gloves..... No way.
@shawnuel
@shawnuel 6 ай бұрын
@@robertanderson2898 I agree but Gold Gloves mean little to me except that Utley never had a merchandising deal with Rawlings. He was an excellent fielder. I mean, Palmiero won a GG after playing 19 games at 1B. Jeter won multiple GG’s. They seem to have little to do with actual fielding prowess.
@MrCjjuengst
@MrCjjuengst 6 ай бұрын
@@robertanderson2898gold gloves😂😂😂 yea they are meaningless. Lots of terrible defenders won many gold gloves. Lots of great defenders won zero
@tedsilversyeager840
@tedsilversyeager840 Ай бұрын
Ever look at Koufax' line?
@shawnuel
@shawnuel Ай бұрын
@@tedsilversyeager840 Sure, but excruciating pain didn’t plague Utley. Koufax had historical success WHEN he was in agony from the pain in his arm. He won 129 games from 1961-1966. He struck out 300 batters 3 times, when nobody else ever did. Utley was a very good player. Koufax’s last 5 years were as good as anyone has ever pitched.
@lurkintomgaming397
@lurkintomgaming397 17 күн бұрын
64 WAR. 6x All Star. 4x Silver slugger. Should have won a gold glove but was robbed. Champion. HOF
@lorimeyers3839
@lorimeyers3839 7 ай бұрын
I hope Chase gets in. Late bloomer, yes, but he worked hard, played hard and played smart baseball. A legend.
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 6 ай бұрын
🤣No chance. 1,885 career Hits, only 5 or 6 good/great caliber seasons, no way.
@lorimeyers3839
@lorimeyers3839 6 ай бұрын
@@robertanderson2898 looks like his chances are pretty damn good to be a first ballot hall of famer. He has 60% of the vote through the first 10% of ballots released. His 5-6 great seasons were otherworldly for a second baseman.
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 6 ай бұрын
Well we'll just have to wait for the other 90% to be voted on..... 10% isn't a lot. That's how it always goes, someone gets hot early, then fades away when the rest of the ballots are cast. Just watch, and thank me later 😁(lol)@@lorimeyers3839
@WolfsDE
@WolfsDE 7 ай бұрын
I am not sure how I feel about Joe Mauer or Chase Utley. I think both men had excellent careers. I think both of them at the very least belong in their team's hall of fame. I know both cases are borderline for the MLB hall of fame. One can argue either way with them. What hurts Chase Utley is the fact that Jeff Kent isn't in the Hall of Fame. When Jeff had higher Stat lines for his career. As long as Kent remains out, Utley's case for it will be looked at as not good enough to warrant inclusion, instead of on his own merit. Both men deserve to be honored by their teams. Regardless if they make the MLB hall of fame or not. Ultimately though the hall of fame is a museum and needs to include as much history of the game as possible. So I do think there should be a wing or building added on for those guys who might not be hall of famers, but might still be close to it. Like the Hall of Fame is the gold level and this secondary hall could be the silver level. Which would put guys like Chase Utley, Joe Mauer, Mark Grace, Dale Murphy, Don Mattingly, Keith Hernandez, Bo Jackson, Kenny Lofton, Vince Coleman and others into a place where they could be honored as well. That maybe they weren't quite good enough for the hall of fame, but still deserve to be honored by being remembered as a damn good player who should be remembered as a historical part of the game. There are probably another 75-100 guys who fit on this list. They deserve to be honored and remembered in the history of the game, just might not rise to the level of the all time great.
@MrCjjuengst
@MrCjjuengst 6 ай бұрын
Kent only has an advantage in counting stats. Kent was nowhere near chase as a defender. Kent has 2 7+ war seasons to Chase's 5. Chase's peak is much better than Kent.
@WolfsDE
@WolfsDE 6 ай бұрын
@@MrCjjuengst That advantage in counting stats is still a big difference. I am not saying Chase Utley wasn't good or even great. He was. But like it or not, without Jeff Kent being in the Hall of Fame, and yes...Kent had the better bat, Utley the better glove, it will hurt Chase Utley and his chances. Especially on the writer's ballots. I know the sabermetrics crowd loves to dismiss all counting stats as irrelevant. They aren't. They tell one half of the story and the metrics tell the other half. To dismiss anything for a player's case for the Hall of Fame is stupid. I am not saying you are doing this at all. I just don't get stuck on WAR as the go to Stat and not look deeper. I know some who do and it drives me nuts. The totality of a career has to matter. The Era someone played in has to matter. Like, it makes it 10x's more impressive what Randy Johnson and Greg Maddux did in their careers pitching when one is considering that so many sluggers were taking steroids or hgh. It makes a much more impressive case that the man who led MLB in hits for the entire decade of the 1990's, Mark Grace, has a big time argument for being in the Hall of Fame. Even if he doesn't think he belongs, many of his former teammates and opponents disagree and think he belongs. Many who are in the Hall of Fame. The point...I don't get caught up by 1 Stat. I look deep into all of them. Otherwise I miss a huge chunk of the picture. Also, understand. My issue isn't that Utley doesn't belong. It is that Jeff Kent who had a longer career, more Home Runs, higher RBI totals....not being in the Hall is going to matter to some of the voters who would look at why is he not in but they are supposed to decide on Utley. I think it might hurt Utley's chances, at least in the short term.
@MrCjjuengst
@MrCjjuengst 6 ай бұрын
@@WolfsDE I truly don't think Kent is super close to Utley. Kent was not a good defender or base runner which puts him below Utley for me. And Utley's prime is significantly better than Kent. Kent has the advantage on offense, but he certainly benefited from batting right behind Barry bonds for the best years of his career and playing in the highest scoring time in baseball. I think both should be in, most hr all time by a 2b should've gotten him in. I think Utley is a step above Kent though.
@tedsilversyeager840
@tedsilversyeager840 Ай бұрын
Phil Rizzuto? Pee Wee Reese?? Both elected in by the Veterans committee.....both, not HOF material, and couldn't even compete in today's game, most likely mired in the Little Leagues....among several other players with lackluster "HOF" careers....
@77777Spooky
@77777Spooky 7 ай бұрын
I have to take a deeper look at some of the numbers, but if Joe Mauer was the best catcher of his generation, than he should be in the Hall of Fame, even is his offensive numbers don't compare to those that are put up by outfielders and first basemen.
@tinieblashistoriasdeterror4963
@tinieblashistoriasdeterror4963 6 ай бұрын
That was a dirty play againt Ruben Tejada, everybody saw that.
@tedsilversyeager840
@tedsilversyeager840 Ай бұрын
Actually, it was a clean play, and everyone did see it. MLB, changed to girls softball after the Utley slide, and made the game unwatchable!!
@derektyndall4552
@derektyndall4552 7 ай бұрын
Why is Brian Kenny always so jittery. It's either coffee or lines of coke
@evilzilla4053
@evilzilla4053 7 ай бұрын
probably both
@derektyndall4552
@derektyndall4552 7 ай бұрын
@@evilzilla4053 Lmao
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 6 ай бұрын
🤣🤣😂😂 LMAO I know right? And he's all for Chase Utley making Cooperstown, he's nowhere near that. Has the same career WAR as Willie McCovey, but he's not 1/2 the player Willie was, no freaking way.
@evilzilla4053
@evilzilla4053 6 ай бұрын
@@robertanderson2898 Utley a dirty player too F him lol
@dennisquigney3809
@dennisquigney3809 7 ай бұрын
Were not putting Chase Utley in if Jeff Kent is not in the hall. Utley has 118 LESS home runs, 493 LESS RBIS, .015 LESS Batting average points to Kent as well.
@Philly0024
@Philly0024 7 ай бұрын
Kent was terrible defensively especially compared to Utley who is one of the defensive 2B man of all time and also Kent has 10 points lower in war than Utley
@dennisquigney3809
@dennisquigney3809 7 ай бұрын
@@Philly0024 Your name says Philly in it so I can understand why you're defending Utley. The difference in WAR is all from the defense. Go look at their offensive war stats. Kent has him and every other second baseman beat. I don't trust defensive war stats. You don't make it to the majors without being able to hit. David Ortiz and Edgar Martinez didn't even play in the field.
@wavedash101
@wavedash101 7 ай бұрын
It wasnt all defensive. Utley was also a significantly better baserunner than Kent @@dennisquigney3809
@MrCjjuengst
@MrCjjuengst 6 ай бұрын
Just because you can't understand defensive metrics doesn't mean they don't have value. They are better than any other method we have to evaluate defense. Don't tell me eye test either that's an especially bad method. Kent is better on offense than Utley sure, but I think they aren't that far apart except in counting stats. Kent also played in the highest scoring time in recent baseball history. Utley was the better defender and baserunner by miles. That combined with a stronger 5 year peak and being an all around great player puts Utley ahead of Kent for me. I totally admit my bias as a Phillies fan, but let's be honest nobody thought of Kent as a hall of famer during his career. He also majorly benefitted from batting right after Barry bonds during his best years. I still think Kent deserves to be in for having the most HR at 2b, but to me Utley was way better than Kent.
@Philly0024
@Philly0024 7 ай бұрын
Best 2B man of his era yes he’s easily a HOFer
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 6 ай бұрын
Less than 1,900 career Hits, .465 Slugging %, 117 OPS+, .275 Average, hit .300 just twice, same career WAR as Willie McCovey (he's no Willie) that's for sure. Oh and ZERO Gold Gloves. No chance in hell.
@Philly0024
@Philly0024 6 ай бұрын
@@robertanderson2898 You forgot to mention he had 5 seasons straight of 7+ War and one of the greatest base runners of all time efficiency wise, also statistically the 7th best defensive 2B all time but yeah gold gloves lol I guess you think Jeter was a great defender because he won 5 of them somehow even tho he was literally known as below average defender lol. Go back to the stone ages. He’s already on pace to make the HOF in year 3 or 4 btw based on voter’s percentage in his first year already so you can cry about it at his HOF speech
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 6 ай бұрын
Yes he did great in WAR but that stat is terribly overrated, I'm sorry.@@Philly0024
@DMalltheway
@DMalltheway 6 ай бұрын
@@Philly0024If Jeff Kent doesn’t get in, neither does Chase.
@Philly0024
@Philly0024 6 ай бұрын
@@DMalltheway Chase Utley was better than Kent and the Voters happen to agree too considering he’s already on track to be in the HOF in year 3 or 4
@robertanderson2898
@robertanderson2898 6 ай бұрын
HELL NO on Utley. LOL it's not the Hall of Very Good. Utley's numbers are nowhere near Cooperstown caliber. 117 OPS+, a .275 Average, 259 Homers, .465 Slugging, ZERO GOLD GLOVES, hit .300 just twice...... Never finished higher than 7th in MVP voting. I'm sorry, but Brian Kenny is off his rocker LMAO gimme a break......... He has the same career WAR as Willie McCovey, but he's nowhere anywhere close to the player Willie was. WAR is highly overrated, Scott Rolen shouldn't have been elected, Lou Whitaker should have, he had a better career. The HOF voters are all on something, especially if Utley makes it.
@MrCjjuengst
@MrCjjuengst 6 ай бұрын
I think you put way too much stock in the beliefs of old baseball writers. Gold gloves are meaningless, many terrible defenders have won multiple gold gloves. MVP voting is also a terrible argument. Mvp voters have made plenty of wrong calls over the years and historically only factored in offense not all facets of the game. Just because you don't understand war doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Counting stats only tell one part of the story and can also be manipulated just like war. Reality is Utley is in elite territory in his 5 year peak. One of the best 5 year peaks of any 2b. Few players have as good a 5 year peak as a two way player as Utley. Personally I value shorter elite careers over players who were just above average most of their careers.
@tinieblashistoriasdeterror4963
@tinieblashistoriasdeterror4963 6 ай бұрын
Agreed! Besides Jeff Kent is not in the hall of fame, so why Chase Utley is a hall of famer? I still don't get it. In fact, if Chase Utley makes it, then Dustin Pedroia should be in as well.
@tedsilversyeager840
@tedsilversyeager840 Ай бұрын
Who would you rather have as your regular, and clutch 2'nd baseman during the Utley era?
@Johnnyhotrockets
@Johnnyhotrockets Ай бұрын
@@tedsilversyeager840Exactly. Utley will get in. Ask the players he played with. Those that say he won’t get in are delusional. They are people that have no vote and their opinions are simply wrong
@tedsilversyeager840
@tedsilversyeager840 Ай бұрын
@@Johnnyhotrockets Not worried at all. First hit in the bigs, a grand slam. His HOF career was written that day.....ran every ball out, never took a pitch off, like say, Derek Jeter?? That should get the Utley haters going, eh?
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