Chatter is Scrapping My Parts, So I Made This…

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TITANS of CNC MACHINING

TITANS of CNC MACHINING

Күн бұрын

This method saved my part with an 8 to 1 stick out ratio.
When machining for the medical industry parts have to be made perfectly.
Using the capabilities of the Tornos SwissDeco 36 I created my own steady rest using the X1 and X2 co-linear Axis.
00:00 Testing 1 Pass and Segmented 2 Pass on 8 to 1 Ratio
00:39 Design and Machining Steady Rest on DN Solutions BVM 5700
01:57 Installing the Steady Rest on Tornos SwissDeco 36
03:20 Testing the Steady Rest with 8 to 1 Ratio
04:25 Comparing the Results
05:05 Getting Ahead in CNC Machining
#Machining #Machinist #Engineering

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@mmabagain
@mmabagain Ай бұрын
I just retired from this industry. If you are young and have the aptitude for this kind of work, this is the time to start. All of the guys in our shop are between 45 and 63. No young people. There will be a huge demand for young CNC machinist trainees in the next 5 to 10 years. The top pay is not bad. I retired at $42 per hour and I was not at the top.
@shaggyrebel8737
@shaggyrebel8737 9 күн бұрын
Based take. I'm gen z raised old school. I always liked figuring out how stuff goes together and I'm autistic AF (diagnosed Asperger's at 7). I started at a small precision shop about 6 months ago and it's by far the best place I've ever worked. I've tried construction, warehouse, etc. So far machining isn't a job, it's fulfilling work. The world we know is only possible thanks to machinists and I'm already proud to be a small part of it. Can't wait to learn more about how the things I mill keep the world turning.
@donniehinske
@donniehinske Ай бұрын
So much fun to show everyone this technique! This kind of stuff is why I love Swiss machining!!! There’s always a cool solution to the problem! Also glad to see Bro Rogan in the video! 😂😂
@BplusJequalsFire
@BplusJequalsFire Ай бұрын
Loving the swiss videos they happened to line up with one of my customers getting a swiss and asking for some help. do you know when the academy is coming out?
@Cassiusisback
@Cassiusisback Ай бұрын
why didnt you just feed the bar into the endmill first with minimal clearing to the workholding to avoid chatter, then do the turning after? are interrupted cuts in brass that bad?
@lvxleather
@lvxleather Ай бұрын
Who makes that brush you used?
@mehmettemel8725
@mehmettemel8725 Ай бұрын
It was a good fix but my only concern is when you have more than one groove there is always a slight burr on one edge which can act like a high spot when against the support pushing work more towards the cutter.In this case it may not be critical but on more precise parts could be a problem.Having said that I've never used a Swiss machine so always find your videos interesting Donnie.👍
@donniehinske
@donniehinske Ай бұрын
@@BplusJequalsFire around September
@tj9382
@tj9382 29 күн бұрын
Calling the tool in MDI to find its location when it would otherwise be a pain working it out, is a great technique and one I use often. Great video btw, and very helpful on so many levels. You guys are great. 💪🏼👍🏻
@75blackviking
@75blackviking Ай бұрын
I always enjoy your machining videos. They're like the "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" for all of us hobby machinists.
@Autonate_42
@Autonate_42 Ай бұрын
Surprised Barry didn't show up at the mention of chatter in the part, love the swiss videos, keep them coming!
@barrysetzer
@barrysetzer Ай бұрын
Oh if there's chatter, Im always around LOL
@user-cm8qx4hf4o
@user-cm8qx4hf4o Ай бұрын
Барри не только болтает, но и делает чипсы, много чипсов. - «Пора делать чипсы!» 👉 Титаны - вы клёвые ребята!
@mehmettemel8725
@mehmettemel8725 Ай бұрын
@@barrysetzer It's no surprise.🤣🤣🤣
@douglascalhoun6471
@douglascalhoun6471 Ай бұрын
Thinking outside the box is the best skill to have in this current environment. Solving problems will get you ahead of all the other people who can not find a solution.
@Sara-TOC
@Sara-TOC Ай бұрын
Simple yet effective solution! Never a dull moment in the Swiss department. Cool video, Donnie!
@Trapped_in_the_Dunya
@Trapped_in_the_Dunya Ай бұрын
When i was machining large thin disks, I figured out that fluctuating the surface speed while machining actually broke the harmonics causing surface chatter. It led to a drop in tool life but the gains in time saved during machine was more profitable.
@lockplace
@lockplace Ай бұрын
Thats what makes this job fun, every day is different.
@ronaldhill7180
@ronaldhill7180 Ай бұрын
I've been watching for a decade now. It's just amazing how far you guys have come. My favorite source of cnc info then and now.
@berniepragle948
@berniepragle948 Ай бұрын
Back a lot of years ago, I used to grind long skinny feed screws at Hardinge. I cut a similar V notch in the handle of my plastic hammer to push them into the wheel to hurry things along (already using a steadyrest). BTW, I was the person that designed Hardinge Swiss Collets and Guide Bushings, back in 1993. Also many other things at Hardinge.
@ManuelRamcanny
@ManuelRamcanny Ай бұрын
Watching this channel warmths my heart. ❤ Still waiting for more Syil X5 videos! 💪
@russellofcnc
@russellofcnc Ай бұрын
Look that surface finish! Very creative solution, Donnie!
@nbieri45
@nbieri45 Ай бұрын
Great video Donnie showing how awesome those Swiss machines are!
@trevorgoforth8963
@trevorgoforth8963 Ай бұрын
Good video Donnie, way to think outside the box and solve a problem quickly and effectively! Nice editing Corey!
@wilsonrawlin8547
@wilsonrawlin8547 Ай бұрын
Outstanding video! New tech using old school fix. Some things never change. You are one smart young man. Wish you all the best.
@gbestwick
@gbestwick Ай бұрын
Who cares about the tool. WHAT DOES THE "FUN TIME" BUTTON DO?!?!?!?!?!? I NEED TO KNOW!
@KylieGranno
@KylieGranno Ай бұрын
Awesome video Donnie! It's so cool seeing a problem and then making the solution, even better when it solves everything. The testimony to giving some extra effort and making moves in the field is great advice, something everyone should look into! Bro at the end is awesome!! 🤣
@Petertje94
@Petertje94 Ай бұрын
love to see Donnie videos! Really hope you could do more cool macro stuff in the future!:)
@robertf6523
@robertf6523 Ай бұрын
1:25 man that's a slick tool change
@ryanbrumbaugh1232
@ryanbrumbaugh1232 Ай бұрын
Ran CAD drafting for 5yrs at my last job, plasma operation and drafting....now run bot forge for American Axle trying to move to the tool room to get back into drafting...these videos help always a pleasure grewt work
@jamesweatherbie3375
@jamesweatherbie3375 Ай бұрын
Dont you love it when you have an idea for machining a part and it works flawlessly
@RogerTurney77
@RogerTurney77 Ай бұрын
Been a Manufacturing Eng. for over 45yrs, Titan is the best source for difficult machining solutions I've ever seen.
@tomrobert2813
@tomrobert2813 Ай бұрын
We done the same thing creating a cradle for turning and milling bone screws over 20 odd years ago. Before whirling heads came to be. Then when external whirling double helix just of O.D. came around.. Glad to see it used again for chatter matters.
@markdavis304
@markdavis304 Ай бұрын
Thinking outside the box Donnie! Nice work! Love the B axis work😎 Also cute puppy
@ericsandberg3167
@ericsandberg3167 Ай бұрын
A great solution to remember when I run into a like problem, thanks for sharing.
@JohnGrimsmo
@JohnGrimsmo Ай бұрын
Freaking cool Donnie, excellent video!
@donniehinske
@donniehinske Ай бұрын
Thanks man! Much appreciated
@adammiller4879
@adammiller4879 Ай бұрын
That is a very creative way to put that steady rest in the correct spot, and on a Swiss, that’s a first for me
@tdg911
@tdg911 Ай бұрын
Pretty slick and nice job on the post.
@robertbest6584
@robertbest6584 Ай бұрын
Absolutely beautiful, I miss school. I so want to get back into machining
@clist9406
@clist9406 Ай бұрын
You guys have some awesome machines and do solid work ! We to Texas .
@jonasroth5278
@jonasroth5278 Ай бұрын
Do both Axis (X1,X2) have a milling head? If thats the Case, can you mill the Slots at the Same time with both Axis simultaniusly. So the forces are equal at both Sides. If the part has a round number of Slots😅 But what machine has two milling heads especially on a lathe
@alexloper3084
@alexloper3084 Ай бұрын
Donnie is incredible 🙌 Absolute legend 💯
@caploader111
@caploader111 Ай бұрын
I guess that machine doesn't have a live center, or it would get in the way. IDK I've never used that machine.
@StefanoLinguanotto
@StefanoLinguanotto Ай бұрын
Great video! I was happy to hear that it can be simpler to deburr on a bench grinder instead of some crazy 5AX movement hahah. And writing your own post? Kudos!
@Kremlins
@Kremlins Ай бұрын
Man that extra little bit of distance to keep the steadyrest firm against the part, enough to support it but not bend that long/narrow part is where the magic is. I guess you'd eyeball it? Dunno
@nathaniellangston5130
@nathaniellangston5130 Ай бұрын
I just spent countless hours of my free time writing posts for an outdated lathe we have that we've never been able to run modern CAM on. REALLY hoping the lathe hangs in there for the next couple years making that worth while!
@noisedecay
@noisedecay Ай бұрын
nice approach. thank you for this one.
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 Ай бұрын
now.. if you want something similar but for turning. you could make another v shaped tool. but this time put some bearings on it. and now you got a support for turning applications.
@rogerthat6832
@rogerthat6832 Ай бұрын
Perfect job!
@shaniegust1225
@shaniegust1225 Ай бұрын
Solving problems! Love it 👍
@kurtdobson
@kurtdobson Ай бұрын
A friend of mine put an accelerometer on his cancer mill, a bit of software to process the data, then the output modulated the spindle speed. No more chatter…
@gregramsey9545
@gregramsey9545 Ай бұрын
Good stuff!
@adamhayes2528
@adamhayes2528 Ай бұрын
Fun video Donnie and loved Bro Rogan at the end there! Beautiful shots as usual Corey! You guys rule
@jammbbs1688
@jammbbs1688 Ай бұрын
I've been teaching myself for a few weeks now how to model and run tool paths used onshape and fusion sofar both have good and bad to them but it's been a ride I'll tell you that but I impressed someone that runs there own knife company I hope he will hire me one day
@vanguard6937
@vanguard6937 Ай бұрын
I recently purchased solidcam to program my L12 and it really has been great. While the post wasn't perfect right away, their support team has been very helpful in getting it just the way id like. But the other nice thing is that it's pretty easy to understand the post and change it yourself when needed. I just wish there were 1 or 2 things I could do, but it's rather minor stuff or stuff specific to the citizen swiss lathes
@donniehinske
@donniehinske Ай бұрын
What’s up? I know the Cincom machines well. Is there anything I can do to help?
@aidandruck2423
@aidandruck2423 Ай бұрын
I'm not really a swiss guy, and I get the point of this video is to demo this specific solution, but why not take more advantage of the guide bushing in this application and keep the endmill in as close to the guide as possible while working in sections? In other words, why feed the tool gang in Z when you can just feed the bar in Z and keep you tool in close?
@DAVE_WHITE
@DAVE_WHITE Ай бұрын
he had to cut 4 slots you'd have to feed a little by little and rotate 4 times these guys want speed to make $$ so this was probably faster in the long run..
@DAVE_WHITE
@DAVE_WHITE Ай бұрын
@@m.f7979 time is $$$
@olevaiti4302
@olevaiti4302 Ай бұрын
The first pass surface wasn't good, but it was beautiful. Thanks for a very good video 👍
@Nck493
@Nck493 Ай бұрын
Really good idea thanks You!
@thomasheine845
@thomasheine845 Ай бұрын
hello donnie, you make great videos. You can also create a 5-axis simultaneous or an impeller with the Swiss Deco ?
@Michaelsloncehammr
@Michaelsloncehammr Ай бұрын
The one thing different I would have done is use the actual profile of the component for profile of the steadyrest.
@matejkuka797
@matejkuka797 Ай бұрын
the method of clamping the aluminum in the vice is quite at the "limit" :D
@camprogrammer9132
@camprogrammer9132 Ай бұрын
how do you decide when it's time to burn an industry partner and exchange them for other one?
@felipe_semensato
@felipe_semensato Ай бұрын
Simple and powerful! Good job Donnie! Greetings from the SolidCAM Brazil team
@MachinistDom
@MachinistDom Ай бұрын
Is that brush a standard tool, or something you made?
@EverythingPrinted
@EverythingPrinted Ай бұрын
That looked like a NamPower brush. They work great, you should check them out!
@tompass8446
@tompass8446 Ай бұрын
Would a tailstock loaded in the lower work aswell?
@blazebicycles3160
@blazebicycles3160 Ай бұрын
Dig that you wrote your own post. How what the process for you. Thats the kind of thing I'm interested in doing.
@bennyfactor
@bennyfactor Ай бұрын
What does the "FUN TIME" program do?
@marios.9191
@marios.9191 Ай бұрын
Could you have draged the ball nose endmill instead of pushing it? Cut with the outside in stead of the center?
@APenney94
@APenney94 29 күн бұрын
When cutting with a ball nose it is better to engage as many flutes as possible which is why he is cutting on an angle. Dragging would only engage about half of the flutes depending on tool diameter and cut depth
@APenney94
@APenney94 29 күн бұрын
I just watched a video from tornos about this swiss deco where they made a very similar part, instead of a steady rest they had a centre in one of the tool slots of the front turret/gang. Was this not something you considered? It was for the same process of slot milling down the side and it had the same outcome, removing the chatter. Im not saying its a better option, im just curious
@coreyb4073
@coreyb4073 Ай бұрын
wouldn't you need a y offset to bring the v to centerline? I like it, its a good stand in for when you cant get the sub over to support
@14rs2
@14rs2 Ай бұрын
Was that a puppy at the end of the video? How can you not introduce us to the puppy 😂
@donniehinske
@donniehinske Ай бұрын
Yes that’s Bro Rogan. He’s our new Swiss department lead
@edk7825
@edk7825 Ай бұрын
could you guys machine the rods of a quadrupole mass filter for a massspectrometer?
@JohnFrazier007
@JohnFrazier007 Ай бұрын
Just curious, would pushing on the part like that cause the endmill to cut deeper into the material?
@DAVE_WHITE
@DAVE_WHITE Ай бұрын
if you watch again he adjusts for it in his program
@jlr0884
@jlr0884 Ай бұрын
I would like to learn more about the post processor myself. I'm just guessing but is it wrote in python?
@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov
@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov Ай бұрын
Couldn't you make those slotting operation before reducing part diameter thou?
@sachie123
@sachie123 Ай бұрын
Are Solidcam basic tutorials coming❤❤
@sportswolf1
@sportswolf1 Ай бұрын
I was using a pin router when I was young and I was holding onto the part, the tool drug me in to the cutter and I have chatter mark scars on my thumb.
@kalebklein5665
@kalebklein5665 Ай бұрын
you were worried about chatter yet milled a piece suspended in air sticking out 12 inches from your vise lol
@nathanthomas8184
@nathanthomas8184 Ай бұрын
Teflon coat the steady . Nothing sticks 2 Teflon does it Donnie? Titans of Cnc keep on BOOMING on
@1320pass
@1320pass Ай бұрын
No more chadder, Barry done ett it.
@danajohnson5993
@danajohnson5993 Ай бұрын
With the price of brass, why are you starting with stock way larger in diameter than your finished piece.?
@mjay4700
@mjay4700 Ай бұрын
Sandpaper obscures all flaws
@darkracer1252
@darkracer1252 Ай бұрын
my problem is that i would love to do this work. MY OWN work. i would hate to work for someone doing this. the work is verry interesting. i just don't want to HAVE to get up every morning. i just wanna come in when i want to. and if it's a project of my own that i want to finish. you can bet your ass that i want to come in. if i am just filling my hours, i will be depressed every single morning. (ps this is the exact line of work i have gone to school for and have been doing for the past 15-20 years. just not in this capacity. everything is too locked down. established products with established tooling. never have to write any programs. never have to problem solve. just produce produce produce.. this is why i am switching to another proffession. i'd have to move to find a company where i can enjoy the work. and i am not moving.)
@atejada320
@atejada320 Ай бұрын
Where can I get the brushes used to clean the aluminum
@EverythingPrinted
@EverythingPrinted Ай бұрын
Hey @atejada320 it looked like a NamPower Brush
@atejada320
@atejada320 Ай бұрын
@@EverythingPrinted nice I'll look into it thank you
@alishihade4751
@alishihade4751 Ай бұрын
You are so smart , by the way solidcam is the best
@michaelpawluk6791
@michaelpawluk6791 Ай бұрын
SWISS ACADEMY!? oh yeah 👍
@tungnguyenba5196
@tungnguyenba5196 Ай бұрын
Can anyone give me suggestions on how to mass-produce such shiny and bright parts so that when they fall, they won't get chipped or scratched?
@Spikeydelic
@Spikeydelic Ай бұрын
1000 IQ this guy
@anthonyr6286
@anthonyr6286 Ай бұрын
Things have come along way since B&S screw machines 🤣
@donizetesiqueira-pezinho7621
@donizetesiqueira-pezinho7621 Ай бұрын
Solução muito inteligente
@billgill85
@billgill85 Ай бұрын
Not a machinist here, but I'm confused. Isn't the whole point of a Swiss lathe to machine the part right at the bushing, in 25mm sections? The travelling steady is doing the same job the bushing would normally do.
@JamesValentineKohera
@JamesValentineKohera Ай бұрын
I'm also not a machinist but I think the reason is that once you've reduced the outer diameter, you are limited by how much you can retract the stock and still have it properly supported in the guide bush.
@billgill85
@billgill85 Ай бұрын
@@JamesValentineKohera that's true, but I think in one of their screw videos, they show the process of machining the raw stock to final geometry in 1 inch segments so they don't ever have to retract the bar beyond the bushing.
@Heizenberg.
@Heizenberg. Ай бұрын
Mill then turn?
@Podchynok
@Podchynok Ай бұрын
Try to mill from both sides
@mandrakejake
@mandrakejake Ай бұрын
Nice solution, but perhaps if it was sprung it would be easier to get a good pressure?
@hikolanikola8775
@hikolanikola8775 Ай бұрын
well that worked well..
@jungofett
@jungofett Ай бұрын
all that chatter at the start i thought this was a Barry video :P
@SpookyMcGhee
@SpookyMcGhee Ай бұрын
Man for a one off that simple it'd be faster in a Bridgeport no?
@Exgrmbl
@Exgrmbl Ай бұрын
tbh, some of the chatter is weirdly aesthetically appealing.
@Saya1418.
@Saya1418. Ай бұрын
Need open source cnc machine project ❤
@DineshKumar-dl6hr
@DineshKumar-dl6hr Ай бұрын
@ollie9709
@ollie9709 Ай бұрын
Everything about this video is wonderful except it should be in milimetres 😁
@hubertqueen1541
@hubertqueen1541 Ай бұрын
Barry and his signature chatter pattern. It would pass. 😂😂😂 JK.
@kmoecub
@kmoecub Ай бұрын
You made a steady rest. How novel.
@danm726
@danm726 Ай бұрын
Ok I give u guys a lot of crap sumtimes but this is a legit good idea.
@hikolanikola8775
@hikolanikola8775 Ай бұрын
how about just taking a lighter cut?
@CNCMatrix
@CNCMatrix Ай бұрын
It's really hard to see what you're working with because the video is so highly edited but if you have an actual turret in the machine just use spring loaded live center. They're like $1200 or maybe evem less from Royal.
@payforwin6697
@payforwin6697 Ай бұрын
You need a spot drilled hole for that which you have to turn down later. This is way simpler faster and cost effective than your method
@CNCMatrix
@CNCMatrix Ай бұрын
@@payforwin6697 It looks like there's already a center in the end of the part, you can also request the customer to allow for one. Also, you can use the live center for many other parts, not just this one and in other machines. I highly doubt cost is an issue as this machine alone probably cost a million dollars not including that Kennametal quick change tooling system.
@payforwin6697
@payforwin6697 Ай бұрын
@@CNCMatrix you buy the machine bc that’s your business and the kennametal tollchanher is for faster cycling time to reduce cost. While the Liveübertragung is just for this. You are right abt the center in the part but that doesn’t go for every part and asking the costumer is time (which is money) you don’t want to waste. So you need bigger stock etc. Why not let them build that and safe time and money?
@CNCMatrix
@CNCMatrix Ай бұрын
@@payforwin6697 So you're telling me paying a machinist to make this doesn't cost time and money?
@payforwin6697
@payforwin6697 Ай бұрын
@@CNCMatrix it does but like the kennametal toolchanger it will safe time and money. I’m not saying that a live center is bad or that you don’t need one but for pieces like this (without a centerhole) it works just fine Annis a smart idea
@bschwand
@bschwand Ай бұрын
How much does the Tornos marketing dept pay you ? 😃
@critical_always
@critical_always Ай бұрын
5/8's of what. Can you use real units?
@marios.9191
@marios.9191 Ай бұрын
Inch. ⅝ of 25.4mm = 16mm.
@jmowreader9555
@jmowreader9555 Ай бұрын
I take it there’s no option for a tailstock on this machine.
@shadowopsairman1583
@shadowopsairman1583 Ай бұрын
No because he made a tool to be a tailstock
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