CHEAP Engine Preheater INSTALL

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CHEAP Engine Preheater INSTALL

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Hydronic heaters, Engine pre-heaters. I plan to install a engine pre-heater and this is how I got the unit up and running in my Ford Transit self build camper van. To keep my engine warm in arctic winter
This video how me getting two Webasto Thermo Top V heaters up and running ( different from the Webasto Thermo Top Z C/D but with the same purpose. )
These heaters are factory installed on a number of different car models my two are from a Land Rover discovery 3 ( eBay £27 ) and a Land Rover discovery 4 ( eBay 99p ), additionally The 0.40 webasto fuel pump from a discovery from eBay for £26 ( different from the 0.22 pumps used on Chinese Diesel air heaters.
These heaters are not as simple as just a 12v signal to start ( apart from Rover 75 models of the Thermo Top Z ), Most need a 'W-Bus" Signal which is part of their communications protocol. This signal can come from an original webasto controller or In my case a third party W-Bus adapter.
At the time of posting I can no longer find the original W-Bus Adapter I used.
Here is a link to an alternative that I have not personally tested but appears a popular option.
W-Bus adapter - ebay.us/ZsHciR
Sell new plugs and terminals for this style of heater
fnltd.co.uk/shop/
Sell spare parts for this type of heater however they are original and can be expensive.
www.butlertech...
Models to avoid are the ones from VW vehicles, as they use a different type of communication protocol to start.
These heaters could be used for a Hydronic heating system, Engine preheater or more. They could be used to heat hot water or underfloor heating or even air heating for a campervan.
#webasto #preheater #wintervanlife
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@carlsadventures2361 2 жыл бұрын

I love these sort's of video's when people take things apart and see how things work.

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

I have a habit of taking things apart. My mind works best when I have an understanding of how something works

@lewisbuckley1694 11 ай бұрын

Mint video. You've saved me a lot of time and research. This is the best van build series on KZfaq.

@MispronouncedAdventures 11 ай бұрын

Much appreciated, glad you found the video helpful

@mrmagoo4897 2 жыл бұрын

Keen to see it set up for a leisure system!

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll have the see what I can do

@stephenbulmer7148 2 жыл бұрын

yes to videos of both ways of using a webasto heater if you don't mind. thanks for sharing you knowledge

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

I’ll do my best. I’ll need to get a few more parts to make a test bench for a leisure system

@benjaminbooth3566 10 ай бұрын

I've watched these two Engine Preheater videos so many times!! My partner and I live in our 2012 4WD Ford Transit full time, and we are setting off for 5 months in the French Alps in November. I've been procrastinating a lot due to not being confident about how it all works, BUT yesterday I jumped on eBay and bought a Thermo Top V from a landrover 3, and the W-Bus comms device! Going to give it a go and attempt this engine preheater install! Thanks so much for making these videos, i'm following them as a guide for my own install and probably couldn't do it without them!!

@MispronouncedAdventures 10 ай бұрын

Exactly the sort of comments I love to see and the reasons I make videos. Best of luck on your install!

@MispronouncedAdventures 10 ай бұрын

Exactly the sort of comments I love to see and the reasons I make videos. Best of luck on your install!

@benjaminbooth3566 3 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures thought I should come back and mention that after putting this project aside for a bit, I have been working on the heater for the last week or so and today finally got it all fired up and working really nicely on my test bench! Had it circulating 5l of water and almost melted the plastic bottle I was using as a reservoir! Still come fun challenges in getting it installed in the van, but when she finally fired up and spat a big cloud of smoke out I said WOO HOOOO! Thanks again Alex.

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

@@benjaminbooth3566 excellent news glad you got it working even if you did almost melt your reservoir!

@Roodoo55 Ай бұрын

@@benjaminbooth3566 did you run into any difficulties? I've done exactly the same thing but it's not firing up. So it's either buy diagnostics or another heater

@johnuttley6215 Жыл бұрын

Thank-you so much for this feed. I have a vw t5 camper on the shuttle bus that has an engine heater that I need to modify to heat water. This has been extremely useful. Thankyou again.

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it’s been been a helpful video for you, hopefully to get you modification sorted

@micheals1992 Жыл бұрын

I can imagine this would be more efficient then leaving the engine idling to defrost the car/van since the heater is actually designed to transfer heat into the coolant, where as your engine is designed to produce power from the fuel, and about 65% of the heat leaves through the exhaust while only 5-8% is absorbed into the coolant, the other 27-30% is turned into motion, although I can imagine at idle the thermal efficiency of an engine isn't 27-30% (the amount of energy turned into motion)

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

This more or less that’s the main reason for the units. To heat coolant faster for the cabin blower. I however use it for other option which is heating the engine for cold weather

@WonderingWomble 2 жыл бұрын

I fitted one to my old smilly face transit.. preheated the engine very well, had a water matrix in the rear of the van as well, so it heated the hot water tank.. Plus I put a temp sensor in the one hose and it turned the heater fan on in the dash board so it de-misted-de-iced the windscreen.. when running right, they are one of the best heating systems you can have I think.. cracking job bud

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

I think they are brilliant little units. I am looking at expanding the capabilities of my installation to incorporate some leisure aspects. Like water or back up air matrix for heading

@WonderingWomble 2 жыл бұрын

Good idea.. I had the advantage that my van was a bus, and already had the heating in the rear so when it heated the engine and the pump would pump it through the rear heater as well.. But YES, it is endless what you can do with the water heater.. looking forward to this video

@glynmeek4830 2 жыл бұрын

Another really useful video Alex thanks, now watch the price of used Webasto hydronic heaters go through the roof as everyone scrambles to buy one to convert to heating there on board hot water 😊

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened! I probably purchased these heaters around July August last year and only finally got round to fitting them. But I have seen the price has gone up a bit since I got them

@TheMattK2011 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. You're obviously a clever guy, well done.

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I enjoy tinkering

@trevorbeale5287 8 ай бұрын

Great video, thank you for posting. I would be very interested to see how you integrate one into the leisure hot water and heating system Thank you.

@MispronouncedAdventures 8 ай бұрын

Lots of options out there for “wet heating” systems. Normally you need to make coolant loop and have hot air matrix for hot air or a plated heat exchanger for water

@vanbuildit 2 жыл бұрын

Great video as always Alex good to know that it could be used as a habitation heater if the Chinese one doesn't play ball...

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful. it’s always good to have options

@nigelwood5127 Жыл бұрын

Yes please

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

Ok, yes please to what?

@PlatisTobbe 2 жыл бұрын

Exciting video!! ...and interesting. Have a nice day! 💯💥🙌

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@RustyRoseAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Very useful video Alex! Been looking forward to this series, I will be doing the same thing one day!

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it Max, stay tuned for part two!

@stevebrown6665 2 жыл бұрын

Another cracking project!

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, it’s been fun. I like playing with stuff like this

@NOMAD-LEISURE 5 ай бұрын

Alex. Did you ever do a video on using as hydronic heater in a camper for heating water?

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Not with the plated heat exchanger method, but I have you when I reviewed the autoterm Combiboil which has a coil in its tank

@nutsandy7183 2 жыл бұрын

Really interested on hhow you would use the thing as under floor heating

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a simple concept but can be a little bit more difficult to implement. Pretty much the heater is designed to heat the coolant running through the engine, heating that coolant in turn heats up the engine block. Same principle applies for the floor. You would heat the coolant pipes running through the floor you installed and that in turn would the heat up the floor itself. Implementing it will be a bit more difficult as it will need maybe additional pumps and Valves so you can turn it on and off. I would recommend checking out “freedom strider” Channel because that is exactly what they have done with there’s

@nutsandy7183 2 жыл бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures Thanks so much for that :)

@JiltedMonkey 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Loved the edit at 4:04 !

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah for some reason I kept saying .35 when recording

@Kiss-My-Aura 7 ай бұрын

PMSL WACKO / WANGO think you mean WAGO ( WAYGO) great vid!

@MispronouncedAdventures 7 ай бұрын

I’m just being on brand for channel name 😂 I do realise, for some reason I do repeatedly in this video add an “N”in the middle of the name. When I often pronounce it normally as Way-go

@drewhodge3820 2 жыл бұрын

I've been looking forward to this video.

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully found it helpful and part two shows how I implemented it into the engine coolant loop

@drewhodge3820 2 жыл бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures Yes it will be interesting to see where you can tap into the coolant system. I've got to find the right place to tap into my Peugeot Boxers coolant system.

@Alivefrom45 2 жыл бұрын

So keen to see this develop, i'm guessing the pump/heater will work in any van. I have been looking in to how i can do this in my Relay.

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m “pretty” sure the method is pretty much all the same for most models. Whilst the engines are different I believe the General principle and layout of the coolant system is the same

@paulgillard2258 Жыл бұрын

Great vid. Thanks for putting this together

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

No problem, I hope it was helpful

@brentsmith5647 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant thanks

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

No problem, hope it was helpful if you were looking to do that same

@ML-jr1yz 2 жыл бұрын

It will be nice a hotwater bench test if you can... thanks

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan. I think I will try and get the parts to do it

@mrmotofy 10 ай бұрын

It would be awesome if you could post in description the part numbers and vehicle info so one can search for them knowing they're getting the same thing

@MispronouncedAdventures 10 ай бұрын

As in the Ford connections I used?

@mrmotofy 10 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures The heater p/n and any of the Ford #'s sure

@MispronouncedAdventures 10 ай бұрын

@mrmotofy my Webasto Thermo top V is 9003466E ( however, that might be specific to the particular model of land Rover as it’s factory fitted ) as there are definitely multiple variations of the same heater. FORD parts. #1804871 - which was the right angle quick connect coolant hose fitting for connecting the cabin heater loop to the heater via a normal coolant point. #2073202 - is a normal heater matrix connector with two sides ( I only use one side) which allows me to connect a generic coolant hose to a quick connect coolant fitting to join the heater back to the coolant loop

@betterthanlastweek9670 2 жыл бұрын

Is there any chance of a review on your water hester from Chinese diesel heater setup now you’ve had a chance to live with it? Love the channel. 👍🏻

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a good idea it’s could probably do with a year of use video. basically it’s been brilliant and just has work and done exactly what it says on the box since day one

@betterthanlastweek9670 2 жыл бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures I’m v tempted to get one myself but would need a device from that Aussie lad as well I guess? What’s it called? The one that enabled Bluetooth and that? Anyway. Would be cool to hear your thoughts.

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

You definitely don’t need the afterburner made by Rey ( Aussie guy ) for the water heater System. However the afterburner control unit does make the Chinese diesel heater so much better

@FreedomStrider 2 жыл бұрын

We might get a second cheap one to do the same...I mean for 99p what have you got to lose?

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

I mean why not!

@palestinianjew4414 Жыл бұрын

Very good video, I have the webasto rop z one you have mentioned, how can i know how to start it, it has two plugs one two pins and other six pins

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

I’ve played with Top Z as well. It’s more or less the same as this model. The 2 pin plug will be power and the 6 pin will be comms. But only a few of that pins are needs. Getting yourself the same little comms box controller I have should get it working. Unless it’s a really old model of the Top Z which can just be start with power on a particular pin and doesn’t need the communication signal

@kubacydzik 5 ай бұрын

So its take 10 minutes for 9 litres for every 10C?

@glennclifton8655 8 ай бұрын

Hi. Sorry to be a pain. Was hoping you could help me. I'm brought a thermo top V heater. Can't find any spares for the heater, does other heater spares fit them? Glow plugs and gaskets. Thanks in advance. Its doing my head in looking lol

@MispronouncedAdventures 8 ай бұрын

butlertechnik.com is probably your best option for spares, they sell every component of the heater. However they are at Webasto retail prices. But the glow plugs and gaskets are the not expensive, Or you could buy an entire secondhand spare heater

@nathan35uk 7 ай бұрын

Hi thanks for the video , when you connect the signal from the w bus controller and it turns on , do you leave it connected and it automatically turns off at 80 degrees ish or do you have to manually turn it off by disconnecting the w bus 12v signal ? Thanks in advance

@MispronouncedAdventures 7 ай бұрын

The units self manages. So it’s will turn itself off when it’s hits 80c even if the w-bus signal is still there / “On”

@monkeymagic4555 6 ай бұрын

@4m40s forgets to add parents are defo not in right now* :)

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

They actually were at that time, because you can hear I think my mum doing something in the background of the video at the timestamp 😂😂

@monkeymagic4555 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures jesus christ! :) only came across your channel when searching about retro fitting these 1st one popped up subbed to you anyway....expect a future barrage of questions :) will get a look through a chink of your content (inc general van stuff) later intend fitting one of these to master WVO on commonrail engines (already done so on VE pump and PD Vags so far but decided fitting one of these 1st would defo be the way to go with commonrail engines. Keeping ahead of the EV push/curve hopefully for the rest of my life :)

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Great units they were Webastos been using it from my third winter now in the Arctic

@gwrclarke 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and very inspiring. I have an Eberspacher D5WZ old heater. I am trying to find the correct wiring for it. The unit has the following wires; Red (thick) Brown (thick) Yellow (thin - used) Green (thin - used) Blue (thin - I think used) Blue & White (thin) Black & White (thin) Red & Black (thin) Please note from previous set up it looks like the Red (thick) and the Yellow (thin) were joined together. As you know there is an external water pump on this model. Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks for your time. Graham Clarke Hi, I have an Eberspacher D5WZ old heater. I am trying to find the correct wiring for it. The unit has the following wires; Red (thick) Brown (thick) Yellow (thin - used) Green (thin - used) Blue (thin - I think used) Blue & White (thin) Black & White (thin) Red & Black (thin) Please note from previous set up it looks like the Red (thick) and the Yellow (thin) were joined together. As you know there is an external water pump on this model. Any advice would be much appreciated. Many thanks for your time. Graham Clarke

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

I’m going to need to look into this. Whilst the way it’s integrated into the coolant loop is going to be the same. I’m not sure of the Pin out / or electrical side for this particular unit

@ecadenas2098 Жыл бұрын

Same here D5 espar, couldnt find control options yet.

@richiebainbridge2608 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you think so. I definitely found it interesting taking them apart and getting them working

@alastairdean226 7 ай бұрын

Great video, I'm trying to replicate this but I think my thermotop v is locked to the landrover wiring, do you have any words of wisdom that may help?

@MispronouncedAdventures 7 ай бұрын

It’s probably not locked to the Land Rover wiring, the Land Rover wring still communicated via the W-bus one way or another However, the issue may have come across as you’re locked out of the heater due to a number of failed starts or fault, needs to be reset via the Webasto diagnostic software. I need to learn how to make the connection cable myself.

@alastairdean226 7 ай бұрын

@MispronouncedAdventures thank you for the extra info. I'll keep searching to see if the pin config changed at any point. May have to bite the bullet and buy a diag lead too

@ducknorris9715 5 ай бұрын

I recently bought a thermo top EVO from somewhere between 2018 and 2020. Got a w-bus emulator and wired everything up. The emulator was working (led light flashing) but the unit did not boot up. i later saw in the w-bus emulator description that it was only working on evo 2017 models. what should i do?

@MyGoogleYoutube 6 ай бұрын

Is there any way to apply altitude compensation to these?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Not that I have seen manually. Although I’m sure Webasto themselves have information. How it can be done if it can be.

@LochyP Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Daft question but I've not seen it mentioned, is there a unit which would work with petrol rather than diesel?

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

There is yes, never seen in the uk but more common in the Nordics

@jeffsteinmetz7188 2 жыл бұрын

Wow…. I paid serious $$$$ for a new Esbacher hydronic heater system. Did you say those were from junked vehicles? How would you set that system up to heat the hot water in your recirculating shower? Would you use a mixer valve after the glycol heat exchanger? What cool water would you cool/temper that water with in a closed loop recirculating shower?

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Your unit whilst costing more will have a warranty! Yeah from scrapped / junked cars. Seems there pretty common I think putting it into a recirculating shower would be reasonably simple. Two variations I can think of. Using a plated heat exchanger so the heater can heat its own coolant loop and then transfer the energy into the heat exchanger which is cycling through a hot water tank, for the same principle but the heat exchanger is inline with the showerhead for direct heating ( with mixer ) and no hot tank needed

@cskeise Жыл бұрын

💙👊😎

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

Cheers

@shaneparsons3910 Жыл бұрын

With your spare webasto z top. Could you run through heat exchanger to produce hot water instead of bobilvans unit

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

Definitely could do, quite a few people use hydronic heating systems for their hot water. It wouldn’t even need to be the spare unit. I could just add a plated heat exchanger to the existing one loop for the engine ( which I have thought about, but the logistics of that coolant pipe routing, make it near impossible with the van already built ) However, for me, the diesel heater is on most evenings and overnight in the winter when I’m gonna be wanting to make hot water for the shower

@adrianbooth9097 Жыл бұрын

Hi, where did you buy the control box you say comes from Hungary, can you send me a link please. Thanks.

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165695890816?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=O6D-X58HS_a&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=JM8rpLNsTXK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

@samshep70 2 жыл бұрын

Could you run a pump from yours hot water system to the engine coolant. With heat exchanges.

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

With my current layout it would be a bit of a logistical pain . But yes if I added a plated heat exchanger between the hot water tank and the engine coolant system yes then that would work without much issue. I did bounce the idea around in my head

@shaneparsons3910 Жыл бұрын

Hello. Do you have a link please for w bus controller. Thank you.

@shaneparsons3910 Жыл бұрын

Found link thank you

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

Ah you beat me too it! Good job on finding it. It’s not easy to find

@jordanhagan1996 Жыл бұрын

Ok this is amazing, but I have questions. I have a B6 Passat Estate, could I install it? Can I install it to just heat the car up for car camping? Rather then the car and the engine as that would use more fuel, I’d rather have the option to heat the car or car and engine or just engine, could that be done? How does it know when the cars heater core is hot enough? I wouldn’t want it boiling the water or anything or causing damage. Could I hand a second tank rather then a spear wheel so it could run on red? How hard is it to install a second battery in the boot so it could run longer for car camping? I know time I’d money I’m more the happy to PayPal you for helping me. I can’t afford my flat anymore, so I think I’m going to live in the car for a few months to save up the deposit to move out, as my flat is falling apart and my landlord is crap

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

Hey, you definitely can set it up to turn the cars cabin fans on to heat up. They normally used to do that. Heating the cab and engine before starting in cold weather. However I might be easier and cheaper for you to by a Cheap Chinese 2wk diesel air heater and install that with a separate battery. More heat and less fuel used. It would be no issue using a small second tank.

@jordanhagan1996 Жыл бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures thank you. I was up all night trying to figure it all out. In part 2 you said they cut off and 80c so they don’t just boil it and with what you said about the cars thermostat and with not having much room in just an Estate and not wanting to cut into it much, I thought a coolant one would be best. I was able to find a genuine VW one that’s actually for my B6 Passat for £50, and the plugs ain’t broke. Think I’ll just do what you did and wire it in separately, I don’t think it’ll be to easily coding and buying lots of control modules. It just needs to do me 4 months till I get some money together. I honestly can’t thank you enough. I owe you a drink for sure

@brianwingham3112 Жыл бұрын

Are there any units to avoid for any reason? C, Z, VEVO etc or are they all much the same and all run with the w-bus or the motherboard change?

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

From my understanding the only one to avoid are models from a VW’s as they don’t use W-bus. There are a few variations as well within each type. Ideally it’s better to find one which has a included circulation pump.

@juliogonzo2718 Жыл бұрын

Could you cobble a Chinese diesel heater controller/board to run it?

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately no, whilst there are similar in someway. Glow plug, fan motor, dosing plug, temperature sensor and so on. They run completely different. However David Mcluckie’s KZfaq channel he has a project replacing the original board with a custom one

@martinnorthfield9358 Жыл бұрын

Have you got a link for the communication unit please

@MispronouncedAdventures Жыл бұрын

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165695890816?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=O6D-X58HS_a&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=JM8rpLNsTXK&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

@David_11111 2 жыл бұрын

yay

@OldFloatingSeaman 8 ай бұрын

Quick question, what voltage does the switch wire carry from controller to unit?

@MispronouncedAdventures 8 ай бұрын

The switch wire is expecting 12V.

@OldFloatingSeaman 8 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures Thanks very much. So if I use a 7 day timer, so long as it has 12v going to the relay, when it ‘Switches’ the 12v coming out should be fine. Very little current and the relay is good for up to 16 Amps

@chillsterdlux 2 жыл бұрын

HOT WATER YES PLEASE

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

Looks like it’s a popular request I will try and sort out parts for it for the future

@David_11111 2 жыл бұрын

where did it come from ?

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 жыл бұрын

eBay scrapyard

@CrashUK28 11 ай бұрын

install it in a nissan leaf

@MispronouncedAdventures 11 ай бұрын

You could it in anything with a coolant loop. Not sure why you would want to in a Nissan leaf being an EV. I didn’t think leaf batteries had an integrated coolant loop like some other EV

@CrashUK28 11 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures my 2011 Nissan leaf heater has failed. it works by heats water in a loop.

@MispronouncedAdventures 11 ай бұрын

@CrashUK28 ah I see, that makes more sense then