“WATER” CHINESE DIESEL/PETROL HEATER TEST: Hcalory value for money?

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6 ай бұрын

In the second part of this series, I put the Hcalory 12V 5KW Water hydronic Chinese diesel Heater to the test after breaking down its components in the previous video. Join me as I evaluate its performance in in test bench conditions. Talking about its uses during winter vanlife adventures. See if this Chinese-made hydronic heater stands up to the tests and delivers on its promises. From disassembly to practical testing, we're diving deep to uncover the full picture of this essential addition to my camper setup.
Unexpected testing was the unit seems to run both on diesel and petrol and even be swapped between the most running. I did, however, break a part of the unit during the testing.
Check out @compactcamperco where I will be installing the unit.
hydronic heater are versatile, they operates by heating a coolant loop, which can be directed through plated heat exchanges for hot water or a hot air matrix for hot air in a leisure format. This design allows for efficient warmth distribution. For another engine it can pre-heat the engines coolant loop warming the block.
It is not recommended you directly heat water, but a coolant solution.
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@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

How many times did a mispronounced the name of ChatGPT? 🤦‍♂️

@epicsmg2682 6 ай бұрын

Just for some frame of reference, ChatGPT is horrendous at maths. I would recommend not using it for complex calculations as it will almost always get it very wrong.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

@@epicsmg2682 fair enough, I would call what I did overly complex so just quicker to feed it up chunk of data. It did take while to get it to interpret the data. I wanted it to originally

@alextop1850 5 ай бұрын

It be cool if you had rain capture to fill your water tanks automatically and heated pad floors of the alternator and solar so free heating 🧠🇬🇧🌍🏆 Great Build 👍

@Tb0n3 5 ай бұрын

AI is going to kill us all not by taking over the world but making us all too lazy and stupid to continue living.

@TinCanCampers 3 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventurescould someone use one of these through a system under the floor and do a hydronic heated floor as well?

@xxxxxxxxxx6903 5 ай бұрын

No Sir, those fasteners are not made from Chocolate. Those are grade-A Chinesium alloy steel! They are made from the finest of recycled Dodge pickup truck bumpers, Frigidaire appliances, and an occasional Americium fueled smoke detector - just to give 'em some spice ☢️! 🤪

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

I do build up the miracle alloy of Chinesium in a good few videos as well!

@Cybertruck1000 6 ай бұрын

If that was researched/demonstrated/filmed by a TV company it would have cost tens of thousands for a team to produce. I assume you are pretty much a one man band and so you deserve loads of praise and respect for your work. Great video...Cheers.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for the lovely comment, just me for the talking, testing, filming and editing!

@PsRohrbaugh 5 ай бұрын

As someone with a 3kw water cooled diesel generator, a unified cooling loop is the dream! I want to have the 3kw generator, the diesel engine, a diesel heater, heater core, and radiators all in a loop! Ultimate flexibility. Some day.... I want to be able to run the generator and heat the cabin, and if it gets too cold I fire up the heater.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

I didn’t think about using a diesel generator coolant and using it for heating

@mikeritchie9081 3 ай бұрын

I've worked out a large amount of information on these units: (I am running it on petrol too) To get them to work in auto restart mode, for a campervan etc, is the setting A-ON and A-OFF My controller (part YWH-B801) allows you to change this setting. Not sure if the other controllers do. To find the manual online search for Hcalory W51 which shows this controller. When in A-ON mode, it ignores the end temperature you can set. My unit always heats to 84c and then switches to pump only mode, it keeps the pump running but at a lower speed. At the temp 59 deg it restarted fine. When it gets up to 84 degrees, it starts flashing the temp on and off. After a while the controller turns off the screen (it keeps pumping however). Once the screen is off, you can press a button to turn it back on, but it no longer shows the current temp, it goes back to settings screen. Its all still working checking temps, etc though. Also, in A-ON mode, when it is heating the timer counts UP not down. i.e. runtime. It will keep running forever until it runs out of fuel. Draws 55 watts when heating, and 20 watts with just the pump running. As per this video, when starting on petrol the first time, it runs for a bit and then coughs out smoke and then restarts. I think this is it detecting its not on diesel and is on petrol.

@ryanzanow8221 5 ай бұрын

Great video man! Thank you so much for your time, money, and effort on this!😊

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

No problem at all. Thank you very much for watching!

@mufreight 5 ай бұрын

Great video. We're using an Eberspacher S3 to pre-heat the forged engine on our company car. Your earlier videos helped us move in this direction instead of a plug-in block heater. I think more people with forged engines might be interested in installing hydronic/circulation/coolant heaters with a $300 price point.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

Glad I was of help! Fired Pre-heater are great bits of kit, I want to show over a number of videos the difference options and costs of doing it

@ericl5973 6 ай бұрын

Water is a better heat transfer fluid. Glycol is mainly used for freeze protection and corrosion.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Indeed, although from my understanding, coolant being a glycol / water, mix is a far more stable medium for transfer as you eliminate some of the limitations of water, such as freezing at zero, or in this case boiling off above 100

@TdrSld 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures The anti freeze does not change the boil point only the freeze point. In a vehicles cooling system its the atmospheric pressure change in the close lope system that raises the boil point. Sea level (14.5psi/1bar) is 212*F/100*C, so at sea level pressures in the system water is going to boil at 212*F/100*C and at 500psi needs to be at around 460*F/238*C-ish. If you're looking to increase heat transfer you need what is referred to as a "water wetter" in the automotive racing world. Royal Purples ICE is one of the best on the market. A "Water Wetter" is a surface tension reducer and allows the water to get closer to the surface of the device you're trying to get heat in or out of. Now I know what you're going to say (LOL's) "the water is already in contact with the rad's/heat exchanger". But it's not touching all of the surface the same way, this is because no surface is a perfectly flat surface, even the glass in your windshield. If you were to magnify the surface of anything a thousand times it would look like the Grand Canyon, and water has a very high surface tension which keeps it from getting down into those lower areas. What the wetter does is let the water get deeper into to the low areas in that jagged surface and in-effect increases the surface area in which the water can transfer it's heat too.

@ChristopherWilliams-fq5ig 6 ай бұрын

⁠@@MispronouncedAdventures Water is one of the best fluids for transferring heat. Look into Specific Heat Capacity for more information. Its limitations are the freezing and boiling point. Water cooled vehicles use a glycol/coolant/antifreeze to lower the freezing point and offer corrosion protection by using inhibitors. The boiling point is raised by pressurising the coolant system usually to about 2bar above atmospheric.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

@ChristopherWilliams-fq5ig aye, that’s what I have said in other comments as well. Water is great for heat transfer, but has its limitations with freezing and boiling point. Which in the context for coolant option is not a great set of attributes

@Swampwild1 20 күн бұрын

Generally you want to setup and test everything with water. Just because it’s to messy when things go wrong. Then use a very low mix as you feel safe, depending on how cold the coldest areas get. Always circulate even without heat. The heat transfer rate won’t matter much, but glycol will tend to create leaks slightly more. Plan for the worst, but once it’s been stable for a few months it’s probably going to be fine.

@EXPEDITIONROVE 6 ай бұрын

Very informative and a well put together video. Awesome work!

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Thank you very much for watching, glad you found it informative

@psyamok3735 3 ай бұрын

learn a load from your channel! Thanks so much. May you have an excellent winter experience @ the crazy northern cold! Cheers.

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 ай бұрын

Thank you very much. I’m glad you found the content helpful! I do love the winter Arctic up here.

@jvinsnes 6 ай бұрын

Excellent testing with lots of useful information!

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Glad you found it had useful information. I try to cover as many points as I think people will be interested in!

@sstoneman5020 5 ай бұрын

I have a Chinese diesel air heater and a Thermo top C water heater. I've been running both on household heating oil for about 2 seasons now and both seem to be running just fine. Heating oil is quite a bit cheaper than diesel if you have access to it. The only drawback, if you can call it such, is the need to plumb in a second fuel tank.

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Yep, heating oil ( kerosene ) would definitely work. And significantly cheaper than diesel that for sure my old house in Scotland used to be heated by it. In a van format I personally prefer the convenience of being plumbed into the main tank opposed to a second fuel type

@sstoneman5020 5 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures A couple of things I have heard about kero over diesel is kero burns hotter and also cleaner as it has fewer additives that are intended to be burnt in an engine not one of these heaters. I'm not inclined to remove and dismantle a perfectly good working unit to find out one way or the other. Maybe if you get bored🤔🤔🤔 Convenience is certainly a factor. Even a small amount of split fuel in the truck can smell for a while. Something you really don't want or need in your camper.

@truebluetravellers 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the rundown mate, now I need to install on the sprinter 👍👍👍

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Best get on it!

@truebluetravellers 6 ай бұрын

I’ll make sure I use that gdptrst thingy majig u were on about too 👀👀👀 😥

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

@@truebluetravellers exactly

@Sosvald 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for an amazing video, saw your other video too where you dismantled the heater. Just ordered myself the heater for my car, a bit hard to start in the winter cold with -30 celsius.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Glad you found the videos helpful and have ordered one. Yes definitely difficult to get a vehicle to start in -30c!

@Alivefrom45 6 ай бұрын

Looking good, thanks for putting this video.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Glad it was useful

@dylanporras2655 6 ай бұрын

Perfect timing for the upload. Just finished your first video on this heater and I'm always very interested in these. I run 2 trucks on waste motor oil and the oil burning community has been very interested in running air and water heaters on WMO/WVO. I'd be interested in installing one on my 7.3 PSD F350 as an engine heater for those cold winter starts.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Glad it came out at a good time for you. I guess since it’s a burner in theory, running waste oil shouldn’t be too much of issue. Although many of the Chinese diesel air heaters, you are able to tune the fan speed versus pump speed to get a better burn via the controller for burning alternative fuels. I haven’t seen much option with this heater to adjust or tweak it / or even altitude adjustment with that being said.

@HenryOCarmichaelSmith 6 ай бұрын

From what I've read they will run on waste oil but not for very long. You'll be stripping it down to clean it shortly afterwards

@juliogonzo2718 6 ай бұрын

There is a guy on youtube who tried his hardest to run an air heater on waste oil and it kept coking up no matter what he did.

@fmemories 6 ай бұрын

@@juliogonzo2718loweredexpectations did try his best....tldr: do not do it.

@MrRatkilr 5 ай бұрын

I have heated a shop with home built waste oil heater. I have two diesel air heaters to heat my garage. I have one of these to preheat my truck engine. I would stick with gasoline, diesel or kerosene to fuel these. Even if you filter used motor oil. Your going to get buildup in burn chamber. Taking one of these out of vehicle to clean an fix is kind of a pain. Waste oil has so many contaminates. My shop waste oil heater was easy to take out burn chamber. Could do that in minutes.

@compactcamperco 6 ай бұрын

Another awesome video mate! Although I only understood about 12% (a failing on my part not yours). Good job I'm going to the arctic with you and your knowledge otherwise I'd probably die!

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

12%? We’re making progress! It’s gonna be a fun Trip!

@compactcamperco 6 ай бұрын

Hell yeah it is! Best bring some spare warm socks

@tramptruck4859 6 ай бұрын

Excellent follow up video and perfectly shows why I prefer a used thermo top C and a rebuild. I do however get your point about some people preferring a "package solution " Regarding cycling when running through a calorifier coil, I have a dual coil calorifier and plan to use both coils in series to increase the heat transfer and liquid volume - any thoughts?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Yes same, I prefer my Thermo Top Evo ( I have taken apart and played with the C model as well ) I do imagine putting both of the coils in series would get a higher energy transfer. Although I don’t know what the normal exchange rate is coils

@floriniancau5766 6 ай бұрын

Nice video! I am not Chatgpt but i can tell you another useful project for you ,make a small loop with cooper pipe under battery pack of truck eventually a termostat to avoid overheating.If you are able to heath the battery you are the big winner.Every start will be great!

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Some would do those these system to make under floor heating. I could see the idea of running a loop of it under a battery for heat

@mandrakejake 5 ай бұрын

An easy way to measure fuel consumption accurately is place the fuel can on a weigh scale. Make sure to support the fuel hose so it doesn't affect the measurement

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

That would work but I’ll need a really accurate scale for it which I don’t have. Easier for me to count doses with a fixed .ml

@MrMad4mud 4 ай бұрын

I have one of these on my Peterbilt with a cat c-15 and so far this winter it's worked flawlessly

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it’s been working well for you!

@mdcbert 3 ай бұрын

Are you able to get it to run continuously?

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

Usually once the coolant loop is up to its preset temperature, the unit will shut down to prevent itself or the coolant from overheating. Although the coolant loop didn’t reach its temperature, it should continue indefinitely. I don’t know if the unit has a maximum eight hours runtime, rule or something like some other.

@AlanKrum 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for another great video and testing the petrol option. I think I will install an auxiliary diesel tank on my gas bus though for the better heat output. Maybe a valve to switch to petrol in a pinch.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

No problem at all. Yeah I think I’ll also stick to diesel in the friends vehicleI’m putting it in is petrol but we’re also putting a diesel air heater in as well.

@AlanKrum 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures yep, I am planning the same, air and water..

@christaunton5675 6 ай бұрын

Heating my 27 foot 5th wheel on the 56 parallel. 2 water to air units and 4 24 inch passive radiator. Works great

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Sounds good to me from my understanding, similar wet heating set up to quite popular in the boat and canal industry in the UK

@mdcbert 3 ай бұрын

Are you able to get it to run continuously without shutting down? I want to do a similar setup but never have it stop, but rather get it to slow down to an idle.

@Swampwild1 Ай бұрын

My application would be a series of 256 gallon ICB totes in the basement of a northern cabin. This is to keep the utilities from freezing and the whole cottage above well above zero during the October to January months. All other months there is enough sunlight for the panels to supply electricity for a normal water heater system. It is a thermal mass system done cheap. Note that a diesel air heater has to take very cold air and heat it up. The water heater is taking ambient warmer air so it is more efficient. The ICBs also supply water for cleaning and showers instead of a winter under ice intake, which has several maintenance and reliability problems. The cabin is only used occasionally in the winter but I need to avoid a full winter shut down.

@MispronouncedAdventures 23 күн бұрын

The heater could definitely keep things above freezing. Maybe need to make a system outside on its only controller to turn it on and off. I’m pretty sure the heaters have a max run time

@Swampwild1 20 күн бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures I will check on that. I’m assuming that the heater would cycle on and off on a timer. Leaving the circulating water pump on always to avoid cold spots.

@v8Mercury 5 ай бұрын

Great video. Thank you.

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching

@rilufuzz 5 ай бұрын

Really looking forward to your next Arctic trip :D

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Same am I!

@van-aventure 6 ай бұрын

hi ! Thank you very much for this video. My van is fitted with an Autoterm 4D heater and an exchanger water heater on the engine cooling circuit. I want to install a system that will allow me to heat the water in the cooling circuit so that I have hot water when I'm not driving, but also to limit cold engine starts when the temperature is negative. This one doesn't look bad at all.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I’m glad it was helpful. autoterm make their own model of engine preheater / hydronic heater. Which is their “Flow” model. If you particularly set on autoterm products. Then you would just need to add some type of heat exchanger for your hot water.

@JeffTurner15678 4 ай бұрын

Opportunity to provide a proper rebuild/replacement kit to change out quality of parts. Hopefully, these manufacturers pay close attention. Great video. Thank you.

@LittleMikeStarCraft 4 ай бұрын

I am just jumping into the video now; plan on watching it through. Answered a lot of questions; this would be ideal for parking my truck in the winter when I can't find a place to plug in my block heater.. nothing worse than starting a cold truck in the dead of winter.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

Quite a few of my friends in British vans are using this unit for their vehicle this winter in the Arctic

@michaelkarlsson9807 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this👍

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@PlatisTobbe 6 ай бұрын

I would have had a lot of use for one yesterday, when I drove locally into Gävle, Sweden in -20C🥶

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I bet! my pre-heater definitely make my life easy when I’m up there

@Defintothewild 4 ай бұрын

Great video, I’m looking for a solution for our 4x4, is there the possibility to adjust the altitude in the screen menu, I didn’t see anything on the hcalory website. Thanks

@ausguy4385 3 ай бұрын

I was thinking of using as a air and water heater... but the water to air is more then the cheap air heaters... and this is more then a stand-alone instant hot water system

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

What standalone instant electric water heating system are you comparing it to? If it’s an LPG/propane one, I don’t think it’s right to compare two different fuel sources.

@divxmaster 6 ай бұрын

Thanks, great video, I had a quick look around on heatso's website for the webasto part you used to replace the part that broke. I couldn't find it, you seem to know these heaters very well, do you have any more ideas where I might find that part? Cheers.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

This is an interesting point as I’ve got two Webasto Thermo Top Evo. The one which broke is a clone of a cast Webasto part ( part number - 1322832A ) which feels to be a sturdy piece of cast material but look pretty much the same However, the one I used in the video is also from my Webasto pre heater and is stamped metal. Its Part number 9001814C which is apparently is from Volkswagen Touran part. which is odd since both of my preheaters are from Land Rovers

@davidcregan4960 6 ай бұрын

Hi , great video, I have the same model which I have had for 2 winters. No problem with the heater but I can’t keep it running for long and currently it only runs for around 6 minutes then hits 80 degree and trips out. Whilst I think I have a water circulating issue would love to know how to make the heater keep switching back on which I currently can’t seem to find any instructions on. Any help would be much appreciated. Great video and thanks.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

My friends recently had an issue where it would rapidly heat 80° and switch off. There was a big enough air bubble in the coolant loop that the circulation pump couldn’t pump fluid all the way around.

@kris668d 5 ай бұрын

The 64 degrees at which the cabin heater turns on, can you regulate that certain temperature? Thank you.

@lifeRobrandom 6 ай бұрын

Thinking about using one to heat up my hot tub!

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

A fair few people have done similar with this type of unit

@MickeyMishra 5 ай бұрын

Call me nuts, but all of a sudden? The Webasto heaters are all of a sudden an amazing price point! Seeing how those pipe fittings are mated to the unit has cemented my opinon.

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Webastos use two types of connections between the pipe and unit. One of them is the exact copy of the cast piece which broke in my video and but I’d believe they probably use a better alloy! They also use the stamped piece of metal which I got from one of my Webastos

@gregmccormick21 3 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures I have a few Junyize brand ones and a couple puff black smoke when running. Have you experienced this with your Hcalory?

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

@gregmccormick21 black smoke sounds like a incomplete burn

@functionalvanconversion4284 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the information 👍pretty cool you can run it on diesel and gas. Running on gas would clean it periodically.

@goldcountryruss7035 4 ай бұрын

You have to account for the mass and specific heat of everything that is being warmed. The 5KW is probably based on the BTU rating of the fuel consumed.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

Which would be hard to measure with the variability of every system set up

@Visionariuso 6 ай бұрын

Awesome video. Would be really interesting if you could do a video of how to connect the heater to the cabin fan in the car? It looked like it had two wires sending a signal when it reached the temperature. But would you rewire it from the fuse box or strght to the cabin fan?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Thank you, one of my older videos is on retro fitting a different model of hydronic heater to my van. The get plumbed into the cabin heater air matrix return line. Which circulate through the cabin heater and engine. The wiring not done myself but id imagine you would go direct to the fan which would just be max but a better option might be to the climate control circuit, then turn the fan on the previous set mode

@Visionariuso 6 ай бұрын

Yes that seems like a good idea. Hopefully nothing blocks the airflow of the fan

@MrRatkilr 5 ай бұрын

It is a low voltage circuit. Would need a relay to drive the cars heater motor. Car heater blowers take a few amps.

@djrrmml7514 6 ай бұрын

Would be interesting to see how a original webasto would perform. If they also deliver their advertised power.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

That’s a good point, or at least if I use the same testing criteria, the results should be the same. I do have a spare Webasto which is not in the van currently I just don’t have the controllers for it to test. Although I would expect different results as this one uses a .28 fuel pump, and I believe they Webasto uses a .42

@jasonpeter2767 2 ай бұрын

In regard to the broken cast piece holding down the two elbows, it looks to me that the hose clamp tensioner may have been making contact with the cover. If so, it was creating upward pressure on the elbow as you were tightening down the center screw. That may have been why it cracked. It should still be a stamped piece as you said. Great video!

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 ай бұрын

That’s more or less the reason. On the Webasto original the centre of the plate makes direct contact with the body of the unit so there isn’t the gap over where the screw is tightened. this version of the hand there is a gap which is why if you tighten it, it can snap I did notice on the Webasto, some of them use the cast part and some models use a stamped part

@jeffsgarage8414 5 ай бұрын

I think connecting this to a mini tank, say 2.5 gallons and ysing as a water heater would be an amazing and very efficient way to have hot water in your van

@joblessalex 4 ай бұрын

Up until you get cancer from all the heavy metals China put in the hose and heater

@smaksymiv4950 3 ай бұрын

Louder than a point of use propane unit I think .

@joblessalex 3 ай бұрын

@@smaksymiv4950 The instant propane is going to be way better all around, but they're also really big and you'll need a second source of fuel to run them. So tradeoffs. I'm probably still going instant since I have the space.

@JoshKilen 5 ай бұрын

very nice job, where did you get the 12v power supply, the victron one plugged into the battery pack?

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

It’s a Victron ip22 12v 30A charger. Great bit of kit

@Infinion 3 ай бұрын

I don't have any big loads that a camper does, but I do have a very thirsty EV with an average of 100km winter range. It has two coolant PTC heaters on two isolated loops (2.5kW for battery coolant to maintain minimum 0-13ºC, 8kW for cabin coolant to air that drops to 1-3kW). Can a coolant heater's main ECU manage two loops or would I need an additional controller with some feedback? Would I be able to choose to heat the battery coolant and not the cabin coolant, or only heat the cabin in some instances? Thanks for all the testing you've done!

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

That’s an interesting question. I guess if you made some sort of valve system, then you could select which loop gets heated. Although it would seem that both of those coolant loops require their own specific temperatures settings, which might be quite hard to achieve with one.

@snoobster1 5 ай бұрын

Could you maybe explain how the blower fan wiring works? are the instructions clear how to connect it to the car blower to get hot air moving? Thank you!

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Quite a few ways of doing it. It can vary between different model of vehicle. effectively you bypassed the vehicles power supplied to the cabin fan or cabin heater controls

@realeyesrealizereallies6828 6 ай бұрын

Might want to consider one of those battery operated pumps from Amazom..I have the DEWAY Automatic fuel transfer pump..4.6 stars on Amazon and $25 when I bought mine, maybe 3 years ago..Still have the original two D batteries in there..I've used that thing for 30 different things...

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I have a mini manual siphon pump which I take with me on trips as they are just generally very useful bits of kit but would be well worth grabbing a small electric powered ones for higher quantity

@JordanMeek1 5 ай бұрын

Any ideal if this unit compensates for high altitude operation? I’m at 8500 ft (2600m).

@ourworldonwheels 4 ай бұрын

Hey Alex 👍🏼 had a thought mate.. you know those cheap “all in one” 5kw diesel heaters, I’m thinking of just keeping in the garage/boot or in storage during summer, not a permanent install…just bring it out when needed..could you use a Bobil exchanger then pump coolant as a pre heater to do “the same” job as the heater your using if I did some mods…circulation pump and fittings inside the enclosure with just a nice quick release tee for flow and return, not sure of all of it yet but I think it could work.?? Any thoughts👍🏼

@tcs7678 6 ай бұрын

Hello. Would it make sense to install the hydronic heater in such a way that the hot air exhaust blows its 200+ °C air directly onto the bottom/side of the engine’s aluminium oil pan, so that the very cold and viscous engine oil is somewhat pre-warmed too?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I can see the logic warmer blowing into the engine bay, the exhaust gases aren’t particularly focused or powerful air pressure wise, so it would have to be run very close to the sump to have much effect. I’m also unsure potentially about the long-term corrosive effects of exhaust gases being pumped into the engine bay.

@iguanamoat 6 ай бұрын

It would likely have minimal effect, since there's not a whole lot of energy coming out of the exhaust compared to the large thermal mass of the cold oil and engine. Carbon monoxide will also build up in the engine compartment in high concentrations, and can find its way into the cabin.

@user-fy6rr6sz2n 6 ай бұрын

Use the hot water loop to wrap the oil pan?

@DIYNauticalDream 5 ай бұрын

This is my first time watching your channel. We are looking this direction for our 52ft Sailboat project, for heating the boat and a hot water heater at the same time. Would you recommend this or better to go with the Espar? Thanks again for the great demonstration.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

Definitely budget is the main question. Espar and Webasto for big budget, Autoterm Flow 5D ( which I think is as good as Webasto and Espar ) This chinese one I think is a great price for what it is. If you have DIY skills then a second had Webasto have be a cheap as £40

@motolab.EuropeanMotorcycles 4 ай бұрын

When you sleep in the same hull as the heating device is running in, i would never trust chinese copies due to possible co leakage etc… they are not (to our standards) certified or what so ever… price difference is not worth my life (and my family’s). If it happens you will never find out though, only family and friends, funeral company, police, etc.. webasto has a combined unit for heat AND hot water (for dishes and shower)

@ourworldonwheels 6 ай бұрын

Am I really late to the party with this ChatGPT?lol that’s incredible!! I had no idea it could do things like that😮 Back to the subject👍🏼.. What I gathered from this is I could basically have wet central heating with this system instead of blown air? Like the Alde caravan/Moho systems, but run of diesel. Mount it under the van, insulate the pipes and pop up through the floor where the rads are?? Plus this can be used via a diverter /valve to include the engine coolant loop so when in cold places like you (I’m planning to)go I wouldn’t need a 2nd engine pre heater! I really want radiators in my van now! Damn you Alex!haha👍🏼👍🏼.. fancy testing a small one for fun??… Guessing any heater “like this” could do that really so I’m glad I watched this 👍🏼 cheers

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I only started using chat GPT a few months ago, but it’s an incredibly powerful tool when you know how to use it in the correct way. maths like this As long as you teach it to interpret the data how you wish then it’s great. Pretty much yes whilst I use it for an engine preheater. A hydronic heater can also be used as a wet system in a leisure campervan set up. Wet systems do become a lot more complicated, but yes, you can have diverters and valves so you could include or exclude the engine for a bit of preheating as well.

@Cybertruck1000 6 ай бұрын

I know nothing about coding but I had a few Arduino projects with stepper motors, switches, potentiometers. I told it what I needed and it did all the coding for me. It would have taken me forever to suss it out. If you haven't done it yet. Have a go. Ask it anything and you'll be amazed. It's improving but don't rely totally on what it says and cross checking output is a good idea.

@lee8652 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for doing the gasoline test! I wonder if a slightly larger pump would work better when running gasoline...

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Potentially, but I would be worried about playing with the fuel to air ratio which is pre set. Since he doesn’t allow tuning.

@motolab.EuropeanMotorcycles 4 ай бұрын

It is NOT a fuel pump, it is a dosing pump… The operating frequency of it does defines the fuel amount it deliverers. That frequency is controled by the ECU on the heater… in theorie you can reprogramming the ecu, but what happens with the lifespan of parts? Like the glow/flame controller? Etc?

@magician2020 12 күн бұрын

You're a Mad-Man with your extreme cold adventures. I'm a fair-weather adventurer. What are you using for your thermal imaging adapter?

@MispronouncedAdventures 10 күн бұрын

Only a little bit mad. That’s a FLIR One LT attachment for my iPhone. Currently testing a different model at the moment, which I’m finding a lot better.

@remnl 6 ай бұрын

Great video. Just wondering, why do you siphon the diesel with your mouth while your heater comes with a pump? Sometimes the solution is easier than you think

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

To get a .28 dosing pump to fill my 5L diesel container running in priming mode ( 5.4hz ) would take 10 hours. These pumps is a single pulse of power to do one dose. They’re not the style of pump you can just connect power to turn on.

@s2000. 6 ай бұрын

I wonder if the fuel pump will last on running on petrol since petrol doesn't have the lubricating properties of diesel. I heard those that have used the normal diesel air heaters on petrol have had their pumps die. It would be great to have a cheap Chinese option for a petrol powered heater, air or water.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I know what you mean, I’ve heard the same said for people running Kero on your normal Chinese diesel heaters. Although many of the expensive western brands do have petrol variants, I don’t know if they do anything particularly different in there pumps either on petrol versions

@williamandersen7000 6 ай бұрын

Have this one installed using glycol and heat exchanger for van water supply. How do I lower the top limit for cut off? 80C too hot. Any suggestions?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Wet heating systems like that using heat exchanger, particularly for hot water you would use a plated heat exchanger with its own Thermostatic Mixing Valve. The mixer valve would dictate the hot water, not the hydronic heater.

@nick-leffler 6 ай бұрын

AFAIK coolent is used to not let the water freeze or turn to steam.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Indeed it is. People often forget about higher boil point than the normal water when running water direct in one of these and the risk of pressure that can create

@ourvanviv8858 6 ай бұрын

You could use one to install a van central heating system, not sure how good if would be but I ain't seen one yet

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Yes, heaters like this/hydronic heaters are often used for wet heating systems in vans and boats

@sprkl4582 6 ай бұрын

Would you recommend a second hand webasto water heater or a new Chinese water heater like this one for a low budget van?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

If you don’t mind more technical project, sourcing parts and more involved go for the second hand Webasto as it’s half the price of this kit. If you just want to fit something then go for this heater.

@maksymedel2569 5 ай бұрын

Hi! Seems like you have a new fan for your channel :) Could you please clarify, what was the consumption per hour on diesel?

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

As round 0.55L per hour on max.

@donaldpetrey3064 6 ай бұрын

I’m looking at getting 1-2 for my boat to also use with my wood stove while I’m on the water 56 N 131W

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

From my understanding, hydronic heaters are far more popular in boat settings, then van one

@gordonwilloughby8793 6 ай бұрын

I wonder how long it will be before they set up one of these for heating water in a camper or motor home for a shower, dishes, etc

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

It’s quite popular and common-ish to do this already, . It’s called a wet heating system I know quite a few which have them set up like this.

@cantor0305 3 ай бұрын

thanks you for your effort, i have an old alde 2921 propan water heater system for my vintage motorhome, it's rated 5,4kw too but for a much more big system and 10X more expensive (3000euros the unit and a 40euros 13kg propane can last only 4 days in continue), so if it failed i will consider this chinese heater to replace it for sure.

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching hopefully if you do consider replacing your old one with this, it works out for you

@DevilbyMoonlight 5 ай бұрын

could the exhaust off one of those cheap diesel heaters be connected to a coil made from copper pipe submerged in a tank, that way your using the waste exhaust to heat the water while heating the space your in...

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Running the exhaust directly through a water tank would in principle work. The reality of how you put it together, might be a bit more difficult. although one of the issues would be condensation inside the exhaust pipe as heater exhausts need to be all downhill for drainage. A coil would potentially trap moisture which would then prevent the exhaust gas from escaping

@juhanrohtla4264 19 күн бұрын

Hi! Could I possibly use a diesel heater for an outdoor pool? I have a small tub (1m3 of water), hope to call it a hot tub in the future 😊

@MispronouncedAdventures 18 күн бұрын

Don’t see why not, it might take a little while to heat up that quantity of water. But you could actually use the maths I use in the video to work out the specific time taken.

@Mr.Engineer. 6 ай бұрын

It is quite cold in Northern Norway at the moment, even in the south. My place had -14°C this morning 🥶 When will you visit my small corner of the world for the season?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

All being well I’ll be leaving the first week of January to drive up

@firionrazar3797 5 ай бұрын

I bought mine more then a year ago, wanted to integrate it into heating hot water and powering it off waste oil, but watching a few videos about that subject made me abandon the idea. The only thing I could imagine using it was in the summer warming my small pool (5000l). I used it about 7 days total, heating the water indirectly through a copper tube and directly, letting the tiny pump suck up the water and heat it. The latter gave me the results I wanted (summer, not autumn). The unit itself doesn't look or feel to shabby still wouldn't dare to mount it in my vehicle.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

I’ve heater of a few people using them to heat pools. I haven’t done the maths but I’d imagine for a pool 5kw might be a bit slow, 10,12 or 16 might be a better option. To be honest I don’t know the normal Kw of pool heaters

@firionrazar3797 4 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures Yes, totally share the same opinion on that. I bought it, didn't find any use for it beside reusing it for the pool.

@thomaswalland879 3 ай бұрын

If the radiators get up to temperature and the unit shuts down - does it continue to circulate until the temperature has dropped and then starts back up again like a webasto does? Thanks!

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

In my tests the pump turned of after 3 minutes ( or about that after combustion shutdown ) I don’t know if that could be changed in settings, or you could make the pump continue manually

@mikeritchie9081 3 ай бұрын

look for my post on here from a few days ago, it mentions all the various settings and what you need to do to get it to do this.

@benarnalsteen4364 6 ай бұрын

At what water temperature does the heater kick in again? Is the "end temperature" and "kick in temperature" both programable? If Yes, whats the range from both? Real helpfull video's btw, thanks :).

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Manual saying “item 4” in “engineering mode” / settings for the controller I have says “water temperature for running” can be set between 5c to 95c in 5° increments. Which I believe is the “end temperature” Item 5 is “self start switch” and can be adjusted in the same method which read to be your “kick in temperature” By default, it turns back on again, when the loop drops to 60°c

@benarnalsteen4364 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures Yes, that's exactly what I meant, thank you for the detailed answer! Are those programming options also available with the controller you use for the webasto diesel water heater? Can you program with that controller also other things (for example fuel pump frequency) and/or more in detail (1degree at a time instead of 5 for example)?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

@benarnalsteen4364 no the controller I use with the Webasto is dump. A simple on or off switch as the heat is generally managed themselves. Although don’t take my word for it, as I haven’t checked, you can make an adaption to allow the Webasto diagnostic software to connect to the heater. If that allows programming of those particular temperatures, I am unsure

@markjaik 6 ай бұрын

Hey! Quick question. How far do you think I can extent the water hose? There is no nearby space on my fiat and i have to run 2,5m up and down. The heater only comes with one 2,5 hose so I have to get an extra one. Do you think all this extra lenght is an issue for the water pomp of the engine and/or the promp of the heater? Regards!

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Applying additional hose shouldn’t be a problem! I believe normal coolant hoses are 19mm internal diameter. Quite a few models of vans. Install these inside the wheel arch even, the bumper to be near the engine. But the extra length I don’t think should be a problem as on the Ford Transit, which also have these heaters. Sometimes built-in minibus version will have a coolant line running all the way to the back corner for the heating, which would be an additional 4 m of length, and then back again.

@markjaik 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventuresThat is good to hear from you. I did find the original space for a webasto heater in the front left bumper. That might the spot ill place the heater in!. Thanks, I bought the heater thru your link and will be installing the cheaper version this week. I found that this version doesnt have the relais and cable for the internal heater. No problem for me, but not really clear in the product info. Thanks!

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

@markjaik yes as far as the internal heater does in this one, you can turn it on and off with the unit if you use the cabling supplied

@rik8508 6 ай бұрын

Do you think it would be possible to use the little radiators (as you have to use your hot water), connected to an air heater and plumbed into the coolant loop, as an engine preheater? I can think of some possible issues, but do like the thought experiment

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Don’t see why not. The outflow of air diesel heaters is warmer than 80° so if you run that through a hot air matrix / heat exchange much the same as the cabin air matrix only in reverse, you would heat the coolant loop

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

The new Autoterm ComiBOIL can sort of do this. It’s got a air heat exchanger for the diesel heater which heats a water cylinder as well as a coolant loop coil / calorifier in the water cylinder

@rik8508 6 ай бұрын

It might be a really lightweight, compact and cheap solution if you're willing to sacrifice the redundancy of two heaters. However, I see possible issues with rust particles in the coolant clogging up passages or destroying the pump, and the output might be too little. I'll look up the Autoterm, it sounds interesting :)

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Cabin air matrix use the same type of fine fin heat exchanges. They don’t seem to get clogged. The autoterm version does look quite good however. I would still have a preheated as well. But could add redundancy

@rik8508 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures I've looked up the combiboil and it looks quite good. I would definitely consider the system if I was building a van with a full hot water system. However, now with my old Transporter, this is definately too bulky and expensive. So for me I'm probably looking at an old thermotop or this heat exchanger idea for the future. Good point on the heater matrices as well. Addition: or this chinese water heater if the price comes down a bit

@AnthonyGonzalez-ym2st 4 ай бұрын

This is pretty cool for a semi truck. Has anyone ran it on one or something else?

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

There are a few vans with winter in the Arctic uses it

@capotorodaniele 5 ай бұрын

hello good morning excellent video, I have the same heater with the same display, but I have a problem, once it reaches 80 degrees it turns off and never starts again, do you know if there are any adjustments to make? I tried every way, thanks in advance

@johgude5045 4 ай бұрын

Same question here

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

This is an odd one. As I have its turn back when I was doing something else when the coolant temp dropped, but other times when I wanted that to happen it didn’t. When I can find it in settings I be hard to know if it’s worked or not

@mikeritchie9081 3 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures its the A-ON and A-OFF setting, I think only some controllers can see that. In the manual it shows the ones that can.

@jeffsgarage8414 5 ай бұрын

Is there any reason to not run it exactly like your setup here as a water heater in a van? I could hook it to a 2.5 gallon or so insulated water tank and use it as a mini-tank water heater for the van. Any reason running straight water rather than coolant would cause issues? Then id just drain and blow out the lines for winter. I plan on having a completely separate diesel air heater to heat the van

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Yes, water does not have great properties apart from thermal transfer, it freezes at zero, and since the heater is external, if it was not on, it would freeze and potentially crack the water jacket. Water also boils at 100°, which could put pressure into the system, which could be dangerous. Additionally, water is corrosive, you would potentially see issues inside the casing over. You could take the precautions to drain in the winter, but it corrosion and boiling may still be an issue

@jeffsgarage8414 5 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures so maybe a better option would run this with coolant then run some sort of heat exchanger to heat eater with the coolant from this system

@user-pl2ru8rl7h 5 ай бұрын

Amazing video.can anyone tells how to make run more than 1 hour ,to make run at least 8 hours.the settings is only for 40 minutes i set up for 1 Hour then must reset the timer from remote and keeps going 1 hour more.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

Which controller? I found there is a lot of different between them

@michaelkarlsson9807 4 ай бұрын

Hey, that's me with the subaru. Installed it now and everything works fine, but I think the ecc starts too late.. If it's really cold, it barely has time to start within an hour. When I install ebersb. on new cars now so the ecc starts almost at once. Is it possible to adjust the start temperature in some way? Otherwise, I am thinking of connecting the ecc start with the circulation pump.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

If that’s the case, you could probably do, as you said, connecting the ECC to a circulation pump, or whatever your trigger is to turn on the hydronic heater. It seems hydronic heater, heavily prioritises engine heat first.

@michaelkarlsson9807 4 ай бұрын

Hi again.. 63 degrees might be quite good.. maybe drill a little bigger hole in the engine thermostat for better flow.

@michaelkarlsson9807 4 ай бұрын

Tested now in reality from 0-63 celcius took 33 min. The thing is that I am not a direct wilderness person but want to have a defrosted car in a fairly short time as I have quite close to work and want to save the battery as much as possible. Ah not going to stalk you, just got this interest for now..New challenges coming soon😀👍

@carlmorton2556 6 ай бұрын

What is the sound level of that pump do you think you damaged it running dry as it seem very noisy to the hot air equivalents I’ve been fitting for ten yrs main problems fuel pump failures and sooting up if not adjusted properly,I did try running one on kerosene but the pumps don’t like it as lack of lubricants nice video you always have to reverse engineer the Chinese stuff as they make everything out of monkey metal

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

In person sounds pretty identical to the many .22 Chinese pumps I’ve got. I guess normally you don’t run them in full view so you can directly hear them. Obviously it’s extremely loud when I attach the microphone to it directly, but that’s because of the vibration physically through the microphone not the audible noise. Yes, the more common issue I come across is suiting up due to per installation, usually, with first time, DIYers putting some type of air restriction due to overly long or bending exhausts or intakes, which would mess with the burn ratio. I had my first pump fail last week in my main heater, but that was after almost 4000 hours

@spwim 4 ай бұрын

Not sure if anyone mentioned this before but since petrol has about 10% less Energy density so I would imagine running it on petrol it would require the frequency of the pump to be at 6Hz instead of 5.4Hz

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

I mentioned in the video, the calorific content of petrol is around 10% less, but out heat wise I was getting was about 20%. Which is probably because of that, and that it probably less effective at burning petrol without tuning

@spwim 4 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures in the case of inefficiënt burn, there would be some excess petrol in the fumes giving you that classic "Ford Taunus" smell 😉 (not sure if you were able to notice this?) I'm thinking also maybe the viscosity of the fluid has an influence on this pump? (So if the pump is also 10% less effective, this would add up, right?)

@dquam3885 Ай бұрын

After watching a couple of these Chinese heater vids, it seems the upshot is they work good if you replace the junk parts with Webasto peices.

@MispronouncedAdventures Ай бұрын

I mean, it could be possible quite a few parts are the same design, but it would be probably be easier to find webasto parts though than replacement parts for this

@mymobile5014 4 ай бұрын

So right off the bat it's designed as a vehicle cooling system heater. I am looking for something to heat water in my calorifier when the engine is off for washing, showering etc. But it could still heat the engine block too. Are there reasons it could not be used in that way? You seem to suggest at the very end that this can be done.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

Not necessarily just for pre heating engine. Hydronic heater are for engines or leisure use for wet heating. So it will work in the way you want with a Calorifier. Just use a mixer on the Calorifier to control output water temperature and not the heater

@mymobile5014 4 ай бұрын

I don't know what that means about the mixer, but I'll work it out now I know it can be done. I've just recently found hydronic heaters and they solve a massive problem for me in the future. Thanks :)@@MispronouncedAdventures

@superslick5677 4 ай бұрын

Thats a nice bit of kit. I have the there diesel heater and use it to heat my house, it does a good job but it would be nice to have this as well and have it go into my central heating system. How much louder is this than the heater? It sounds very loud on the video.

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

You could heat central heating with it. But depending on the side of the central heating system. 5kw unit might not be enough

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

It is a rather loud unit compared to my Webasto Thermo top

@superslick5677 4 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures the biggest down side is not having control over the water temperature, I have a cdh and I am making a heat recovery system from the exhaust to pass through a 10L tank of water, then pump this around the central heating system, I have a small 2 bed house with 4x1200/500 rads and 2x600/500 rads, I fitted and installed the whole system and the boiler so adding this in would be easy. Would be a lot cheaper than gas in the current UK market

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

@@superslick5677 to get control over the temperature could you not use a thermostatic mixer valve after the heater? “Hot water” being the output of the heater and “cold water” being the return from the Central heating?

@superslick5677 4 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures there are Definitely ways to make it work, using a tmv would be better on a domestic water system, so if you was going to use it for a shower or washing your hands, but for a central heating system you would need it to be hotter, and ideally for the unit to stay on say all night if it was -5c outside, the unit you tested switches off at 80c. It would be better to have the water heat up to say 65c and stay there but the unit ramping down but still staying on. Unless the unit you tested can be set up so your max water temperature is say 65c and then it turns off but then comes back on when it drops down to say 58c???

@kubacydzik 2 ай бұрын

Do am I correct? 9L , every 10C up take approximately 3,5 minutes?

@MispronouncedAdventures 2 ай бұрын

It’s time taking has quite a few variables. But if you use the maths, I use the video, you should have a pretty accurate timing.

@mdcbert 2 ай бұрын

Do we know how many amps this runs with at 12v at full speed but after the glow plug has shut off?

@mikeritchie9081 11 күн бұрын

55 watts when heating. 20 watts when not heating, but just in the water circulation mode (A-ON mode on controller)

@andki234 3 ай бұрын

Tried to figure it out in the manual and you have not done as it says with the exhaust and angle of the fuel pump. So how important is that? I guess they are worried that unburnt fuel can get stuck int the exhaust pipe and bubbles in the fuel lines?

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

Both are important. Fuel pump angle is more important. Being a dosing pump, it creates cavitations with each pump. Wrong orientation, or angle of the pump can allow those citations to form into a larger bubble inside the pump which then stops the fuel moving. Exhaust is a number of factors it should always be downhill so condensation doesn’t fill up the pipe and block it. Additionally, adding too many bends curves or making it too long will restrict airflow and potentially mess up the burn efficiency in the unit causing it to Soot up

@andki234 3 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures One other question it specifies 12V input voltage. Will it take fully charged battery 14.4V?

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

@andki234 yes, it uses “12 V” input vaguely as the 12v range opposed to a particular voltage

@andki234 3 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures So 14.4 is OK :)

@ghoustcutter9564 6 ай бұрын

I think there is an error in techical parameters for 12kw model. It sayz that fuel consumption is 12l per hour witch is not correct i think that is 1.2 liter per hour, correct me if i am wrong.😀

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I also clocked that! Or that beast is a particular hungry one! But considering the 24 V version of the same heat was 1.2L imagine it’s a typo

@Paprepper411 6 ай бұрын

So basically i can put this in my trailer and have it warm up my shower water and there's no need to use it in a vehicle? Im off grid and looking to get one.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Yes, although I don’t recommend using it to heat water directly. They are designed to heat coolant loops for a wet heating system in that format, which would have a type of heat exchanger to turn the hot coolant into hot water. In this case, I use just water to measure the output of the unit. The part one video I bring up the uses of the heater. units like this are based outside of the vehicle and if you’re running just water in cold conditions and the heated being off, you would likely have issues with water freezing and cracking the heater

@deanperry978 6 ай бұрын

is this any good for a hot water system for shower in a van? especially your loop style shower set up,

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I would not run water directly through these units, these units are based outside, so any time it was below zero, and the unit wasn’t on the run, the risk of water freezing directly in the water jacket and damaging, and cracking the heater. You could use a coolant loop and a plated heat exchanger, which would give you hot water. Is 3.9kw ( when running diesel ) enough for a shower directly? Potentially. When I’m working in Malaysia, the electric showers are lovely, hot and powerful and they are their energy is 3.6kw output but their input source water is a lot warmer. If you had the right balance of flow, then potentially yes

@deanperry978 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures was thinking you could mount internally of the van with exhaust going out like the heater and running it to a water tank for use in shower and sink. i bought a whale water heater (gas) and was a waste of time and money so looking for the best but not expensive hot water system. is your bobble set up still working well?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

@deanperry978 I would say you should never have a diesel heater with its exhaust connection or combustion air connect based inside for safety reasons. Yes, my bobil system is still working well.

@user-fy6rr6sz2n 6 ай бұрын

The answer is yes! Seperate loops, the diesel heater pumps an anti- freeze loop or coil in a freshwater tank, your showers pump consumes the hot water. 80c is too hot to hot for a shower, might have to turn it off after reaching 50c or so.

@JeffTurner15678 4 ай бұрын

I would expect to see anywhere from 80% to 87% combustion efficiency, stack losses for most oil heating systems run 15 to 20%. Believe diesel is around 138,000 btu per gallon rounded up a bit by about 500 btu and it will vary slightly. Very slick setup. Very interesting on them sooting up at low fire mode. Guessing that the fan controller not able to regulate volume of mass of air required for optimum combustion properly. Be curious to test with combustion analyzer to see what excess air is on these units at low and high fire. I would also test see where the CO at for low fire guessing higher than 50 ppm. Once, excess air is known think one might be able to figure out better way to regulate air better would most likely require dampening control for low fire. It is common for most oil combustion processes to run with high excess air at low fire conditions and at full fire rate it is far easier to lower amount of excess air more towards theoretical requirements, no absolutes. Makes sense on gasoline lower exhaust temps seen. Only about 120,000 btu per gallon. Factor for combustion efficiency and should match well to your data. Think I would be bit leery running off gasoline just such a highly volatile fuel. Would love to see close up views of how it connects to vehicle cooling/heating system, hard to see in video. Very interesting setup. Thanks!

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

It’s seems with there hydronic one they can be tuned unlike air heater versions. So you can have a better burn at low and reduced the sooting issue. As for petrol. maybe companies have made petrol versions for years. But I would personally prefer running diesel

@MispronouncedAdventures 4 ай бұрын

I have some older videos on the channel about how to install them in vehicles

@karlmabe1649 6 ай бұрын

Iv got one of those victron chargers 15 amps. Ps take loads of spares with you for fellow brits

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Are usually always carry that charger is very convenient for different jobs and I carry a full a full spare diesel heater and engine heater. As last year. I did have to lend out parts of British van

@karlmabe1649 6 ай бұрын

@MispronouncedAdventures I know it's abit like a old marine engine I keep double of everything

@danielkarlsson8898 5 ай бұрын

Pure water has better heat transfer, we are using the glycol for the water not to freeze, lube the system and for rust prevention in the engine block.

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Very true, as well as increasing the temperature which the liquid boils as well

@anthonygray5581 6 ай бұрын

Would that be worth trying again to heat a radiator....

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

In the boat world, it’s more popular to do wet heating systems using a heater like this to heat radiator loops

@tkr.services 6 ай бұрын

With this unit can you change the temperature the water reaches? I know you can’t with the Webastos

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I would need to dig the manual, but I believe it says you can set the point it aims for from 40 to 95°. I would need to get the manual out again to check the writing.

@tkr.services 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures I’d probably go for this kit over the webastos cause it’s not much price difference and it would be ideal to change the target temperature and temperature it kicks back in at

@vitabenes148 5 ай бұрын

What about to try heat house radiators with this hydro heater?

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

Definitely can be done. from my understanding that’s more popular in the boating community than the van one, but wet heating systems are common in some varieties of motorhomes

@vitabenes148 5 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures I want to try IT to heat my workshop and stabble. IT looks like very easy to clean burning chamber, si I maybe try to burn some waste oils. 🤔

@MispronouncedAdventures 5 ай бұрын

@vitabenes148 it’s not too difficult to clean the units. However, my thoughts would potentially be that units, burning waste oil might need the ability to tune them which I don’t think you can do in this model.

@vitabenes148 5 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures burning oils Is not a problem, if you can manualy regulate the airflow And Fuel intake. It looks, the tube has more friendly shape for burning oils, than the air heater.

@mdcbert 3 ай бұрын

Okay, good. I want to e a m me to turn it on, roll through my heater core, then through a heat exchanger for my hot water heater then return, with a stand alone thermostat set for 160°F that will let some hot water exit into the rest of my cooling system, and cooler water will mix in right before the heater water entrance. I have a big bus…

@MispronouncedAdventures 3 ай бұрын

That seems a reasonable way of doing it. Many people have hot water tanks with a coil in as part of hot water system.

@HA05GER 6 ай бұрын

What am I missing on the maths 4kw in 6 mins is a 40kw heater. Are you working out the the energy required to make the temperature change or are you working out the capacity of the heater during the heating period.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

I’m / it works out the power ( in watts ) of the heater output to heat a determined the volume of water between two known temperatures with a knowing the amount of time required to do so. The capacity of the heater is a far more interesting value when you’re comparing the actual output of the heater versus the advertised output of the heater, or other models of heater. Energy required to do would be difference and less useful information in this particular calculation for most users, although I guess you could use that information along with the known energy in diesel to work out the efficiency of the heater, if you wanted to. Although the calculation used by ChatGPT actually worked out the energy required to heat the known volume of water between two temperatures in Joules. It then takes the known quantity of energy needed along with the time taken to work out the heater output. Whilst I used to chat GPT, there are multiple online calculators, which also work out the same calculations for you. It’s just far quicker to enter multiple bits of data into ChatGPT

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

The reason for working it out, is it advertised as a 5 kW heater, it was interesting to see if it actually performed advertised. Given the Chinese air heaters are also advertised as 5 kW diesel heaters yet based off a 4 kW diesel heater but design

@Mr.Engineer. 6 ай бұрын

Would be nice to see you test one of the 10kw to 30kw Webasto or Eberspächer units whit vegetable oil, motor oil, hydraulic oil and so on. They have a a high pressure fuel pump for proper atomization of the fuel. I have two 25kw units and one 10kw unit, if you swing by I might lend you one for testing until next time you swing by :D

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

What are heating with a 25kw unit?

@Mr.Engineer. 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures Heading? It can be installed in any heading you like, or did you mean reason or meaning?

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

Sorry typo. Yes heating. I just wanted to know as for far larger engines people might use 10 kW or 16 kW heaters. Wondering what bit of machinery was being heated with 25kw

@Mr.Engineer. 6 ай бұрын

@@MispronouncedAdventures My mistake, I have two 30kw units and one 16kw or 10kw unit. My first 30kw unit I bought second hand from north in USA, was used on a big diesel locomotive. The brand is Spheros which basically is a Webasto. My plan then was to use it on my Land Cruiser HJ61 as an extremely fast engine pre-heater because why not, but never got around to it. My second 30kw unit is a webasto one, bought it second hand from a guy using it to heat his pool during the cold season. Bought it just because the price was right and it probably comes from a bus or small vessel. The 10kw or 16kw unit I bought second hand from a Scania lorry because it is smaller in size and easier to fit under the hood of my Land Cruiser. I am planning to build an outdoor wooden hot tub heated by firewood but also a diesel heater for when I don't have time to fire it the whole day to make it ready. Maybe I will but one of them in use to heat my home on used vegetable oil, don't know yet. At the moment none of them are in use, just collecting dust.

@MispronouncedAdventures 6 ай бұрын

@Mr.Engineer. That makes a lot more sense! Definitely good for heating extremely large bits of machinery if that’s size or large volumes of liquid like a pool or hot tub.