@destroyerproductionsandrec2127 I have the 2x12 Vert and yeah, they're never on sale so full price. I don't regret it though, paired with a Fireball 25 it sounds amazing.

While I prefer plywood for it's strength, you are correct. MDF is significantly acoustically superior. Soundwaves hit MDF and decay gracefully whereas when they hit a hard surface like plywood, they shatter and produce obvious distortion. Ironically, because the speed of sound for plywood resonance is at around 700 to 1000 Hz, even though people build subwoofer boxes out of MDF, it's the one specific place plywood kicks it's ass. I've built sub boxes out of both, and the plywood boxes always have better SPL, sound cleaner and just all around superior performance. I knew a guy about 10 years ago that took my advice, built a monstrous subwoofer cabinet for his truck double layering the plywood, and without trying, took home 1st place in his city's bass-war competition. I have a lot of cabinets, some plywood and some MDF, and the MDF is just blatantly superior. The same speakers in an MDF box with poor low frequency reproduction having swapped them myself into various boxes suddenly produce low end spectacularly whereas in the plywood cabinets, they distort and the wood shutters. The remedy is packing the cabinet with batting or paneling the inside with foam rubber matting or even carpet. I have a 2x10 plywood cabinet loaded with Jensen MOD greens, and after I stuffed it with batting, it sounded phenomenally better. I actually grew to favor 10's over 12's even though I have a ton of combos loaded with them and four 4x12 cabs. Monday, I scored a Crate GX1200H head with a full sized 4x12 cabinet made of plywood. That series head traditionally came with compact 4x12 MDF cabinets. After cranking it really loud enough times, it's inevitable; I will have to buy a bunch of cheap Walmart pillows, rip them open and stuff them inside, or line it internally with foam rubber or carpet lol. Those heads are 3-legged mutts racing greyhounds until you mod the EQ capacitors and resistors, and add a midrange control to the lead channel. After that, they are the ultimate sleeper amp even being solid-state, but one way or the other, they produce so much bass that the cabinet is a shattered wall of noise when I crank it.

This reminds me of the guy who replaced the "cheap" MDF speaker baffle with plywood in his Silverton amp because the screws had ripped out, but it ruined the sound - sometimes "cheap" is better?

@@pharmerdavid1432 furniture grade MDF isn't exactly cheap when it's made correctly like waterbed frames from the 80's as opposed to a particle board TV stand; I've seen good quality MDF, and strandboard, get sopping wet without experiencing any damage whatsoever. MDF is flat out acoustically superior for anything over 300 Hz because soundwaves don't shatter when they strike it but they do when they hit plywood. Around 300 Hz and under, the waves don't shatter when they hit plywood which naturally resonates within this range. I like a heavy duty plywood cabinet but even then, I also like the sound of well made MDF. I have cabinets made from furniture grade birch, from MDF and I have cabinets made from yellow pine. With the right speaker, the distortion and reverb/resonance from yellow pine plywood sounds great, but I still stuff those cabinets with pillow batting. You still get the rattle and shattered effect when the waves strike it but it's cleaned up a bit so you can literally turn your amp up to 11. You can also use stuff like foam rubber floor mats or shag carpet. MDF doesn't need stuffing and causes the soundwaves to break up and decay gracefully. The bottom line is your soundwaves will always distort less with MDF compared to plywood and often sound more musical and defined. I like the sound of both and have at least a half dozen various guitar dedicated cabinets with a great variety of the 3 materials. *Neither is superior or inferior in any regard unless you happen to buy something ancient and a piece of shit lol.* I think plywood that's strategically dampened with material like foam rubber and has architectural wood or MDF bandpass panels inside sound the best, but nobody has ever gotten too fancy with 4x12 and 4x10 cabinets when it comes to commercially built. From my perspective as both an engineer and a musician, just stuffing 4 speakers in a sealed box is a complete shit design lol.

if you want an informative video. watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill.

Hifi speakers are designed to reproduce recorded music as accurately as possible. They are designed to reduce resonance and add as little color to the speaker as possible. These cabs are musical instruments, the wood colors and enhances the sound, the wood is part of the sound, a completely different design and purpose, you do want your musical instrument to be made of MDF, any real wood would be superior. So no, there is NO ONE who would prefer an MDF Cab no portion of the time unless you are after a very low quality sound.

@@darkscience1466 Bull Shit.

Its 2023. Touring musicians view 4x12s as stage props. None of them are heavy when there aren't any speakers inside. *Plot Twist* The floor monitors they're actually using have plastic enclosures.

@@darkscience1466real wood isn’t necessarily “superior” as tone is really subjective.. some people may need or want the more flat response of MDF built cabs and I wouldn’t knock them for that. I do agree that plywood can give you more specific tone responses in certain frequencies but, so does the overall size and construction of the cab itself.

Yeah they are ! This person probably just never heard of 5hem. They have been used by bands and mystic concerts and festivals since the 70’s and are the top of the line drivers in the black label behringer speakers that came after Music Group took over Midas and Turbosound etc.

This is your personal likings, in fact as of today most metal-heads prefer high end cabs like Mesa, ENGL, Marshall, HESU etc, often with Celestion speakers in them and often with V30´s, those cabs are all made out of plywood and not MDF. All those cost more than 800 euros if we are talking about 4x12 cabs, this cheap Bugera cab does not even cost 200 Euros, its the cheapest 4x12 you can get, and no, it does not sound good in any way compared to an expensive cab. If there would be something in what you are talking about there would be Bugera cabs in every studio and on most stages, but it's not. it's mostly V30´s, or any other more expensive Celestion, in general.

​@HearGear I've owned many high end amps and cabs and now running Bugera head and Bugera 2x12 cab. Sounds bloody awesome and stands up against the more expensive stuff. Yeah sure, Hesu etc. sound really good too but 4 times as good as the price? The answer is no. The other point I would like to make is Bugera are in many studios these days.

@@meagainokay7673 Its all about what speakers there is in the cab these days even cheap brands put Celestion Vintage 30´s in their cabs, of course to a higher price but still way cheaper compared to high end brands, this video is not just about the brand, its about this specific speakers I got in this Bugera, they are not good in any way.

​@HearGear Yeah, I guess you can get lucky and unlucky with any speakers of the same brand. The V30's you're referring to in cheaper cabs are the Joyo and Harley Benton. They sound pretty good too, although the speakers didn't sound good in the early days before China manufacturing updated the cones. My plan now is to get a Hesu 2x12 and run it with the Bugera 333XL Infinium. I might even try running both cabs.

Probably cause you dont know anything better lol

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sounds amazing compared to what?

Mesa’s Black Shadow 12” speakers say Celestion International and are not Chinese. Also those Turbosound speakers are far superior to those v30’s IMHO

I was thinking the same thing, but since they are discussing 4 x 12" cabinets I assumed it was about high powered amp cabinets. I prefer solid pine cabinets, or even better - solid redwood like Gibson used on their classic amps from 1955-1962 (before and beyond?). The cabinet resonates and sings with the solid wood, a plywood cabinet sounds harder, while and MDF cabinet wouldn't color the sound and probably softer attack? I have a Marshall JTM-1H which is a mighty one watter that gets the JTM sound. I was dubious about getting it, but everybody was raving about its sound, so I got one - they weren't lying! People say if you plug the JTM-1 into a Marshall 4 x 12" with greenbacks it roars - I have an Avatar convertible cab (now closed) with a greenback, and I can't believe the sound. Incredibly the 1-watt is too loud for a quiet neighborhood like mine, so I have to use the .10 watt setting to keep it at a reasonable volume. Getting back to cabinets, I like them all - it depends on the music you're playing, your preferences, etc...

@@pharmerdavid1432 Agreed. I sat in the high end amp section at GC today. Price aside, speakers aside, wood aside, you just have to plug into and try 4-5+ of them. Buy the one that makes you smile and you do not want to unplug. In my experience today, and other days, it's rarely the most expensive one. Same with guitars. I had $2k to burn. I tried a Martin and it was good- then I tried a Taylor for $800 and took it home. Maybe the Martin was ever so slightly better, but not by much. There is a quality curve. I don't buy cheap gear, but I am very open to lower, high end, slightly used when possible. The delta between that gear and ultra expensive is not very audible to my ears and never noticeable in a mix.

Most likely it does nothing except making the back sound better if you knock on it with you knuckles. for the speaker sound it does nothing.

Good question.

And mdf is heavier than plywood.. Your way off on that shit right there.. The speakers are heavier from. Celeation. The soundboard makes the difference in tone ams does the size of the cabinet. Side and back wood doesn't mean shit.

The cab is fine but the speakers are fair. On the bugera. I have that cab. It's not that heavy because of small speaker magnets. It sounds ok but I want a marshall cab. My head is the marshall jcm 900

AB SO LUTE LY.

Not at all. only the geometry and the speakers count. as long as the material is remotely as tough as wood or mdf and everything is tight, it all sounds the same.

Titanium screws sound the best

@Gearslayer thanks for the info, i'll try to keep that in mind on my next buy.

i already did kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d92RjKhnmdbcgac.html

No no no.. Marshalls are made out of Birch plywood. Most high end cabs are made out of some sort of Plywood and most of the time Birch, such as ENGL, Marshall, HESU, Mesa, Friedman, Randall, etc.

buddy..... watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill. And after that, die from cringing on your own uninformed comment

lmaooo

At least he said the Chinese V30's are better than the UK made, so you can give him a pass LOL 😂🤣

why on Earth would Engl put mdf end grain for the back panel, completely stupid.

*_Bamboo._*

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Your next google search should be Turbosound and see their history and longevity in the speakers for concert and festivals since the 70’s and still going strong today. Lots of nightclubs use Turbosound and these may have smaller magnet/ motor structures but the size of 5he magnet doesn’t mean much anymore. Especially now with speakers especially subwoofers using neodymium magnets for speakers that are WAY LIGHTER , stronger output , and higher power handling.

Thats the point of this video, the title says it all, Cheap vs Expensive.

@@HearGear i dunno how much point that brings but its obvious that box for 1800€ will be better than box for 270€ 😊 I have two bass behringer box 4x10" and they sounds phenomenal. Im so happy with them.

@@Gorazd1974 So...."its obvious that box for 1800€ will be better than box for 270€" right? Got a challenge for you, watch "Tested: Where Does The Tone Come From In A Speaker Cab?" by Jim Lill. And then say it again.

Neither is a Lamborghini or a Ferrari.. but still, millions of people are driving them.. could it be because they like those cars and I don't ?? Hmm, that's rather interesting, isn't it ?

Is there anything in this video telling you that I think Vintage 30´s are crap ?

FYI ... hate to burst your bubble .. but again they are 1 of MANY quality speakers out there ... but far from THE best. Furthermore .... some peaple quite honestly dont care if its a $25 or $2500 speaker there amp has in it or is outputting through.

I am interested in Celestion Type A speakers, i think they sound good and the price is not as high as Vintage 30´s, as you mentioned there is very much speakers out there but for people that are looking for a specific sound, then it all comes down to just 5-10 different speakers that people mostly are interested in. Most people don't know what difference speakers make until they get the chance to try them selfs... i think i might build a 2x12 in the future and put in those Celestion Type A in there.. :D

The speaker cab is the most important part of the sound, they are overlooked a lot but trust me get a shit cab with shit speakers and the sound will be shit , the best thing about bugera cabs is they cost nothing so you can get a good cheap cab by swapping the crappy turbosound speakers for some better ones

@@johnodinsson1735 The speaker is most importent, you are right. The cab is not important at all. As long as it is quite solid

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My son and I got our Line 6 (Bogner) Vintage 30 cab's for $200 & $120 and they are birch cabs and made very well.