Hey LevelCap, As a moderator within Battlebit I can answer a few things. Some people refer the ‘snapping’ in spectator screen as hacks, when in fact 99.9% of the time it’s networking. For exploiting, we do ban for with a warning. Depends what they’re doing. All exploits we see are meticulously noted and patched if possible. I’ll further say that reports are all investigated by the relevant team dealt with accurately and (we feel) in good time. Keep up the work.

7:04 BattleBit has this weird duality right now where the game design and mechanics feel geared toward more tactical and methodical gameplay, but the 'optimal' way to play is super aggressive YOLO flanking with your pick of extremely strong SMG or PDW.

If you playing battlefield the ones with super inflated KD scores are the vehicle players lol .

This game actually addresses cheaters much better than other games; people are just really bad at realizing what actual cheats are

200+ hours, I've come across some sketchy players, but nothing blatant. Just moments that make me go "mmmm that was weird".

My favourite part of BattleBit, is watching a banwave happen realtime, it, is, glorious 😊

Even if i've ran into a cheater I feel like with the chaotic nature of the game it'd be hard to tell. Like did he snap to my head or just panic fire and get lucky, personally i've had plenty of occasions where i've done the second.

This is hard for the devs. They dont have lots of resources like big AAA studio. So its unfortunate and I cant really blame the devs

This is the first shooter in 8 years or so where I still can play and have fun without feeling like I’m being abused by hackers. It’s been quite some time already, but there have been no cases of people instantly killing everyone, speedhacking, or blowing tanks up with pickaxes from across the map. At all. Impressive.

Yup, it's all about TTK (Time to Kill). We can't forget about people who abuse the spectator mode as well. Just have a homie press the spectate button next to deploy, and you can just watch the entire battlefield with a birds eye perspective. Allowing you to give the edge to your friends. Especially if you stream your screen on discord.

Glad to see you covering this game more! Can't wait for the chance to get your AK skin so I can rep my favorite shooter CC.

Ye this video is somewhat comforting in the sense that you probably don't have to worry about getting auto-banned if you perform really well in a match. Also the scoreboard isn't telling the whole story. LevelCapGaming sort of mentioned it at the beginning, but players get revived... If you are patient enough or there happen to be players/medics around every time you go down, the scoreboard might only show a few deaths even though you got downed 2-3 times the amount it shows on the scoreboard. I've only encountered a handful of suspicious players in my 100 or so hrs. I've never been 100% sure of them cheating. I've only reported one so far and even added to the report that I was unsure and asked to inspect this player. There is a great deal of questionable deaths I experience though. Many of them are simply due to ping. It seems there's a lot of NA players on EU servers. I kinda wish there was a region selector for that reason.

I think a lot of people fall into the trap you mentioned here when you said slow methodical shooter with things like revives and magazine consolidation. Under the hood the game was designed as a milsim and it actually has one of the faster TTKs among modern shooters. Its got assault rifles that beam full auto that are 3-4 body shot kills. That being said I have witnessed a lot of suspicious activity among my time so far (only rank 40 at the moment). I play on the flanks a lot and mostly snipe with medium scopes and the amount of times that I have been hiding in cover or prone in bushes and people like 250m away spin around and instantly kill me is substantial. People that have no business knowing im even there will do a 180 and insta kill me as I lean out of a window. I think its hard to tell if you play a medic and stay at the front because its just chaos. As soon as you get to the flanks or play on the sides you start to notice that the people getting god tier flank kill streaks dont even have good enough movement to have gotten there. They just instantly murdered anyone they came into contact with rather than stealthily made their way to a flank.

the fast pace+smg only+cod+drop shot meta is a ticking time bomb that will spread to every player just like apex and r6 player.

bro you deadass made me think back on a few odd games where i get insta rezzed by some rando medic. I figured it was just a glitch or something and that they were rezzing the whole time but the progress bar just didn't show up, but shit I didn't think it was a hack. thanks for this bro, ima try and keep an eye out of medics doing that shit, it'd be nice if we could see who rezzed us so we could report peeps who do that shit easier.

The main problem is there aren't actual good anti-cheats anymore, Easy Anti Cheat and BattleEye which are probably the 2 most known, are terrible, and if you add the game being developed on Unity, well, yeah.. report the players, that is basically all we can do.

I'm generally one of the top scoring players on most games so when I'm getting absolutely stomped I spectate whoever is killing me. Most of the time they are very suspicious. Pretty much everyone I have reported has been banned (You get a little text after the banwave) Luckily, the spectator mode in this game is pretty awesome. That being said, I've only seen 5 or 6 cheaters in my overall play time, so I'm not sure the issue is as bad as a lot of people claim.

I haven't really been looking for cheaters but I haven't really noticed anything obvious in over 100 hours of gametime, I have seen a couple of banwaves though

I don't know know if I would be able to tell when I'm killed by a cheater in BB, because half the time I am not even sure where I got killed from.

@levelcap do you know if they plan on adding controller support? Haven’t played M&K in years and I can aim/shoot ok but my movement is pretty terrible.

I think the most important is to find and the ones who are hard to find. These cheaters are a real issue. The ones who just blatantly cheat without hiding it are easy to get rid of. The real infection are the sneaky cheaters for sure.

I've found Battle Bit really interesting actually. It's the first shooter I have ever played where I feel like my score actually represents my skill. In other shooters in the past I feel like I have always been unfairly dominated- so I gibe up and stop playing after a while. In battle bit as long as I play the role well and how it should be, I am rewarded well and I feel like I can put my hand over those who have always been spastic in CoD like games....

That’s neat I was one of the players you were spectating in this video I was the guy on screen when you were taking about noobish players with fast reflexes

on battlefield5 asia servers there are robots that collect your stats (headshots, recoil, shots hit thru smoke) stuff like that to determine if your a hacker and i’ve played a good few hours on those servers and have not experienced anything weird or off about players although sometimes there are players who use walls but not aimbot and just hide it well

there is also a few popular youtubers i question a lot when i see how they just literally lock on targets with their vector literally hit with every single bullet, you look way more natural in your vector gameplay as a example and thanks for all the good content :)

I witnessed half the population of a server being wiped out for cheating a couple of times😂. This is the reason why devs is considering to switch to Face It Anticheat.

It is really weird sometimes how one game you play at the top of the scoreboard, the other the only viable option is to run around as medic and revive.

I was just wondering about this yesterday. Way to many instances of "is that guy cheating or do I just suck" moments. Lol

A certain portion of the playerbase _definitely_ likes to blame any death on cheaters over just accepting that they died, and I think those people really hurt games in general and make it harder to catch real cheaters which we know exist.

Yeah I've resorted to flying heli's because I just can't have fun with the arcadey nature it takes to be top of the scoreboard as infantry. The run and gun bunny hopping drop shotting meta is alive and well.

When you brought up BF's server admins, I instantly thought of Ravic.

I would say that a perfect anti-cheat would have 4 factors that 2 or 3 need to be met which are Software Detection, AI determination from gameplay (currently not that well improved upon currently but looking forward to Anybrain), user reports, and review from admins.

If I get one or two kills a match that feels like a victory

Wall hacks are kind of a big thing. Hard to prove though.

Finally gave this game a shot and I gotta say, I felt like multiple matches had aimbots and/or wall hacks as I was getting insta head shotted with ARs in like .1 seconds over and over by players jumping around corners

As of "exploiting" something really weird happened to me a few days back, when by pure luck I headshot a guy in a very fast pased moment while jumping, he told me "hmmm you are a cheater" and a minute after my game shut closed. Its the only time this happened to me and its super weird bcs my computer never did that. Is there anyone aware of other players being able to shut down your game with an exploit?

I've definitely experienced my share of "weird deaths". Guys seemingly knowing where you are or perhaps someone who is consistently headshotting you on every encounter. For the most part though, it doesnt feel like there are a ton of cheaters, right now. It's hard to truly know, like you've mentioned. I think what's much more of an issue is weapon balancing. SMGs, especially the vector, are incredibly overpowered in this game. I understand a lot of the encounters are close range and you should lose those fights with other weapon classes like LMGs and ARs, but my issue with them is the range that they possess. Even a fully well equipped vector or UMP or mp5 should have a significant damage and accuracy falloff after 25-30 meters. I die fairly often to vector from 70-80 meters. All in all though, the game is incredibly fun.

I personally have seen 2 cheaters get banned in that feed. But I’ve seen multiple people get banned for racism lmao.

For some reason I can't tell if people are cheating or abusing /exploiting gameplay features. Because everytime I try to play the objective, I get shot from multiple directions including the front and somehow instantly die as if they are one shotting with an SMG or AR.

Hey Levelcap. Not really a question about the game, but I'm curious about your gaming headphones. Are you still using the Audio-technica AD700X? Are you still using the same set for over 10 years now or have you had to replace them once or twice?

I haven’t seen any cases of obvious cheating in maybe 40 hrs of play, which is more than I could say for the likes of some AAA games. That said, the state of claymores and AP mines (especially on night maps) is really not fun, hoping they further nerf them, a vector range nerf or recoil increase is also probably due

The nice thing about battlebits large servers is that if there is a cheater, the odds of you running into them or even seeing them is really low.

i think ive run into a few wall hackers, people knowing exactly where i was when it makes no sense for them to perceive i was there, its always hard to gauge these as maybe someone just had a really lucky guess but it happens enough for me to suspect at least some are getting an information edge, even in the smaller player count servers it happens more than ive noticed is other shooters but since battlebit starting rolling out ban waves its dropped alot

someone big talk about that finally :) great video, i love the game

Early on it was pretty easy to spot. But it seems to have died down. From the ones I've recently spectated it looks like most are just using walls, because you can see them doing 360 scans in inclosed buildings. Just weirdly looking at a wall and then pushing in that direction and sure enough they find the enemy players.

I got reported 9 times last night for going 122-4. I was in a tank with an engi on repairs. We were on sandysunset i believe. That map is a shooting gallery for tanks. I'm just glad their anti-cheat is good enough to not ban people who are legitimately good at the game or just get insanely lucky (me) in a match.

talking about ur message at the 7:00 minute mark, i’m looking forward to their more military sim mode they have planned

My go to at the moment for suspect people is be a medic and equip as much smoke as possible. Go back the to area I think they are hanging out and just cover the entire area in smoke. If I get beamed or hit multiple times through that thick smoke then I go straight to spectate. This way I am still playing the game and not wasting my time speculating when watching a player.

Irony is your claim to fame is from using bots.

Agree 100% with the CoD comparison. Battlebits has pretty much become much more CoD than Battlefield at this point. Jumping around, drop shotting, etc.. Haven't personally ran into any cheaters that I know of, but have watched a lot of very suspicious players.

Another thing that helps back it is when you see their steam page has a previous ban or is filled with comments about rep

I got to say, I’m level 100 with right at a 3.0 KDR and I don’t think I’ve ran into a single cheater. Compared to other shooters, the cheaters seem very low in numbers

I'd like to a see a -10/15% movespeed reduction for all classes. Would help slow down the yolo flanks that are currently the meta as well as the parkour medics spamming vectors

I drop top board stats with just M4 and AK74 before. Sometime you can just guess where people would be hiding or from where to flank. Obviously, I would get surprised and flanked too, but snapping from a corner and hosing down a few enemies is nothing weird when you can already hear them. And some people just forget that open mic is, well, open.

I saw a lot of glitchers recently, glichting into the ground and buildings while permanently standing up and laying down. Which seems to move their hitbox flat to the ground.

I've had too many moments where my head got hosed down by bullets the moment I push from cover or try to get the drop on an oblivious building whore. I'd like to believe that their aims were simply on point but the frequency with which it happened has left me highly suspicious. Getting owned by an aug in close rage when you're pushing with an mp5 might be fine the first few times but if it happens all match, something is most definitely up.

Banning everyone using cyrillic letters would proabably cut down cheating by 80% in every game, instantly.

Do they have skill based matchmaking? Wild score fluctuations can in part also come from not having this mechanic. Games like BF or COD, you are more consistent because your opponents are all similarly skilled.

Great video. What is it about us, as a community, where we want to play AAA but we always SAVAGELY root for the underdog? A long a while ago, a couple of guys modded an EA piece of release. These modders, for not but love of the game, set out on a journey to make what they felt was a solid, fun, re-playable game.. it was called Desert Combat, and it was a mod for Battlefield 1942.. EA swallowed those guys and they started making what many of us call battlefield today. However, once they were swallowed, the game they wanted to make got perverted with every oncoming year and release..and now we all look down on Battlefield with a strong feeling of loss and disappointment. It's nice to have someone to cheer for again.

There's a lot of suspicious players, and i've seen a lot of bans, so usually just put two and two together. Usually I try to ignore them for the most part, but when you get shot from 1,000+ meters away as soon as you spawn it kinda makes you say hmmm..... From the ones i've spectated so far, hardly any of them try to make anything obvious like the old days, these new cheats hard to tell. From the ones i've seen so far, they tend to acknowledge the where-abouts of the enemy without trying to make look like they're "looking" at them, even out of audible range. We live in the age now where a lot people use "help" without straight up aimbotting, like 50% hacks, and makes it very difficult for us 100% legitimate players to question whether we just got worse with age, or it's because other people are using "help".

Dude easy anti cheat is well known as a joke

I frequently have scores like 40-2, 50-1, etc bc I snipe at the back of the map for an entire match, very rarely get any reports

Whats the name of the game I looked up battle bit and all I could find were testing for guns and textures

Had a guy who i suspected of cheating so I started spectating. Called him out by name in chat (after reporting him) and he responded "?" I said "You do realize you can live spectate people right?" And dude insta left the lobby. If that ain't guilt idk what is

I was sorta glitched, standing on the face of a wall on the outside of a tall building, basically unable to be seen unless you look up, had been there for a minute hadnt seen any enemy or shot once, a guy ran out of the building, turned looked straght at me and headshot me, couldnt have been legit

4:57 "When battlefield first launched". Levelcap forgot he's not playing a Dice game ❤

So regularly i get the blue mark i would get from shooting on choppers, i get them all the time when i shoot on a infantry enemy, and despite they should be long gone after second salvo, they just run away

My whole team had a guy spawn camp us, he just sat behind a wall in his spawn with people on his team feeding him ammo, they stopped after two matches but he didn’t leave for 3 more matches after that we all just made fun of him. That was my first experience of the game, sometimes I question it now when I get lasered from far away by an smg when I can barely get two shots off with the ak, hacking ptsd forever

In my experience there is a big difference between EU and NA servers. Played with some American friends and it is so much nicer or even easier. Except ping is 140ms. On EU though... I haven't seen any aimbots but certainly Wallhack or ESP nearly every other game on EU. And yes it's been nearly completely fresh steam accounts with Steam bans on them already and either cyrillic or asian nicknames (ofc not always but in my experience its at least 80% of the sus cases). It's sad. For me especially its sad how the majority of people seem to consider this normal: level 10 or so accounts going 55:5 with literally multiple VAC bans and even manual bans on their 1-3 year old steam profiles... and they get defended by others in the match. Cynical version of myself can only assume why these people would do so... EDIT: I been playing 64 player servers mostly so far, like 90% of my play time, so one actually fights the same person multiple times and notices things

theres been this cheat going around called NGO and its been the main subtle aimbot for most of the top players, it does stuff like reduced/no bullet spread, no recoil, unlimited granades, more health, no reload (gun shoots but doesn't use ammo) and other small things that still requires some effort to get kills but any gun is a lazer at any range. p.s NGO stands for (Never, Goes, Outside)

The vector gets in my way of having fun.

I’m sure I’ve probably ran into some using wall hack or a soft aimbot, but there hasn’t been a time where I’ve noticed.

1:55 There's the thing with that though, because it's 'skilled' player, players who are usually at the top of scoreboards and such, it's incredibly easy for someone who's cheating but hasn't been caught to get in, and then suddenly cover the rest of the cheaters. Basically the idea of the criminal becoming a cop. And if that ends up being the case for BB, the game will quickly die.

4:46 In my experience, not really. The guys using wallhacks are fairly obvious, either because they'll go into a building where no on is moving, and gun down three or four people getting ready to rush. Or will suddenly turn 90* to look in a house where no running is heard, suddenly start chucking nades or just blow out the wall. I see this more on teammates than I do enemies, for obvious reasons, but it's *extremely* obvious when they're using wallhacks.

I am so bad at FPS games that the only time I found a cheater was in BF4 a guy that was cleaning the server shooting at the sky.

I actually haven't noticed any cheaters and I'm not sure if I want to go looking for them. I'm having so much fun now, it would be frustrating to know that I didn't misplay but got beamed....

You should try this experiment on servers in Asia!

I been having issues with Anti-cheat Software for some time now I don't recall cheating I get killed a lot in the game. I was having fun using the attachments for the Scar-H for long-range sniping and got a lot of kills hitting people from ranges that is what upset them.

Im happy you cant see who reported you anymore. I could of def seen that giving more ammo for people to bully because they reported them

Some of the remaining bf4 servers use things like battlefield agency, bf4db, and other volunteer groups that track cheaters. Some are auto banned for unrealistic kpm or hskr, but many require video evidence. Many in the community have gotten really good at spotting, spectating, and submitting. The more insidious ones are people who are good, know how the game works, but use walls. Those can take a while. We had a player last over a year despite suspicions till we finally found a clip of him f'ing up.

I wonder about highly skilled non-cheating players that just rack up many reports over time from both salty enemies and players who just assume they are cheating. Is there a report quantity threshold before you get banned? Do reports have a time limit of a month or two before automatically removed?

dude I was playing one game and all of a sudden the reel of like 150 banned players came up saying "XXX was banned for cheating" and it went forever. I thought it was a glitch and was gonna ban everyone but dude the amount of hackers are insane

-I only have 200hrs in battlebit including playtests but i've only ran into 2 blatant cheaters that entire time -SLIME clan has some very good players. I believe in a game like battlebit in which there are 127 potential targets dropping 100-120 kills isn't really that crazy anymore. In every game at least one player has over 100 kills. If you ran around a map like Salhan conquest 127 with just c4 you could probably get 100 kills no problem. I once sat in one spot for the entire duration of the game on Sandy Sunset Domination and was able to get a score of 79-0. -Battlebit also no longer shows cheating reports on an account only expoiting, toxic behavior, etc -If Kriss Vector ever gets nerfed into the ground top players will just use the next best SMG or AR and still drop high kill games. AsVal used to be the best gun it was nerfed, Ak-47 became the next best thing until it was nerfed, Kriss Vector is now the best best thing even though it has already been nerfed during the playtests over doubling it's horizontal recoil from .5->1.1 -If memory server me right there are 3 or 4 weapons in this game with faster TTKs than the vector -Hate the Vector? Play Ak-15.

I love nothing more than watching those ban-waves roll through and see just how fucking many people are getting banned and man it is nothing short of a beautiful sight.

Any news when this game is coming to os5

I usually play using vehicles and am used to playing squad armor which has a very low death mentality so I get accused of being a cheater every now and then

Most of the sus stuff I've seen is getting beamed with full autos at like 200-300 meters or inhuman reactions but I just let it go assuming they must just be super good players/high lvl guns.

Wish i knew this when i was younger, i used to go insane on bf4 and got banned on so many servers never understanding why.

I don't think I ever met a cheater but I'm just really bad as well. Kinda wish the map you can open with M would be available as a minimap just to have some orientation (not showing enemies or anything, just where you are and maybe teammates)

I'm getting beamed and oneshot by basic automatic rifles (Like AK15 with sporatic recoil) from across the map or long distances as if recoil isn't even a concern for them I also saw instant revive. I was so confused about that I also always feel like errybody just knows where I'm at. I could be well hidden in the middle of a huge open space. As soon as someone peaks the corner, they go straight for me as if I were just glowing red on their screen. They just knew exactly where to pre aim

I found a guy zoom flying around the map, it was strange because he only had 7 or so kills.

A game called 'Combat Arms' I played and was constantly accused of cheating. I'm sure my slow network speed was part of it but a larger part was they really sucked compared to me.

One google search and I found a tons of cheats available. ESP, Wall hack, Aimbot and Ballistic computer (where you can edit your attachments to have high velocity etc). Those hacks cost 3 times the price of the game. Hope they get the new anticheat up soon!

One of the most pervalent cheats I see while playing battlebit is Radar. In the middle of crazy gunfire going on that small group of two players running around still snap around as if they saw a red dot on the screen and aim at me its so frustrating.

How do you "remaster" an early access game?

I have moments where a sniper wiped out 12 guy in helicopter while they are flying at high speed in 10 seconds. Or that other time where you hide in the corner of a bunker and suddenly get snipped by a guy that was 800m away on a mountain through a meter thick bunker wall, camera literally shows me getting shot through walls with no window. No way a leg would peek out a meter thick wall + rampart at that too, even if it did, it wouldn't result in one shot, the foot is not where the head is.

I had an 69/1 littlebird pilot on the other team. While i am not yet a master, I have decent skill... so I lurked on him, shoot and when he turned to me, i was instant killed out of the cockpit. That happend 3 times in a row. As he startet shooting, I was gone... way too suspicious in my eyes. Another one, I was full health, flew really near some enemies and a sniper of them headshotted me while doing that.... in a full moving copter.

aimbots are plenty, but they don't snap as use to, they move a bit slower to be harder to spot, but you can notice when you die instantly with non-sniper weapons, meaning they have no recoil at all and it's locked on you, or else how an smg can delete you in 0.2 seconds at a distance? i always build weapons with the less recoil possible and i still have loads of recoil from certain distances and forward

I can’t imagine the bans for exploiting is lenient considering a person I reported for loud music as spam got a week ban less than 30 minutes after the report.

I would like to see vehicle kills and infantry kills listed seperately on the scoreboard.