More room for improvement with mustnags so easy to do.

And now the camaro is dead basically

@@blackeye3336 Hey your back, you never responded to me previous message... guess you couldn't. Camaro dead maybe but still better than what frod mustnag offers and for a better price. Although I will give you the win on the number of grocery bags that fit in mustnag trunk... congrats!

Michael Ortiz ok then. Let the gt350 embarrass the z28 then 😂

@Michael Ortiz No, the ZL1 is the car with supercharger, the z28 is the one with 427, and 507 hp

@@StockGT350 The GT350 can't embarrass the Z28. You need a GT350r to slightly beat a z28. And you'd need to shell out 70-80k for a R. At which point you could just get a Zl1 1le for 65k and completely destroy the R. Or you could get a SS 1le for 40k and put Michelin Cup 2's on it like the R has and beat it that way too lol

@Zero X z28 faster than a Zl1??? Since when

Mahin Khandker me towards the end of 2019 😭

Hahaha, btw how much does it coast todays in USA (BOSS mod 2013)

@@tonymouawad5207 around $30,000-$40,000 for a nice one

2020

2019 was when I finally bought my 2013 302! A regular 302 is a real bargain and can be had for $25k-$30k all day at

Dats rite...chebby use bailout money 2 buy all car magazines an pay them 2 make Ford lose on perpose. Then chebby send pressringers to all car magazines so they look like they more faster than Ford but if U buy a REAL crapmaro from dealer, its' slow. pussy chebby get 100bllion from Obama, then close American factries an fire Americans an buy factories in China an giv our jobs 2 China. I want my 100billion back.

Onegoal2006 your grammar gave me cancer.

Mustang lost by 2 seconds, because is slower. That's the bottom line.

Are you stupid ? This is the top of the line mustang for fords track car . Idiot the fucking gt500 is not a track car . It will loose for it having too much power and not the suspension to support it .

Btw the z28 is the top of line camaro for the track . Which is number one right now

Greggory Oakley If you are going to compare the ZL1 ($60000) to the super snake ($100000) That ZL1 better be modified lol.

Been done look around on youtube.

The boss is faster on the track on than the gt500. And that's all ford has

i luv u.

Someone who gets me!!!! Thank you

Carl Stallins the gt 350?

Carl Stallins you're closed minded this year was great for muscle cars the gt 350 z28 and z06 whooped some over priced import ass and dodge well dodge took a really big motor and supercharged it and got 4 digit hp

lmao you believe youtube doc he didnt fund them during the war look it up in an actual book not youtube

Its just cars, relax.

Jealousy Jealousy....sucks to lose don't it?

D Taylor Lose what? I dont think any KZfaq users lost anything during this video, you can look at it and thats about it.

I wasn't replying to you bud ...but ur right

sucks to be on bottom of chevy docent it its ok maybe ford has a better chance against dodge

Not really because in 2017 they did the same thing with the 7.0L Camaro against the 5.2L supercharged mustang and they both had similar power output but the newer model 2016 mustang with updated technology gave it the crown over the 2015 Camaro z28. So they do this all the time. It really doesn't matter. It actually is fair.

@Sean Smith gt500 & z28

They try to compare every other generation to each other. If they compared generation to generation, the Camaro would win every time, and they wouldn't get any more views because there wouldn't be any controversy.

@Sean Smith As we all know the Camaro came back in 2016 with a new generation after they said it was so called "going out of production" to claim it's current status as a pony killer.

@Sean Smith That's my point. It's an old video now, and since this video, they did more of these so called "unfair comparisons" with different results every time.

FurySonic416 2001 I have the same thing except it’s the Camaro

Yes bro, me too !!! I love this beauty beast !! How much does it coast today in USA ?!!!! (BOSS 2013) plz let me know, coz i want to buy one ❤💪🏽

They should have compared the GT 350 with the ZL1 there’s a bit of a gap in price between the boss and the ZL1

Psychic Pie the gt350 didn’t exist in 2012

Lazy Doge Productions oh my bad

@@s1mplistic999 the gt350 been around longer than that

Zl1 isn’t even a track car for Chevy and we still destroyed u guys

Holy crap yes

Wait, so back in 2012.. before the GT350 came out.. you would have chosen a Boss 302 over a ZL1?

+Xample: CSGO Not even usually....lol

+mfnbigdaddy73 nope, almost always prick

dakota croasdale Mustangs aren't "usually " on top, you dumb fuck !

5 years later and we have the gt350R and a zl1 1le

Price difference? I'm sure the Chevy was more.

i know right

It's about track performance not a drag race. The shelby isn't as fast around a track as this mustang,

That's irrelevant bro... It's all about price and yes these 2 cars are in the same price class

+MrTxblksteel the 2016 Camaro beats the GT350...

yeah...supercharged...and still only a second faster

No the gt350 R happened

aaaaaand then the Gen2 ZL1 blew its doors off for less money..

@@R_Tower The 5th gen camaro is so ugly that I wouldn't even consider buying it regardless of its performance.

Sav Kvd What’s the 1970’-81’ Camaro have to do with this??

@@R_Tower I thought you just miss typed and was referring to the 5th gen ZL1

because its only bs if you lose I see XD

Bro its a zl1 vs a gt its not fair in any way u obv don't know shit if you think this is fair. A gt500 will blow a zl1 out a the water, look up mustang gt vs camaro as vs challenged srt8 and see which one wins before you comment back.

Jaleel Lewis its not a gt its a boss and its what ford CHOSE to put up against the 2012 zl1 so essentially it is kinda fair. They chose to add whatever and take away whatever to directly compete with Chevy. Also i'm assuming ur talking about a drag when you tell people to look uo that matvh up which I did and they were all drags and this is having to do with control on a track in which case your suggestion doesn't really matter.

I Why do all u kids care about weather the car is traxck worthy? As a kids we don't track race we drag race! And on top of that Chevy put up the best camaro so they should have got the gt500

Jaleel Lewis It's always funny to see people telling others they "don't know shit" when you're actually the one sitting alone in the toilet bowl.

You don't even need $8000 worth of mods. Give me only $4000 and I can have the Boss handle as good if not better than a ZL1.

still cheaper than the camaro, and better looking

You don't even need mods just get a GT500.

yea but those don't corner as well

They don't need to corner its a 10 sec car. Its built really for a strip.

This video is also over 4 years old

It also has the live axle suspension against independent, magnetic shocks.

You're butthurt arent you

+Chris Perez I like the elentra better hahaha

+Chris Perez agreed

+Chris Perez nissan sentra is better than toyota shit

+Chris Perez nissan sentra is better than toyota shit

Jap-Crap. don't see none of that in old school either. Sorry, USA was first in the 1900s.

i chose the mustang cuz of visibility, my cousin got an ss and you can't see shit through the rear window. I gotta look out for them popos!

tomnguyen717 the Mustang does have that. I wish Chevy would make the back window wider and it'll be perfect.

I really don't know shit about cars, but I like the look and size of the Ford Fusion or the Chevy Malibu, so could I put mustang engine in a Fusion and a posi rear end? because I want the Fusion to have more power and to also sound like it has a real engine.

cody patron The Fusion and Malibu are FWD-based cars, they're midsize sedans not made for performance. You can modify them but they won't be in a class with the Mustang and Camaro. If you want a performance sedan, get a Charger SRT8 or Chevy SS, or Taurus SHO if you don't mind a FWD-based car.

snakesonaplane2 I like the Dodge Challenger body style but not the Charger, I will check out the SS and the SHO, thanks for the info

??? Either of these cars had Trofeo R tires? Also I never have seen a test where the Trofeo R has been compared to the Viper ACR's Kumho tires.

Jager1988 Drive channel melted the gt-500's brakes in 15min. Those Mustange brembo brakes are junk.

Brenbo brakes are not a major flaw!!!WTF

JAYMAG Brownstone The brakes they chose are junk. "Drive channel" were flabbergasted how their brembo brakes lasted 15min and then melted. MT super snake's disk brakes exploded. Motor trend's gt-500 brakes melted in 3min.

Stephen Bagnell yea they say that there are brembo brakes on the mustang but i dont believe it.. brembo wouldnt make pos brakes like that

marc ginsberg Ford has outsourced everything. it doesn't surprise me that they chose shitty brakes to keep costs down.

love that game

same in Gran Turismo 5 and Gran Turismo 6

***** lol

Im reading the comments first next time

+ONE THIRD MAYO The Camaro outsold the Mustang in 2010, 2011, was dead even in 2012, outsold it in 2013, but gave the mantle back to the Mustang in 2014 because of the new 2015 model year Stang. In the 90's and early 2000's the Mustang destroyed the Camaro in sales which is why the Camaro was killed for a while.

Actually I didn`t get the key reason of Camaro outsold Mustang. What I think is because camaro has a better number (horsepower, lap time. etc). Moreover, Camaro is more rare than stang after stop production for a decade, and people who don`t know car that much can`t see much difference between a 2005 stang and a 2012 stang and this makes Mustang tend to be considered being cheaper (actually they are) and crappier are than the Camaro most of the time.

Its a rarity when Camaro outsells Mustang, only "winning" sales 9 times since Mustang's existence.. It does not occur often. The sales in 2010 were huge mainly due to the government and your tax dollars allowing GM to avoid bankruptcy. That and the marketing that was done on them was really great(Transformers). They are nice cars, and some of the F-bodies were great.. I just cant bring myself to support GM anymore.

GT500supersnake 2009 it did a 7.32 around the nurburgring ?? how is it not any faster???

They claim 7:32 but where is the video? The z28 did a retest in dry conditions and got on average, 6-7 second better overall times.

wheres the evidence for your claim then??

Its in an article i read awhile ago, and even if i had made that up, a z28 on a dry surface would do way better than on the wet one it was on when it had set that time. And cmon, ford isnt known for having track cars, they built the Ford gt 10 years ago and the c6 z06 annihilated it by 30 seconds. All of these statements are facts.. if you were wondering lol.

The gt350 might not beat it but the gt350r will destroy the z28 and the new z06

its called camaro

challenger hellcat on that racetrack?? Thats a "straigt forward car"

Chevy 4 life

+Patrick Torres see how nobody agrees

+Colds XD

great for you

Same awesome love the look

The Corvette's been doing that for a looong time, dude.

Yeah, the Vette's cornered better than its international competitors for about 51 years now.

It's at least as good, if not better now.

maybe in your dreams...maybe

Have any proof or are you just going to leave it at that?

Exactly.

Kael Ruland For now. 2015 will be different. What the hell is this (*) bullshit? BTW , nice picture. lol It's a balancing game, too much power and weight or just enough power high revs and light weight. That's why the stang bounces. The Camaro's brakes are better because of the weight. 2015 Mustang finally has an independent rear suspension. We'll see.

amurican35 They just made a proper car. Sorry that We bowtie lovers prefer a better built, more stylish, faster car. Yes. a 302 vs ZL1 isn't fair, but the GT500 was available at this time ( 662 hp version) The camaro brakes are much better and stronger and a lighter car should stop faster. Hell, the camaro z28 when braking would smoke tires better than a mustang could. That's how powerful the brakes were.

True to all that, I like 'em both but I am a Blue Oval fan. I like Chevy before 1998, when they still used the 350 sb. They should have had a better version of the mustang presented.

That was the BEST mustang that was available.other than the 5.0 track pack.

2021

It's also the only U.S. Automaker to still owe U.S. taxpayers money, yet some how (according to their PR department, but not the facts) didn't take bailout money. Weird, they took taxpayer money (and still owe taxpayers) but they didn't take taxpayer money? Which is?

TheBulldawg4life Lies. GM lied when they said they paid back thier loans. Congress butsed them for using TARP money to pay back the loans. GM borrowed 8billion from the Government, the Treasury GM an 8billion escrow from TARP, then GM used the TARP escrow to pay back the 8 billion. The truth is the Government gave GM 16billion, 8 billion as a loan, 8billion more so GM can lie and use the Escrow to pay the loan. Lets not forget that the Government gave 35billion to GM for FREE. They did this by buying 35billion of GM's failing stocks.

TheBulldawg4life This is because Ford took a loan while GM went bankrupt and exchanged equity in the newly restructured GM for funds to hold onto their assets and continue on. Ford has the cash flow to pay these loans back on time, no problem. GM is still 26% (IIRC) government owned and there is not a chance in hell share prices are going to get high enough to recover the cash poured into GM. Price per share of GM common stock would have to nearly triple and hold that high while the government sells to recover the total.

TheBulldawg4life Actually, they've paid back everything they were required to pay back. The rest was either grants or taken as stock options. Admittedly, the money they didn't have to pay back was quite considerable.

EscapeforMankind GM only declared bankrupt, they still had money though...a LOT of money. Ford hasn't paid their loans back, while GM has. No doubt Ford has the cash in hand to pay the measly 5 billion they owe the taxpayers, the question is why haven't they and why are they only on pace to pay it of by 2022 or thereabouts? The government owns GM stock, but never has bothered to control GM except maybe to push the Volt when GM probably didn't want to. The government took risk when it spent many 10's of billions of dollar to buy GM stock, there was an overwhelming sense that it was going to be a losing bet in terms of monetary return...but when compared to having no GM it was a winner. 2.2%. That is the government stake in General Motors. They plan to sell that last 2.2% off before 2013 ends. The government offered the deal for the stocks, instead of doing a straight cash infusion which would have been reckless and useless at the end. GM didn't need cash, they still don't, they needed to dump their Buick and Oldsmobile and Saturn and Pontiac pensions. GM was paying WAY too much money to WAY too many people for products that aren't even available anymore and therefore were not making money.

Id put my 2016 SS vs your F-150 all day lol... are you serious right now? Unless you have some ridiculously modded F-150 or your brother has a V6, I'm calling BS.

+Torian Richardson 460 big block we cammed and bored with twin turbos.

So your reasoning for voting out a stock Camaro is because your HIGHLY modified truck happened to beat one? Yea makes sense to me....

+Torian Richardson it wasn't stock but you tried 😂😂

Jacob Kean Lol your story gets more and more complex as time rolls by. I'll give you another 24 hours to make up what mods the Camaro had in it. In any case, a STOCK F-150 would get SMOKED by a STOCK Camaro. Your argument is retarded anyway you put it. That's like some idiot saying they vote out a Bugatti because their 2000 hp modified drag car beat it in a drag. I guess asking for video of your so called super F-150 racing anything isn't and will never be available.

Shelby still had the Super Snake out at the time (which was the same price range as the ZL1), but, I agree it was fair, I mean the power to weight ratios are very similar, if the mustang had better more up to date suspension and brakes, it would have been either neck and neck with the ZL1 or ahead of the ZL1. They are both great cars though...

Sup3r6f0ur Power to weight ratios are very similar?..... don't think so mate, ZL1 has 315hp/tonne vs the Mustang's 268hp/tonne.

I don't know where you got your stats from but the ones from a Road and Track issue I read a while back say 314hp/ton and 303hp/ton (Which was calculated by R/T during thier comparison.) I might add they had the LS edition of the Boss not the base Boss

It's a $60k car, dude. Anyone putting down that kind of money very likely has the money to fix anything that goes wrong with it, up to and including the advanced technology that makes the ZL1 far superior to any current production Mustang. That, or they'll be leasing the car and have something else to drive before anything goes wrong. Stuff breaks on old cars too. Hopefully you're not some sort of Luddite.

Borderline5440 i wouldn't say far superior...the camaros are the ones being recalled...not the mustangs. i will admit that the camaro has a very nice technological advance set up on it...but it is not easy to fix. and while most people who have the money to buy will have the money to fix it...that still doesn't mean its easy to afford. and then there is the down time. but i buy a car as a daily driver. not just for the track. and when it breaks...i can fix it. i don't have to take my car to a dealership...good luck having that kind of equipment in your garage to fix the camaro. the mustang follows a heritage. one the camaro doesn't have. its a raw pony car and thats how i like it...

Supercharged GT500 still can't compete with a ZL1. And guess what, Z/28 has a N/A 427 under the hood churning out 500 HP. It still destroys a Supercharged GT500 with 662 HP. Who's crying now.

Ironsights51 I'd have to say that it's probably your parents crying still to this day over that fact that their child was born braindead. Once again you come at me with an apples to oranges comparison when that was my point to begin with. Chevy biased magazines and fans like to compare naturally aspirtated 5.0L Ford engines against supercharged 6.2L Chevy engines and cheer when the larger, supercharged engine barely eeks out a win. As for your GT500 vs. ZL1 comparison, that is absurd. The larger, supercharged 6.2L ZL1 is a turd in a straight line against the smaller 5.8L supercharged Mustang GT500 and the Camaro is only slightly better in the turns due to more expensive brakes which I might add do not make the car. As for the Z/28 destroying the GT500, you are on crack. Once again GM has to offer a larger engine to even play on the same field as Ford. They needed to stuff a 7.0L Corvette engine in a ponycar just to attempt to hold a candle to the much smaller 5.8L GT500 engine. The 2014 GT500 is faster in a drag race against the 2014 Z/28 and the only reason why the Z/28 is slightly better in the turns is because it has ridiculously wide tires that grip like racing slicks on the rear. Imagine if Ford put the same rear tires on the GT500? You Chevy boys would really be crying in you daddy's arms then.

You are a fucking moron! The Z/28 is naturally aspirated with 500 HP. The GT500 may have lower displacement, but it's fucking supercharged. Not to mention it has 662 HP. Yet it would lose to the Z/28 on a track by a good 3-5 secs at the very least. Also, nobody cares about straight line performance. You could put a big ass supercharged engine in a pickup and turn it into a 10 sec truck. Stupid ass, one thing I hate about Americans is that all anybody cares about is who would win in a fucking drag race. That is like bragging about who is stronger as opposed who could kick who's ass in a fight.

Ironsights51 GT 40, GT....end of story.

You do realize Ford has absolutely NOTHING to do with the GT40, right? The chassis was designed by the Brits and Carol Shelby did the engine. The only thing on the car that is Ford is the logo on the front. And at least Chevy doesn't go crying to Pratt and Miller or Lingenfelter every time they want a fast car . They are capable of building one on their own.

Todd Rich This video was uploaded in 2012. Z/28 was released in 2014.

Moron the z28 didn't exist during this video.. and it would be faster? For almost 80k I'd fricken hope so

matthew von actually you are the moron the z28 has been a type of Camaro for ever I own a 1999 z28

SilverArrowplaysmc Look it up dumbass the Z- 28 just came back out!The Z-28 was not available in the new Camaros until now.

Todd Rich considering that the boss 302 had(as it's out of production) an MSRP of $40k, and the Z28 has an MSRP of $72k - IT SURE AS FUCK BETTER 'ANNIHILATE' A CAR THAT'S COSTS NEARLY HALF AS MUCH!!!

what generation?what year?why dont u check on google?

For real. You could invest those $8k into a supercharger set up that would over power the mustang with only a little weight gain but that wouldn't matter because power to weight ratio is what you need to win.

no, just no. GM motors are killing the game right now. They stepped up with the new corvette & camaro

@@headon434 gm been killing it

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+DeadMerc 2.9 liters of POWER my friend. A whole 20 HP.

+Matt T REALLY? THATS MINT! 😂😂😂

bahahaha stupid

Omoplata1916 the ZL1 for dessert the garbage mustang always!

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camaros are way cheaper than mustangs

Leticia Fuentes How crapmaro cheaper? ZLowl1 gots markup...aint' no 56 K... ZLowl1 is 62 K with markup. GT500 only 56 K with markup an GT500 cost only 54 K.

and the zl1 is the only one every other camaro is under 25 besides the ss

actually its a Corvette. it has a Corvette Chassis. GM cheated by using Independent suspension instead of perfecting the straight axle

how did they cheat when they made the corvette regardless camaro is better than the mustang i had the 5.0 my zl1 is wayyy better