I like the C8, but the C7 GS looks stunning.

I just bought a C7. It’s my only car. Can’t imagine driving anything else. Absolutely love driving it! It’s hilarious!

22:22 Jack has transformed

That robot voice sent a shiver down my spine

With everything that goes into a Corvette, it's ironic that most owners of them sit on folding chairs in parking lots next to them.

Ever since I saw the C7 for the first time I have loved the design. It’s one of my dream cars. Great review as always.

As a three time Corvette owner, the C7 was a huge jump over the C6, C5 , etc. The C8 is very tempting because i love driving mid engine cars but the lack of a manual transmission has kept me from pulling the trigger

I've had a grand sport for two years now and love it. One thing not mentioned in this review is how wonderful it is to drive with the top off (and super easy/quick to remove). Its like having two cars in one. I considered the porsche cayman, 911, mustang, and camaro in my car search, but none of those offer that open air experience and if you live in a warm environment that is something really worth having. And I know you can get convertibles in those other cars, but those soft top versions ruin the lines of those cars (imo).

I can't afford a c7 or any sports car... I just bought my first house. But these videos you guys do are just so amazingly meant for real people. It keeps me watching. You guys aren't motortrend. You're savagegeese! The of quality and information in these videos is top notch. Keep up the good work guys.

I'm dying at the fact that everyone who builds Corvettes looks exactly like every Corvette owner ever

That C5 at the end at the track still fighting the good fight 👍🏼

I’m a GM fan but even I can say, their engineers couldn’t figure out how to design an 8spd auto, their making wheels that crack, the fundamental cooling issues that should be sorted out from year one. Who in their right mind thinks the C8 is gonna be reliable. Their now dipping their toes in dual clutch trans, completely moving an engine in a different spot, new geometry and engineering altogether. Whoever buys a first year run, I wish you the best of luck.

I ordered a new manual transmisiion Stingray in 2017.I wanted the small body and lightest weight version. Sold a Mustang GT manual to move up to the C7. Having owned a Miata and an Elise, I like nimble lower HP cars as well. This was intended to be a street car, even though I live 20 miles from Mid Ohio race track, I will probably never do a track day. I went with the base wheel and tire sizes for durability on the street. Never bent a rim yet in 3 years. I also believe this combo has less unsprung weight. My experience leads me to believe a wide front tire tramlines on bad pavement making relaxed cruising less fun. The engine packaging is amazing, low CG, Mid front location, all aluminium. The Corvette is too fast for the street enviroment. It is more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. Shifting gears for fun in the Corvette puts you at about 100 mph when 3rd gear tops out. Miata's can be enjoyed for their responsiveness at lower speeds. Really both cars have their place and are fun. Both cars can be daily drivers. The Vette drives large and the Miata drives small, both are enjoyable. Somehow a 911 drives small compared to a C7. Other thoughts: I never use 7th gear even on the interstate at 75 mph. I never use cylinder deactivization, I want to keep the AC ticking over, hill climb ability available, alternator putting out, coolant circulating, as hiway revs in 6th are around 1500 rpms. Over 30 MPG at this. I have LT1 trim. LT2 Trim is mostly cosmetic. I wondered if Mag Ride is worth it. I wondered If EDiff is worth it but would have liked to try it but that was a step up in money. I don't have any complaint with the audio system or touch screen. Both designs were finalized in 2013 and a lot has changed since then. My only mod is a wiring device to defeat to skip shift function on the manual transmission. The Mustang Tremec shifts better then the Corvette's Tremec, but the Mustang has annoying throttle hang when shifting gears. Probably not noticable if you drive an automatic trans. I got $10K off sticker, $47.5k plus taxes out the door. Amazing value for money. Better deals are out there now. I recently went and saw the C8 in person. I like it. But it got heavier and no manual transmission. Hey, do what I do and own both styles of sportscars.

I purchased a new 2019 Grand Sport and was concerned I would regret not getting a C8. (I had not yet seen a C8) I finally seen a C8. Very very nice car, but at no time did I feel I should've waited. I'm good.

Those 2018 Z06s prices will be a droppin. Nothing like 650 horsepower with a beautiful car, without having to get a second mortgage. Even if it has a seven speed manual

So I just got a brand new C7 two weeks ago and it will be my daily driver. My dream vette was a Grand Sport but due to my trades and being upside down I couldn't get a GS. It's a 1LT but it's still a Vette. I've always wanted a Vette and love it so far. I love his GS so much and that is exactly what I wanted so much.

I own a C7 GS and have now driven the C8 as well as taken a very thorough look at it. The C8 Z51 suffers from significant mid corner understeer ( tight ) and as we all know, tight is slow and a touch lose ( free) is fast. C8 corner exit is stellar, puts down the power every time but all it’s doing is making up its corner loss. The C8 needs a healthy dose of nose ballast. I’m not rushing out to buy a C8 anytime soon, Chevy has a lot of work to do on the C8. Speaking of work, that car is going to be a very time consuming car to work on.

Another in-depth, excellent video. Jack's knowledge and delivery are next level.

Interior shots could’ve used some increased brightness adjustments... good review though

Still a beautiful car and performing. The C8 is a revolution but C7 is an amazing vehicle. So nice in and out and fast and looks great and reliable. Fantastic.

Ok, this is officially the best review of a 2019 Corvette GS (I own a new one) that I've seen on KZfaq. Excellent job gentlemen, Subscribed.

For 20k off list I'd take a C7 and really enjoy it for what it is, oh and still have 20k left !

I really appreciate the section about reliability. Many reviewers do not talk about cost to own after the warranty period or what type of problems certain cars have. This is the best car review channel on KZfaq!

C8 looks so awkward when compared to this masterpiece.

I just bought a C7. Dealerships still have a lot of 2019s in stock. They're discounting them $10k-$15k off MSRP. I got the automatic. I think its smooth and fast shifting. I don't use the paddles. As far as the wheels bending, don't drive in track mode. The suspension travel in track mode is so short that a big bump or pothole will damage the car.

22:22 Satan took over there for a sec

I am in my late seventies. My last corvette was a 1968. I just acquired a very low mileage 2018, GG, 3 Lt and yes an 8 speed automatic. For me it's the cats meow. I come a go kart racing background in southern California. My mentors were 2 uncles, both aeronautical engineers. They gave me a profound advantage over many of my competitors. My current corvette should give me a final drive on my last task at hand. Your summation has given me volumes of usable information. Had a little try at street racing yesterday when a certain BMW challenged me. The end result was deeply in my favore. Looking forward to this affordable toy.

This is the tech breakdown of the C7 GS I've been looking for. A veritable treatise. Thanks!

Love my C7 manual!

Thank you for another thoughtful review! With the entire focus of the automotive journalistic community on the C8, it is refreshing to get an owner's honest evaluation, pros and cons, for the consideration of the value of a C7 'Vette. Well done!

The fun on the street quotient is the primary issue with the vast majority of modern sports cars - most are too capable, too powerful, too stable - it just makes a backroad drive boring...

You guys are bumming me out with the reliability issues. But I'm so grateful to hear it. I was seriously considering a used Z06. It sounds like a nightmare out of warranty.

I am happy with my C7 automatic. It is a stunning car, faster than any sane person should drive and handles very well on mountain roads.

Coming out of a 997.1 into my neighbors C7, the thing that surprised me most was the steering. I felt right at home, great steering.

17yo here, hope I dont recieve any hate for this. Thought I could offer an interesting perspective...I recently just bought a 2006 c6 base model. Paid 12k for it. 100k miles.. clean title. Beautiful car! With that being said I really think the stereotypes behind vettes and the community as a whole is very strange. Old men stare at me maliciously in public, and younger people nearly my age either act the same and love to claim "daddy's money" but it really doesnt bother me, however is slightly disheartening as a car person. Its just a car. Side note, Yall really sleeping on facebook marketplace still. Dude I bought it off of was like 50 and was wanting a c8 and really just wanted to get his order in. Cant emphasize this enough, could not be happier. I agree completely with the talking point with the corvette not quite being the optimal street car, because I know personally I cant fathom tapping into the full power of this car on the street. After owning it for the past 3 months it feels like a crime daily driving this car. Sorry for the odd rant lol

Got a 2017 C7 GS Heritage Manual (just broke 10K km on it) and I don’t miss the 2008 911. The C7 puts a smile on my face from the moment the engine starts. Great review.

So saying the engine is uninspiring is another way of saying it doesn't have a flaw in it's performance. I agree, cylinder deactivation is absolutely terrible!

As a passenger in it for a few laps at the meet in Toronto I can tell you this car is incredible!! And Jack isn't afraid to Send It!!

The C7 is better looking than the C8. Edit: just get rid of the "without scott turbouski" on the shoppe screen, he hasn't been here in like years

I had a arctic white c7 GS, sadly I sold it after we had our second child. I still thinking about that car everyday. Amazing drive, loved that on a beautiful day I can take the top off and put it in the trunk. Still drove it in the rain on crappy days along the PCH as well.

Some call it lack of theater, some call it highly refined...

I'll probably never ever buy a Corvette but found this video incredibly satisfying, informative, and entertaining to watch. Jack and Mark have so much knowledge (kudos to Jack doing his due diligence in his research) and have great rapport and chemistry. Well done guys... seriously!

These two gentlemen love Corvettes and they love Turbowski. 💕

Fun fact : The new LT1 camaro uses the same Corvette engine, in fact Chevy made some many hand assembled LT1 engines for the vette , some left overs found their way into new manual transmission Camaros (remove plastic engine cover to find signed plaque in said engines)

The complaint about the engine not being exciting is what I like about the LS/LT engines. Way back when I did high speed events in my C5, the car had more torque than traction in 3rd gear on the twisty portions of tracks. Fewer shifts made for faster lap times.

I've been waiting for this a loooooong time

Skip Barber used to have a track day program that allowed you to jump back and forth from Porsche 991's, Mustang GT's and the C7 Stingray. Did it at Lime Rock a few years ago with around 10 other people and almost everyone was in agreement that the Corvette was the one they wanted more time with after a day of lapping. Having since driven the C7 Z06 on track a few times, I can't imagine needing or wanting any more than what those cars offer. Both are remarkable for the price.

Thank you for your 40 hours of research! It was super detailed and great information.

For those complaining about the ride quality just get the Stingray with the magnetic ride. It's firm but surprisingly damped when going over bumps. There is no chassis flex at the rim/tire setup on that variant is a bit more forgiving. Driving that car with the suspension in tour but the exhaust in sport makes for a great spirited driving experience.

Nice take. My Stingray has been very good to own and reliable on and off the track. One thing to keep in mind about the dated interior and infotainment system is, this came out in 2013. It was actually tremendous at the time and is most definitely last gen now that the C8 is here. Also the performance seats are not all that bad. You get used to them. And they allow for a 5 point harness. Furthermore the car IMO rides soft enough for what it is. Mine is definitely more comfortable than my ‘19 E63s. One thing that I want to mention here, that I didn’t notice brought up is that the dealership experience is fairly abysmal where I live. It doesn’t matter if you’re rolling in a $100k Z06, until you start to get to know one or two people in the service department, you might as well come in with a 10 year old Malibu you’ll be treated all the same. Poorly, in my opinion for an owner of a brand’s halo car.

2019 base trim c7 with manual transmission. Thats is what all I need and enough for me. But what is amazing is that super charged one can have manual transmission too. I was shocked. Please all auto maker keep doing that and save manuals.

As a driver of a 2011 Maybach with a V12 620hp and 738 lbs of torque, I can appreciate a mature sports classy vehicle like the Corvette. I feel the Challenger and Charger are more for the common man, Ravi Peiris M.D.

Even though the C8's dual clutch transmission shifts quicker, I agree, the 7-speed manual C7 adds to the driving fun factor, which is the main reason I still own my C7. Truth is, unless you track your Vette odds are the difference in shifting times between the transmissions aren't even noticed. This is the main reason I've been hesitant to move to a C8. From what I've read, if you pull both shift handles on the C8 at the same time the transmission will go into neutral. That being the case I can't imagine it would be very difficult for GM to offer a fly-by-wire clutch pedal option for the C8 and please everyone. Perhaps someday they will (or some smart after-market company will). It wouldn't bother me at all if I owned a manual shift C8 that was a bit slower than the Automatic model.

They went to cool overs because they COULDN'T FIT the leaf in the rear because of the packaging of the drivetrain. Tadge wished he could've kept it. The coilovers weight a ton more with negligible benefits AND it gave the C7 a specific handling trait. It stopped excess understeer.

So what!!! You two are just a couple of kids. Much smarter than me for certain. Most of us don’t have a clue about your concerns. I kill termites...I’ve worked my butt off for something like this car. You’re right, I probably won’t track it but I guarantee you that I’ll have a blast driving this wonderful vehicle. Who cares about what GM did or didn’t do. It works for my kind!!!

took a bus tour all through Rhineland and Bavaria many years ago - the German bus driver was exceptional - we eventually got talking about cars and how I drove an E46 M3 (manual of course) and he smiled wryly at me and then showed me pictures of his C5 Z06..........btw Jack is awesome Geese......that's a very nice ride Jack .

From somebody who has been ripped around a track in this exact car (Jack’s Grand Sport) I will confirm that it is a great purchase for so many reasons.

End theme back to longer version, instant like comment subscribe. 😉 But seriously I love that little bit that had been cut lately, thanks for bringing it back!

Brilliant insight into the C7. Savage Geese presentations just get beter and better.

I know this video is a few years old but I just bought a 2019 C7 Z51 and I am very happy with it! I have never owned corvette and came from mostly Porsches and BMW’s. My last car was a Cayman GTS 4.0, which was a great car but the gearing was a real flaw in that car, despite it having an amazing engine. I have been pleasantly surprised with the Corvette and find it to be a great dual purpose car. It has more tech than the Cayman, it is much better on the highway and believe it or not, the stereo is better. I find I drive slower than I did in the Porsche as I’m not chasing the revs like I did with the flat 6, which is a good thing. As you all said, the engine is not all that exciting but this car manages to be more what I need, which is a nice comfortable touring car that can be a hooligan when I want it to be. I am really enjoying it and I think it is a gorgeous car that will age well. Oh and by the way, I got the manual. The only way to get a corvette, in my opinion!

Great video.. I do love a good C7 myself.. Not a fan of the way the C8 looks either. We'll see after I see a few in the wild. But you're right, front engine rear drive manual, classic.

Summary: Overall, good review and fair. I feel like people not familiar with the platform will overreact to those reliability details you mentioned, which I think are overblown....class actions are led by the old boy club. I agree 100% on C8 though...it's a big HOLD for me...for the foreseeable future. Keep in mind, C8 is Tadge's car...not really the C7. C7 was Dave Hills architecture, taken a step further (due to Gm in Chap11 recovery). C8 is purely of Tadge's direction and he's a manual hater, he's a softy, he loved the A8 transmission...i.e. he could be Justin Trudeaus dad (not really but...he's soft like that). C8 is an all around mild disappointment to me (but it's still early), as was the C7 generation, never bringing a true purist track machine, and instead putting out that disgusting ZR1, which while fast, was just a mess of hood shakers, a wing just small enough to look awkward (if you go big wing, think ACR-E and do it for real)...all ZR1 needed was a tow hitch option...it was anything but dedicated, it was Tadge's "bandwidth" approach to sports car....please everyone...the muscle car guy, the track guy, the old boy, etc...doesn't work. Tadge knows how to sell cars, he's a corporate guy, which is why he's head of the show...but his influence on the Corvette brand is steering the ship slowly to something that I think will never find the exact mark. He just doesn't have it...he understands fast, he understands marketing to the masses, but...the guy just doesn't have that edge to make Corvette truly great (did I mention it's because he's soft?) because it's the right series of compromises that are the key to finding that magical combination that may not sell a ton of cars, but will be one of the best ever made. I'm a Tadge hater...I ain't gonna lie...I've met him a number of times and I think both he and Harlen Charles are douches and I can't wait to see the torch passed.

Owning a corvette was always a dream of mine and the C7 has been my dream car since it released in 2014. Finally got one a few months ago for my 26th birthday. Absolute beast of a car. I love it. This is an extremely accurate and balanced review. No it doesn't have the best fit and finish inside and there are definitely some squeaks and rattles (especially on a cold day or bumpy road) but I'll be damned if you can find anything with more performance, style, and fun available for 35k used and low mileage.

I have a 2019 GS with a manual that I daily drive. These guys are absolutely dead on with their evaluation of the vehicle. It's not a very fun daily driver unless you drive far to fast for the street, or you just like the looks you get driving it. The GS is an absolute blast on the track and that's where this car needs to be in order to be enjoyed.

The Corvette is one of the best American cars ever made The C8 is a major car and it needs to be mentioned in history books

Dude you have to review the C8 I’d love to hear your take from C7 to C8.

this is the best 7th gen corvette video i’ve ever seen, lots of good info!!

Thorough and fair analysis - I purchased Range Technology Active Fuel Management Disable Device (Blue) device for my Z06 - I bought it directly from Range Technology - it's sold on Amazon for the same price $189, but I prefer to go direct - works great and I suggest other C7 owners to do the same - simple and effective.

The perfect outro for this review!

Fantastic review. Also it made me feel great about not getting MR on my Mustang. There are a lot of car reviews on youtube but savageese is in a class of one. Period.

Since the C8 is sold out I decided to check out the C7. Found my '19 Grand Sport at Kerbeck Corvette in Atlantic City. MSRP was $68k. I drove it home for $55. Just over 900 miles and am now putting the power down after break in and some warm temps in NJ. OMG!! Car is amazing. The Grand Sport is the sweet spot in the C7 line up. Mine is Shadow Gray Metallic and 1LT.

With Chevy ending production on the 6th Gen Camaro, and seeing as you all have never reviewed the Camaro SS. I would give anything to see a good thorough review on the SS 1LE because it truly is the best performance bang for your buck on the market. Would love for you all to review it.

I really like the C7 it’s a huge improvement over the C5 and C6 and possibly the Corvette in its best form But I like the C8 more as it is an important car as it is the first ever mid-engine Corvette and that’s better than having it as a crossover thank God Yes I was a bit upset with it not having a manual transmission but at the same time the DCT is a huge improvement over the automatic in the C7 and it has an engaging experience one of the few cars I’ll be okay with having an auto We do need a C8 Review by the one and only Mr. Geese

For the record, mono composite leaf springs were introduced in 1984 with the 4th generation Corvette. The C5-C7 continued the tradition.

Just bought a 2017 C7 Grand Sport convertible with the auto. Admiral blue with the heritage package. My local Porsche dealer just wanted it off their lot, lol. I know it was probably owned by someone of advanced years because the rear tires were original while the fronts were newer. I'm going to purchase a warranty and one of those DOD OBD2 defeat devices. Hopefully I get years of trouble free motoring. Enjoyed the video gentlemen.

I want a C7 vette one day but I have to admit that it`s not for me since I probably won`t race or track the car. I`ll probably be using it just for driving to places. I am completely aware that it`s a wrong car for my intended purpose but I love this car so much

I drove the C5 on Bondurant’s track, was like driving a race car with sloppy shifting (relative to real race car). I’ve driven C6 on street, much improved sfifting, WAY better interior, but yes, same as C5...too fast for the street. I’ve driven Porsche 997s/987s on the track, and can confirm the better steering feel, but the C5/6 is so much faster...so much more racecar experience, that the vette is just a no-brainer preference for the track. However, I’d take the Porsche’s for the street

I haven’t been interested in Corvette models since the C5 Z06. After this video I am interested in a C7 Grand Sport. Looks like they’ll make a great track car. (:

The problem with the cooling was the grille wasn't large enough. Thus they put a much larger grille on the ZR1 models. That being said the Z06 C6 is the pinnacle on the Front Engine Corvette for me, mostly because of that 427 LS7.

Another advantage of composite springs is supposedly infinite fatigue life. Since I'm only out on the track occasionally, the lack of adjustability is fine for me. And running pure synthetic ATF in my TR6060 makes the shift action fantastic. And I stayed away from the mag ride dampers. Instead, my car uses Sach German shocks. Honestly, the ride in my car is fantastic. So is the handling. It has terrific behavior on the track.

Chevy: We're not flying you out to Las Vegas to test the c8 Savagegeese: So you've chosen death

Love my C6 Grand Sport.

@16:27 That's crazy such a small/shallow waffle pattern actually makes a significant structural difference in strength. I'm sure you can thank computer modeling for that; that can basically figure out the exact amount of waffling to employ before the cost to benefit ratio starts to tip the wrong way in a matter of seconds. Great video! I always love the detail and editing style, and this is no different. Keep em' coming!

The C7 Corvette Grand Sport is a diamond in the rough and a very special sports car. This video has made me fall in love with the C7. I know Alex from Legit Street Cars would enjoy this homage to the outgoing C7. His C5 is also very special. When you look back at the Corvette, it's truly a very special sports car in its own unique way. Super bargain fun mobile in less than 1 year for sure (Grinning and wringing of hands)!!

Glad you guys finally did this. I love my manual Grand Sport and track it too. MGW shifter helps with better shifting feel. So far 3 cracked wheels so I ditched the stocks.

Starting the video with a nice and long burnout... that's how you instantly get a like!

What i didn't hear you mention when comparing this to hellcat or gt350 was that the corvette is 15k less, I know u said it was a preformance bargain. I applaud Chevrolet for keeping the price point more attainable for more people instead of going up with the comparable vehicles

"If you come from another premium car then that's what you get, it is a let down, that is a Corvette (commercial break)..." Perfectly timed midroll add.

Overall this was a good review, I own a 2018 grandsport. However I don't like the extreme words... like horrendous. There's nothing about this car that is at that level of poor quality. I have owned and driven many higher-end sports cars, however this car you get more than you pay for and it's understandable to say some things are lacking or you would prefer to see it differently, but nothing is that bad and should be described that poorly. I find the audio system to be a 7 out of 10, It's not bad if you tweak the settings a little bit. When it comes down to it, the price tag He's pretty impressive for what you get out of this car. Having the highest quality of everything else would jump the price tag another 10 to 20 thousand.

Needs more Turbowski! 😢

I rented a 2018 C7 Z06 with 1.2k miles from Hertz at SFO and immediately took it to Thunderhill for a trackday. You are right, it would start to overheat after 20 minutes (reduced engine power, and steering) it got so bad that the car wouldn't restart. I had to use Google to learn that I would have to disconnect the battery in order for it to start back up. [Hertz Dream Car Collection] FTW, I definitely got my $420 worth...heck you cant even replace a tire for that much.

we got a 2019 GS Automatic and love it. We got the plug-in that lets the car run only in the V8 mode. As for exhaust tone … yup the Vette has a super car sound. We also have a 2019 Mustang GT 5.0 with active exhaust and it sounds like a muscle car. Comparing both we love cruising around in the Vette best.

DELL. WOW. HERE WE GO BOYS WE MADE IT. QUACK.

I own a 3LT Grand Sport and I love the sound system...

Definitely one of your better reviews, very well researched. As a current owner of both a C6 Corvette and a 911.1 C2S, there is a difference, but not a wrong choice. I really appreciate how both of you see these cars differently because they are. When you own a Corvette, you don't see the justification for a 911. Vette's are very satisfying to drive with amazing performance that is affordable. With time and more experience driving sports cars, I finally looked at a 911 and realized how it meets other needs that a Vette cannot. It's not an insult at all, it's just the difference in philosophy. You can't really come to these decisions easily unless you own/drive them. I think going through the details on the engineering was an important exercise for everyone, including owners. Thank you for making video's like this one as both cars are very important to automotive history.

The Z51 wheels also bend commonly. The E-LSD also will break down fluid and introduce metal into the system VERY quickly (15k miles). My 44k mile car had 2 diff failures, one every 20k essentially and the second wasn't covered by a parts warranty despite being 2 years after the first one. I loved my C7 buy if I were to get one now, I would get a 2LT Coupe and add an aftermarket radiator, Z06 brakes, and a dry sump system too. The non-Z51 gearing is better for quarter mile runs too.

Jack killing it in this vid. Kudos.

I like this styling better than the brand new one.

So we done, so much knowledge. This could not have been done any better. Appreciate the reliability issues brought up. Thank you for this

Tried for months to get a C8 , couldn't get one with less than year wait so I bought a 2017 manual GS for a pretty good price . Now I don't even want the C8 lol To anyone on the fence just go for it .I've driven both and a stick C7 is way more fun as a toy/weekend car .