Funny that I'm seeing this comment; I was there today too lol

Please read into why this awful “tradition” is incredibly harmful and racist *I go to the university of illinois*

That's hilarious about the clapping. We made a song back in the day called "Tha ILLINI" check out the clapping. In some parts it's completely opposite of the beat. Hope u enjoy the vid! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gb-ndLKE39qYpH0.html

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VERY SAD> The removal of Chief Illiniwek has changed nothing. The hostile and abusive imagery of FSU??

@@illinidmd FSU works with the Seminole tribe though

Yea but you clearly don’t understand the REAL tradition y’all love to talk “tradition” but stripped natives of their traditions

@@kitkaatty2.280 LOL erasing them is better…..LOL

You are def white

@@kitkaatty2.280 you definitely have no clue what u are talking about

@@Sloppyplane37 and you do 🤔 whitie

@@kitkaatty2.280 yes I do racist

@@kitkaatty2.280 I'm native and i say bring the chief back Shut the hell up you liberal pos...

Can you link proof for their support? As a FN person myself who was heavily involved in dancing styles in this region, I dont recognize a damn thing he did as any brand of tradition, grass, or fancy. Compilation? None of that was anything we have ever done in this region. Still, if they supported his inclusion, lets see it. Found the study you were quoting. Its not conclusive it seems as the methodology has been found wanting.

@@shkotayd9749 Be more specific...

@@BillVol Specific how so? While originally supportive of the mascot, the Peoria people who are some of the last surviving remnants of the Confederation by 2000 did not support this mascot as it was not authentic to them or the outfit to the region. The dance certainly isnt. And yet most of you think its a real representation of the people. I mean, there really isnt any Illiniwek Confederation anymore as most of them were lost to illness or disease in days past. So, how would they poll them I ask? Maybe you should do a séance. Any educated person who looked for about 5 mins would have known this. But okay, to their elected leaders position: "Ron Froman was later elected Chief, by which time his views on the Chief Illiniwek symbol had changed. In April 2000, following meetings with American Indian students attending the University, the tribal council, with Chief Froman's support, passed by the margin of 3 to 2 a resolution requesting "the leadership of the University of Illinois to recognize the demeaning nature of the characterization of Chief Illiniwek, and cease use of this mascots [sic]".[21] Froman said, "I don't know what the origination was, or what the reason was for the university to create Chief Illiniwek. I don't think it was to honor us, because, hell, they ran our (butts) out of Illinois."[30] This puts Chief Illiniwek in a position different from that of the mascots of other schools such as Florida State University, whose American Indian mascots are not opposed by the leadership of the corresponding tribes. In 2005, a new Chief, John P. Froman, when asked his position by the NCAA, indicated that "the Chief was not representative of our tribe and culture, mainly because the costume is Sioux."[31] In 2006, in response to a widely published column by journalist George Will in support of the mascot's use, he wrote a letter reiterating the Peoria Tribe's opposition to the mascot and decrying that the "University of Illinois has ignored the tribe's request for nearly five years."[32]" If the nation the mascot claims to represent has spoken to their people and are okay with it, then the rest of us ought to be. I certainly think thats the case. If they are not, which is the case here, and people still keep supporting tripe like this, then it is immoral and wrong to continue to do so. We should be a society that when a thing is claimed to represent a reality, at least try to act by the facts, no? So, did you make up your stats, or what? There is no Illiniwek Confederation anymore. The people closest to this past gathering of nations spoke against it, and you are saying 87% are for it. Polling the student base may be iffy if they are, as many in this comment section are still under the impression this is an accurate portrayal of the people it claims to represent when the outfit is Lakota, and the dance appears to be made up and in my eye as a history as a dancer, is actually ridiculous. Its like watching a drunk freshman stumble about, and the crowd applauding him for doing classical ballet. And people are pretty mad they are getting called out for that lol :P

@@shkotayd9749 you're a freakin moron... you are the one that is calling him out... where is your proof.... you don't get to walk around with a sense of self entitlement cuz you disagree with what was being said.... Get a clue

@@greysongladney4403 best not to call people morons when that is exactly what you come across in this idiotic, witless reply. "where is your proof" I literally wrote it out in my replies you literal numbskull, which you apparently were too dumb to bother reading. The wiki on this issue and who the people are this mascot is claiming to have been give it no such weight. Get a clue.

The student that got to be Chief Illiniwek, actually had to go to a Souix (Might not have been Sioux, I can’t remember) Reservation, and learn the dances from the actual tribe

He’s our mascot, and if you I don’t say so, you are not a true fan.

The chief should be put in the hall of fame

Class of '69 here bro.

+Adam Maloy it wasn't a mascot, it was a symbol

@@iTZxaFRo Right. And, the Chief was the best symbol ever....

Thats because it is talking about Asian Indians not Native Americans. Native Americans are not Asian Indians.

I agree with you 100 💯 I thought the same thing!!!! We need to start A petition!!!! I-L-L!!!

Because FSU has permission to use Chief Osceola.

@@TearYouApart360 We has permission too tho

O rly? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Illiniwek "Licensed use of the logo by the university has been increasingly restrictive as a result of the ongoing controversy. Chief Illiniwek is not based on an actual American Indian chief, nor did a historical figure with this name ever exist." At the least, the headdress looks to be made of turkey feathers. Not an authentic dance of anything I have ever seen in these regions and I was both a singer and dancer for 25 plus years who travelled extensively. So then, how can it be a tribute? Those are Sioux clothing as well. Not used in that region at ALL. It so far looks fucking ridiculous as a mascot. Glad to see it go. If you really believe this was an honest presentation, then you really have been given a false image to go by and are proud of a fabrication that attempts to somehow pass as the real thing? In the Wiki as well: "Froman said, "I don't know what the origination was, or what the reason was for the university to create Chief Illiniwek. I don't think it was to honor us, because, hell, they ran our (butts) out of Illinois."[25] This puts Chief Illiniwek in a position different from that of the mascots of other schools such as Florida State University, whose American Indian mascots are not opposed by the leadership of the corresponding tribes. In 2005, a new Chief, John P. Froman, when asked his position by the NCAA, indicated that "the Chief was not representative of our tribe and culture, mainly because the costume is Sioux."[26] In 2006, in response to a widely published column by journalist George Will in support of the symbol's use, he wrote a letter reiterating the Peoria Tribe's opposition to the symbol and decrying that the "University of Illinois has ignored the tribe's request for nearly five years."[27]" So, care to reevaluate?

Shkotay D with the poverty, alcohol/substance abuse, depression/suicide and violence that plagues American Indian tribes, do you really think they give a shit about college/high school mascots? I wonder what it must feel like to have the national media only concentrate on mascots and not the real problems that have never been addressed in their tribes. They don’t give a shit about mascot names, they are more offended at the fact that no one cares about the current problems they face...you have to love white American liberals who tell everyone if they should be offended or not

@@shkotayd9749 who gives an oskee wow wow? Just because they didn’t represent the tribe correctly doesn’t matter and this war chant has been here for multiple years yet no one has ever noticed to call it out until now cancel culture isn’t my favorite and by the way they still have the name for the team lol

@@mariomario9209 apparently not you, "doesn’t matter and this war chant has been here for multiple years yet no one has ever noticed to call it out until now" Doesnt remove the falsehood its an authentic native originated dance of any type based on a completely fictional character the OP lied about that never existed, which means its based on a lie that hose it claims to represent have an issue with :P Who gives a shit if you like cancel culture or not? I dont like lies being mainstream. I guess you are ok with it. Argumetum ad populum is not helping you look any more legit btw.

@@shkotayd9749 I could name a handful of universities that still own “offensive mascots” in this situation it was just a few people at the university being to sensitive towards the mascot (this is just my take on the situation) and thus they didn’t want any backlash so the mascot retired and every time they play the theme from memorial stadium you can still hear people chanting for the chief even though it spreads “falsehood” many people still obviously care for the mascot And it shows, its a fictional character anyway and doesn’t represent a specific tribe so wtf

So a true Illini fan can't criticize a racist historical tradition? Come on, that doesn't follow. Besides, I was linked to it, and I suspect Justinwilson was.

true Illini fans would care more about the sorry ass state of our basketball and football teams under the direction of an asshat A.D. who cares more about pleasing alumni than anything else. But yeah go ahead and keep getting your panties in a bunch about a guy who danced around like an epileptic who just watched Dances with Wolves....bullshit like this is the reason why Illinois doesn't go anywhere in the sports that actually matter And just for the record, I'm not even anti-Chief. But I would rather spend my time and energy worrying about the performance of our teams on the field than focusing on this dance that was retired more than 10 years ago now

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Illiniwek Be a true fan of the team and all. But dont think your mascot was anything but a ridiculous fabrication that is seems many in the comments actually thought was a real thing. Its not, and its fucking ridiculous.

Sasha Chemey Explain to me how this is a “racist historical tradition”

What ethnic group are you referring to Jack?

Well said, I agree

why should we be offended by anything?

@@socalsocal88 actually there are plenty of native americans at UI and i'm sure a few have blood dated back to the people who used to own the illinois lands

@@socalsocal88 well since the Chief represent them they could bring him back under the stipulation they have exclusive control of the chief and functions

@@socalsocal88 well they better quicken the pace because they gave in two a handful of jaded cunts even when native americans supported and love the Chief.

Cleveland Indians?

Raider Red Join the fight at www.honorthechief.org Big things are happening this summer.

Yeah, we need to erase that Blimp Pritzker!

Yeahhh let's not go against the wishes of the only remaining tribe of the Illini Confederation. That's a bad idea.

It's not respectful, at all.

@@angieboom1177 Why exactly is it not respectful? Did you ever see the Florida State Seminole presentation?

@@stevewasserman905 Apparently my post was deleted. How convenient. Why do you think a white boy in an inauthentic costume, an inauthentic headdress, and face paint jumping around and doing gymnastics to made up "Hollywood Injun" music is respectful? Do you think that's actually what the Illini did?

@@angieboom1177 Can you say that it is not - with proof?

@@stevewasserman905 Yes, actually I can. There's this entire field of study you might have heard of, it's called Anthropology. Illini Indians did not wear buckskin shirts and pants. They did not wear that type of headdress. Further, there were no brass bands in the central part of North America 400 years ago. It is inauthentic, it is ignorant, it is offensive, and I'm glad it's gone. I'm glad all "Indian" mascots are disappearing and anyone who thinks they are respectful or cool is a backwards thinker.

NCAA basically said that the Chief needed to go, otherwise UofI wouldn't be eligible to host certain events. It's a very controversial decision, sure, but there's basically nobody online who has the whole story straight, so it's useless to say it's "only" wrong or right. It's a bit of both, more likely. What we do know is that there were multiple occasions in which the Chief was a racist and misrepresentative symbol. It's just a fact of the matter, and isn't up for debate. Having people who are not Native American and/or have not taken the time to understand Native American culture should not take on the role of a Native American Chief, regardless of the separate University traditions that people remember the Chief for. Outside of that, my own personal opinion is the fact that people still yell "CHIEF!" during halftime performances and openly criticize the decision to remove the symbol only shows that most people have not taken the time to look into why the symbol was taken away. Yes, it sucks that it was done so without asking students, and it's very disappointing that such a powerful symbol was lost. However, people need to understand that the cost of certain traditions was the cultural appropriation and harmful perpetuation of racial stereotypes of Native American people. Not good.

Chris Johnson well the just banned the war chant...you should have knocked on wood

Jason Zaremba you mean a top university is a joke? One of the absolute best music schools in the country is a joke? Yeah the football team may be a joke now, but they still have a decent basketball team, a good baseball program, great wrestling, gymnastics, and other low level talked about sport programs. But the level of education you need to get into the school isn't a joke, but whatever lol.

“What do you mean the San Francisco Negroes is an offensive team name?!”

Molly Batchelder not really

Not just a Sioux, a God Dam Sioux! 🤔

You stop the stupidity!

If illiniwek is racist your dumb ass emoji is racist with its dark glasses and black hat with it's I cant grow a real mustache.

poppie1582 he’s being sarcastic...