I think it's a Brisk

@Calum Tatum I’ve always disliked that expression “pick your brain” It disturbs me.

@Calum Tatum it’s very visceral, gory sounding and minatory

@@NoKZfaqName1 I learned a word. Thanks.

liability

The military itself made it illegal really. The effort to have someone do any good work is above that level is difficult. They don't want people hurting themselves or others in addition. They put the rule so a recruiters and others would not just get anyone to make the quota numbers.

As @TheElderTK said, LIABILITY. They don't want a dumbass to get killed - or cause his own company to get killed - in a time of wartime, for instance.

???

Are u high?

​@discobacon5160 he recommended putting people in ghettos or internment camps if they refused to take the now thoroughly discredited Pfizer product

You have no idea what you're on about.. Moving on.

You don't know what "corporate shill" even means, frendo. Stay in your fucking lane.

I'm going to start using the word Commisar! Had to look that one up after hearing him say it.

It’s funny that Noam Chomsky tries to say that differences in intelligence between groups doesn’t exist… But his intelligence is clearly way higher than the lady that is asking the question. Irony? Lol

@@charlesg7926 What's wrong about her questio?

@@charlesg7926 there are explainations for that if you bother to look, its not as easy as genetic makeup, but it has alot to do with social context/construct, up bringing, background ..etc, but possibly its easier for you to think otherwise.

@@charlesg7926 English clearly isn't her first language, imbecile. How many languages do YOU speak? And there's nothing wrong with her question anyway. Numerous universities have conducted tests with the unanimous conclusion that I.Q. levels aren't inherent to race. The very notion of anything else is absurd. Yours is the sort of pathetic transparency that Chomsky references.

Arch5tanton Welfare is not a safety net, it’s a facade. Black families have been destroyed by private prisons, segregation, open discrimination, and income inequality. Welfare is a side note.

get the line straight. peace. “This has nothing to do with evil and god, this has to do with the rich powerful people, trying to justify the fact that they are pursuing social policies which are forcing children to die. That is what it has to do with.¨

who are you quoting? & who are you correcting?

Yo why aren't you in DebateCom that much anymore?

Correcting Chomsky and his neomarxist lies.

Which happens to coincide with reality.

but the correlation is an indication of their culture not their inherent inability. we have seen indigenous Americans get same levels of IQ just in 1 generations as Europeans when they lived together in the same society and there was education schooling and modern institutions. And the differences even out in big enough populations they become meaningless. It just shows that the human brain is just like a sponge waiting to be programmed , and it's very important how you program it since birth upbringing from family society culture and schooling

Lmfao all he did was tell the truth 😂

Know he didn't. He said the New York times articles were bullshit about black families. What don't you understand about that. The media run with a narrative that's not true and ppl like you eat it up cause it helps you sleep at night.

There is an accepted correlation between race and IQ. The debate is whether it’s from environment, genetics, or a mixture (and how much of each one comprises the mixtures proportions)

Fuckedupfascist.com

I think it's this: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,981658,00.html&ved=2ahUKEwjT3ImLxYTrAhUL-qQKHWDODW8QFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw1YHWtA7dTzsEE7jATsw2HK Time Magazine wrote a few more reviews of the Bell Curve, all of them seemingly positive.

Because IQ is a subjective term. It's like trying to determine which race tastes chocolate the best. The answer only serves a subjective point of view.

@@joegallegos9109 : IQ isn't subjective there are clear tests. Just as there are clear tests for long distance running. IQ only tests a few areas so clearly not everything. Just like testing 10,000 meter running speed doesn't test for all running.

Don't know. But I doubt that any ONE "race" or nationality, would score supreme on intelligence, because it seems to me, that all human societies need it. (Unless you want your society to turn out like the movie Idiocracy. 😏) I have heard something about high IQ scores among Ashkenazi Jews though. Probably because some studies have been done there. Claims have also been made about Asians' mathematical ability and so on.

@@oneoflokisyou’re a wishful thinking fool

@@oneoflokisit’s pure fact that there is discrepancy. Not even the left debates that now. They just argue that it’s artificially created

Is there anything that he mentioned in the vid, that u think was irrational to the point you wonder why people are taking him seriously?

True, many folks FEEL that race is biological despite science proving it's not.

Chomsky’s cult always oblivious to what science means.

Hes Jewish

What he did here was to point out that the reasoning of different races having different IQ led to policies which results in the misery and suffering of Black and Hispanics. In that regards he is not wrong.

As he always does. He has been a highly respected and admired mind for decades, and he has never once made a point.

Yepp. Just a bunch of nonsense coloroised by emotional load. Typical for someone who can’t do real science.

@@Frenchfrys17 Yes, but it doesn't actually answer the question. That's called being evasive.

Put down the Lynn and learn some basic sociology.

%100 true, but he explains why. He tells us explicitly that, in his opinion, the argument connecting race and IQ lacks merit and is not worthy of being taken seriously.

I think you are as guilty of throwing buzzwords as he is.

Average jew

see the jew lie 0:39@@haroldgarling1063

@@edwardeller4579he ASSERTS it lacks merit, he does nothing to demonstrate that

prove it.

@@user-du9zt5rp5x certainly. All the data is in race and iq by Edward dutton. The bell curve by Charles Murray is another handy reference. You're welcome

@@madforit2 iq tests have to do with the education and wealth. do you really think that someone from africa can't score as much as a white does if they both have the same education level and similar life style?

@@user-du9zt5rp5x Heritability of intelligence is 0.8. You could take person A who was born to high iq parents but raised by low iq parents and in a poor environment with average education and do the opposite for person B and person A will still have a higher IQ

@@madforit2 okay but is this a racial trait? Generations become smarter as their life quality improve. African-americans in the US have higher iq than the Africans that live where the african americans were brought from, why? It's not because they changed their race. It's because their life quality improved. So when you say race and iq have a correlation, it means that some races are inherently smarter than the others but it's not true.

Hey, I totally agree. Thankfully, in America you don’t need to be smart to make money. Every Tom, Dick and Harry out there is making money off of the capitalist, consumer driven economy. By hook or by crook. The only (tiny) requirement is to not be lazy. And yes, we can all get by in life, quietly and with dignity, without ruffling too many feathers. In the end we will disappear into infinite nothingness and no-one will give a damn what we did with our lives and how we lived. And we can’t take any of our money with us, wherever the heck it is that we’re going.

that was eloquently nihilistic, yet hopeful :)

I think you should read more about IQ and why it is an almost entirely useless measure of any sort of human utility. Otherwise I understand your sentiment and think it is a good one.

@@MrHitomiplum Thank you for comment. I know haven't read enough books to say Whether IQ is a good measurement for wellbeing of living life. Especially in terms of "value" of life. However, Richard Haire said correlations of success of life(meaning business), marriage life and even longevity with IQ score is very strong. Ricard is respectful scientist and I would never think he talks gibberish. Point is life is "actually" unfair and many people suffer from it. If he finds way of improving IQ it would be revolutionary. Until then we need to acknowledge its unfairness and keep Hopes...

@@qttelescope8363 I'll look into Richard Haire and perhaps read some of his work (I have a lot on my plate at the moment!), but it is interesting that he believes success in life intrinsically means success in business. There are reasons why IQ would correlate with business success and they do not necessarily have to do with intelligence, but instead other factors that would lead one to *believe* that business success is how they should measure their self-worth. If you understand this, you may see why IQ correlation with an outcome does not mean IQ causation with that outcome. Otherwise I do agree that life is unfair, and I personally believe that suffering is never deserved. Attempts at improving the lives of those who are suffering should rightfully be celebrated, but be aware of what the people making these attempts classify as improvement. It will help you understand them, and also understand yourself. All the best to you.

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Bad jeans is a problem since its colour can easily fade or be rent.

Genes?

@@jmgeiger527 he’s trolling 😂😂

It’s impossible to solve

I think it's an article about Richard Herrnstein & Charles Murray's book "The Bell Curve", in which they claim that race determines IQ. It's a racist argument from beginning to end. But you should read it for yourself & see if you can conjure a convincing opinion of the book & its arguments.

​@huizhechen3779 nobody claims "race determines IQ". Differences in IQ distribution for different ancestral groups have been found countless times, in studies that have been replicated a lot more than anything regarding climate change or economics.

@@huizhechen3779 "racist" argument? That's the ultimate conclusion you came to? Yes, genetics has a part in determining your maximum intelligence. Yes, different racial groups came about in history and have different maximum intelligences. This isn't rocket science.

That's nice, but have you ever considered that South Koreans _really do_ have the claimed avg IQ?

SUPREME OVERLORD really? systemic racism (slavery, jim crow, redling, housing discrimination, mass incarceration) had nothing to do it?

+oneloveonebeing Were talking about Asians they live near/in China i have no idea why you bring up USA specific things not to mention most of those laws were just meant to keep people separated. If people want to discriminate on who they sell houses to it's their choice. It's a known fact that selling to blacks instantly lowers the market value of that house/neighborhood you can scream racism all you want doesn't change the facts.

We know for a fact the IQ gap is hereditary. It's settled science.

Saddem Gargouri yes

correlation implies a set of points with quantitative coordinates, im afraid race is qualitative.

but there is a fairly strong correlation between average temperature at origin and IQ, something like r=-0.35 i believe

Traian Coza Thanks buddy! I just looked it up. :p There are two general types of data. Quantitative data is information about quantities; that is, information that can be measured and written down with numbers. Some examples of quantitative data are your height, your shoe size, and the length of your fingernails. Speaking of which, it might be time to call Guinness. You've got to be close to breaking the record. Qualitative data is information about qualities; information that can't actually be measured. Some examples of qualitative data are the softness of your skin, the grace with which you run, and the color of your eyes. However, try telling Photoshop you can't measure color with numbers.

Is there a correlation between IQ and people who like green pyjamas? Probably. Small correlations occur between psychological variables all the time, they rarely say anything interesting. The more important question is this: is there a correlation between IQ and Intelligence, eg. as measured by education and employment success? The answer??? Hold on to your horses everyone!!! Anything from as low as r=.2 to only as high as r=.4. In other words, IQ is only a moderate measure of the thing it seeks to measure - intelligence. This is not surprising as intelligence is a broad and complex human capacity determined by many biological and social factors. As for race? Well, race is also a complex idea. Any smart biologist will tell you that it is hard to give a clear definition of race. Genetic variation, for example, does NOT generally correlate too well with phenotypes (physical features such as skin and hair colour). When comes to psychology, simple questions can lead to complex answers or sometimes the realisation that the questions were just plain wrong in the first place.

A correlation of r=.35 is a weak to moderate correlation (about 13 percent of the variance). I'm not sure of "average temperature at origin" means but I assume your saying that people who come from countries where the weather is warmer have a lower IQ? If this is the case then there are many, many questions about how scientists divided people into warmer and colder areas of the world and at what date in history they stipulated the "origin" of the race.

zero logic

"Logic? I understand where you're coming from, but what we're really talking to is imperical, demonstrable, repeatable, observations...like performance on the same intelligence (I.Q.) tests given to different races at the same time and place. Not saying infallible, they just eliminated as many variables as possible when the test was given.

@Frog King ,please explain ?

Dude. Have you read the critiques on the Bell Curve? Or are you just screeching because muh race realism?

@Frog King Yes, yes it is

@@asdf1991asdf nah, this has all been debunked.

@@asdf1991asdf I can just reply with "yes it has" but that's not going to get anywhere. Would it help if I go away and find the resources I read where they explained how IQ levels are affected by socio-economic factors, education etc. I don't have the time to get these things for you, you can look them up yourself.

@Eric Bowman Anyone can experience racism. White people are just unable to experience systemic racism since it spans centuries back.

Eric Bowman the irony of you telling somebody to stop believing nonsense which you revise the dictionary to suit your parasitic interests.

It's still not a real argument. This is like the "I'm going into labor" bit in The Office.

not all blacks are good at sports. and vice versa

@@Gothicc_senpai ofcourse there are exceptions. We are talking about average here

@@user-xo3wo9zq2vThis comment is stupid and racist on so many levels. You should be ashamed of yourself.

@@BlessedOne686 give him a reason to be ashamed because now he only thinks you’re an idiot.

The truth is not that they are good at sports, but with a low intelligence that’s what is left for them to do, a tall white man with great genes and physical abilities is more likely to be a doctor than a player.

Except his argument against race and IQ lasted 3 minutes and 22 seconds.

@@NanakiRowan if that's what you consider an argument.

@@jimmyjimmy7240 It has nothing to do with my opinion. It is what he was literally doing for 3 minutes and 22 seconds lol

@@NanakiRowan it's certainly your opinion. Using jargon doesn't mean you're actually making any arguments. He didn't respond to any claims with any counter arguments. He just said, in short, "it's wrong." I take it you don't know what a dialectic is or analytics; I take it you also don't read much. This is how people like him get people like you to believe absolutely anything by saying absolutely anything, or nothing at all.

@@jimmyjimmy7240 Again, Chomsky's 3 minute and 22 second argument against race and IQ is not my opinion. It is an objective fact. You're basically saying that the video you're currently commenting on, doesn't exist lol

Nice point.

Terrible point lol. IQ isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good in terms of being an indicative measure.

@Sunbro It's no perfect, I agree, but it's something. It can give us what we need in order to develop proper tests and not just 1 that only measures 1 thing: cognitive intelligence (the most popular and known form of intelligence)

@Sunbro Jesus. Imagine bothering to post something as inane as that lol. Good luck to you sir.

Brain dead argument

"why wouldn't there be different intellects among races?" define "race". or fuck, let's just jump to the proper conclusion, shall we? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE. www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/10/genetics-history-race-neanderthal-rutherford/

@@thomasneal9291 Race is defined as a group related by common descent or heredity. Often, these groups also share similar phenotypic traits. For example, not only are Aboriginal Australians and European Australians easily distinguished from one another physically, but they also have different susceptibilities to addiction, different lifespans, eye colour, average heights, weights, income etc. If there is no such thing as race, why do African Americans dominate basketball? Surely all races would be equally adept at the game if they're all interchangeable?

@@thomasneal9291 if there is no such thing as race, how do they decide who gets affirmative action?

intelligence is a complex trait influenced by hundreds or thousands of genes and regulatory loci. While it is easy for populations to quickly acquire differences that only involve a small number of genetic markers, such as pigmentation or hair texture, it would take a much greater evolutionary pressure to exert an influence on traits as complex and environmentally malleable as intelligence. The genetic variation within human populations is much greater than variation between populations. This does not mean that most variation in intelligence is within rather than between populations. However, it does make such a reality seem very possible. It also indicates that selection pressures have not resulted in a remarkable winnowing of the gene pool that we inherited from our shared ancestral base. Evolutionary psychology is a fascinating, yet absurdly speculative field. There are thousands of potential ways that different environmental factors might impact populations on a psychological level. Anthropological studies have revealed astonishingly divergent cultural norms arising from small, genetically indistinguishable tribal groups in the same environment. As for my own speculation, I would argue that cultural selection for psychological traits is a greater determinant of reproductive fitness than any direct environmental factor. The highly tribal and therefore highly diverse nature of most of human cultural history largely precludes the development of large homogenous cultural trends across regions selecting for lower or higher intelligence. I would also argue that intelligence is universally valuable in helping one's potential for social selection. Whether it is hunting, fighting, story-telling, making music, toolmaking, leading, or manipulating people's opinions, intelligent people have an advantage over their peers in any skill that might making them socially desirable and therefore more reproductively fit in their community.

@@victorvelie3980 So do you think that intelligence is the same across groups? Sorry, bit too wordy to decipher.

You mean like having a father in the home? Yeah that would help development

@@Yodumeee Why do you think those fathers are absent?

@@Yodumeeelol dude just throw in a strawman right

Success in cognitively complex western culture is determined mainly by 2 factors, IQ and conscientiousness.

@@annsheridan12 which isn’t that deep after all. And this term is according to some not a universal truth or objective reality at the end it’s subjective. And also what do you refer with western ? That concept is so recycled and te used to refer to many things many ideas

Her question was directly about and article saying races have lower IQs what are you referring too...

@@mamatoldem5331 If you have a direction question I'll answer.

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@Billy B I cannot be school without citations. Cite me.

Yes very dishonest title

All of the traits you mentioned, vary more within so-called races than between them. There is no environmental pressure that would select for higher intelligence in some human groups over others. All human groups mastered their environments, and thrived in them.

@@NanakiRowan "All of the traits you mentioned, vary more within so-called races than between them." This is irrelevant. Height varies more amongst men than it does between men and women, yet we can still observe a significant average height difference between men and woman. Are you going to tell me there are no genetic reasons for why West Africans dominate sprinting, East Africans the marathon, North Europeans power lifitng etc? "There is no environmental pressure that would select for higher intelligence in some human groups over others." So there were environmental pressures that lead to average group differences in just about any physiological trait you could care to measure (literally millions of measurable differences) but the brain (80% of the genome) somehow remained unaffected? Temperament, preference, memory, abstraction, altruism, creativity, pitch, rhythm etc. all exactly the same to 10 decimal places? Total blank slates from the neck up?

@@Chad-on8jg It's entirely relevant because you are trying to argue for some difference between so-called races using traits that are found at greater variance within so-called races. What you're trying to do is a logical fallacy. There also are not "millions of measurable differences" within the human species. As I said, there is no environmental pressure that would select for higher intelligence in some human groups over others. Thank you for affirming my statement.

@@NanakiRowan The finalists of the 100m are almost invariably eight men of West African descent. The fact that there is greater variance within groups does not nullify the observable and measurable differences between groups. And yes, there are millions of measurable differences between groups. Pretty much any trait you care to measure will reflect average differences across groups. Jaw width, age at onset of puberty, estrogen levels, breast composition, enamel strength, speed of hair growth, diabetes rates, lower back hair, liver function... literally everything. Of course, most of it is inconsequential, so we either don't bother measuring it or place no importance on it when we do measure it. As for no environmental pressure that would give rise to differences in cognition, might not availability of food, length of winter period, climate, presence of predators, presence of prey etc. not lead to differences in cognition like it did with every other species? Indeed, we can observe divergent evolution of personality in just a few generations in rates, dogs and other animals? Only perverse political idealism could lead one to think humans are exempted from the same forces we can observe everywhere else in nature.

@@Chad-on8jg I'm sorry, but sports performance has nothing to do with race, and you are still wrong anyway, as the finalists of the 100m, are all African Americans and Afro-Caribbeans, all of whom are also of European descent. I can't believe that you're trying to claim that Europeans have some sort of "hockey gene" to explain their overperformance in hockey. You're off your rocker, mate. Yes, the fact that there is more genetic variation within groups than between them, is relevant, as it shows that people within groups are more different from each other than they are to people in different groups. I'm sorry, but there are not "millions of measurable differences" between groups. Naming a few is not "a million", and all of the traits you mentioned are still found in greater variation within groups. I'd love for you to explain how a long winter period would select for greater intelligence than a long drought period. Or how living in an area with less predators would select for greater intelligence than living in an area with a high amount of predators. I'd also love for you to explain to me how canine intelligence is the as human intelligence, as you are attempting to compare the two. I think you're very confused about all of this.

Totally! Which is why we see the most advanced civilizations coming from the Inuits, Siberians, and indigenous North Americans.

I unironically believe this. Worth noting, being wired for survival is not the same as "smarts"- I've worked with plenty of smart programmers from temperate regions. But growing up in the cold gives you a sense of when to leave bad situations very quickly.

😂😂😂😂😂

@@NanakiRowan seriously what advanced civilization came from the Inuits or North American natives? Cmon I’m waiting…

@@Falcon_Serbia That is my point, genius, and that's why this moron's statement is false.

He tends to be a good example of his own theory on left wing gatekeeping, where the liberal bias is meant to set the boundaries of the discourse. IQ can be effected by race without the specific claims of a specific essay being true - Chomsky's my favourite commie tbh. He's often accurate about media and corporate control, and he's often in lockstep with the usual rhetoric that's limiting to discourse. Simultaneously belonging to philosophy and belonging to a tribe. Perhaps it is genetic…In any case, I miss his brilliance.

Gears of progress? Like Charlottesville and Buffalo

@@briansinger5258 Race and IQ was pretty thoroughly debunked by Whatifalthist and Sarah Z

“Gears of progress,” eh? Care to elaborate?

you should look Althuser

Without instruction in the field of critical thinking dishonest assertions and arguments can come across as plausible and convincing.

@@Alsatiagent sorry I am a moron can you simplify?

@@hortlockthelivingdead4676 It's just that people can easily be fooled. Most just don't have the time to do research. Some basic mass media and modes of reasoning training can go a long way to tune ones bs detector. I think they should be taught in high school. The subject matter is not as intimidating as it sounds. I dropped out of school at the age of fifteen and returned for night courses as an adult many years later. Thirty years later and I still think it was one of the best decisions I ever made. Have a decent day.

@@Alsatiagent I appreciate your courage

Of course he doesn't, he wouldn't touch the subject with a 12 foot poll.

@@robertfarrell6479 Not true. He has written about the subject - and long ago. See "The Chomsky Reader," p. 199-202.

there is no connection between race and IQ

@Richard Hoffman You're not a good reader.

​@richardhoffman3610natsoy midwit

okay, explain yourself. Give a real example.

@@lamartrade7415 he’s basically saying that raising minimum wage hurts most.

You have to score above a high cut off on an intelligence test to join the NFL. The test is the Wonderlic test.

Same genes same results, different genes different results Twin studies find that IQ is 80% heritable in individuals who share the same genes: Bouchard Jr, Thomas J., and Matt McGue. _"Genetic and environmental influences on human psychological differences."_ Journal of neurobiology 54, no. 1 (2003): 4-45. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/neu.10160

@@migarsormrapophis2755 on an individual bases and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has, but it is absolutely not based off of man made racial classifications from the 19th century

@@MESSI-fx1ob "on an individual bases and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has, but it is absolutely not based off of man made racial classifications from the 19th century" first off: *basis, not bases second: "and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has" - no, hardly debatable at all, the impact genes have is about 80% according to the science (see my link to the paper) third: "but it is absolutely not based off of man made racial classifications from the 19th century" - not exactly sure what you mean by 'but it is not based off racial classifications,' what is 'it' in this context? You mean the heritability of IQ? I have some bad news for you about the stability of IQ means across time and between races if so, but I'm not sure that's what you're referring to. Are you referring to the broad heritability of phenotyipc traits? Again, bad news, the majority of gross human physical traits (height, skin color, eye color, hair color, congenital diseases, intelligence, number of fingers, number of teeth, sex, lifespan, etc) are all highly heritable, both individually and within populations. There's a reason why an anthropologist can determine with 99% accuracy where the majority of your ancestors lived during the past 10,000 years, and indeed, why a geneticist can determine with 100% accuracy where the majority of your ancestors lived during the past 10,000 years. I'm not disagreeing with your original comment, by the way, different environments will result in different outcomes, I was merely pointing out that different genes will _also_ result in different outcomes.

@@MESSI-fx1ob even after you edited your comment for the third, you forgot to correct "bases" to "basis" You know you can just reply in a new comment, right? Moreover, I'd like to point out, though it has no implications for the larger discussion, that racial classifications were not made in the 19th century, but many thousands of years ago. The Ancient Egyptians wrote about such things and I believe there may be earlier allusions to human race in Sumerian texts. It hardly matters _when_ races were classified, of course: radioactivity was first discovered and named in 1896, but I think we can both agree the _phenomenon_ existed _before_ it was observed by man. Sir Richard Owen created the first classifications for dinosaur genera in 1842, but you wouldn't say that dinosaurs started existing in 1842, would you? Not that any of that matters, the fact that genes play a role in determining human phenotypes, and that there are such things as population-level phenotypes, and those phenotypes are largely determined by heritable genetic factors, is not in dispute by biologists.

@@MESSI-fx1ob I'm the one who cited a scientific study that supports my points. So far, you've offered nothing but badly spelled assertions. My position is quite in line with academia - at least, biologist academia. I would say that your position is misaligned with our understanding of genetic heritability within populations, but I'm not entirely sure what "on an individual bases and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has" means, so I can't comment. I might turn your baseless accusation of biased personal motivations around on you and suggest that you've already made your conclusions based on your politics, and so you reject any evidence which contradicts your position, a perfectly anti-science way of thinking, but I shall not cast such aspersions upon you. I have no way of knowing your internal motivations from reading only two youtube comments, just as you have no way of knowing mine. I encourage you once more to read Bouchard et al., the link remains above. Whatever your politics may be, IQ remains 80% heritable.

1. There isn't. 2. If there were, why would that justify a different treatment?

@@milocavaliere8828 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bpOUbNxprN-uYJs.html

@@milocavaliere8828 1. There is 2. Because people strive for an ideal society.

That’s not true, we should treat children with the same respect we do adults, and there are racial differences. They’ve even studied cross race adoption and the correlation is the same. It’s not all racism, not even close

@@attic2basement It’s uncomfortable knowing this because people deny it straight up and think you are a horrible person for looking objectively at 100 years of documented research. I still think biology is more complex than the IQ test. It tests one facet of the human mind, pattern recognition. Some ethnicities likely selected more for quick thinking, planning, reflexes, socializing etc. so I think it’s right to say we’re different, but not objectively better or worse. Although IQ is correlated with higher likelihood of success in our present society…

Green Brain Seaside In this case it's an article in the New York Times

GorillaGuerilla But I think the article was talking about The Bell Curve

lol

@@jamesreilly3679 it's closely related though. there is a reason why some races are more prone to spending hours quietly beavering through books and equations while others are more likely to spend their waking moments playing the knockout game

And the two are interconnected.

And social destruction causes low IQ. Although genetics plays a role too

Yes. Hedge that in there......

Dumb parents can have smart kids. It's unfair to lump everything into race and IQ when there's a lot of factors that play into it

+Alex chomsky is much more popular when nobody knows what he is blabbering about.

I think Chomsky is right. The internet is rife with BS on race and IQ. Stupidly, I make comments on these videos stating how IQ is poor measure of intelligence and outline many of unscientific arguments made about race and biology. Truth is, though, most of the people uploading and watching these videos are not interested in the scientific evidence, they are interested in views that fit their own racists views or fears about others who look or act differently to themselves.

+danzigvssartre it doesn't make a lot of sense to just say somebody is right, you should state precisely what point you are referring to.

boliussa Did you not watch the video? It only goes for 3 minutes. He makes a simple point. He says that there is no point in engaging in debate with those who espouse the pseudoscience of race and IQ as they are pushing an agenda to justify the social injustices in society that they are profiting from. “He” refers to Noam Chomsky in case I’m being too vague for you.😂

+danzig well obviously there is no point engaging in pseudo-science and there is no point in arguing for enforcing social injustices. But if somebody is making a point about race and IQ(in a way that is not pseudo-science), and to say that this is an explanation for e.g. lack of success, and thus it's not whites or jews keeping them down, and they(the failing or violent group), have no basis for making accusations of racism to explain their failures, then that's an important point to make.

Things like the drug war, war on poverty, job laws against post-incarcerated ensuring repeat offenses - a lot of these things are just euphemisms for anti-minority policies.

not enough affirmative action, reparations, racial quotas, section 8, reverse discrimination etc

He debunked it first, have you even watched the clip? He said it's because of poverty in black and latino communities.

There is no need to refute such a factual and evidential statement.

Rhetoric is far more powerful than logic to the masses because the average human values emotions over rationality.

@@jameseldridge3445 He doesn't even have rhetoric. He's just mumbling buzzwords.

He attacks America and, to the many disaffected band kids who hated how the football team got all the attention, he intellectualizes the impotence they felt then extrapolates it to a wider society as they age. He validates them. It’s not even spiritual, it’s just people with Cluster B personality disorders coalescing around a narrative.

He was never ur hero to begin with, stop pretending to be leftist.

@@ricksanchez4045 "Manufacturing Consent" was interesting to me....I suppose "hero" is a stretch. I liked what he was exposing to the public eye. I don't pretend anything.

@@ricksanchez4045 How difficult is it to write your vs. ur?

No, its iq

@@gustavo042 No it isn't.

@@64ig6kg0 "always" - when you say so... But obviously: if difference itself matters (instead of the concrete outcome, where we would reasonably differentiate between 'people are left with nothing and starve' and 'the guy can afford a Porsche'), then we deal with an environment in which competition prevails.

@@TheCommono Sorry for necroing, but the point of IQ isn't just who can afford a posrch and buy a mansion, what always comes to mind when discussing IQ tends to be differences in the high end, who wins a Nobel prize, who becomes doctors, physics professors, and runs the multinational companies. And that's important to discuss in terms of whether the racial disparities at the top end are the result of actual discrimination, or actual differences in ability. But IQ is also very predictive at the low end, whether people are can hold down a job, whether they end up doing drugs committing crimes, develop mental illnesses, fall pregnant at an early age, all sort of lifestyle predictors. So you can't just brush this off as some sort of elite status symbol for who gets into private schools. A lot of the life outcomes which the left complains about can be traced down to IQ. And obviously I'm not going to say racial discrimination doesn't exist, but it's a self perpetuating cycle, groups exhibit bad behaviour, bad behaviour leads to people having a bad impression of said group, bad impression lead to feeling marginalised, that feeling leads to more bad behaviour. There is plenty of bad blood on both sides of the equation

@@Xalgucennia Don't know if it's your reading skills or my bad english. All I was saying is that in a situation where two people want both the same thing, only one can finally have it (that is the abstract meaning of 'competition'). Imagine two guys with the exact same IQ. Now you tell me, how the hell the outcome of that competition relies to IQ. A real world example: car companies can have the most brilliant engineers, but when the market is saturated, people will simply not by more cars, as people can drive only so many cars or cannot afford more than one car etc. But I see, you want to select the guys and pamper them. Do you eventually have a need to be pampered?

@@TheCommono Not exactly sure what you're trying to get at here but, this is my interpretation of what you're saying That's a hypothetical, but how often does this happen in the real world where you get two people with EXACTLY the same qualifications. This isn't the case we're talking about here, or one that we're really worried about in real life. We're talking about obvious disparities between groups which obviously play out in any free market of talent and ideas. As for luxuries, who are you to draw the line at what is and isn't a luxury? Is it the bare minimum of survival? There is very little actual life threatening poverty and absolute starvation in the west. And if you're invoking actual communism where luxuries are distributed evenly, then why would anyone ever work harder than the bare minimum?

@@Xalgucennia Why would the group exhibit bad behavior to begin with?

Because it isn't debunked. Eugenics has a sinister history so you can understand the disgust.

@@DRtwinkies eugenics isn’t “sinister” you’re not stable it seems. Probably drives you to tears and emotions..

@@freckleheckler6311 eugenics literally leads to atrocities, wtf are you talking about you nazi loser💀💀💀

Good thing no one in that conversation is a Nazi

+Rob Jackson - lol what if they're right though? You just gonna ignore that?

This clip is from the 90s. It has nothing to do with the Harris-Klein thing.

And Nazis aren't right. They're alt-right. They alter the facts until they can pretend that they're right.

+D. M. Collins - was that a play on words or you saying that the alt right are nazis? which is wrong btw.

TRUUU

Somewhat. But there's also a lot of blaming everyone else for problems I think rather than trying to solve them, and also there's a lot of being told ''you won't ever achieve X because of Y (usually being oppressed/poor), so all you will amount to is Z'', so people are doomed from the start, it's a vicious circle. That type of attitude is very common in some communities, and you're kidding yourself if you think it's entirely the fault of the people that 'benefit, and that these communities are doing everything they possibly can to thrive and it's not at all their fault they're being held back. There's too much focus these days on picking and milking negative situations to say ''see - told you that's how it is'' rather than positives. People have also come from circumstances that are just as bad and thrived. Entire countries have faced wars, genocides, mass destruction, and risen rapidly, just in our recent history. Some on the other hand still blame things that happened 100, 200+ years ago for their problems today and remain far behind, others get on with it and thrive. It's a bit of both I think.

It's not a victim. Some people are better than others.

@@a54109 Well, that's a remarkably shallow statement

It’s not about blaming. Blame is an emotional response. The intellectual capacity between different groups is a scientific and psychological fact, proven through studies, testing and research. Emotions have nothing to do with it

Got shit to do with immigration, it's a numbers game. You know when Erid Idle sang "I like Chinese", same applies here. And it becomes extra stupid by leaving the inner EU market, it will be another self-inflicted wound. And if immigrants/refugees are such a problem then UK should consider not partaking in just about any middle-east military adventure their retarded big brother USA asks them to join.

I don't know where you find this existential danger as it is the same as in USA, meaning that the major threat to Americans are other americans. I don't believe that the working class is burdened by immigrants, I believe in what statistics tell me and that is that the average immigrants starts working quite a bit faster than a newborn and if I again use USA as an example a lot of work is done by immigrants as well as paying a lot of taxes. UK: Media has also reported on nurses and doctors from other countries have to leave because of Brexit, which will further contribute to shortages of workers. Some of this It's not because of immigrants that austerity is tied to 120.000 deaths according to a study, it's because of the 2008 economic problem in USA and the following austerity measures decided by Tory governments. There's is strength in being a big market and that is something that has hugely benefited USA for years, and now UK will face problems because it will make movement in services, products and humans more difficult and it's hard to see any economic benefit from doing so. I wouldn't be too worried about IQ levels as this seem to happen worldwide: www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-are-iqs-dropping-on-a-worldwide-basis_us_59743580e4b0f1feb89b4423 I believe the answer to that is more and more education, not just in time spent on studies but making it easier for people to start college and especially work to get rid of financial obstacles. Generally I agree with the optimism of Steven Pinker although the main worry is a larger clash between east and west as well how countries are moving away from democracy.

Wet Stoffels refusing an argument by saying “Not an argument” either means that you didn’t understand it or it means that you’re intimidated by it. I’ll go with didn’t understand it.

Sure thing buddy.

Because he doesnt have an argument

OBAMA got a NOBEL peace prize based on a promise he never kept. Just goes to show how corrupt NOBEL prizes are.

Funniest things is that Alfred Nobel was Anti-semitic.

Tesla never received a noble prize //

It's because they have a culture that values education.

​@@ShubhamBhushanCCNo, they are genetically superior,

Adjust the overall score of each member of each race after accounting for factors external to the test environment like home environment, parental care, teacher to student ratio, nutrition, family income levels and pollution levels of the living environment of respective test takers then I might take you seriously about the genetic factors influencing the IQ of particular a "race" of human beings. Until then, it's subjective ideological garbage.

Count Dooku 💯

@@technatezin Pretty sure environment only deducts an average of a couple of iq points. For the most part iq is genetic. I will not talk about race and IQ necessarily but for a bio paper I wrote a paper on this specific problem and sourced several case studies of separated twins. It was almost always dead even or with the millionaire kid getting like 3 points higher which while significant cannot go to address the 15 iq point disparity. With basic puzzles in early education even you are still at like 12 points lower, and tbh I cant give you this because only like a quarter of whites put their kids in early education. Well I guess I am guessing on this point since I am from a low income area, but it cannot be that many.

@@technatezin You are funny for thinking that hereditarians don't take these things to accoount, though obviously they don't if it turns out that there's no disparity in these effects or that they don't really effect IQ in the first place, like how does your parents' wallet effect your cognitive function? Putting race in quote marks makes you look like a midwit. Equality is ideological and a matter of faith til i see evidence beyond your emotions.

well what's the context

Because we are fascist

@@dianerose7631 You are. You don't speak for us.

Because he's still scared and spineless. Even at his advanced age, still a p ssyiey. Just amazing.

Which means he’s arguing from emotion rather than logic. Pretty discrediting.

@@unclerhombus he didnt though

Try telling that to the sycophants. They thing he's the greatest man ever.

I read Manufacturing Consent when I was in my early 20s and most of it, to me, was either “duh, yeah” or “this is quixotic.” People gravitate to him because he intellectualizes why weaklings still hate the pretty girl from high school for how they made them feel inferior.

No it isn't.

​@@poody771Grow up

@@Br.soldier99 He's right.

​@@Br.soldier99Did you tag me by accident?

this is taken out of context u nazi fukkker Jewish 'pilpul': "even if intelligence is genetic, it doesn't matter in policy making or morality" Utilitarian Universalists really have an odd habit of trying to insert themselves into ideologies they don't like. "I'm not a christian, but doesn't the bible say X?" "I'm not a racist, but if racism were correct, whites are still dumb??!!"

In group heratibility=/= between group heratibility.

Bellantoni oh snap... LMAO Of course, theories are fluctuating fields of probability and any good scientist will change with the evidence rather than holding on to some thought they entertained in the past. Being liberal is defined as being able to let go of past beliefs and change. The ability to change is evidence for intelligence. Stephen Hawkings

Well did you read my other Chomsky quotation? That was closer to the time when this video was made.

Bellantoni no but I imagine it proves the point it made. It is just the way informational emergence progresses.

Prove it with sources. Nothing you can find will say cultures are an expression of their "inate nature" lol. Also differing phenotypes does not mean race exists. Differing medical conditions also does not mean race exists

@@vercot7000 They cant prove anything. What is even intelligence? How can an IQ test measure something that isnt even defined.

@@vercot7000 Sure, there are sources, do you have sources? All the constant differences between the races are due to environment? You so realize that sub-species are defined by differing phenotype? What is your definition for race? It probably doesn't exist.

@@fayelis You are an ignorant midwit. 1. Intelligence is defined 2. Apply your reasoning to something like a math test; what is math skill? It's not defined! How can we measure math skills? 3. However we define intelligence is completely irrelevant to the fact that IQ has PREDICTIVE power and has been found to be genetically heritable.

@@fnfallout5664 I never said all the differences between races are due to environmental factors. We know GxE to be true per Burt & Simmons 2015 as an example, so the way you’ve conceptualized “environment vs genetic” is fallacious. Also, no paper will make the claim you make at the end about subspecies with regards to humans. Please cite me one that does

They probs don't know themselves lmao

Probably about The Bell Curve, so maybe 1994?

@@professorspf great prediction. this was on oct 4, 1994, according to the link in the description.

Because they didn't have to. Europeans we're much more populated and killed each other more so it was like an arms race. They also traded with arabs and asians who passed on information and inventions with each other. It's like cutting off someone on a standed island coming back 30 years later and wondering why they haven't built an empire.

@@Disco6ixco Exactly, Europeans evolved to have higher IQ through struggle, superior understanding of the world by adventuring to other lands and learning from other people such as the Arab mathematicians.

Ur an evil man. And a liar

@@dabtican4953 evolved? 🤣 Do you know how evolution works? European hegemony is a recent phenomenon dating just a few hundred years. Europe, specifically Northern Europe, the supposed "smartest" was behind much of the rest of eurasia for thousands of years since the start of settled society. Might I also remind you the many times in history when complex societies were subjugated by "less" complex societies. So conquest =/= intelligence either. You guys have no understanding of the intertwined systems of economy, society or the results of historical events, just simple ideology supported by vague, post hoc explanations meant to flatter the insecure ego of unaccomplished individuals because the former would be too challenging. How I imagine the conceited ancient Sumerian musing about the acomplishments of their society as evidence of their superiority just for their civilization to fall like all others. Or a hundred years in the future if China regains hegemony over the world economy and some basement dwelling slug posts a comment on the internet claiming this as evidence of his superior genes. Pathetic.

@@oiaeyu I was on the team that actually INVTENTED evolution.

Exactly. He's already said all that needs to be said on race and IQ in "The Chomsky Reader" and "For Reasons of State." The question is of no scientific interest since both are "an obscure amalgam of complex properties." The reason the question is pursued has nothing to do with science: there is no reason to believe that any individual "stand[s] at the mean of his race category," and people who assume otherwise are racists. The motive for this kind of "study" is to rationalize racist social policy. Why should we want to do that? In a decent society people's rights and rewards would not depend on their intellect or any other personal attribute. So there is literally no reason to pursue this "debate."

it's as obscure a fact as noticing the differences in countries such as Switzerland and somalia

​@@FrangoTraidor Well, first you have to ask, are genes the only possible explanation for those differences? Before we look at the effects of colonialism, of course, we have to look at what put Europe in a. position to colonize. Explanations of that issue range from institutional advantages in Europe like property rights (so argues Niall Ferguson, though I'm personally more skeptical of this it is an alternative to your explanation) to geographic/environmental advantages for Europe (so argues Jared Diamond, and though his book isn't perfect, there's a lot to be said for his argument) and hundreds of other explanations in between. You have to rule them out before you assume that the differences are down to genes. Whatever put Europe in the position, being in that position enabled 'The West'/'The Global North' to rapidly increase the speed of European development while dramatically reducing the speed of non-western development (for instance, by deliberately de-industrializing India while stealing textile manufacturing technology to help make Britain the 'workshop of the world').

Because they are. And as your rebuttal to his rebuttal, what position do you take on the matter?

@@FrangoTraidor What about a Somali immigrant that emigrates to Switzerland who attains the "markers" of what is considered success in Switzerland?

Yes he pulled it out of his rectum prior to the interview

"Everything is environmental", "Ok, some things are genetic, but mostly environmental", "Ok, genetics clearly influence our nature a great deal". Every time.

@@fnfallout5664 who?

@@edwardjones2202 "Progressives"

@@TheHatter510 You psychopaths regurgitate the same sentiments ss the USSR, you'll fail and cause misanthropic chaos every time

@@fnfallout5664 pilpul intensifies

Because there is nothing any further.

@@John----Smith So why not look into it to conclude that it's a dead end? Rather than shutting it down before you can conclude

Different races of human aren’t different species.

​@@jmaguire2232 They act like they are.

@@jmaguire2232they are

@@ameer4129 Go to school, Bubba.

@@ameer4129are black cats a different species from white cats? White gingers people from white people with brown hair?

a non SCIENTIST?! He's one of the most important scientists in the past 100 years.

@@scottbarr2889 He discovered what? A way to take money from rich children and waste their time.

What, do you know anything about Noam, one of the most intelligent minds. He is scientist, professor ten times over.

@@disct1597 he's base.

@@yorkshire_tea_innit8097 really go back to sniffing socks, making stupid statements must be embarrassing 😳

So Thomas Sowell who's an economist is talking about himself lmaoo.

​@@adambrashear lol

@@silversilver0 What about the IQ tests?

Explain the pyramids, while Europeans were living in caves drawing on walls.

​@@adambrashear Give the Amerindians credit. They have a superior society and culture over Sub-Saharan Africa Oh and the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians, soooo

They are referring a widely discredited book titled The Bell Curve. You might like it but for all the wrong reasons.

The Great Western Trendkill nobody respond to this fucking moron trying to get idiots like me to respond hatefully.

Alsatiagent It hasn’t been discredited by anyone seriously, it’s been vindicated by the vast majority of new research.

@@ashleigh3021 fucking what

@@Alsatiagent discredited??? lol are you fucking kidding me

Anecdotal and full of confirmations bias. Try again.

White people are competitive in every sport they participate in.

​@@plaidchuckmudshark

Subsidize a "lie as a truth"? Wow, the only weakling I see here, is a piece of right wing shit like you. Mortality is a lesser evil than a greater evil like nonsensical lies spewed as truths.

check out thomas sowell.

is this supposed to be any sort of argument?

Beats being a Dillard.

@@drott150 contrary. noam actually gave an argument. raymond just accused him of random stuff which is irrelevant to value any argument.

@@BuGGyBoBerl Actually, you're right, he did give "an argument." And that argument was the very same one all leftists give when confronted with scientifically researched and validated facts that refute or go against their religious beliefs - *_You're racist!_*

What did that moron Sam Harris do this time? Do I even want to know?

Doug Tarnopol read Ezra Klein's vox piece & Sam harris' blog where he publishes their email exchanges (without permission).

What a fucking idiot Harris is. He loves to advertise the symptoms of being an honest, brave intellectual-but he lacks the disease. Meanwhile, the idea that Mismeasure of Man has been “debunked” is odd. For some sanity on race and IQ, here’s SJG from beyond the grave: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bt2ThrZ91J-4eac.html.

Saul Goodman Oh, context, context, it’s such a wonderful thing.... samharris.org/ezra-klein-editor-chief/ “But if you put the onus on me and spin it to your advantage, I will be forced to publish this email exchange, showing people exactly why I think a podcast with you would be a painful waste of time.”

Doug Tarnopol thanks, insightful interview

High IQ people learn complex concepts faster and therefore can learn more information in less time. It's an advantage.

You've just proven with your post that you don't know what intelligence - much less genius - really is.

@@DRtwinkies Maybe so, but that's no justification for distributing rights and social rewards according to IQ.

@@DRtwinkies quite true. in a true meritocracy, hard work and intellect are duly rewarded while unproductive behaviour is culled, resulting in a 1st world civilisation.

​@@FrangoTraidor Hello again. In the words of the pioneer of IQ testing, ""Some recent philosophers seem to have given their moral approval to these deplorable verdicts that affirm that the intelligence of an individual is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be augmented. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we will try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing." - Alfred Binet, Les idées modernes sur les enfants, 1909