@Calum Tatum I’ve always disliked that expression “pick your brain” It disturbs me.
@NoYoutubeName13 жыл бұрын
@Calum Tatum it’s very visceral, gory sounding and minatory
@PseudoSarcasm3 жыл бұрын
@@NoKZfaqName1 I learned a word. Thanks.
@Engineersoldinterstingstuff10 ай бұрын
Why is it illegal for the US army to enlist someone below of 83..?
@TheElderTK8 ай бұрын
liability
@chrisb18052 ай бұрын
The military itself made it illegal really. The effort to have someone do any good work is above that level is difficult. They don't want people hurting themselves or others in addition. They put the rule so a recruiters and others would not just get anyone to make the quota numbers.
@daleandrews35529 күн бұрын
As @TheElderTK said, LIABILITY. They don't want a dumbass to get killed - or cause his own company to get killed - in a time of wartime, for instance.
@Skabanis6 жыл бұрын
Norm sorry but you are wrong. Let’s see you empirical research on this?
@fightfannerd20784 жыл бұрын
a true corporate shill
@ally114884 жыл бұрын
???
@discobacon51605 ай бұрын
Are u high?
@helpIthinkmylegsaregone3 ай бұрын
@discobacon5160 he recommended putting people in ghettos or internment camps if they refused to take the now thoroughly discredited Pfizer product
@BuffaloBlackАй бұрын
You have no idea what you're on about.. Moving on.
@midwesternlassalle15 күн бұрын
You don't know what "corporate shill" even means, frendo. Stay in your fucking lane.
@humanonearth16 жыл бұрын
"Dedicated to obscuring the most elementary truths"
@thesweetprince3 жыл бұрын
I'm going to start using the word Commisar! Had to look that one up after hearing him say it.
@charlesg79263 жыл бұрын
It’s funny that Noam Chomsky tries to say that differences in intelligence between groups doesn’t exist… But his intelligence is clearly way higher than the lady that is asking the question. Irony? Lol
@dihawkin15573 жыл бұрын
@@charlesg7926 What's wrong about her questio?
@talaatelobeidy25663 жыл бұрын
@@charlesg7926 there are explainations for that if you bother to look, its not as easy as genetic makeup, but it has alot to do with social context/construct, up bringing, background ..etc, but possibly its easier for you to think otherwise.
@susieq3603 жыл бұрын
@@charlesg7926 English clearly isn't her first language, imbecile. How many languages do YOU speak? And there's nothing wrong with her question anyway. Numerous universities have conducted tests with the unanimous conclusion that I.Q. levels aren't inherent to race. The very notion of anything else is absurd. Yours is the sort of pathetic transparency that Chomsky references.
@bolshevikboy11156 жыл бұрын
I love that line “This has nothing to do with evil and god, this has to do with the rich perusing policies that destroy lives”
@LlamaLlord216 жыл бұрын
Arch5tanton Welfare is not a safety net, it’s a facade. Black families have been destroyed by private prisons, segregation, open discrimination, and income inequality. Welfare is a side note.
@sublime_death_17896 жыл бұрын
get the line straight. peace. “This has nothing to do with evil and god, this has to do with the rich powerful people, trying to justify the fact that they are pursuing social policies which are forcing children to die. That is what it has to do with.¨
@sublime_death_17896 жыл бұрын
who are you quoting? & who are you correcting?
@winterwackoreborn38646 жыл бұрын
Yo why aren't you in DebateCom that much anymore?
@ireminmon6 жыл бұрын
Correcting Chomsky and his neomarxist lies.
@hahaclintondix28156 жыл бұрын
I do not know if there is a correlation between race and iq, but chomsky had a pretty weak counter argument here. All he did is dismiss it as racist.
@michaelsmith86653 жыл бұрын
Which happens to coincide with reality.
@joeroganpodfantasy422 жыл бұрын
but the correlation is an indication of their culture not their inherent inability. we have seen indigenous Americans get same levels of IQ just in 1 generations as Europeans when they lived together in the same society and there was education schooling and modern institutions. And the differences even out in big enough populations they become meaningless. It just shows that the human brain is just like a sponge waiting to be programmed , and it's very important how you program it since birth upbringing from family society culture and schooling
@Myname8315 Жыл бұрын
Lmfao all he did was tell the truth 😂
@teflon1009 ай бұрын
Know he didn't. He said the New York times articles were bullshit about black families. What don't you understand about that. The media run with a narrative that's not true and ppl like you eat it up cause it helps you sleep at night.
@LT-xb5su9 ай бұрын
There is an accepted correlation between race and IQ. The debate is whether it’s from environment, genetics, or a mixture (and how much of each one comprises the mixtures proportions)
@Mr_Hassell6 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have a link to the article they are talking about??
@shengloongtan2294 жыл бұрын
Fuckedupfascist.com
@house6844 жыл бұрын
I think it's this: www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,981658,00.html&ved=2ahUKEwjT3ImLxYTrAhUL-qQKHWDODW8QFjAAegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw1YHWtA7dTzsEE7jATsw2HK Time Magazine wrote a few more reviews of the Bell Curve, all of them seemingly positive.
@Nuganics6 жыл бұрын
Kenyans are generally superior at long distance running. So why are not other aspects are generally not allowed to be discussed?
@joegallegos91098 ай бұрын
Because IQ is a subjective term. It's like trying to determine which race tastes chocolate the best. The answer only serves a subjective point of view.
@Nuganics8 ай бұрын
@@joegallegos9109 : IQ isn't subjective there are clear tests. Just as there are clear tests for long distance running. IQ only tests a few areas so clearly not everything. Just like testing 10,000 meter running speed doesn't test for all running.
@oneoflokis6 ай бұрын
Don't know. But I doubt that any ONE "race" or nationality, would score supreme on intelligence, because it seems to me, that all human societies need it. (Unless you want your society to turn out like the movie Idiocracy. 😏) I have heard something about high IQ scores among Ashkenazi Jews though. Probably because some studies have been done there. Claims have also been made about Asians' mathematical ability and so on.
@uscbro696 ай бұрын
@@oneoflokisyou’re a wishful thinking fool
@uscbro696 ай бұрын
@@oneoflokisit’s pure fact that there is discrepancy. Not even the left debates that now. They just argue that it’s artificially created
@Rodg75564 жыл бұрын
Not an argument
@astralcowboy55116 жыл бұрын
Why did anybody take this guy seriously again?
@glutachi_66213 жыл бұрын
Is there anything that he mentioned in the vid, that u think was irrational to the point you wonder why people are taking him seriously?
@jeanninecathcart627 Жыл бұрын
Feelings are not science
@kindnessfirst96702 ай бұрын
True, many folks FEEL that race is biological despite science proving it's not.
@pucek365Ай бұрын
Chomsky’s cult always oblivious to what science means.
@mr.seapig28116 ай бұрын
Does Chumpsky ever tell the truth?
@carmichaelree3 ай бұрын
Hes Jewish
@gaelicreaction1049 Жыл бұрын
Chomsky didn't debunk anything here. He used anecdotes and emotion.
@Frenchfrys17 Жыл бұрын
What he did here was to point out that the reasoning of different races having different IQ led to policies which results in the misery and suffering of Black and Hispanics. In that regards he is not wrong.
@FreakingDoubt4 ай бұрын
As he always does. He has been a highly respected and admired mind for decades, and he has never once made a point.
@pucek365Ай бұрын
Yepp. Just a bunch of nonsense coloroised by emotional load. Typical for someone who can’t do real science.
@NewBeginning78Ай бұрын
@@Frenchfrys17 Yes, but it doesn't actually answer the question. That's called being evasive.
@midwesternlassalle15 күн бұрын
Put down the Lynn and learn some basic sociology.
@iamcassilis40858 ай бұрын
He doesn't even say anything. No arguments. Just hyperbole and straw man statements and calling people "nazis"
@edwardeller45797 ай бұрын
%100 true, but he explains why. He tells us explicitly that, in his opinion, the argument connecting race and IQ lacks merit and is not worthy of being taken seriously.
@mal_31577 ай бұрын
I think you are as guilty of throwing buzzwords as he is.
@haroldgarling10636 ай бұрын
Average jew
@iamcassilis40856 ай бұрын
see the jew lie 0:39@@haroldgarling1063
@stevena87193 ай бұрын
@@edwardeller4579he ASSERTS it lacks merit, he does nothing to demonstrate that
@madforit22 жыл бұрын
race and iq is a fact
@user-du9zt5rp5x2 жыл бұрын
prove it.
@madforit22 жыл бұрын
@@user-du9zt5rp5x certainly. All the data is in race and iq by Edward dutton. The bell curve by Charles Murray is another handy reference. You're welcome
@user-du9zt5rp5x2 жыл бұрын
@@madforit2 iq tests have to do with the education and wealth. do you really think that someone from africa can't score as much as a white does if they both have the same education level and similar life style?
@madforit22 жыл бұрын
@@user-du9zt5rp5x Heritability of intelligence is 0.8. You could take person A who was born to high iq parents but raised by low iq parents and in a poor environment with average education and do the opposite for person B and person A will still have a higher IQ
@user-du9zt5rp5x2 жыл бұрын
@@madforit2 okay but is this a racial trait? Generations become smarter as their life quality improve. African-americans in the US have higher iq than the Africans that live where the african americans were brought from, why? It's not because they changed their race. It's because their life quality improved. So when you say race and iq have a correlation, it means that some races are inherently smarter than the others but it's not true.
@qttelescope83633 жыл бұрын
He didn't answer her "real" question. She was asking "truth"about "unfairness" of the world. I don't have IQ 120 which represent 15 % of population. So I realise all I can do is make effort to build my own intellectual capacity to live with dignity. That's all I can do.
@JohnSmith-qp4bt3 жыл бұрын
Hey, I totally agree. Thankfully, in America you don’t need to be smart to make money. Every Tom, Dick and Harry out there is making money off of the capitalist, consumer driven economy. By hook or by crook. The only (tiny) requirement is to not be lazy. And yes, we can all get by in life, quietly and with dignity, without ruffling too many feathers. In the end we will disappear into infinite nothingness and no-one will give a damn what we did with our lives and how we lived. And we can’t take any of our money with us, wherever the heck it is that we’re going.
@arthurfleck89343 жыл бұрын
that was eloquently nihilistic, yet hopeful :)
@MrHitomiplum3 жыл бұрын
I think you should read more about IQ and why it is an almost entirely useless measure of any sort of human utility. Otherwise I understand your sentiment and think it is a good one.
@qttelescope83633 жыл бұрын
@@MrHitomiplum Thank you for comment. I know haven't read enough books to say Whether IQ is a good measurement for wellbeing of living life. Especially in terms of "value" of life. However, Richard Haire said correlations of success of life(meaning business), marriage life and even longevity with IQ score is very strong. Ricard is respectful scientist and I would never think he talks gibberish. Point is life is "actually" unfair and many people suffer from it. If he finds way of improving IQ it would be revolutionary. Until then we need to acknowledge its unfairness and keep Hopes...
@MrHitomiplum3 жыл бұрын
@@qttelescope8363 I'll look into Richard Haire and perhaps read some of his work (I have a lot on my plate at the moment!), but it is interesting that he believes success in life intrinsically means success in business. There are reasons why IQ would correlate with business success and they do not necessarily have to do with intelligence, but instead other factors that would lead one to *believe* that business success is how they should measure their self-worth. If you understand this, you may see why IQ correlation with an outcome does not mean IQ causation with that outcome. Otherwise I do agree that life is unfair, and I personally believe that suffering is never deserved. Attempts at improving the lives of those who are suffering should rightfully be celebrated, but be aware of what the people making these attempts classify as improvement. It will help you understand them, and also understand yourself. All the best to you.
@adamleckius22532 жыл бұрын
Bad jeans is definitely not a hard problem to solve. There are cheap ones out there that still look decent. If some people really can't afford them, then of course we need to provide them some financial support, but that would be a really minor public investment that I think even Republicans could agree to.
@JG-he6kh2 жыл бұрын
W
@k_dccxiii Жыл бұрын
Bad jeans is a problem since its colour can easily fade or be rent.
@jeanninecathcart627 Жыл бұрын
Genes?
@Kitten_Stomper Жыл бұрын
@@jmgeiger527 he’s trolling 😂😂
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
It’s impossible to solve
@GeorgWilde3 ай бұрын
Living in poverty doesn't mean that you are destroyed. Humanity lived in much worse poverty for most of its existence.
@weaq846 жыл бұрын
Could anyone tell me which article he's referring to?
@huizhechen37795 ай бұрын
I think it's an article about Richard Herrnstein & Charles Murray's book "The Bell Curve", in which they claim that race determines IQ. It's a racist argument from beginning to end. But you should read it for yourself & see if you can conjure a convincing opinion of the book & its arguments.
@helpIthinkmylegsaregone3 ай бұрын
@huizhechen3779 nobody claims "race determines IQ". Differences in IQ distribution for different ancestral groups have been found countless times, in studies that have been replicated a lot more than anything regarding climate change or economics.
@coolorphans2 ай бұрын
@@huizhechen3779 "racist" argument? That's the ultimate conclusion you came to? Yes, genetics has a part in determining your maximum intelligence. Yes, different racial groups came about in history and have different maximum intelligences. This isn't rocket science.
@saddemgargouri6 жыл бұрын
People needs to remember that the same arguments made against blacks , Latinos and Arabs , used to be made against Asians , then slowly retracted as several Asian nations economy developed . Starting with Japan ofc , then south Korea ... and they always get revised once the economy is developed enough , but of course as Chomsky mentioned ( and Ha joon chang in his brilliant book Bad Samaritans ) It's a useful tool so you don't consider the social , economical and policy background , as more often than not they are inconvenient to the guy spewing that bullshit
@Killjoyed956 жыл бұрын
That's nice, but have you ever considered that South Koreans _really do_ have the claimed avg IQ?
@oneloveonebeing6 жыл бұрын
SUPREME OVERLORD really? systemic racism (slavery, jim crow, redling, housing discrimination, mass incarceration) had nothing to do it?
@supremeoverlord1896 жыл бұрын
+oneloveonebeing Were talking about Asians they live near/in China i have no idea why you bring up USA specific things not to mention most of those laws were just meant to keep people separated. If people want to discriminate on who they sell houses to it's their choice. It's a known fact that selling to blacks instantly lowers the market value of that house/neighborhood you can scream racism all you want doesn't change the facts.
@Killjoyed956 жыл бұрын
We know for a fact the IQ gap is hereditary. It's settled science.
@MohamedOmar-wc6mb6 жыл бұрын
Saddem Gargouri yes
@Jomo3266 жыл бұрын
But...is there, or is there not a correlation between average IQ and race?
@traiancoza52146 жыл бұрын
correlation implies a set of points with quantitative coordinates, im afraid race is qualitative.
@traiancoza52146 жыл бұрын
but there is a fairly strong correlation between average temperature at origin and IQ, something like r=-0.35 i believe
@Jomo3266 жыл бұрын
Traian Coza Thanks buddy! I just looked it up. :p There are two general types of data. Quantitative data is information about quantities; that is, information that can be measured and written down with numbers. Some examples of quantitative data are your height, your shoe size, and the length of your fingernails. Speaking of which, it might be time to call Guinness. You've got to be close to breaking the record. Qualitative data is information about qualities; information that can't actually be measured. Some examples of qualitative data are the softness of your skin, the grace with which you run, and the color of your eyes. However, try telling Photoshop you can't measure color with numbers.
@danzigvssartre6 жыл бұрын
Is there a correlation between IQ and people who like green pyjamas? Probably. Small correlations occur between psychological variables all the time, they rarely say anything interesting. The more important question is this: is there a correlation between IQ and Intelligence, eg. as measured by education and employment success? The answer??? Hold on to your horses everyone!!! Anything from as low as r=.2 to only as high as r=.4. In other words, IQ is only a moderate measure of the thing it seeks to measure - intelligence. This is not surprising as intelligence is a broad and complex human capacity determined by many biological and social factors. As for race? Well, race is also a complex idea. Any smart biologist will tell you that it is hard to give a clear definition of race. Genetic variation, for example, does NOT generally correlate too well with phenotypes (physical features such as skin and hair colour). When comes to psychology, simple questions can lead to complex answers or sometimes the realisation that the questions were just plain wrong in the first place.
@danzigvssartre6 жыл бұрын
A correlation of r=.35 is a weak to moderate correlation (about 13 percent of the variance). I'm not sure of "average temperature at origin" means but I assume your saying that people who come from countries where the weather is warmer have a lower IQ? If this is the case then there are many, many questions about how scientists divided people into warmer and colder areas of the world and at what date in history they stipulated the "origin" of the race.
@Johan-st4rv6 жыл бұрын
He rejects it based on emotion not logic
@AC-mp7cx26 күн бұрын
zero logic
@daleandrews35529 күн бұрын
"Logic? I understand where you're coming from, but what we're really talking to is imperical, demonstrable, repeatable, observations...like performance on the same intelligence (I.Q.) tests given to different races at the same time and place. Not saying infallible, they just eliminated as many variables as possible when the test was given.
@eyeingi3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Noam for being a light in the darkness.
@harveystill45493 жыл бұрын
@Frog King ,please explain ?
@RashidMBey3 жыл бұрын
Dude. Have you read the critiques on the Bell Curve? Or are you just screeching because muh race realism?
@tommycapellua12583 жыл бұрын
@Frog King Yes, yes it is
@miguelthealpaca89713 жыл бұрын
@@asdf1991asdf nah, this has all been debunked.
@miguelthealpaca89713 жыл бұрын
@@asdf1991asdf I can just reply with "yes it has" but that's not going to get anywhere. Would it help if I go away and find the resources I read where they explained how IQ levels are affected by socio-economic factors, education etc. I don't have the time to get these things for you, you can look them up yourself.
@MrDarthvader21016 жыл бұрын
Chomsky: "Saying black mothers don't nurture their children is racist." Commenters: "Chomsky can't make a real argument." You people are sad.
@MrDarthvader21014 жыл бұрын
@Eric Bowman Anyone can experience racism. White people are just unable to experience systemic racism since it spans centuries back.
@forbesfoofighters4 жыл бұрын
Eric Bowman the irony of you telling somebody to stop believing nonsense which you revise the dictionary to suit your parasitic interests.
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
It's still not a real argument. This is like the "I'm going into labor" bit in The Office.
@user-xo3wo9zq2v Жыл бұрын
Black people always feel flattered when they hear they are good at sports, but when it comes to intelligence they just go crazy
@Gothicc_senpai Жыл бұрын
not all blacks are good at sports. and vice versa
@user-xo3wo9zq2v Жыл бұрын
@@Gothicc_senpai ofcourse there are exceptions. We are talking about average here
@BlessedOne686 Жыл бұрын
@@user-xo3wo9zq2vThis comment is stupid and racist on so many levels. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@shakey3306 Жыл бұрын
@@BlessedOne686 give him a reason to be ashamed because now he only thinks you’re an idiot.
@shakey3306 Жыл бұрын
The truth is not that they are good at sports, but with a low intelligence that’s what is left for them to do, a tall white man with great genes and physical abilities is more likely to be a doctor than a player.
@jimmyjimmy72409 ай бұрын
He didn't actually make a single argument against race and IQ. Just a lot of bloviating, I should have known better with him.
@NanakiRowan9 ай бұрын
Except his argument against race and IQ lasted 3 minutes and 22 seconds.
@jimmyjimmy72409 ай бұрын
@@NanakiRowan if that's what you consider an argument.
@NanakiRowan9 ай бұрын
@@jimmyjimmy7240 It has nothing to do with my opinion. It is what he was literally doing for 3 minutes and 22 seconds lol
@jimmyjimmy72409 ай бұрын
@@NanakiRowan it's certainly your opinion. Using jargon doesn't mean you're actually making any arguments. He didn't respond to any claims with any counter arguments. He just said, in short, "it's wrong." I take it you don't know what a dialectic is or analytics; I take it you also don't read much. This is how people like him get people like you to believe absolutely anything by saying absolutely anything, or nothing at all.
@NanakiRowan9 ай бұрын
@@jimmyjimmy7240 Again, Chomsky's 3 minute and 22 second argument against race and IQ is not my opinion. It is an objective fact. You're basically saying that the video you're currently commenting on, doesn't exist lol
@Mastervitro6 жыл бұрын
You measure my size with 3 numbers, personality with 4, but only 1 for intelligence?
@leehaelters61823 жыл бұрын
Nice point.
@anthonyreed4803 жыл бұрын
Terrible point lol. IQ isn't perfect but it's pretty damn good in terms of being an indicative measure.
@gerardo490783 жыл бұрын
@Sunbro It's no perfect, I agree, but it's something. It can give us what we need in order to develop proper tests and not just 1 that only measures 1 thing: cognitive intelligence (the most popular and known form of intelligence)
@anthonyreed4803 жыл бұрын
@Sunbro Jesus. Imagine bothering to post something as inane as that lol. Good luck to you sir.
@jameskelly74033 жыл бұрын
Brain dead argument
@Absjfirnsjd4 жыл бұрын
What I don't understand is, why wouldn't there be different intellects among races? We have different brain sizes, different physicalities, and different evolutionary histories. We each have different susceptibility to types of diseases, different cultures, different religions, different family structures...why wouldn't this manifest in genetic differences? For example, Australian aborigines lived a relatively nomadic life free from large predators, and as a result, had very little technological development by the time the colonialists came. Does Chomsky think that if you raised an aboriginal Australian in Japan with a Japanese family from birth, or in an Ashkenazi Jewish family from birth, that the child would align itself with the higher income brackets and IQ scores exhibited by these groups? What if you did this for 5 generations? The reason the discussion is important is because we have social policies around racial differences in employment, education, income, that we try to explain away through evidencing historical injustices laid upon those groups. These policies, like educational grants, affirmative action and so on, are aimed at closing the gap between races. But in order to do so, shouldn't we try to grasp the fullness of the problem to the best of our ability? What if a large portion of the gap is genetic? That's not to say that there aren't cultural issues at play lowering the IQ scores of certain groups; like a breakdown of the African American family, high homicide rates, poor diet, low emphasis on education and so on. These are all factors which society should aim to improve. But why then is central America and Africa so underdeveloped and dangerous when compared to Japan, or Western countries & continents like the US and Europe?
@thomasneal92914 жыл бұрын
"why wouldn't there be different intellects among races?" define "race". or fuck, let's just jump to the proper conclusion, shall we? THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACE. www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/10/genetics-history-race-neanderthal-rutherford/
@Absjfirnsjd4 жыл бұрын
@@thomasneal9291 Race is defined as a group related by common descent or heredity. Often, these groups also share similar phenotypic traits. For example, not only are Aboriginal Australians and European Australians easily distinguished from one another physically, but they also have different susceptibilities to addiction, different lifespans, eye colour, average heights, weights, income etc. If there is no such thing as race, why do African Americans dominate basketball? Surely all races would be equally adept at the game if they're all interchangeable?
@FrangoTraidor3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasneal9291 if there is no such thing as race, how do they decide who gets affirmative action?
@victorvelie39803 жыл бұрын
intelligence is a complex trait influenced by hundreds or thousands of genes and regulatory loci. While it is easy for populations to quickly acquire differences that only involve a small number of genetic markers, such as pigmentation or hair texture, it would take a much greater evolutionary pressure to exert an influence on traits as complex and environmentally malleable as intelligence. The genetic variation within human populations is much greater than variation between populations. This does not mean that most variation in intelligence is within rather than between populations. However, it does make such a reality seem very possible. It also indicates that selection pressures have not resulted in a remarkable winnowing of the gene pool that we inherited from our shared ancestral base. Evolutionary psychology is a fascinating, yet absurdly speculative field. There are thousands of potential ways that different environmental factors might impact populations on a psychological level. Anthropological studies have revealed astonishingly divergent cultural norms arising from small, genetically indistinguishable tribal groups in the same environment. As for my own speculation, I would argue that cultural selection for psychological traits is a greater determinant of reproductive fitness than any direct environmental factor. The highly tribal and therefore highly diverse nature of most of human cultural history largely precludes the development of large homogenous cultural trends across regions selecting for lower or higher intelligence. I would also argue that intelligence is universally valuable in helping one's potential for social selection. Whether it is hunting, fighting, story-telling, making music, toolmaking, leading, or manipulating people's opinions, intelligent people have an advantage over their peers in any skill that might making them socially desirable and therefore more reproductively fit in their community.
@Absjfirnsjd3 жыл бұрын
@@victorvelie3980 So do you think that intelligence is the same across groups? Sorry, bit too wordy to decipher.
@pricesmith84506 жыл бұрын
So the shift in understanding is that though genes have an undeniable place in most things, traits are still largely perpetuated by environment? Suppression and oppression, stress and anxiety lends itself to lower cognitive function. Healthier environments that promote healthy development tends to lend itself to improved cognitive skills. How was this ever debated?
@Yodumeee3 жыл бұрын
You mean like having a father in the home? Yeah that would help development
@123456789bassy13 жыл бұрын
@@Yodumeee Why do you think those fathers are absent?
@jesusRamirez-xv7xp3 жыл бұрын
@@Yodumeeelol dude just throw in a strawman right
@annsheridan123 жыл бұрын
Success in cognitively complex western culture is determined mainly by 2 factors, IQ and conscientiousness.
@jesusRamirez-xv7xp3 жыл бұрын
@@annsheridan12 which isn’t that deep after all. And this term is according to some not a universal truth or objective reality at the end it’s subjective. And also what do you refer with western ? That concept is so recycled and te used to refer to many things many ideas
@darthkek19536 жыл бұрын
The topic says this topic was on "race and IQ" but the reality is this was "the New York Times brings up fallacies about why IQ differs between races"; and in complete fairness to Chomsky *the question was about the NYT article not about the subject of race and IQ* so he answered the question. The problem here is the "subediting" (the creation of titles and subheadings that bear too little relevance to the given topic).
@mamatoldem53313 жыл бұрын
Her question was directly about and article saying races have lower IQs what are you referring too...
@darthkek19533 жыл бұрын
@@mamatoldem5331 If you have a direction question I'll answer.
@sad_hedgehog2 жыл бұрын
< 3
@darthkek19532 жыл бұрын
@Billy B I cannot be school without citations. Cite me.
@darbyohara Жыл бұрын
Yes very dishonest title
@Chad-on8jgАй бұрын
What is likelihood that over a period of tens of thousands of years, different human groups have evolved to have measurable average differences in bone structure, musculature, fat distribution, proneness to certain diseases, responsiveness to certain medicines, oral bacteria, dental patterns, limb to torso ration, genital size, skin colour, hair type, height, sweat gland type, ability to digest certain foods, allergy rates and a million other things, yet cognition has somehow remained untouched by the hand of evolution and the brains of all groups are exactly the same to the 10th decimal place? Does that seem likely to you, Noam?
@NanakiRowanАй бұрын
All of the traits you mentioned, vary more within so-called races than between them. There is no environmental pressure that would select for higher intelligence in some human groups over others. All human groups mastered their environments, and thrived in them.
@Chad-on8jgАй бұрын
@@NanakiRowan "All of the traits you mentioned, vary more within so-called races than between them." This is irrelevant. Height varies more amongst men than it does between men and women, yet we can still observe a significant average height difference between men and woman. Are you going to tell me there are no genetic reasons for why West Africans dominate sprinting, East Africans the marathon, North Europeans power lifitng etc? "There is no environmental pressure that would select for higher intelligence in some human groups over others." So there were environmental pressures that lead to average group differences in just about any physiological trait you could care to measure (literally millions of measurable differences) but the brain (80% of the genome) somehow remained unaffected? Temperament, preference, memory, abstraction, altruism, creativity, pitch, rhythm etc. all exactly the same to 10 decimal places? Total blank slates from the neck up?
@NanakiRowanАй бұрын
@@Chad-on8jg It's entirely relevant because you are trying to argue for some difference between so-called races using traits that are found at greater variance within so-called races. What you're trying to do is a logical fallacy. There also are not "millions of measurable differences" within the human species. As I said, there is no environmental pressure that would select for higher intelligence in some human groups over others. Thank you for affirming my statement.
@Chad-on8jgАй бұрын
@@NanakiRowan The finalists of the 100m are almost invariably eight men of West African descent. The fact that there is greater variance within groups does not nullify the observable and measurable differences between groups. And yes, there are millions of measurable differences between groups. Pretty much any trait you care to measure will reflect average differences across groups. Jaw width, age at onset of puberty, estrogen levels, breast composition, enamel strength, speed of hair growth, diabetes rates, lower back hair, liver function... literally everything. Of course, most of it is inconsequential, so we either don't bother measuring it or place no importance on it when we do measure it. As for no environmental pressure that would give rise to differences in cognition, might not availability of food, length of winter period, climate, presence of predators, presence of prey etc. not lead to differences in cognition like it did with every other species? Indeed, we can observe divergent evolution of personality in just a few generations in rates, dogs and other animals? Only perverse political idealism could lead one to think humans are exempted from the same forces we can observe everywhere else in nature.
@NanakiRowanАй бұрын
@@Chad-on8jg I'm sorry, but sports performance has nothing to do with race, and you are still wrong anyway, as the finalists of the 100m, are all African Americans and Afro-Caribbeans, all of whom are also of European descent. I can't believe that you're trying to claim that Europeans have some sort of "hockey gene" to explain their overperformance in hockey. You're off your rocker, mate. Yes, the fact that there is more genetic variation within groups than between them, is relevant, as it shows that people within groups are more different from each other than they are to people in different groups. I'm sorry, but there are not "millions of measurable differences" between groups. Naming a few is not "a million", and all of the traits you mentioned are still found in greater variation within groups. I'd love for you to explain how a long winter period would select for greater intelligence than a long drought period. Or how living in an area with less predators would select for greater intelligence than living in an area with a high amount of predators. I'd also love for you to explain to me how canine intelligence is the as human intelligence, as you are attempting to compare the two. I think you're very confused about all of this.
@kb38095 ай бұрын
Evolving in cold climates wire the brain for survival
@NanakiRowan5 ай бұрын
Totally! Which is why we see the most advanced civilizations coming from the Inuits, Siberians, and indigenous North Americans.
@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs4 ай бұрын
I unironically believe this. Worth noting, being wired for survival is not the same as "smarts"- I've worked with plenty of smart programmers from temperate regions. But growing up in the cold gives you a sense of when to leave bad situations very quickly.
@poody7714 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@Falcon_Serbia4 ай бұрын
@@NanakiRowan seriously what advanced civilization came from the Inuits or North American natives? Cmon I’m waiting…
@NanakiRowan4 ай бұрын
@@Falcon_Serbia That is my point, genius, and that's why this moron's statement is false.
@drmanhattan91016 жыл бұрын
so his one bit of actual evidence to support his claim was an anecdotal "my family was big, yet they say all Jewish families are small"? Sad. Sad retort. All emotion. I guess he can say the word Nazi and everything else just sort of lands in place. I remember when I once took this guy somewhat seriously. This guy is the worst type of academic- the one who hides in the university and fears the gears of progress.
@briansinger52582 жыл бұрын
He tends to be a good example of his own theory on left wing gatekeeping, where the liberal bias is meant to set the boundaries of the discourse. IQ can be effected by race without the specific claims of a specific essay being true - Chomsky's my favourite commie tbh. He's often accurate about media and corporate control, and he's often in lockstep with the usual rhetoric that's limiting to discourse. Simultaneously belonging to philosophy and belonging to a tribe. Perhaps it is genetic…In any case, I miss his brilliance.
@ManiacMayhem7256 Жыл бұрын
Gears of progress? Like Charlottesville and Buffalo
@ManiacMayhem7256 Жыл бұрын
@@briansinger5258 Race and IQ was pretty thoroughly debunked by Whatifalthist and Sarah Z
@SirCamera Жыл бұрын
“Gears of progress,” eh? Care to elaborate?
@TheoneGodfather Жыл бұрын
Eat it Chom.
@flyingfishnet6 жыл бұрын
we haven't heard a refutation of the IQ differential between racial groups. is that because its irrefutable?
@clintongallagher Жыл бұрын
Nobody - absolutely nobody - can disprove the irrefutable fact that throughout all of history somebody has always had more goats than others and always will. Period.
@johnnytocino93133 жыл бұрын
Amen Noam Chomsky! Love that phrase, "transparent ideological weapons".
@hortlockthelivingdead46763 жыл бұрын
you should look Althuser
@Alsatiagent3 жыл бұрын
Without instruction in the field of critical thinking dishonest assertions and arguments can come across as plausible and convincing.
@hortlockthelivingdead46763 жыл бұрын
@@Alsatiagent sorry I am a moron can you simplify?
@Alsatiagent3 жыл бұрын
@@hortlockthelivingdead4676 It's just that people can easily be fooled. Most just don't have the time to do research. Some basic mass media and modes of reasoning training can go a long way to tune ones bs detector. I think they should be taught in high school. The subject matter is not as intimidating as it sounds. I dropped out of school at the age of fifteen and returned for night courses as an adult many years later. Thirty years later and I still think it was one of the best decisions I ever made. Have a decent day.
@hortlockthelivingdead46763 жыл бұрын
@@Alsatiagent I appreciate your courage
@NewBeginning78Ай бұрын
Slimey and evasive answer. He rejects the question based on emotions, not on logic. Typical Chomsky moment
@DaboooogA6 жыл бұрын
He doesn't actually address the connection between race and IQ, but makes a fair point about media bias
@robertfarrell64793 жыл бұрын
Of course he doesn't, he wouldn't touch the subject with a 12 foot poll.
@michaelsmith86653 жыл бұрын
@@robertfarrell6479 Not true. He has written about the subject - and long ago. See "The Chomsky Reader," p. 199-202.
@BingBong422 Жыл бұрын
there is no connection between race and IQ
@michaelsmith8665 Жыл бұрын
@Richard Hoffman You're not a good reader.
@ty2795 Жыл бұрын
@richardhoffman3610natsoy midwit
@garygerard42904 жыл бұрын
I would not make it in the NFL. If they were to lower the standards to Let me in both the NFL and you, as a fan would suffer. When we lower the standards in society/business society/business suffer. Everyone knows this, everyone.
@lamartrade74153 жыл бұрын
okay, explain yourself. Give a real example.
@doublesushi5990 Жыл бұрын
@@lamartrade7415 he’s basically saying that raising minimum wage hurts most.
@tracywilliams79293 ай бұрын
You have to score above a high cut off on an intelligence test to join the NFL. The test is the Wonderlic test.
@MESSI-fx1ob3 жыл бұрын
Same environment same results different environment different results
@migarsormrapophis27553 жыл бұрын
Same genes same results, different genes different results Twin studies find that IQ is 80% heritable in individuals who share the same genes: Bouchard Jr, Thomas J., and Matt McGue. _"Genetic and environmental influences on human psychological differences."_ Journal of neurobiology 54, no. 1 (2003): 4-45. onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/neu.10160
@MESSI-fx1ob3 жыл бұрын
@@migarsormrapophis2755 on an individual bases and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has, but it is absolutely not based off of man made racial classifications from the 19th century
@migarsormrapophis27553 жыл бұрын
@@MESSI-fx1ob "on an individual bases and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has, but it is absolutely not based off of man made racial classifications from the 19th century" first off: *basis, not bases second: "and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has" - no, hardly debatable at all, the impact genes have is about 80% according to the science (see my link to the paper) third: "but it is absolutely not based off of man made racial classifications from the 19th century" - not exactly sure what you mean by 'but it is not based off racial classifications,' what is 'it' in this context? You mean the heritability of IQ? I have some bad news for you about the stability of IQ means across time and between races if so, but I'm not sure that's what you're referring to. Are you referring to the broad heritability of phenotyipc traits? Again, bad news, the majority of gross human physical traits (height, skin color, eye color, hair color, congenital diseases, intelligence, number of fingers, number of teeth, sex, lifespan, etc) are all highly heritable, both individually and within populations. There's a reason why an anthropologist can determine with 99% accuracy where the majority of your ancestors lived during the past 10,000 years, and indeed, why a geneticist can determine with 100% accuracy where the majority of your ancestors lived during the past 10,000 years. I'm not disagreeing with your original comment, by the way, different environments will result in different outcomes, I was merely pointing out that different genes will _also_ result in different outcomes.
@migarsormrapophis27553 жыл бұрын
@@MESSI-fx1ob even after you edited your comment for the third, you forgot to correct "bases" to "basis" You know you can just reply in a new comment, right? Moreover, I'd like to point out, though it has no implications for the larger discussion, that racial classifications were not made in the 19th century, but many thousands of years ago. The Ancient Egyptians wrote about such things and I believe there may be earlier allusions to human race in Sumerian texts. It hardly matters _when_ races were classified, of course: radioactivity was first discovered and named in 1896, but I think we can both agree the _phenomenon_ existed _before_ it was observed by man. Sir Richard Owen created the first classifications for dinosaur genera in 1842, but you wouldn't say that dinosaurs started existing in 1842, would you? Not that any of that matters, the fact that genes play a role in determining human phenotypes, and that there are such things as population-level phenotypes, and those phenotypes are largely determined by heritable genetic factors, is not in dispute by biologists.
@migarsormrapophis27553 жыл бұрын
@@MESSI-fx1ob I'm the one who cited a scientific study that supports my points. So far, you've offered nothing but badly spelled assertions. My position is quite in line with academia - at least, biologist academia. I would say that your position is misaligned with our understanding of genetic heritability within populations, but I'm not entirely sure what "on an individual bases and that is also debatable how much of an impact it has" means, so I can't comment. I might turn your baseless accusation of biased personal motivations around on you and suggest that you've already made your conclusions based on your politics, and so you reject any evidence which contradicts your position, a perfectly anti-science way of thinking, but I shall not cast such aspersions upon you. I have no way of knowing your internal motivations from reading only two youtube comments, just as you have no way of knowing mine. I encourage you once more to read Bouchard et al., the link remains above. Whatever your politics may be, IQ remains 80% heritable.
@saelaird3 жыл бұрын
I do rather love Noam Chomsky. But the underlying question is this... suppose there is an uncomfortable truth relating to Race / genetics and IQ, how do we deal with it? Do we ignore it?
@milocavaliere88282 жыл бұрын
1. There isn't. 2. If there were, why would that justify a different treatment?
@@milocavaliere8828 1. There is 2. Because people strive for an ideal society.
@attic2basement2 жыл бұрын
That’s not true, we should treat children with the same respect we do adults, and there are racial differences. They’ve even studied cross race adoption and the correlation is the same. It’s not all racism, not even close
@yolobro20712 жыл бұрын
@@attic2basement It’s uncomfortable knowing this because people deny it straight up and think you are a horrible person for looking objectively at 100 years of documented research. I still think biology is more complex than the IQ test. It tests one facet of the human mind, pattern recognition. Some ethnicities likely selected more for quick thinking, planning, reflexes, socializing etc. so I think it’s right to say we’re different, but not objectively better or worse. Although IQ is correlated with higher likelihood of success in our present society…
@qwertyqart6 жыл бұрын
what book or research is he talking about?
@gorillaguerillaDK6 жыл бұрын
Green Brain Seaside In this case it's an article in the New York Times
@Mr_Hassell6 жыл бұрын
GorillaGuerilla But I think the article was talking about The Bell Curve
@FreddieVee Жыл бұрын
Authoritarian Policy: Divide and Conquer.
@carmichaelree3 ай бұрын
lol
@rotate854 жыл бұрын
Heritability of IQ is not in dispute. Just don’t talk about it.
@FrangoTraidor3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesreilly3679 it's closely related though. there is a reason why some races are more prone to spending hours quietly beavering through books and equations while others are more likely to spend their waking moments playing the knockout game
@theodorechill29 күн бұрын
Race and IQ are relative.
@ClassicJukeboxBand6 жыл бұрын
He said nothing about race and IQ. Clickbait.
@Ozee3165 жыл бұрын
Agree that social policy causes social destruction. That isn't mutually exclusive with differences in IQ. Both can have an effect on one's life
@Runconna2 жыл бұрын
And the two are interconnected.
@okene9 ай бұрын
And social destruction causes low IQ. Although genetics plays a role too
@jeffsmith94205 ай бұрын
Yes. Hedge that in there......
@account26153 жыл бұрын
Race is definitely real and genetics influences life outcomes. You are not a moral person for believing in falsehoods. Genetic models explain some of the variance and it's understanding does not necessarily lead to political Nazism. It was for decades, the domain of what should and would have been responsible and respectible paleoconservatism (but it was largely sidelined by ethnic activists of Chomsky's clan who formed the core of neoconservatism). Chomsky belongs to an ethnic group that was disliked by the Nazis for racial reasons and that's his motivation for denouncing the findings of racial science. He says look for motivation, well he has his.
@victorli77372 жыл бұрын
Dumb parents can have smart kids. It's unfair to lump everything into race and IQ when there's a lot of factors that play into it
@AlexCruz-us2sx6 жыл бұрын
Big Chomsky fan here, this was rather weak and didn't really engage with what Race and IQ hold :/
@boliussa6 жыл бұрын
+Alex chomsky is much more popular when nobody knows what he is blabbering about.
@danzigvssartre6 жыл бұрын
I think Chomsky is right. The internet is rife with BS on race and IQ. Stupidly, I make comments on these videos stating how IQ is poor measure of intelligence and outline many of unscientific arguments made about race and biology. Truth is, though, most of the people uploading and watching these videos are not interested in the scientific evidence, they are interested in views that fit their own racists views or fears about others who look or act differently to themselves.
@boliussa6 жыл бұрын
+danzigvssartre it doesn't make a lot of sense to just say somebody is right, you should state precisely what point you are referring to.
@danzigvssartre6 жыл бұрын
boliussa Did you not watch the video? It only goes for 3 minutes. He makes a simple point. He says that there is no point in engaging in debate with those who espouse the pseudoscience of race and IQ as they are pushing an agenda to justify the social injustices in society that they are profiting from. “He” refers to Noam Chomsky in case I’m being too vague for you.😂
@boliussa6 жыл бұрын
+danzig well obviously there is no point engaging in pseudo-science and there is no point in arguing for enforcing social injustices. But if somebody is making a point about race and IQ(in a way that is not pseudo-science), and to say that this is an explanation for e.g. lack of success, and thus it's not whites or jews keeping them down, and they(the failing or violent group), have no basis for making accusations of racism to explain their failures, then that's an important point to make.
@cmhardin373 жыл бұрын
So what are the specific social policies keeping the minority groups impoverished?
@TheTyme993 жыл бұрын
Things like the drug war, war on poverty, job laws against post-incarcerated ensuring repeat offenses - a lot of these things are just euphemisms for anti-minority policies.
It is a shame that Dr. Chomsky chose to attack the article writers' and publisher's motives rather than rebut the article's assertions. The claim that black women do not nurture their children sounds very suspect, but it should be addressed by evidence, not accusations of racism.
@zacnieprawisz91715 жыл бұрын
He debunked it first, have you even watched the clip? He said it's because of poverty in black and latino communities.
@bitcoinartist27014 жыл бұрын
There is no need to refute such a factual and evidential statement.
@missc27423 жыл бұрын
Tf is with the Chomsky cult? He talks like an intelligent, educated guy but said absolutely nothing original/exceptional in this video that would warrant attention (imho). Do people just get excited when an educated person agrees with them using nice words?
@jameseldridge34452 жыл бұрын
Rhetoric is far more powerful than logic to the masses because the average human values emotions over rationality.
@gaulishrealist2 жыл бұрын
@@jameseldridge3445 He doesn't even have rhetoric. He's just mumbling buzzwords.
@NoahBodze2 жыл бұрын
He attacks America and, to the many disaffected band kids who hated how the football team got all the attention, he intellectualizes the impotence they felt then extrapolates it to a wider society as they age. He validates them. It’s not even spiritual, it’s just people with Cluster B personality disorders coalescing around a narrative.
@erictomdavidfries67562 жыл бұрын
Chomsky used to be a hero of mine, then I heard him say people who refuse the forced vaccination agenda should be kicked out of society and starve.
@ricksanchez40452 жыл бұрын
He was never ur hero to begin with, stop pretending to be leftist.
@erictomdavidfries67562 жыл бұрын
@@ricksanchez4045 "Manufacturing Consent" was interesting to me....I suppose "hero" is a stretch. I liked what he was exposing to the public eye. I don't pretend anything.
@erictomdavidfries67562 жыл бұрын
@@ricksanchez4045 How difficult is it to write your vs. ur?
@bigdaddy36212 ай бұрын
Poverty is due to racism not skin color
@gustavo0422 ай бұрын
No, its iq
@NanakiRowan2 ай бұрын
@@gustavo042 No it isn't.
@cmattbacon78386 жыл бұрын
Why are we arguing over who is smarter when we don't take care of our communities? Stupid conversation
@TheCommono5 жыл бұрын
@@64ig6kg0 "always" - when you say so... But obviously: if difference itself matters (instead of the concrete outcome, where we would reasonably differentiate between 'people are left with nothing and starve' and 'the guy can afford a Porsche'), then we deal with an environment in which competition prevails.
@Xalgucennia4 жыл бұрын
@@TheCommono Sorry for necroing, but the point of IQ isn't just who can afford a posrch and buy a mansion, what always comes to mind when discussing IQ tends to be differences in the high end, who wins a Nobel prize, who becomes doctors, physics professors, and runs the multinational companies. And that's important to discuss in terms of whether the racial disparities at the top end are the result of actual discrimination, or actual differences in ability. But IQ is also very predictive at the low end, whether people are can hold down a job, whether they end up doing drugs committing crimes, develop mental illnesses, fall pregnant at an early age, all sort of lifestyle predictors. So you can't just brush this off as some sort of elite status symbol for who gets into private schools. A lot of the life outcomes which the left complains about can be traced down to IQ. And obviously I'm not going to say racial discrimination doesn't exist, but it's a self perpetuating cycle, groups exhibit bad behaviour, bad behaviour leads to people having a bad impression of said group, bad impression lead to feeling marginalised, that feeling leads to more bad behaviour. There is plenty of bad blood on both sides of the equation
@TheCommono4 жыл бұрын
@@Xalgucennia Don't know if it's your reading skills or my bad english. All I was saying is that in a situation where two people want both the same thing, only one can finally have it (that is the abstract meaning of 'competition'). Imagine two guys with the exact same IQ. Now you tell me, how the hell the outcome of that competition relies to IQ. A real world example: car companies can have the most brilliant engineers, but when the market is saturated, people will simply not by more cars, as people can drive only so many cars or cannot afford more than one car etc. But I see, you want to select the guys and pamper them. Do you eventually have a need to be pampered?
@Xalgucennia4 жыл бұрын
@@TheCommono Not exactly sure what you're trying to get at here but, this is my interpretation of what you're saying That's a hypothetical, but how often does this happen in the real world where you get two people with EXACTLY the same qualifications. This isn't the case we're talking about here, or one that we're really worried about in real life. We're talking about obvious disparities between groups which obviously play out in any free market of talent and ideas. As for luxuries, who are you to draw the line at what is and isn't a luxury? Is it the bare minimum of survival? There is very little actual life threatening poverty and absolute starvation in the west. And if you're invoking actual communism where luxuries are distributed evenly, then why would anyone ever work harder than the bare minimum?
@ofimportance54583 жыл бұрын
@@Xalgucennia Why would the group exhibit bad behavior to begin with?
@19Slim68Ай бұрын
Dishonesty is pursuit of sensitivity is not honesty.
@stranger16luis713 жыл бұрын
What's Chomsky drinking in the blue/purple can?
@ELRamunde696 жыл бұрын
I mean he didn’t debunk the scientific correlation between race and IQ. Calling something “racist” isn’t debunking it.
@DRtwinkies6 жыл бұрын
Because it isn't debunked. Eugenics has a sinister history so you can understand the disgust.
@freckleheckler63113 жыл бұрын
@@DRtwinkies eugenics isn’t “sinister” you’re not stable it seems. Probably drives you to tears and emotions..
@johnsmithers9582 жыл бұрын
@@freckleheckler6311 eugenics literally leads to atrocities, wtf are you talking about you nazi loser💀💀💀
@Nothing-sn9nc6 жыл бұрын
It's not enough to say "it's right out of the Nazis!" or to attribute ulterior motives to people, you MUST contend with the facts. There is no substitute for an argument. This is deeply unpersuasive. And in the context of the Harris-Klein thing, assuming what you care about is the actual content of the discussion, this video contributes exactly nothing.
@Nothing-sn9nc6 жыл бұрын
Good thing no one in that conversation is a Nazi
@StabilAmboss6 жыл бұрын
+Rob Jackson - lol what if they're right though? You just gonna ignore that?
@d.m.collins15016 жыл бұрын
This clip is from the 90s. It has nothing to do with the Harris-Klein thing.
@d.m.collins15016 жыл бұрын
And Nazis aren't right. They're alt-right. They alter the facts until they can pretend that they're right.
@StabilAmboss6 жыл бұрын
+D. M. Collins - was that a play on words or you saying that the alt right are nazis? which is wrong btw.
@kentallard88526 жыл бұрын
Blame the Victim. It seems to be a common cognitive 'plan b' when someone needs to explain a disparity that benefits themself and hurts others
@paifu.4 жыл бұрын
TRUUU
@RifleEyez3 жыл бұрын
Somewhat. But there's also a lot of blaming everyone else for problems I think rather than trying to solve them, and also there's a lot of being told ''you won't ever achieve X because of Y (usually being oppressed/poor), so all you will amount to is Z'', so people are doomed from the start, it's a vicious circle. That type of attitude is very common in some communities, and you're kidding yourself if you think it's entirely the fault of the people that 'benefit, and that these communities are doing everything they possibly can to thrive and it's not at all their fault they're being held back. There's too much focus these days on picking and milking negative situations to say ''see - told you that's how it is'' rather than positives. People have also come from circumstances that are just as bad and thrived. Entire countries have faced wars, genocides, mass destruction, and risen rapidly, just in our recent history. Some on the other hand still blame things that happened 100, 200+ years ago for their problems today and remain far behind, others get on with it and thrive. It's a bit of both I think.
@a541093 жыл бұрын
It's not a victim. Some people are better than others.
@rosshewage68933 жыл бұрын
@@a54109 Well, that's a remarkably shallow statement
@charlesg79263 жыл бұрын
It’s not about blaming. Blame is an emotional response. The intellectual capacity between different groups is a scientific and psychological fact, proven through studies, testing and research. Emotions have nothing to do with it
@alexxoaibi38823 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the date, author and the title of the article the Lady and Chomsky are referring to?
@80thiconoclast Жыл бұрын
The lady at the beginning refers to not only an article but a book. Does anyone know what book she is referring to? The Bell Curve?
@wetstoffels31986 жыл бұрын
Not an argument, Noam.
@Hirnlego9996 жыл бұрын
Got shit to do with immigration, it's a numbers game. You know when Erid Idle sang "I like Chinese", same applies here. And it becomes extra stupid by leaving the inner EU market, it will be another self-inflicted wound. And if immigrants/refugees are such a problem then UK should consider not partaking in just about any middle-east military adventure their retarded big brother USA asks them to join.
@Hirnlego9996 жыл бұрын
I don't know where you find this existential danger as it is the same as in USA, meaning that the major threat to Americans are other americans. I don't believe that the working class is burdened by immigrants, I believe in what statistics tell me and that is that the average immigrants starts working quite a bit faster than a newborn and if I again use USA as an example a lot of work is done by immigrants as well as paying a lot of taxes. UK: Media has also reported on nurses and doctors from other countries have to leave because of Brexit, which will further contribute to shortages of workers. Some of this It's not because of immigrants that austerity is tied to 120.000 deaths according to a study, it's because of the 2008 economic problem in USA and the following austerity measures decided by Tory governments. There's is strength in being a big market and that is something that has hugely benefited USA for years, and now UK will face problems because it will make movement in services, products and humans more difficult and it's hard to see any economic benefit from doing so. I wouldn't be too worried about IQ levels as this seem to happen worldwide: www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-are-iqs-dropping-on-a-worldwide-basis_us_59743580e4b0f1feb89b4423 I believe the answer to that is more and more education, not just in time spent on studies but making it easier for people to start college and especially work to get rid of financial obstacles. Generally I agree with the optimism of Steven Pinker although the main worry is a larger clash between east and west as well how countries are moving away from democracy.
@momenshakerhameed93626 жыл бұрын
Wet Stoffels refusing an argument by saying “Not an argument” either means that you didn’t understand it or it means that you’re intimidated by it. I’ll go with didn’t understand it.
@wetstoffels31986 жыл бұрын
Sure thing buddy.
@T1memaster6 жыл бұрын
Because he doesnt have an argument
@Slarti6 жыл бұрын
I wonder what Chomsky makes of the fact that Ashkenazi Jews represent 29% of US Nobel prize winners. Considering they only make up 2% of the US population that's quite impressive!
@VelhaGuardaTricolor5 жыл бұрын
OBAMA got a NOBEL peace prize based on a promise he never kept. Just goes to show how corrupt NOBEL prizes are.
@seekeroftruth51025 жыл бұрын
Funniest things is that Alfred Nobel was Anti-semitic.
@barthwalabhishek5 жыл бұрын
Tesla never received a noble prize //
@ShubhamBhushanCC5 жыл бұрын
It's because they have a culture that values education.
@Br.soldier996 ай бұрын
@@ShubhamBhushanCCNo, they are genetically superior,
@halfmoon1066 жыл бұрын
It's a statistical fact that some groups of people score lower on IQ tests than others. People can do with that information whatever they want.
@technatezin6 жыл бұрын
Adjust the overall score of each member of each race after accounting for factors external to the test environment like home environment, parental care, teacher to student ratio, nutrition, family income levels and pollution levels of the living environment of respective test takers then I might take you seriously about the genetic factors influencing the IQ of particular a "race" of human beings. Until then, it's subjective ideological garbage.
@abcdefg54321x5 жыл бұрын
Count Dooku 💯
@luaustin6275 жыл бұрын
@@technatezin Pretty sure environment only deducts an average of a couple of iq points. For the most part iq is genetic. I will not talk about race and IQ necessarily but for a bio paper I wrote a paper on this specific problem and sourced several case studies of separated twins. It was almost always dead even or with the millionaire kid getting like 3 points higher which while significant cannot go to address the 15 iq point disparity. With basic puzzles in early education even you are still at like 12 points lower, and tbh I cant give you this because only like a quarter of whites put their kids in early education. Well I guess I am guessing on this point since I am from a low income area, but it cannot be that many.
@fnfallout5664 Жыл бұрын
@@technatezin You are funny for thinking that hereditarians don't take these things to accoount, though obviously they don't if it turns out that there's no disparity in these effects or that they don't really effect IQ in the first place, like how does your parents' wallet effect your cognitive function? Putting race in quote marks makes you look like a midwit. Equality is ideological and a matter of faith til i see evidence beyond your emotions.
@emmanuelowoicho54723 жыл бұрын
Lmaoooo Why does he always compare Americans to Nazi's???? Love it!!
@lacanian15003 жыл бұрын
well what's the context
@dianerose76313 жыл бұрын
Because we are fascist
@whyisblue923taken2 жыл бұрын
@@dianerose7631 You are. You don't speak for us.
@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Жыл бұрын
One of the few times you see Noam about to break out into a fit of anger.
@BillClay88 Жыл бұрын
Because he's still scared and spineless. Even at his advanced age, still a p ssyiey. Just amazing.
@unclerhombus Жыл бұрын
Which means he’s arguing from emotion rather than logic. Pretty discrediting.
@BuGGyBoBerl Жыл бұрын
@@unclerhombus he didnt though
@bloom28872 жыл бұрын
The reality is that the thoughts and insights of Noam Chomsky are not deep at all, in fact, they are not even superficial. Race and IQ are biological realities and do in fact have real world consequences.
@gaulishrealist2 жыл бұрын
Try telling that to the sycophants. They thing he's the greatest man ever.
@NoahBodze2 жыл бұрын
I read Manufacturing Consent when I was in my early 20s and most of it, to me, was either “duh, yeah” or “this is quixotic.” People gravitate to him because he intellectualizes why weaklings still hate the pretty girl from high school for how they made them feel inferior.
@virtualpilgrim86457 ай бұрын
Discrimination is essential to civilization...
@poody7717 ай бұрын
No it isn't.
@Br.soldier996 ай бұрын
@@poody771Grow up
@NanakiRowan6 ай бұрын
@@Br.soldier99 He's right.
@poody7716 ай бұрын
@@Br.soldier99Did you tag me by accident?
@nelsonrushton7 ай бұрын
He didn't say a thing about the facts of race and IQ. clickbait. Also, it is a bit dishonest of Prof. Chomsky to evade that issue when he is asked about it directly.
@Bellantoni6 жыл бұрын
"It is, incidentally, surprising to me that so many commentators should find it disturbing that IQ might be heritable, perhaps largely so. An advertisement in the Harvard Crimson signed by many faculty members, refers to the 'disturbing conclusion that intelligence is largely genetic....' Why this should seem disturbing remains obscure. Would it also be disturbing to discover that relative height, or musical talent, or rank in running the 100 yard dash, is in part genetically determined?" --Noam Chomsky "IQ Tests: Building Blocks for a New Class System" (1971).
@dundidit48006 жыл бұрын
this is taken out of context u nazi fukkker Jewish 'pilpul': "even if intelligence is genetic, it doesn't matter in policy making or morality" Utilitarian Universalists really have an odd habit of trying to insert themselves into ideologies they don't like. "I'm not a christian, but doesn't the bible say X?" "I'm not a racist, but if racism were correct, whites are still dumb??!!"
@thinkingmouse27516 жыл бұрын
In group heratibility=/= between group heratibility.
@DrBrainTickler6 жыл бұрын
Bellantoni oh snap... LMAO Of course, theories are fluctuating fields of probability and any good scientist will change with the evidence rather than holding on to some thought they entertained in the past. Being liberal is defined as being able to let go of past beliefs and change. The ability to change is evidence for intelligence. Stephen Hawkings
@Bellantoni6 жыл бұрын
Well did you read my other Chomsky quotation? That was closer to the time when this video was made.
@DrBrainTickler6 жыл бұрын
Bellantoni no but I imagine it proves the point it made. It is just the way informational emergence progresses.
@georgehanover691 Жыл бұрын
Each race has its own mental and physical attributes which it has acquired over its long historical development. Therefore race and racial differences are a biological reality, not social constructs. The different cultures that they produce are an expression of the innate nature of that group of people. Racial differences are real. Pretending you don't notice racial differences doesn't make you virtuous, it makes you ignorant of the world around you.
@vercot7000 Жыл бұрын
Prove it with sources. Nothing you can find will say cultures are an expression of their "inate nature" lol. Also differing phenotypes does not mean race exists. Differing medical conditions also does not mean race exists
@fayelis Жыл бұрын
@@vercot7000 They cant prove anything. What is even intelligence? How can an IQ test measure something that isnt even defined.
@fnfallout566411 ай бұрын
@@vercot7000 Sure, there are sources, do you have sources? All the constant differences between the races are due to environment? You so realize that sub-species are defined by differing phenotype? What is your definition for race? It probably doesn't exist.
@fnfallout566411 ай бұрын
@@fayelis You are an ignorant midwit. 1. Intelligence is defined 2. Apply your reasoning to something like a math test; what is math skill? It's not defined! How can we measure math skills? 3. However we define intelligence is completely irrelevant to the fact that IQ has PREDICTIVE power and has been found to be genetically heritable.
@vercot700011 ай бұрын
@@fnfallout5664 I never said all the differences between races are due to environmental factors. We know GxE to be true per Burt & Simmons 2015 as an example, so the way you’ve conceptualized “environment vs genetic” is fallacious. Also, no paper will make the claim you make at the end about subspecies with regards to humans. Please cite me one that does
@maritapinkstaff31996 жыл бұрын
I like this channel a lot but it would be good if you published the date, if even just the year, that these videos were recorded. Would NYT publish an article like this today?
@needlessoptions3 жыл бұрын
They probs don't know themselves lmao
@professorspf3 жыл бұрын
Probably about The Bell Curve, so maybe 1994?
@TheCelticsAREboss3 жыл бұрын
@@professorspf great prediction. this was on oct 4, 1994, according to the link in the description.
@ronnycary66753 жыл бұрын
Certain groups had no change in over 30.000 years. No written language built nothing higher than a two story structure
@Disco6ixco2 жыл бұрын
Because they didn't have to. Europeans we're much more populated and killed each other more so it was like an arms race. They also traded with arabs and asians who passed on information and inventions with each other. It's like cutting off someone on a standed island coming back 30 years later and wondering why they haven't built an empire.
@dabtican49532 жыл бұрын
@@Disco6ixco Exactly, Europeans evolved to have higher IQ through struggle, superior understanding of the world by adventuring to other lands and learning from other people such as the Arab mathematicians.
@asdfasdf8659 Жыл бұрын
Ur an evil man. And a liar
@oiaeyu Жыл бұрын
@@dabtican4953 evolved? 🤣 Do you know how evolution works? European hegemony is a recent phenomenon dating just a few hundred years. Europe, specifically Northern Europe, the supposed "smartest" was behind much of the rest of eurasia for thousands of years since the start of settled society. Might I also remind you the many times in history when complex societies were subjugated by "less" complex societies. So conquest =/= intelligence either. You guys have no understanding of the intertwined systems of economy, society or the results of historical events, just simple ideology supported by vague, post hoc explanations meant to flatter the insecure ego of unaccomplished individuals because the former would be too challenging. How I imagine the conceited ancient Sumerian musing about the acomplishments of their society as evidence of their superiority just for their civilization to fall like all others. Or a hundred years in the future if China regains hegemony over the world economy and some basement dwelling slug posts a comment on the internet claiming this as evidence of his superior genes. Pathetic.
@dabtican4953 Жыл бұрын
@@oiaeyu I was on the team that actually INVTENTED evolution.
@Specopleader6 жыл бұрын
Although poorly executed and with little time, 1:04 -1:35 is his main rebuttal. And his supporting explanations imply that the idea of "Race and IQ" are social weapons that obscure the concrete truth that socio-economic affect different races significantly more than anything genetic could. He wants people to dismiss this ideas as a distraction and as a "transparent weapon".
@michaelsmith86653 жыл бұрын
Exactly. He's already said all that needs to be said on race and IQ in "The Chomsky Reader" and "For Reasons of State." The question is of no scientific interest since both are "an obscure amalgam of complex properties." The reason the question is pursued has nothing to do with science: there is no reason to believe that any individual "stand[s] at the mean of his race category," and people who assume otherwise are racists. The motive for this kind of "study" is to rationalize racist social policy. Why should we want to do that? In a decent society people's rights and rewards would not depend on their intellect or any other personal attribute. So there is literally no reason to pursue this "debate."
@FrangoTraidor3 жыл бұрын
it's as obscure a fact as noticing the differences in countries such as Switzerland and somalia
@professorspf3 жыл бұрын
@@FrangoTraidor Well, first you have to ask, are genes the only possible explanation for those differences? Before we look at the effects of colonialism, of course, we have to look at what put Europe in a. position to colonize. Explanations of that issue range from institutional advantages in Europe like property rights (so argues Niall Ferguson, though I'm personally more skeptical of this it is an alternative to your explanation) to geographic/environmental advantages for Europe (so argues Jared Diamond, and though his book isn't perfect, there's a lot to be said for his argument) and hundreds of other explanations in between. You have to rule them out before you assume that the differences are down to genes. Whatever put Europe in the position, being in that position enabled 'The West'/'The Global North' to rapidly increase the speed of European development while dramatically reducing the speed of non-western development (for instance, by deliberately de-industrializing India while stealing textile manufacturing technology to help make Britain the 'workshop of the world').
@johnnytocino93133 жыл бұрын
Because they are. And as your rebuttal to his rebuttal, what position do you take on the matter?
@johnnytocino93133 жыл бұрын
@@FrangoTraidor What about a Somali immigrant that emigrates to Switzerland who attains the "markers" of what is considered success in Switzerland?
@metamentality98186 жыл бұрын
What data or article is he referring to? Does anyone know?
@mildass61736 ай бұрын
Yes he pulled it out of his rectum prior to the interview
@XavierKatzone2 жыл бұрын
So they DO nurture their families? Really?
@Bellantoni6 жыл бұрын
"I think that in some respects the sociobiologists are on the right track. I think it’s true that a good deal of our personal behavior, social behavior, reactions, and so on are the reflection of genetic programs, and I think that it’s a worthwhile enterprise to discover what these programs are.... But it’s important to be very cautious in making any claims about the role of heredity in human affairs - especially claims that would have social consequences if they were true." -- Noam Chomsky "Things no amount of learning can teach" (1983)
@fnfallout56642 жыл бұрын
"Everything is environmental", "Ok, some things are genetic, but mostly environmental", "Ok, genetics clearly influence our nature a great deal". Every time.
@edwardjones22022 жыл бұрын
@@fnfallout5664 who?
@fnfallout56642 жыл бұрын
@@edwardjones2202 "Progressives"
@fnfallout56642 жыл бұрын
@@TheHatter510 You psychopaths regurgitate the same sentiments ss the USSR, you'll fail and cause misanthropic chaos every time
@greenfrogbad2 жыл бұрын
@@fnfallout5664 pilpul intensifies
@grouchy41055 жыл бұрын
The reason that discussing race differences is offensive is that everyone knows the answer already. I hear a lot of people saying how Africans make great runners but nobody wants to take it any further.
@John----Smith5 жыл бұрын
Because there is nothing any further.
@grouchy41055 жыл бұрын
@@John----Smith So why not look into it to conclude that it's a dead end? Rather than shutting it down before you can conclude
@BlogofTheW3st4 жыл бұрын
We seem to accept evolution for every organ of every animal on the face of this planet except for the human brain.
@jmaguire2232 Жыл бұрын
Different races of human aren’t different species.
@pedlpower Жыл бұрын
@@jmaguire2232 They act like they are.
@ameer4129 Жыл бұрын
@@jmaguire2232they are
@jmaguire2232 Жыл бұрын
@@ameer4129 Go to school, Bubba.
@d_vid.dm003 Жыл бұрын
@@ameer4129are black cats a different species from white cats? White gingers people from white people with brown hair?
@adamesd36997 ай бұрын
I watched this and read the comments. A lot of the comments seem to misrepresent what he is saying.
@ZiCK_6163 жыл бұрын
Why the dislikes then?
@yorkshire_tea_innit80972 жыл бұрын
This is what youtube has become. If you search for an honest rebuttal or argument either way on the topic, you get Noam Chomsky , a non-scientist, saying it's impossible because there might have been some racist policies in Harlem at one point in time....
@scottbarr28892 жыл бұрын
a non SCIENTIST?! He's one of the most important scientists in the past 100 years.
@jovanlipovatz45032 жыл бұрын
@@scottbarr2889 He discovered what? A way to take money from rich children and waste their time.
@disct15972 жыл бұрын
What, do you know anything about Noam, one of the most intelligent minds. He is scientist, professor ten times over.
@yorkshire_tea_innit80972 жыл бұрын
@@disct1597 he's base.
@disct15972 жыл бұрын
@@yorkshire_tea_innit8097 really go back to sniffing socks, making stupid statements must be embarrassing 😳
@user-hh2is9kg9j Жыл бұрын
Dodging the question
@ThisWaytotheEgress6 жыл бұрын
can anyone site the NYT article he is referencing?
@HenryChinaski614 Жыл бұрын
Noem needs to stick to linguistics. Thomas Sowell writes at length regarding intellectuals tendency to believe themselves to be experts in more than their primary discipline.
@adambrashear Жыл бұрын
So Thomas Sowell who's an economist is talking about himself lmaoo.
@automan1591 Жыл бұрын
@@adambrashear lol
@misterE-1989 Жыл бұрын
Its so blatantly obvious. When Europeans were building castles and cathedrals and painting beautiful murals, the Africans were building mud-huts and had very little art, the Native Americans were building teepees and had cave drawings. It so obvious, just taboo and "racist" to talk about it.
@misterE-1989 Жыл бұрын
@@silversilver0 What about the IQ tests?
@adambrashear Жыл бұрын
Explain the pyramids, while Europeans were living in caves drawing on walls.
@EternalEmperorofZakuul Жыл бұрын
@@adambrashear Give the Amerindians credit. They have a superior society and culture over Sub-Saharan Africa Oh and the Ancient Egyptians were Caucasians, soooo
@TheGreatWesternTrendkill5 жыл бұрын
I thought this would be about race and IQ and not some trash article
@Alsatiagent4 жыл бұрын
They are referring a widely discredited book titled The Bell Curve. You might like it but for all the wrong reasons.
@sebastiantirado67544 жыл бұрын
The Great Western Trendkill nobody respond to this fucking moron trying to get idiots like me to respond hatefully.
@ashleigh30214 жыл бұрын
Alsatiagent It hasn’t been discredited by anyone seriously, it’s been vindicated by the vast majority of new research.
@freddiekruger33394 жыл бұрын
@@ashleigh3021 fucking what
@fightfannerd20784 жыл бұрын
@@Alsatiagent discredited??? lol are you fucking kidding me
@Zatzzo11 ай бұрын
When was this recorded?
@REVOLUTIONREVEALS2 жыл бұрын
Churchill did the exact same thing to the Celts.
@hpvegan16255 жыл бұрын
The article they are discussing, aka the entire context for what he says, is not in the info section. So there's not much to be gleaned here because we can't look up the article.
@balor76 жыл бұрын
Look at nobel prize winners and 100 meter dash winners and tell me there is no differences in intelligence and physical ability among races.
@plaidchuck2 жыл бұрын
Anecdotal and full of confirmations bias. Try again.
@user-gs1lz2pw9v Жыл бұрын
White people are competitive in every sport they participate in.
@cross821510 ай бұрын
@@plaidchuckmudshark
@alfredol8741Ай бұрын
The racist comments shows people happy to dedicate racism forever
@identitariansocialist35036 жыл бұрын
Only a weakling chooses morality over truth.
@Khalfrank5 жыл бұрын
Subsidize a "lie as a truth"? Wow, the only weakling I see here, is a piece of right wing shit like you. Mortality is a lesser evil than a greater evil like nonsensical lies spewed as truths.
@raymondlancaster33553 жыл бұрын
He is an expert on everything (in his own mind)......
@ryanburdeaux3 жыл бұрын
check out thomas sowell.
@BuGGyBoBerl3 жыл бұрын
is this supposed to be any sort of argument?
@roberthertz66343 жыл бұрын
Beats being a Dillard.
@BuGGyBoBerl3 жыл бұрын
@@drott150 contrary. noam actually gave an argument. raymond just accused him of random stuff which is irrelevant to value any argument.
@drott1503 жыл бұрын
@@BuGGyBoBerl Actually, you're right, he did give "an argument." And that argument was the very same one all leftists give when confronted with scientifically researched and validated facts that refute or go against their religious beliefs - *_You're racist!_*
@jondoh36626 күн бұрын
Wait was it a times article or the New York Times? What was the article anyway?
@user-vx3oz6wn1b6 жыл бұрын
Timely upload, given the Harris-Klein brouhaha
@tarnopol6 жыл бұрын
What did that moron Sam Harris do this time? Do I even want to know?
@user-vx3oz6wn1b6 жыл бұрын
Doug Tarnopol read Ezra Klein's vox piece & Sam harris' blog where he publishes their email exchanges (without permission).
@tarnopol6 жыл бұрын
What a fucking idiot Harris is. He loves to advertise the symptoms of being an honest, brave intellectual-but he lacks the disease. Meanwhile, the idea that Mismeasure of Man has been “debunked” is odd. For some sanity on race and IQ, here’s SJG from beyond the grave: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bt2ThrZ91J-4eac.html.
@chrisvoiceactingvoiceover14316 жыл бұрын
Saul Goodman Oh, context, context, it’s such a wonderful thing.... samharris.org/ezra-klein-editor-chief/ “But if you put the onus on me and spin it to your advantage, I will be forced to publish this email exchange, showing people exactly why I think a podcast with you would be a painful waste of time.”
@user-vx3oz6wn1b6 жыл бұрын
Doug Tarnopol thanks, insightful interview
@joebill486 жыл бұрын
genius is not born, it is made. The secret is repetition, repetition, ... Which means that parents really count. But that doesn't mean that a teacher can't overcome deficits. I did just that in 7th grade algebra in New Mexico. My students responded very well, and nailed the state test. We went over 30 problems on the board every day. I had a different student up front with me for one problem, rotated, everyone else took notes. I had students tell me that they used to hate math, but now it was their favorite subject. I am a retired engineer from UC Berkeley. My students were mosly Hispanic. I had 120 students. Almost every student did very well.
@DRtwinkies6 жыл бұрын
High IQ people learn complex concepts faster and therefore can learn more information in less time. It's an advantage.
@drott1503 жыл бұрын
You've just proven with your post that you don't know what intelligence - much less genius - really is.
@michaelsmith86653 жыл бұрын
@@DRtwinkies Maybe so, but that's no justification for distributing rights and social rewards according to IQ.
@FrangoTraidor3 жыл бұрын
@@DRtwinkies quite true. in a true meritocracy, hard work and intellect are duly rewarded while unproductive behaviour is culled, resulting in a 1st world civilisation.
@professorspf3 жыл бұрын
@@FrangoTraidor Hello again. In the words of the pioneer of IQ testing, ""Some recent philosophers seem to have given their moral approval to these deplorable verdicts that affirm that the intelligence of an individual is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be augmented. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we will try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing." - Alfred Binet, Les idées modernes sur les enfants, 1909