Choosing a cheap second-hand car: what about the Renault Zoe?

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'Proper' review and details in the first half; my wife unleashed like the Kraken in the second. Feel free to skip ahead if you're just here for some Italian drama. It descends into madness! 🇮🇹 😩
We want to get a second car with a budget of £10k. What do we get? It’s between a LEAF and a Zoe. Here's our first time driving a Zoe.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:00 - A mechanical handbrake?!
02:56 - Using the sat nav
05:15 - Driving
05:49 - Charging times: R90 or Q90?
07:59 - Design
08:20 - Boot dimensions
09:34 - A look at the cabin
11:02 - Seats
13:13 - Remote climate control
13:58 - Still driving…
14:50 - The big decision
15:38 - Why Zoe is still better than other EVs
17:06 - Reached the destination
17:26 - Enter the Dragon: Flaviana tries it
20:03 - “I don’t like it”
21:04 - Battery leases
22:21 - Zoe vs LEAF
23:02 - “I have to press the brake”
23:28 - “I don’t see why I should be insulted by idiots on KZfaq”
24:30 - An Italian lesson
26:33 - You’re still in reverse
27:23 - “I’m not spending more than £5,000”
28:05 - “What an ugly smell”
28:54 - Aurelia’s input
30:00 - Did someone say IONIQ 5?!

Пікірлер: 305

@MrEV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks to everyone who corrected me: the Zoe *does* have regen, but it's tied to the brake pedal. Flaviana's complaint is more that it doesn't work in the 'one-pedal' way we've been used to with the e-Niro and (to a much lesser extent) the old LEAF.

@RWBHere 3 жыл бұрын

Try to drive a ZE50. They're in a different league. The cabin has been improved in various ways, and the handbrake is now a small switch. B Mode is much stronger, and you modulate it with the accelerator pedal. We bought the R110 I, and it's fine for our needs. We did a 98.4 mile journey around the Northern half of Lincolnshire last week, with two people aboard, and still had 56% SOC. The weather was rainy and only 13°C at maximum. The ride is a little 'sporty', but not as bouncy as the ZE40, and it's very comfortable. There's not much storage space in the cabin - even the glove box and door pockets are too small to hold the handbook folder. So it has to live under a front seat. The LHD versions have a better glove box, because the fuse box takes up a lot of space in the RHD versions. There is no other covered storage, except for inside that large boot. It is possible to buy an after-market Renault drivers armrest which has an enclosed cubby hole, but it's not cheap, and you sacrifice one of the cup holders. Check Jan Bart Spang's channel for a video featuring him fitting one. The rear seats fold flatter than you showed, because the base lifts straight off and slots behind the front seats. But beware of hidden sharp metal edges inside 'convenient' holes in the back of the rear seats, and sharp edges on spot welds in the seat base frame.They're knife-sharp in a couple of places, as I discovered the hard way. The seats also split and fold roughly 60/40, if needed. The dash has a bigger and selectable display (3 distinct layouts), and the ergonomics of the (proper) switches and dials are better than in the older model. The central display seems complicated, if you start reading the tedious handbook (looks like the product of Google Translate, with some unconventional grammar), but it is mostly very intuitive to use. Build quality of the dash seems fine too. The awful piano black plastic has also been deleted, and the switches are robust. The only criticism is that the handbrake and automatic brake release switches are a bit far back for anyone who has been driving a car with a conventional handbrake. CCS charging comes as standard now, in most models, but the wireless phone charging has been removed from the very latest iterations. Battery warranty is 8 years/100,000 miles, and paint warranty is 12 years. Most of the rest of the car has a 5 year warranty. We bit the bullet and bought an almost new car (less than 1,000 miles on the clock, and under 6 months old), and bought it for a lot less than the new price. Worth every penny, as far as I can see. We love it.

@unconventionalideas5683 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting.

@jonjoyce3188 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta keep featuring Flaviana, her directness adds great balance and cuts through any nonsense, it’s one of the most entertaining things in any ev channel I watch! 👍😁

@narinderchander 2 жыл бұрын

Laid back guy/ direct wife = good presentation mix! 😀

@davidnicholson3488 3 жыл бұрын

Flaviana and Andrew - Don't give up doing videos please - it is a refreshing change to have someone speak their mind and have clear ideas about what they do and don't like !! Bravo !!

@themanofmead5273 3 жыл бұрын

Once Flaviana became animated around the 24 minute mark then the magic started to happen. Very entertaining. Bravo.

@LukeBiddell 3 жыл бұрын

Watched this with my two daughters. All three of us laughing out loud. Brilliant family.

@ghost70 3 жыл бұрын

:) I love your wife , she had me in stiches in the 1st 5 mins, say's it as it is or in her minds eye. I prefer a handbrake over an E brake as i know its on at least !! Ignore the haters and block them. Wifey def needs to be in more videos for a ladies point of view and i think your commentary style is great :)

@DouginaBoxster 3 жыл бұрын

Very saddened to hear Mrs. EV won't be in any more videos. I'm seeing a lot of love in the comments, I hope she changes her mind!

@avtomad722 3 жыл бұрын

We have to make her change her mind, she's awesome!!

@roderickmain9697 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta love Flaviana. She tells it like she sees it. The cultural differences are discussions I've had with my french teacher (he's half french and half spanish) and it is a thing that British are seen as (too) polite. So its a "Nil points" from the Italian jury. :-))

@avtomad722 3 жыл бұрын

She's the absolute best, superb attitude, and highly entertaining, I am now subscribed and looking forward to more! Thanks guys!

@MrEV 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@judebrown4103 3 жыл бұрын

Oh no! Please don't insult Flaviana, she's lovely and a natural on screen. Andrew clearly needs a strong woman 😂 the cultural differences she explains are fascinating. You go girl! 😉👍

@clattergate 3 жыл бұрын

It’s impossible to watch a video with Flaviana in without finding a little smile, great video great duo 👍🏼😁

@darrenspeak1785 3 жыл бұрын

Flavania is very very funny, very direct, very honest and highly entertaining. She certainly adds a bucket full of energy to your videos, something sadly lacking in a lot of car reviews on you tube. Her opinions and how she expresses them won’t appeal to everyone, but I think there will be far more who like her than those that don’t. Flavania if your reading this please consider doing more videos with Andrew, you make a great team and entertaining videos.

@flav1ana 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Darren, you’re very kind

@EndsBowen 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t quit ,you are Mr & Mrs EV. It’s entertaining , don’t take the negativity ignore it, they aren’t important you know who you are. Us Welsh love the Italians, keep it up.

@BRI535D 3 жыл бұрын

Loving the marital advice😀.Spot on Mrs T an EV without strong regen is useless.

@mvmallinson Жыл бұрын

Your wife is an absolute gem. And it says a lot about you in that you are the one she has chosen. Congratulations to both of you.

@bdeithrick 3 жыл бұрын

😂 two great women in your life. Keep them coming. Mrs EV is definitely different but it’s the Italian flare as she explains.

@RakebHasan 3 жыл бұрын

She’s really funny! I don’t understand why someone would insult her. Sometimes we, the EV enthusiasts, don’t see the flaws of an EV as just a car because we love the EV aspect of it so much. So It’s really good to hear honest opinions. Just ignore the haters.

@kiteless1 3 жыл бұрын

Oh, and R = Renault (in house) motor, 22kw charging. Q are made by Continental and can do 43kw.

@jadejensen4990 3 жыл бұрын

Flaviana knows what she likes in her ev and the videos are always great when she is in them.

@ElmosWelt101 3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love Flaviana's sharp edged comments. I'm not speachless that often but she would really leave me wondering what just happened. 😂 You're a lucky man. And we're a lucky family that we bought an e-Soul instead of a Zoe. ;) Brilliant video and a brilliant family. :)

@srowlands248 3 жыл бұрын

You’ve got to have a little more Italian spice in your videos she so funny and passionate.

@gtd65 11 ай бұрын

I have to admit I liked the candid discussion of the differences between Italian and British cultural norms 🤣

@blue31767 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed the video. Your wife and daughter made the review more interesting, than normal videos. It was fun and informative, cheers.

@Bill_McCann 3 жыл бұрын

Probably one of the most entertaining videos I've watched regardless of whether it was about EV's or not! You both compliment each other brilliantly, laughed most of the way through it..Flaviana rules 😂😂

@samuelbarford2249 3 жыл бұрын

The family videos are amazing! They give the real view. It’s not just about the drive or the driver. You buy a car for multi purposes which is left out in most reviews. Your channel is brilliant Andrew - keep up the good work 👍

@MrEV 3 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated! Thanks so much, Samuel.

@joefielder1556 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brilliant. You two bounce off each other so well. We definitely need more Flaviana in on the reviews to give her no nonsense verdict.

@PA-zh9vl Жыл бұрын

I think Mrs EV is great.Plse dont stop giving your opinions (on anything and every thing). And thank you Mr EV for your vids.I've learnt so much, although not yet persuaded to get an EV

@davidt1016 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Andrew and as always Fantastic to hear you wife's views !!

@itsonlysound Жыл бұрын

I love how blunt Flaviana is. If you don't like something in a car, you don't like it. It doesn't have to be some massive technical issue - some cars work for some people, but not for others. No point pussyfooting around it.

@philreilly6959 3 жыл бұрын

I can't believe Flaviana has received nasty comments. There is absolutely no doubt that she is BRILLIANT!!! You make a great video thanks to your banter. You must make more!!! Thanks for this one. (P.S. When she said 'I'm not spending more than £5000 on a second car' she sounds just like my wife!)

@airspike1 4 ай бұрын

Keep up with the video's Flaviana, it is refreshing to see a lovely lady with a brain in between her ears! Lucky man Andrew!!

@DafyddBr 3 жыл бұрын

Good luck finding a decent leaf for five grand :) I've got a Zoe ZE40 I think they're great but then it's my first EV and I've only ever had cheap cars so actually it's by far the nicest car I've ever owned. Flaviana is great by the way - very blunt, it's entertaining. Just block and move on when people talk rubbish!

@jonricketts2408 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, I love it when your wife gives her opinion good on her, please do more

@giiillesM 3 жыл бұрын

Thx Flavania for speaking up your mind, stay true to yourself! 👍👍👍

@richardhaywoodh 3 жыл бұрын

Keep up the joint videos, your opinions are important, ignore any insults which are completely unnecessary 😊

@rhinovulcan 3 жыл бұрын

14:14 There's a toggle button on windscreen wiper stalk. Press and hold to reset. Trip info/efficiency also available on main screen once selected 20:50 There are 3 indicator sounds to choose from via a button in the binnacle display. All are terrible though

@patrickh7368 3 жыл бұрын

Flaviana, take no notice of silly comments, we all enjoy and appreciate your honesty . Andrew nice learning about the Zoe, great range value, No Plate must have a value, please persuade Flaviana to continue with input 😊

@nabber68 2 жыл бұрын

Just stumbled across this as I’m looking for my first EV, doing a lot of research, I’m really enjoying your videos fantastic, fun, lighthearted, warm, and genuine. X

@DannyThompson54 3 жыл бұрын

I would highly recommend the Zoe 40kWh with the Q Motor, capable of up to 43kW AC it’ll charge a darn sight faster than the R Motor series. Apart from that there isn’t anything else to differentiate. And for Flaviana; Don’t pay any attention to the haters. You’ve brought a whole new dimension to EV videos. A friend’s wife is also Italian. Watching you is like seeing her talk very directly 😂

@NRajah 2 жыл бұрын

Don't stop doing videos, you are the best feature of the channel.

@neddyl1225 3 жыл бұрын

Love the joint reviews. Don't let Flaviana slip away. It's good to hear her opinion, especially with that lovely Italian accent.

@TiberiusDarkforge 3 жыл бұрын

Flaviana's contribution to these videos is always brilliant. Her directness and honesty is appreciated & always brings an extra level to the reviews. Please ignore the haters & trolls - they're not worth it.

@Fickle-Gamer 3 жыл бұрын

I deliberately forwarded to the bit with your wife 🤣. She always entertains, me and the wife are laughing so much. More videos with Mrs EV MORE!!!!!

@MrEV 3 жыл бұрын

I don't blame you! Another couple of Mrs EV videos coming soon...

@potter2702 2 жыл бұрын

Flavianna you are the reason I subscribed to the channel, your honesty is great!

@camrodger5381 3 жыл бұрын

Your wife adds so much personality to the channel. She is both beautiful, entertaining and honest. Thanks for another great video.

@mikeuk4130 3 жыл бұрын

Andrew, these videos are like Peter Kay's Car Share, except that they are really funny and I watch them. The girls are clever and hilarious. What's more, I can't imagine Flaviana worrying about insults from anyone. Talk of the Fiat 500e brings to mind that great scene in the Italian Job, where Milan is jammed with migliaia di Cinquecenti and all the drivers are shouting, chattering, laughing and hooting. You must keep the girls!

@luckymeat3050 3 жыл бұрын

I want an "Italian Lessons with Mrs EV" video.

@davidsommen1324 3 жыл бұрын

I would pay for that!

@emhowl 3 жыл бұрын

Superb video! Thank you to all :)

@hamshackleton 3 жыл бұрын

Love Flavi's accent!

@GB-lu4qn 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Flaviana Fantastic.

@NigelTrevor 3 жыл бұрын

Never comment on these but loved your wife’s overview of Italian people, glad you didn’t cut it

@flav1ana 3 жыл бұрын

He wanted to, I forced him to keep it! 😉

@sputnick4482 3 жыл бұрын

Pure joy ;-) the most enjoyable car based video I have seen.. I have been giggling and chuckling throughout. You definitely need to find a famous Italian film producer, a much bigger budget and drive us all towards the future horizon with a complete series of all-electric car video reviews, starting of course with an immediate request for Fiat to build their first £5000 electric car, but given the budget I suspect it may have to be made of pasta and carbon-ara fibre. Thank you for introducing the fun entertaining element to electric car reviews. This has to be made into a series... more please?

@MrEV 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much! Definitely some more family vids coming soon...

@rigel1632 3 жыл бұрын

Love the video. Ignore the haters, there’s always plenty of trolls in the inter webs but just ignore them.

@smijas 2 жыл бұрын

Flaviana is right on the money, when she talks about spicing things up in life (and in YT videos). She is a keeper!

@geraldfast3d 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Good to hear everyone’s opinion. Love my ze50. But too expensive for your used car budget. Leaf maybe better for the family.

@Banyan314 3 жыл бұрын

Flavania, you are a star !

@joegonzalez5128 2 жыл бұрын

Mrs EV, the force, the force (sounded a bit like divorce) couldn't agree more and mini Mrs EV is definitely a force in front of the camera. :-) Thanks for the rounded review on the Zoe, was contemplating one of these but will probably wait until the Ora Cat meows its way onto our sceptre isle.

@alaneasthope2357 3 жыл бұрын

Please may I say how Mrs E.V shines a light on the cultural differences between our countries? Thank you. Loving the videos, you are all so natural in front of the camera.

@Paul-if1jq 2 жыл бұрын

Never a dull moment in Mr.EV's home.... keep up the videos..

@guyyowell8547 2 жыл бұрын

Flaviana, you are the only reason I watch these videos!

@mike77cos 3 жыл бұрын

Flaviana makes the video, don't divorce her, get her whatever she wants.

@billyray323 3 жыл бұрын

Flaviana your honesty & humour is appreciated by me, I'm sure by others 😉

@adriangreaves4610 2 жыл бұрын

Love the Italian perspective. Keep her on!!

@sevesellors2831 3 жыл бұрын

Great review thanks.

@mra682 3 жыл бұрын

Good video thanks for uploading.

@Petelmrg 3 жыл бұрын

There are three certainties in this life: Death, Taxes and Andrew not getting a Zoë.

@LERobbo 3 жыл бұрын

Or a Model 3 😂

@Tom55data 3 жыл бұрын

@@LERobbo saw that one too....

@oldgrowler 3 жыл бұрын

Love the humour that comes from your videos now featuring flaviana. I know it wouldn't be in your second car price range but I would love to see you and Mrs ev test the mini electric, I'm testing one at present and it's a fun car and although range isn't great the efficiency is very good keeping it in sport and normal mode with spirited driving and still 4.5mile pkwh. Would love to hear both your views. Ciao

@nicknorton3867 3 жыл бұрын

Noooo, don't retire from your special guest appearances in the videos Flaviana! You are a superstar - ignore the idiots and trolls!

@Solderwire 3 жыл бұрын

No insults here....your wife is gorgeous...!!

@ianlove3 3 жыл бұрын

Great Vlog you are a great couple take care and stay safe.

@mikegipson1224 3 жыл бұрын

Yes more of these videos :)

@fr0d0scious 2 жыл бұрын

The back seats do completely come off. Love Flaviana so funny 😂.

@RizwanKiyan1 2 жыл бұрын

Make more videos with your wife… very good honest reviews… really enjoying these videos

@rebeccathorn6406 3 жыл бұрын

We love Mrs EV!!!

@markmilligan6616 3 жыл бұрын

Entertaining as always, good luck finding a cheap second car.

@lauriemiles1842 3 жыл бұрын

Who needs to hear about cars when we can hear your wife chat in her inimitable way about cultural differences! Please continue to appear in the videos Flaviana!

@jeffreycooper8408 3 жыл бұрын

You must have done something really really good in a previous life to get this much joy thrown your way. Zoe makes a great second car, and you can, with a bit of fettling, enable android auto !!

@terryhunter8324 2 жыл бұрын

Happy wife. Happy life !

@nelsonoliveira1007 2 жыл бұрын

Your wife is hilarious. Need more to her on your videos.

@darthonian8857 3 жыл бұрын

Most car reviews can be very boring, This was a lot of fun thanks :)

@marvinisrael1671 2 жыл бұрын

Mi piace molto, Fabiana! Personalità formidabile!

@dcvariousvids8082 3 жыл бұрын

The Zoe’s regen works via the brake pedal. The initial press activates the regen, not the physical brake. It’s only toward the lower end of depression, that the physical brakes activate. I think you’re a great family. Never seen one of your presentations which I’ve not liked. Always entertaining and frequently lighthearted. Please keep the same format... being your normal selves.

@BaarTube5 3 жыл бұрын

I was shocked and appalled to hear that people had been insulting your wife in the KZfaq comments! What is wrong with some people?! I enjoy your videos as you give ”the ordinary car users” opinion on EV:s. With ”ordinary” I mean someone for whom a car is mainly something that gets you from A to B, someone who doesn’t have cars as a hobby. And having your wife give her opinion on cars gives the videos more value as she has a perspective on the cars from a somewhat different angle than yours. The Zoe video was very interesting for me as I have been considering the Zoe as my next car. I now have an Nissan Note (ICE car), and I don’t really need anything bigger. What I need is an EV with a range of at least 150km in any kind of weather (here in Finland you can get -20°C in the winter even on the southern coast). If you want to get a brand new car the Zoe 50 seems to be the most affordable EV you can get that manages that kind of range (a 300+ km range in the summer means you should be able to get 150 in almost any weather). So thank you for yet another informative video! (And also thank your wife for her opinions, and tell her that Finnish is like Italian in that ”Can you pass me the salt?” is polite enough without any ”please”, so I understand her in that respect. 😄)

@happysporran Жыл бұрын

One I missed. ❤...no point being with a photocopy. Keep up the the great videos both.

@David-bl1bt 3 жыл бұрын

STAR in a reasonably priced car.... Flaviana, obviously! Fantastically entertaining and hilarious banter.... even though it is one-way. Maybe Flaviana should do the next car review, then introduce Andrew for his humble opinion.

@tomquimby8669 3 жыл бұрын

This video is so much fun, your wife should do the car reviews, brilliant.

@aussieideasman8498 2 жыл бұрын

Them both doing the reviews is optimal, since both men and women drive cars, and often for many different reasons. It would be less complete to leave one or the other out.

@colinhea 2 жыл бұрын

You need to keep Flaviana on your videos she makes them .I am in stitches and she has a point

@aussieideasman8498 2 жыл бұрын

People complain when women are left out, and other people complain when they are included. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's crazy, so do what you like. I just wish people would stop complaining.

@nickieredshaw7835 3 жыл бұрын

Great video thanks there is regen on the brake pedal , and there is power and regen meter and efficiency display and you can unlock android auto on the older cars just no Apple car play on non ze50s

@JonathanPorterfield 3 жыл бұрын

Keep at it Flaviana 💪 and im not going to say please .....👏👏

@MrEV 3 жыл бұрын

😂

@JonathanPorterfield 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrEV look forward to her wisdom on other future family evs !

@dbedford1000 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic fun 😀

@cbromley562 3 жыл бұрын

Like my wife, Flavania's got the moxie. Good stuff.

@thebigchip 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think we have seen the last of Flaviana (I hope not in any case) there was a glint in her eye at 25:23, I think she will be here when she wants to. Hopefully when the e500 arrives and the new unnamed car.

@DarrenSpill 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, Flaviana is fantastic and Andrew is a lucky guy. Real world family car review, well done.

@MrEV 3 жыл бұрын

She is and I am. Thank you!

@barrierodliffe4155 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrEV You are very lucky and your lovely wife is a joy to watch, My wife is part Portugese American on her fathers side and English Welsh on her mothers side, she can be a bit temperamental but we have been married for 43 years so far. I understand how your wife doesn't like odd people coming up and talking to her, I used to be very shy and would never speak to strangers but when I retired I started working at a museum and ended up being the person to meet school groups and often tourists, I love doing that and now I am one of these annoying people who talks to strangers.

@rustyjoints4857 3 жыл бұрын

Nice review of the older model which I haven’t actually driven. I’ve got a 2020 ze50 135 and think it’s a super little car, it was the best in its class for our fiesta replacement. The one thing that would be a deal breaker for me with the leaf is the charging, literally no chademo charging in our area! For your curiosity I’d just take a new Zoe out for a test drive so you can compare.

@bryandavies6074 2 жыл бұрын

Loved this. Including the raspberries.

@stephenclay6852 3 жыл бұрын

Good video. I’ve never driven a Zoe but I think the range on the newer one’s is pretty good and it’s a lot bigger than you think. But my overriding memory of it was it felt very cheap feeling inside and the charging is not being supported on some of the newer chargers that are been installed. The Nissan is a better built car and feels better as well as larger but the range on the early cars wasn’t great but as a second car ether would probably work for you. I do prefer the look of the Zoe it’s aged very well .

@jen1sur 3 жыл бұрын

All love to Flaviana!

@AlanTov 3 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure handbrakes have anything to do with how a car is powered 👀

@SteveJones-om6ks 3 жыл бұрын

Keep an eye on public charging compatibility with the Zoe. Lots of new chargers are just CCS or CCS and Chad. No type 2. If that continues Zoe’s might be bit tricky to live with longer term.

@MrBobitsabc 2 жыл бұрын

I have a ZE40 Zoë, my first EV in March 2019 and a MG ZS EV My second EV in March 2020. Having watched this after the Fiat 500e and Tesla reviews I would say the Zoe is more practical than the Fiat 500 and probably just as much fun as a small town type car. I hanker for a Tesla M3 but can’t justify the cost but I agree with Flaviana about the Kona and in my case MG ZS EV SUV being a chunky more solid appearing car with good visibility all round, higher up and a safer feeling while driving. Great reviews, thanks.