Chris picks up a random issue of X-Men to look at how many dialog cliches pop up, based on Chris Claremont's recurring tropes. / comictropes / comictropesshow
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@gr8kat15 жыл бұрын
Nimrod was the name of a Biblical character, a hunter. I believe Bugs Bunny was the first to use it as an insult toward Elmer Fudd, mocking his hunting ability. But I think the joke was lost on people and they took it as a general insult like dummy or, well, numbnuts. It's an awkward, if perfectly cromulent, name.
@pentelegomenon11752 жыл бұрын
Nimrod is a king, probably an actual historical king of Babylon; many kings fit the Bible's description somewhat, especially Sargon of Akkad and Hammurabi. The "king as a skilled hunter" motif was common in Babylonian art, and the story of Nimrod seems to allude to this, possibly in a mocking way.
@whitleypedia9 ай бұрын
Bugs was being ironic comparing Fudd (who was hunting) to a legendary hunter. The insult stuck !
@pulsarstargrave2566 жыл бұрын
This business about the expository nature of some of Claremont's dialogue has to be credited to Jim Shooter. Shooter was trained by DC editors and one of the things he brought to Marvel was making any random issue of any comic, comfortable for a potential new reader! I think he said every Marvel comic could be SOMEBODY'S first issue so the trick was to give them enough to know what's going on and at the same time, make them want to come back for more! Some people might be critical of this method but Marvel sold a ton of books during Shooter's tenure so he obviously knew what he was doing!
@ComicTropes6 жыл бұрын
I think it definitely helped bring in new readers at that point in time. I was one of them. But I also think there's a difference between some story exposition and lengthy dialog. Certainly Claremont had more word balloons than, say, a Steve Gerber story around the same time.
@hiko0826736 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you about single story shot.
@LQuatorze5 жыл бұрын
Hadn't those guys heard about a narrator or didaskalia? All these information shouldn't be in dialogs. That makes them unnatural.
@cruddddddddddddddd4 жыл бұрын
It worked for me. I was in 3rd grade at the time...
@trealsteve4 жыл бұрын
Josh Morris Agreed. Learned a lot of big words reading X-Men Classic growing up in the 90’s.
@SamGuthrie19777 жыл бұрын
Claremont's my favorite writer of all time. But he definitely had his recurring tropes.
@lukeskywalker68092 жыл бұрын
And we loved him for it.
@officegossip Жыл бұрын
A trope isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
@brianmccarthy69035 жыл бұрын
This video has explained so much to me. Between scantily clad Storm and all the villainesses in S&M gear, I now understand why I was such an ardent X-men fan when I was 13.
@EvelynDayless5 жыл бұрын
Bondage gear is something that should be in all media. Not really a trope just a sign of quality.
@Azrael_Garou5 жыл бұрын
Quality kink right there.
@hectorbeck43505 жыл бұрын
👌
@Chalor.4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. It's the pinnacle of elegance.
@cruddddddddddddddd4 жыл бұрын
Huh. Keep talking...
@redhairedmonkiflip88734 жыл бұрын
KZfaq: what type of comments do you want to see Me: Yes
@BuLdaHntiWrkshp6 жыл бұрын
Chris wrote the x-men for 17years. That's unprecendented.Odin bless you, Chris!
@davetorres39066 жыл бұрын
Man, i'm loving those comic tropes episodes, thx for doing it with my beloved X-Men
@ComicTropes6 жыл бұрын
Dave Torres Thanks for watching!
@Lazarus10955 жыл бұрын
"Drunk". The word you are looking for is "drunk", as in, "I am a little drunk".
@TheLoboFairchild7 жыл бұрын
I'm from Ireland, and we spell words the same as the British do, 'daemon' isn't our way of spelling demon. 'Daemon' is simply how it was spelt back in the mid 16th century. Also, it's a Lovecraftian way of spelling it to give the word more of a classical, demonic or magical vibe.
@CaptainShamrock4 жыл бұрын
LoboDeSade totally agree. From Ireland myself
@roscoelovesxmen4 жыл бұрын
I'm from England and yup, no one spells it daemon
@CaptainShamrock4 жыл бұрын
Roscoroo Cheese well that’s that settled 🤪
@pentelegomenon11752 жыл бұрын
@@roscoelovesxmen except satanists and wiccans and such
@DRAGONSWRATH872 жыл бұрын
Watching from the beginning. It's great to see how this series has evolved and I am so glad it has continued!
@darkphoenix4748 жыл бұрын
Claremont trope: techno-organic viruses! Right?
@ComicTropes8 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@Strawberry92fs5 жыл бұрын
Wolverine constantly saying "bub" is one of my favourite jokes about comics. I think the gamegrumps did like a 3 minute bit while playing an X-men game. Thank you Claremont.
@sirelfinjedi5 жыл бұрын
I remember reading this arc when it was coming out. Crazy stuff but high-stakes fun. Thanks for randomly grabbing it. Claremont was the writer who drew me into comics.
@dfcsons5 жыл бұрын
In the book 'Marvel: The Untold Story' it is mentioned how Claremont would get on everyone's last nerve with his over-affection of anything Brit-o-phile/Gaelic/Celtic/UK-based, etc etc (see: Daemon)
@VorpalDerringer7 жыл бұрын
11:50 Nimrod is a character from the Bible--Genesis. He's a mighty hunter, and Bugs Bunny referred to Elmer Fudd as a "nimrod", genuinely--people didn't get it, and assumed it means "idiot" or whatever, and lo, NIMROD, IDIOT MUTANT EXTERMINATOR is born.
@ComicTropes7 жыл бұрын
I am aware of the origin of the name but in popular culture it is of course synonymous with idiot and that meaning has essentially taken over.
@ironflazambat58155 жыл бұрын
I remember him explaining Wolverine's claws and skeleton issue after issue even in the same arcs. He's a great writer, but I found that kind of funny.
@ScipioAfricanusI5 жыл бұрын
I also grew up with Claremont X-men when I was at Bard College. Later when I was a a case manager at a women's homeless shelter in the Bronx, New York City I ran a creative writing group. Chris is an alumni of Bard so I asked him to speak to the group. He was great fun and I think the writers appreciated the intimate interaction with a celebrity.
@johnathanclark796 жыл бұрын
You forgot his use of the interjection of Cripes! Nimrod is a great hunter that the Bible makes one slight reference in Genesis but his book has been lost thousand of years or never existed.
@ecisme106 жыл бұрын
I know you won't read this but Nimrod was the name of a very powerful biblical king who was the great grandson of Noah. He's a "mighty one in the earth" and a "mighty hunter before the lord". I think he is also seen as one who is a rebel against god. Anywho, he was powerful and that's probably why they named that character as such.
@Chill_With_Will2 жыл бұрын
Forgot "for all my vaunted power", can't forget that one!
@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS6 жыл бұрын
I'm sure someone has commented this before, but daemon isn't the "British" spelling of the word, it's the latin word for a.. lesser type deity or a spirit. The reason it was (I can't see too many people today in the UK using it, unless you're a wordy ponce like myself) utilised so frequently over here is how central "The Classics" were to a lot of our education system. Hell even my Mother's generation were still being taught latin in school. Again dude love the content, you deserve a lot more subscribers than you have currently. You're easy to watch and clearly have a great passion for the medium. If you're ever in the UK again shout me up my dude, I'll get you a pint.
@AceLM925 жыл бұрын
I thought the "I'm the best there is at what I do" line was actually suggested to Claremont by Frank Miller when he helped draw some of the titles
@danielmctaggart707 Жыл бұрын
My favorite Clare-trope is golly-gosh-wow.
@chad87677 жыл бұрын
I really liked this issue, but yowza, you picked one of his more tropey issues. You were also a bit kind on some of the tropes you could have named. Like tentacles and women, Selene having tentacle arms, or characters transforming/getting hurt and losing almost all their clothes (although that is common in a lot of comics but Claremont did it more than most).
@jacobstaten23665 жыл бұрын
Nimrod is Hebrew for "hunter." The only reason people think it's an insult is because Bugs Bunny called Elmer Fudd one sarcastically, sort of like "Oh yeah, you're a real killer of men."
@kelzuya4 жыл бұрын
Ahhh interesting
@upandawaygames6 жыл бұрын
Forgot a very common one: the line "I... hurt".
@cupheadfromcuphead1644 жыл бұрын
Oh hi! you caught me watching Comic tropes' first episode
@SoftwareAgentsTV6 жыл бұрын
11:21 Kulan Gath captured Doctor Strange earlier in the storyline to prevent him from undoing the spell over Manhattan
@dustingentry14147 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel with the Rob Liefeld tropes. Love the videos, and what I love even more is that you're local! Tacoma local here. Grew up in Seattle and moved to Tacoma for cheaper rent. These videos are amazing. Keep up the great work.
@joshuaDstarks4 жыл бұрын
Easily my new favorite channel on here. Fantastic content. Keep it up!
@redProxy___4 жыл бұрын
You are making my corona days better! I don't know how many videos I already watched
@RyderLComics2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe I've never seen the first episode, good stuff even in the beginning!
@LongNite6 жыл бұрын
Not a wasp it's a yellow jacket, she fears becoming like her ex husband and losing control and hurting those she loves
@blackjack02024 жыл бұрын
I'm currently reading Claremont's X-Men for the first time and I'm shocked there was no mention of "ruby quartz visor", "weather witch" or "bionic housings built into his arms". Though at least reference is made to Claremont's many, many repeated phrases and shortcuts. I also would have counted Claremont's tendency to tell a scene rather than show it. That's easily the biggest drawback of his writing. I love the stories but there are so many times where something would be described and I'd think "well, it would have been nice to see that, Chris."
@IamE0N6 жыл бұрын
Before watching predictions: bright lady, goddess, what are you playing at, cadre, in a word electric, baseball or softball game
@IamE0N6 жыл бұрын
Oh no... this two-parter. If you did both issues you'd die of alcohol poisoning.
@noellenn21226 жыл бұрын
The explaining their powers thing is not so much a writer trope but more an editorial thing. I remembe almost all Marvel comics during those time when Jim Shooter was EIC, had that. Even Spidrr-Man.
@King_Hyperion897 жыл бұрын
I love the character Selene.
@IllegalPriest Жыл бұрын
Great videos from the very start.
@_Dogbeard_2 жыл бұрын
Though you've improved hugely, these have always been good :) Great work!
@RikoJAmado4 жыл бұрын
"Hello, my name is Chris. You caught me being a Chris. Speaking of which, let's talk about another Chris."
@davidthorson20365 жыл бұрын
Yowza! You might be the best at what you do but I got better. Now, I'm nigh invulnerable. Bang you're dead! But then I thought to myself: Is it my fate to be more beast than man? Lo, how the might have fallen!
@claywoodral75872 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the X-Men, hope you survive the experience. Oh my stars and garters
@temmere2 жыл бұрын
I seriously can't believe nobody ever said to him "Dude, you've put that on like 18 covers, enough's enough."
@jonilind61384 жыл бұрын
I've just reread Claremont's Excalibur-run and I've spotted his most used trope: Writing the plot so girls can get some new, sweet clothes. The whole run is pretty much "wonderful, amazing wardrobe of their greatest Pryde!"
@seankkg2 жыл бұрын
I know I'm late but "Apocalypse" was hilarious.
@SpikeValentine7 жыл бұрын
That story actually started in Uncanny X-Men #189.
@ShadowEl4 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 100K subscribers!
@EndlessLaymon4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video from the consistently awesome Chris.
@goldenbigb405 жыл бұрын
Man i have to say i never like comics i use to think they were just lame and losers read them, but i dont know how ended up watching one of your videos and it really got me hooked, i dont know if i could say i love comics i sure love your videos men, you have a really funny way to describe what happens on them, keep em comin, you got a fan here on chihuahua mexico!
@alexnejako7773 ай бұрын
there are a bunch. "I'm the best there is at what I do...""the full power of my optic blasts!""Bright lady!""Nicht wahr, Liebchen?""Shto!!"
@alexnejako7773 ай бұрын
you picked an awesome issue to use! a huge crossover.
@allanhernandez25084 жыл бұрын
Chris Claremont era of The Uncanny X-Men was the best
@jessewilley5313 жыл бұрын
Kulan Gath is keeping the city in perpetual night... so Sunsupot's power would be limited... unless he had a friend with light based powers.
@RCCarDude5 жыл бұрын
Over explaining their powers could also have been Jim Shooter's EIC style. Shooter believed every comic was somebody's first comic so explanations would be dropped in.
@broomob5 жыл бұрын
dang been killin it since day one
@SDW908085 жыл бұрын
Okay, that may be the funniest KZfaq video ever. Kudos!
@ricardothompson27002 жыл бұрын
I never saw any of these tropes as a negative. Claremont's writing style allowed any new reader to pick up the book at any point and quickly grasp the characters, their motivation, and abilities. After he left the X-books they became a directionless convoluted mess without an entrance point for new readers,
@poptart41803 жыл бұрын
This was awesome. My best friend and I used to laugh at all of these and one or two more when we were in high school (around when that issue came out actually). Glad to see we're not the only ones who noticed. lol
@RobertoMicheri5 жыл бұрын
Wow this brings back memories... the first X-Men comic I bought at the supermarket magazine rack
@tristians29155 жыл бұрын
i'm surprised one of the tropes wasn't his blatant favoritism of Storm lol. In the long run it worked for Storm and fleshed out her character, but it's still super obvious at times
@dennismendoza89047 жыл бұрын
Dat Apocalypse pic. As always entertaining and great review.
@ComicTropes7 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed my 100% accurate Apocalypse image.
@adinocc20424 жыл бұрын
Best comics writer. Best X-Men writer. Wish he was still at it!
@LungsOutJem5 жыл бұрын
The history of the mythical figure Nimrod is far more cool than the more modern insult.
@DevaNeeramanii5 жыл бұрын
I really loved and enjoyed this two-issue arc. This issue was the second part/ending of the arc.
@gilmo59942 жыл бұрын
Nice to go back to the first episode
@aldi4042 жыл бұрын
Time to watch all episodes again from the beginning ! ! !
@aldi4049 ай бұрын
and again !
@johnstuartkeller52442 жыл бұрын
Mad props on the Roddy Piper t-shirt, boss!
@JesseNicoleable8 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this very much! You're super informative, and funny :)
@GamingDreamer5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, back on those days there was that mentality of every issue is someone first , so they had to explain it.
@bronzetiger63602 жыл бұрын
I remember that book as a teen. Liked it, but yeah should have been better. It played a lot like a "What if" book, which I RARELY liked because the Heroes are "suddenly ", incompetent and easy to kill. LOVED CLAREMONT though, and his skill ,creativity and Passion for our merry mutants. Phoenix, Hellfire Club, "Good Maneto", Rogue, Mystique, Sinister,Sabretooth, Gladiator and The Shi'ar, the Brood, Binary......So MANY great creations.
@guyjperson4 жыл бұрын
Man, I enjoyed that one. I was at the height of my comics reading in the era of this issue. Forgot about it until this ish
@fredrikgranstrom67433 жыл бұрын
such a great creator
@Quiro267 жыл бұрын
really enjoy it!
@johnnyguitar214 ай бұрын
Hilarious episode!
@polymorphicblacksteve50383 жыл бұрын
Time to watch all of comic tropes
@TheBazingaGames4 жыл бұрын
What a first episode Chris, laughed a lot about it hahahaha
@baathbomb2750 Жыл бұрын
Immediately got an ad for blue sapphire after watching this
@Chance05 жыл бұрын
Drunk comictropes trope: "I'm blitzed"
@matthinton194 жыл бұрын
We need more fastball specials. Comics can take themselves a little to serious at times
@Eyrrll4 жыл бұрын
He also grossly overused the word “proverbial”.
@bae_ofpigz4 жыл бұрын
Wasps greatest fear could be wasps... like that time Bruce got scared by bats.
@TheKingmagger4 жыл бұрын
Very good that, thanks! You missed “notwithstanding “. He loved a bit of that.
@ericbarnett986410 ай бұрын
Old school Chris.
@binocular37512 жыл бұрын
This is where it all began
@sloansabbath71172 жыл бұрын
Episode one was DIFFERENT
@SoftwareAgentsTV7 жыл бұрын
I am a very big fan of Claremont's run on X-Men and even had the pleasure of meeting him in 2009 at Florida Supercon. I had been unfamiliar with this part of his run. My perception is that it's very under-collected as I had been familar with Claremont and Cockrun, Claremont and Byrne, the later parts of him with Silvestri and also Lee. The trade "The Gift" helped because this issue (and the other part of the story are collected there. It's a very fun comic story, but a very odd, esoteric one.
@Mokkari775 жыл бұрын
The mid-80s era when Storm replaced Cyclops as leader, Magneto reformed and became headmaster of the New Mutants and before X-Factor. It was before the big crossover events like "Mutant Massacre". John Romita Jr's artwork wasn't as pretty as his dad's but he was solid and a clear storyteller.
@aurelion49946 жыл бұрын
Hilarious video! What do you think made his run so popular despite constantly reusing all these tropes?
@jvioli15 жыл бұрын
I had fun! And yes I will keep reading comics.
@kgdhh6 жыл бұрын
I know this is an old vid, but he is called Nimrod after the biblical hunter.
@cjansenATL4 жыл бұрын
Spiderman and Red Sonja defeated Kulan Gath in Marvel Team Up. Scripted by Claremont. With Byrne pencils and Austin inks and Tom Orz letters.
@zzador2 жыл бұрын
7 shots at 11 am.....mad respect!!!
@joeydewey16403 жыл бұрын
So cool watching your first episode. This is one of my favorite channels.
@JoeJoe-lq6bd5 жыл бұрын
I loved that issue as a kid. I'd actually love to see a Kulan Gath film now that Marvel has all the characters.
@InfamousGUNN4 жыл бұрын
You are killing me!😂As an ex, collector and a new subscriber. who does live in Seattle by the way I love your show I’m having a great time here cheers!😅
@thekushjedi5 жыл бұрын
amazing
@adinocc20424 жыл бұрын
Also, Clearmont & Romita jammed a helluva lot of story/characters into these 2 issues. Maybe the MCU could do this as a way to do a sick ass Avengers & X-men team up movie? I know they wont tho!
@thelionsshare66689 ай бұрын
1. The reason why some of the tropes exist is because Claremont is following a rule Stan Lee followed, and Jim Shooter later enforced: every issue is somebody's first issue, so what's going on, who these people are, what they do, and why they're doing it needs to be clearly explained, which Claremont does quite economically. 2. Other tropes provide "character tags," what Blake Snyder called a "limp and an eyepatch." Like in Star Trek: TOS, that certain characters are going to say and/or do certain things that are unique to them.
@allluckyseven6 жыл бұрын
On Wasp's greatest fear being that she gets turned into a real wasp... I wonder how much of that is Claremont and how much of it is JRJR, because of the Marvel Method and all.
@captainhowdy27825 жыл бұрын
That was fun. Reminds me of some old vids of mine where I turned the Book of Mormon into a drinking game. The phrase: "And it came to pass" nearly gave me alcohol poisoning! Have you troped Steve Gerber's run on Man-Thing yet?
@peterwoodhouse4314 Жыл бұрын
A John Romita jnr trope around the five min mark: saying what a great storyteller he is :) . It's true though! Just subscribed, great work sir.
@Girthon14 жыл бұрын
Watching it again and still LMAO.
@HankHodges4 жыл бұрын
Great video Chris, but you forgot my favorite Chris Claremontism, "I love you." "And I, you." WHHHOAAAATTTTTT ¿ !?!¿ !?!?!?!?!?!