It's a shame that nobody comes to the net any more so we see so few passing shots these days. On balance, I think Monica Seles had better passing shots because she was able to hit with more topspin and get more acute angles.

Pdjohnners and Evert just had economy of movement , never a wasted foot movement

She joked once “ why run when you can just be there”

I'm not. She had a very good first serve, good second serve for that time period, and she was very consistent. Her groundies didn't do much, but for most players it was hard for them to do anything with them and Pam would come forward before they could. It's a shame Pam never really was able to improve her groundies, as she would have done even better. That backhand passing shot of hers was horrible. Graf used to knife her backhand much harder and more accurately.

Yes, Shriver had wins over Evert, Navratilova and Graf. She was one half of the greatest doubles pair in history. She could play tennis. 😂

Her shots looked heavy.

Quinn Miller They were not even in the same category and their record show it

That comment must have come from Pam.

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RachelDavisMatthews luck of draw - Pam drew Martina and striver bitched then in 85 Newport Pam got her chance to play Chris on Pam’s favorite surface grass and got her clock cleaned . So there

Pam always lost to chris. " oh gosh chris come on," i remember pam shouted out after not being able to reach a shot by evert one match. She just was so uncomfortable playing chris. Chris with her red nail polish and red skirt was hard for pam

@@b2theran Had nothing to do with nails or skirts. Chris just had the game and tactics to rattle her as she did with most other players.

She beat Navratilova at the U.S Open (qf) in 1982. She didn't manage a win over Evert until the semi-final of the Canadian Open in 1987. It was their 18th meeting.

Yes, Shriver beat Evert, Navratilova and Graf.

Martina also had much better groundstrokes than Pam. Even though both were serve and volleyers this was important since a serve and volleyer still had to be able to return well, pass well if needed, rally well enough to stay in points, and have good enough approach shots to get into the net off of. Pam often had to come in off a bluff and had a hard time getting to the net when she didnt hit a great first serve and her ground game wasnt strong enough.

I believe Shriver is playing with a metal racket. She later went to a graphite/fiberglass composite -- same racket I played with for a time.

andyyyp scarborough you are correct74-78 80-81 and close 82and 85

Exactly. Navratilova’s 82-86 reign is unrivalled for dominance in the pro era.

Brian Turner Evert could recharge her batteries each day each year better than any player in history if the game

I am not a Seles fan but in 91-92 she was more dominant than Chris ever was in any year, and she did it facing another great like Graf while Navratilova was not up to snuff yet during Evert's best years of 74-77 and Court and King were way past their best. I still cant imagine Seles would have even close to the staying power of Evert even without the stabbing though.

good post. a 43-37 head to head edge in 80 matches from 1973 to 1988 is hardly a OVERWHELMING advantage to martina.. what hurt's chris is of course the 13 match losing streak, however even that could be taken into context.. evert playing with a wood racket (of course that's not martina's fault), not in the shape to compete with martina during that time, etcetera) yes, i also think one needs to dissect their head to head record.. the majority of the time they played on surfaces that DID favor martina.. i would say from 1985 to 1988 they were pretty much even.. the victor of the match usually being dependent on what surface they played on.... in the 30 to 30 episode with them, evert did admit that martina's best day was better then her best day (as much as she hates to admit that she added)... however, while i guess evert would know more then all of us, i also think evert had/has a HUGE tendency for whatever reason to downplay her talent, her records, her ability since she retired? why i have no idea! it's almost like she wants to prove to the public that she has moved on and is "better than that" meaning she has a full life now and doesn't look back like some retired old champion pining for glory? heck, more then a few times when she is broadcasting she EVEN gets her own record and matches wrong? for example on 30 to 30 she said she lost to martina 14 times in a row? it wasn't 14, it was 13... recently she mentioned how nervous she was when she played her first wimbledon final against king and she lost 6-0, 6-3. it was 7-5 in that last set.. she has made other errors as well remembering matches and scores and results from her career? how one can NOT remember HUGE matches in a HUGE career is beyond me! i mean i'm just a big ole tennis fan and i can remember this stuff! laugh!..so i tend to downplay evert's own remarks on who was better on their best day...i think evert should really have said "well it depends on the surface".. does anyone think evert at her all time best on clay would lose to martina? i don't... i think evert could and should defend herself more not only in terms of her rivalry with martina but in any discussion on goat...

thomas schmitz I think It was the kind of dominance that Martina showed which Evert couldn’t match that’s why Evert said “her best days are better than mine”. When Evert had the 55 win streak, Navratilova bettered it with a 74 winning streak which still stands today as a record, male or female. Then there’s the modern slam. Chris never accomplished winning 4 majors/slams in n a row. Martina not only did 4, she did 6 in a row and had Sukova not upset her at the 84 Australian, Martina could have won that too. And talk about dominance on one surface, Evert only won the French 7 times whereas Martina won Wimbledon 9 times (starting from the 70’s and ending in the 90’s. even on the slow clay, Martina whipped Evert more than once - she beat Evert 6-2 6-0 on Amelia Island (same place where Evert double bageled Martina in 1980 or 1981), then again at the 84 French Final (6-3 6-1). And though Evert would beat Martina at the French again in 85 & 86 (both in 3 sets), Evert had not been able to beat Navratilova so dominantly on grass after 1980. Then again in the 90’s, talk about “longevity” when Navratilova was past her prime at 36-37, she still had convincing wins against the prime Graf, Seles, Sanchez, Sabatini. She beat Graf and Sanchez at the 91 US Open (only to ran out of gas against a tough Seles in the finals) and actually beat Seles and Graf in 1993 (both on indoor carpet). And on her last year being a singles pro, she reached the 1994 Wimbledon final (beating the tough grass courter Novotna along the way). Evert at 34 could not beat Graf and Sabatini any longer. She did beat a 15 year old Seles at her last US Open but Evert’s game at that stage lacked a powerful or point ending shot to make her competitive with the young guns (Graf, Seles, Sabatini). That’s why Navratilova is better than Evert. And that’s why Evert conceded that Martina’s best days were better than hers. Lastly, Martina spent more weeks as Number 1 than Chris and Martina became the year end number 1 more times than Chris.

fuck off

Morningglory shrivel did not have a backhand volley down the line . Chris knee this and just stayed on backhand side after hitting to shrivels backhand when hitting a passing shot to Pammys backhand when Pam was at the net . Martina rushed Chris robbing her of time .

patrick johnson Chris at 31 won 7 out of 19 matches after Jan 85 . Martina just raised her fitness and her game in 83 and 84 . Even Chris herself said Martina’s best was better than her best but she came back after 13 losses to change her fitness and fame to compete better against Martina

You have no understanding of wood racket tennis - I'm 55 and was raised on wood rackets - your predation and footwork requires far mor athleticism and determination because you couldn't win with power but with your brain and fitness.

Khan Tut so untrue

+Deep N. Hard the equivalent of today's park players of course, essshhhhh! i know a park player, a man that plays like pam shriver, essshhhh!

Khan Tut so Graf had Fernandez , Sabatini , sukova , Sanchez and not one of them is in same class as court king wade Goolagong mandlikova , Graf , Navratilova - these were Everts foes . Your analysis is nonsensical . Evert played and won most of her slams with a wood racket -not a power game like 90’s and later rackets

You speak rubbish.