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7 жыл бұрын

Subscribe: bit.ly/SubscribeToTopGear Chris Harris compares and contrasts the Porsche 911R and the Peugeot 205 Rallye.
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@BosnishMaffia
@BosnishMaffia 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris just raised the price of the Peugeot 205 by 200 % 😂😂
@deldridg
@deldridg 7 жыл бұрын
BosnishMaffia My thoughts exactly. I considered checking out the classifieds for one as a toy but, as you rightly say... :-)
@pgn666
@pgn666 7 жыл бұрын
205 rallye was priced high, even before this episode :)
@pgn666
@pgn666 7 жыл бұрын
www.mobile.de/pl/samochod/peugeot-205-rallye/vhc:car,ms1:19300_7_rallye
@janosch8145
@janosch8145 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i've got a 205 CTI 1.9!
@dreammfyre
@dreammfyre 7 жыл бұрын
BosnishMaffia Zlatans next car?
@AdrianosClassicGarage
@AdrianosClassicGarage 7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate videos from a true car guy like Chris.
@rudolfvanderven
@rudolfvanderven 7 жыл бұрын
Was about to say this. I don't think anyone expected Top Gear to exist longer than a year after the three spoilt kids had left, but thanks to Chris I actually enjoy Top Gear more than I used to!
@tidez4424
@tidez4424 7 жыл бұрын
Likewise
@rosscanning9040
@rosscanning9040 7 жыл бұрын
Adriano's Classic 500 i
@00ruva00
@00ruva00 7 жыл бұрын
Adriano's Classic 500 true
@Jay-ru3mu
@Jay-ru3mu 7 жыл бұрын
you would appreciate it would'nt you Adriano you dont pay for it Eu parasite :) :)
@drivewaystar6485
@drivewaystar6485 7 жыл бұрын
Driving slow cars quickly is so much more fun than driving fast cars slowly
@ajw1045
@ajw1045 7 жыл бұрын
James May says the same. You can drive Hatchbacks on the limit more. Driving can be alot more fun then. You can have a much faster 458 driving on these roads, but because it's so technical and does alot for you if you think about it, it misses that pure pure driving experience like this 205 has.
@MichaelSeeds
@MichaelSeeds 7 жыл бұрын
it is true, I have a impreza spec c and a 1.6 impreza. I love the 1.6 just as much.
@00ruva00
@00ruva00 7 жыл бұрын
Joey Komosa so true
@hashim11989
@hashim11989 7 жыл бұрын
I heard this about motorbikes and as I get faster and faster I appreciate how much the slow bikes make you work and how much they reward you. I don't care about speed, I don't care to have the latest and greatest tech, I love driving for the essence of it.
@deathcab4booty
@deathcab4booty 7 жыл бұрын
The fun level goes, in order from most fun to least fun: • Fast car fast • Slow car fast • Fast car medium • Fast car slow
@tmh44
@tmh44 7 жыл бұрын
Chris gets it--driving isn't about speed or numbers, it's about the experience and the FEEL of the thing. Running a scrappy hot hatch down a back road is one of life's greatest pleasures.
@joshbacon8241
@joshbacon8241 3 жыл бұрын
Proof that you don’t need a million horsepower to have huge amounts of fun driving a car!
@Piazzalanza-ls6lv
@Piazzalanza-ls6lv 13 күн бұрын
La 205 rallye non era una berlinetta scadenza anzi per quello che pagavi CAVALLI LIRE era un affare
@gotzvonberlichingen8588
@gotzvonberlichingen8588 5 жыл бұрын
Peugeot got a handbrake, Porsche not. Peugeot: 1 Porsche: 0
@harmtijssens
@harmtijssens 7 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris is in a class of his own, keep up the good work!
@wernerderwerners
@wernerderwerners 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah...he is the only reason why I continue to watch topgear
@Redzo79
@Redzo79 7 жыл бұрын
Guy has charisma of a tractor.
@neohimself
@neohimself 7 жыл бұрын
Chris is incredible, really takes the focus away from numbers (which are irrelevant most of the time) to feelings when you drive (which is the most important most of the time). well done :)
@deldridg
@deldridg 7 жыл бұрын
neohimself My sentiments exactly. Big numbers mean a lot less than raw emotive engagement. I remember moving from a Ducati ST2 to a new CBR1100 many years ago. Far more capable, tons more torque/hp, far quicker but nowhere near the emotional experience. I guess the biggest numbers win for those who haven't yet really cottoned on to the driving spirit.
@paullefrancois6585
@paullefrancois6585 7 жыл бұрын
That's why it's always better to test a car before buying it ^^
@nunzioamitrano2232
@nunzioamitrano2232 7 жыл бұрын
Chris is in a league of his own as a motoring journalist
@alphalobster8021
@alphalobster8021 7 жыл бұрын
Nunzio Amitrano savagegeese is THE man at the other end of the car spectrum.
@kl75182
@kl75182 6 жыл бұрын
I also really like Jethro from Drivetribe, he was at EVO before
@youbian
@youbian 5 жыл бұрын
We can thank his camera crew as well.
@domzbu
@domzbu 4 жыл бұрын
Carfection and Henry catchpole is good too
@suderp8583
@suderp8583 7 жыл бұрын
This is a more serious approach to car reviews, which is pretty enjoyable
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 7 жыл бұрын
It also helps owners of less than supercar, but yet still fun cars to not feel like they're missing out because they are not mega rich. So many video reviewers fawn over the latest 0-60 in 2.8 second wonder and seem oblivious to the fact that they are generally owned by people who can barely drive them, or car flippers who don't love them. There should be more vids along the lines of "Most satisfying cars you can buy for ten grand".
@douglaspealing5608
@douglaspealing5608 7 жыл бұрын
This video basically reinforces what I've been trying to tell my mates for years now. It's not about how fast your car is on the public road, it's how involved you are in the driving process. Sure, on track I'd take any one of my mates cars over mine, but I can have just as much fun with a lot less danger to my licence as they can, for a lot less money... on the public road at least. When your doing 95km/h and redlining your 1.5 diesel, on the limit of adhesion with your doorhandles on the road, left foot braking, heel and toe, trail braking, everything you've got just trying to keep up with your mate in his Subaru WRX, and hold on to the car as it moves around underneath you, you finish the drive, with the car hotter than hot, the brakes gone and yourself knackered, with the biggest grin in the world. Not because you managed to keep up with him, although that is partly it, but because of how involved you were in the process of keeping up, completely focused on nailing that apex, holding the slight loss of traction, managing the understeer and enjoying the oversteer, it really is hard to explain.
@robair67
@robair67 2 жыл бұрын
Couldn't have put it any better myself!
@erikhertzer8434
@erikhertzer8434 6 жыл бұрын
Harris is the single greatest car reviewer alive today...articulate, brilliant behind the wheel, personable...humorous....hes got it all. Deserves his own network show.
@fernandorodrigues1939
@fernandorodrigues1939 7 жыл бұрын
Chris just demonstrated what I have being trying to tell al my mate, speed is not every thing, the feeling and involvement is much more interesting for a great drive... But as usual it is just my opinion... I may and often am wrong! :)
@musiccylinderK6
@musiccylinderK6 7 жыл бұрын
Part of why driving an oldtimer/classic is so darn enjoyble
@666louis
@666louis 7 жыл бұрын
Also, in a modern car to have fun, you are in regions of speed that are criminal to say the least. Never had more fun driving than the time I rented a 110hp Caterham Super 7. 120kp/h on a country road feels like 200 in a modern car.
@GravyyTrain
@GravyyTrain 7 жыл бұрын
I never thought like this.. I always drove just performance cars but Im thinking I might have been ignorant. yes. you can't drive fast on the street, but to be honest you can't push an old sports car on the street either.
@houssamalucad753
@houssamalucad753 7 жыл бұрын
666louis get a BRZ then or the GT86. Same concept.
@fernandorodrigues1939
@fernandorodrigues1939 7 жыл бұрын
It is not about the pure speed, but about the engagement... in some cars you don't need to go very fast to have fun, and that is what I was refering to... bus it is just an opinion I am not correct or wrong nor are you, just diferent prespectives.
@abdelhameedbarqawi2907
@abdelhameedbarqawi2907 7 жыл бұрын
After i finished watching the video i took my keys and went for a drive ... only great journalists make u feel that way 👌🏻
@IULENZA
@IULENZA 7 жыл бұрын
This is THE proof that Chris is the best car journalist ever
@user-gq9bx7nh2p
@user-gq9bx7nh2p 7 жыл бұрын
Andre Tennis こー
@claudiomunoz471
@claudiomunoz471 7 жыл бұрын
Every video he makes is proof
@ajay0841
@ajay0841 7 жыл бұрын
and his insane disease of plugging porsches. even from his pre-top gear videos.
@topfitnessssss
@topfitnessssss 7 жыл бұрын
U think so ?? What's ur problem ? lol How do u define arrogance really ? He's explaining us the way it feels in a joyful passionate way unless Clarkson who's a true arrogant lil prick !! Open ur eyes ..
@DennisH22A
@DennisH22A 7 жыл бұрын
hard NOT to plug porsches when they are so good most of the time. I got to drive an old cayman once and it was pretty darn awesome
@TheCloudhopper
@TheCloudhopper 7 жыл бұрын
Watch at 2:18 Yes, he just did that. There is a lot of substance behind it when this man talks. Chris we love you!
@Lucas-ck1po
@Lucas-ck1po 7 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to leave work today and just drive home. No happy our or anything in particular but the drive itself. Anyone ever felt the same way here?
@CDA43
@CDA43 4 жыл бұрын
Yea, when I watch these I appreciate my car more. It's not especially special to anyone else or supercar fast, but I do find myself noticing different things and driving more intently. I understand.
@dominodon81
@dominodon81 7 жыл бұрын
Chris is the model example of a true Car enthusiast. He reminds us constantly that being a car enthusiast is about chasing the driving experience, rather than trying to be that guy with more horsepower than everybody else. Of course, that perfect driving experience will be different from driver to driver, but that's the beauty of it. Drive what makes you happy, not what catches everyone else's attention, or meets the approval of others.
@RickGraham
@RickGraham 7 жыл бұрын
Thought it was you I drove past in Lutterworth. Knew I wasn't imagining things. CH is the man!
@dumyjobby
@dumyjobby 4 жыл бұрын
i own a fiat panda 45 from 1982, 700kg, 45 hp, skinny tires, very low grip, unassisted steering and braking. I have such a laugh driving that thing because even when im driving at 10/10 the speed is low but the driving feels so engaging and fun. Its incredible how nuch joy light and simple cars can bring when driven. Thank you harris for showing that since most of the automotive jurnalists seem interested in cars waay above 6 figures and little interest is given to little pocket rockets that most of us could actully afford
@kayzenl7911
@kayzenl7911 4 жыл бұрын
Bwahaha really true with my 106
@achintyaaatreya
@achintyaaatreya 3 жыл бұрын
A person who really knows what driving is all about. Great guy.
@phillipjames13
@phillipjames13 7 жыл бұрын
please do actual Top Gear like this, and not the cartoon character you were made to play.
@JonasRosenven
@JonasRosenven 7 жыл бұрын
It's nice when a car show lets the cars be the stars instead of its hosts, right?
@StefanoMaggio
@StefanoMaggio 7 жыл бұрын
you're describing Fifth Gear, but unfortunately nobody watched it so... axed it got...
@dragospahontu
@dragospahontu 4 жыл бұрын
@@StefanoMaggio true that
@stuartcampbell8995
@stuartcampbell8995 7 жыл бұрын
I had a Renault 5 turbo when I was 21....brings back good memories...and I had a escort xr3i too with pepper pot alloys...old school
@stuartcampbell8995
@stuartcampbell8995 7 жыл бұрын
Krzysztof Dolecki I'm talking 30 years ago now
@eSysmanSuperYachts
@eSysmanSuperYachts 7 жыл бұрын
Stuart Campbell those alloys...
@kayzenl7911
@kayzenl7911 4 жыл бұрын
In France, people still talk about 5 turbo against NA 205 GTI. It's like a dual that never stopped here haha
@TheChocolateyGoodnes
@TheChocolateyGoodnes 7 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I keep my e36 M3. Though the world may have passed it by in performance, I always smile like a big idiot when I drive it. My AMG Mercedes will blow it into the weeds in acceleration, but I never take the long way home when I drive it. The old m3 always finds me taking the scenic route. Chris, I completely get it.
@stanislavpavlov6311
@stanislavpavlov6311 7 жыл бұрын
TheChocolateyGoodnes I still don't know why people hate the e36 it's a truly amazing car to drive. Same goes for Peugeot....yeah sure they forgot how to make cars but those 80s and 90s Peugeots were and still are awesome. Interiors rattle , electronics in the 306s go bad but hey at least they handle well in corners 😅
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 7 жыл бұрын
TCG- There's a reason so many people make track cars out of E36's. Balance and steering feel. I used to own a 1999 3231s with sport package. Not very powerful, but an absolute hoot to hustle down a twisty back road.
@nomadben
@nomadben 4 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about getting an E36 recently, so this makes me very happy to hear.
@vanilakung7563
@vanilakung7563 7 жыл бұрын
Never driven a 205 Rallye, but the 205 GTI is one of the best cars ever, if i may say so
@-______.______-
@-______.______- 6 жыл бұрын
I use A 205 Gt with 75 HP as my everyday-Car and love this thing. U don't need a whole lot of power to have fun and i agree: the 205 is one of the best cars ever made.
@asphalthedgehog6580
@asphalthedgehog6580 5 жыл бұрын
Owned a 205 1.1 and 1.4, drove a 205 Rallye, 205GTI 1.6 and 1.9, 106 Rallye 1.3 and 1.6, owned 2 106GTI's. All fantastic cars. Think about buying a 106 Rallye still. Modern cars don't do it for me.
@ubonrat8653
@ubonrat8653 7 жыл бұрын
Too many modern cars are all horsepower plus weight and are numb to drive, this proves that simplicity is best and you don't need to spend a fortune
@rahulmandala4930
@rahulmandala4930 3 жыл бұрын
Except the Porsche is still in a league of its own when it comes to driving experience and involvement. Sure, many modern cars are heavy and numb, which does take away from the experience. However, fun can mean many things in the automotive world, be it enjoying a car that’s way out of your league all the way to wringing out a classic car by the neck. Besides, cars like the 911R still appeal to people who love the art of driving. Sure, no car is perfect, including the 911R for the things it doesn’t have (i.e. Hydraulic Assist, manual/clutch to the floor, etc.) However, the 911R costs quite the sum because there’s nothing like it in it’s class today.
@quintinkrivacek9800
@quintinkrivacek9800 7 жыл бұрын
Driving is all about what your feet do, what your bottom feels, and what your arms do... couldn't have said it better myself
@camliv78
@camliv78 5 жыл бұрын
Ahhhh this is why I hold Chris Harris In so much high regard! This man actually truly knows what hell he’s talking about. It reminded me of my very first car, a 91 Toyota conquest 1300 S .... the difference is that car wasn’t actually very fast BUT it was sheer basics and YES and kid I drive the hell out of it, my point being it was bare basics ... no on board computer, no ABS .... just plain good old fashioned steering wheel shifting gears ... put your foot down and go 🙂 I miss that.
@coxbright
@coxbright 6 жыл бұрын
I think this has to be my favourite Harris video! I've wanted a 205 GTi for 10 years now and this video makes me want one even more!
@mikecoe64
@mikecoe64 7 жыл бұрын
Bwlch mountain South Wales 👍🏻 great video chris, keep it up 👏🏼
@MikeTheBike71
@MikeTheBike71 7 жыл бұрын
After the 2CV, a new love declaration to an old french car. Thank you Harris ;)
@davidreynolds81
@davidreynolds81 7 жыл бұрын
Oh my! My first car was a 205 1.4XS and it was awesome fun and I've never driven a car since that is that fun, so light that you open the bonnet and can see the floor! Love it!!!
@Troubleshooter125
@Troubleshooter125 5 жыл бұрын
Now that was a thoughtful and interesting comparison of two cars one might not ordinarily think of in the same frame of reference. Thanks a LOT, Chris!!!
@snowcat3116
@snowcat3116 7 жыл бұрын
This remind me my old 106 rally (same engine except ECU standard) God, it was a furious little car and the perfect machine to learn track driving.
@thiscocks
@thiscocks 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty much no parts in common between the Tu2J2 and TU24 engines even though they have the same capacity!
@alundrasrt
@alundrasrt 7 жыл бұрын
He's right, we want manual gearbox to feel the gears and the transmission loads not as an option just gearing for fun. Weight for grip, stiffness and safety is ok but for racing feel at low speed it takes away the pleasure. We lost something.
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 7 жыл бұрын
karim- you are dead-on! Imagine what manual transmissions would be like if car manufacturers put the same effort into shift feel, gearing selection and clutch engagement as they do developing DCTs and 10 speed automatics! Not that they don't have their place, but lately it seems like manual gearboxes are an afterthought, or something only worthy of being in a bare bones economy car. Sadly, we are in serious danger of losing the manual box entirely. At least Porsche got the memo and brought back the manual. Something about used manual Porsche prices probably tipped them off. Now, Ferrari needs to get on board. Nothing but love out there for the old gated shifters. I doubt anyone ever drove a manual 550 Maranello and said "Damn, I wish this thing had an F1 box in it". Unless they were tracking it.
@pantsyr
@pantsyr 6 жыл бұрын
We lost the 'human' in the driving equation over the last 15years or so... flappy paddle ABS Launch Mode Traction Control 200 airbags parking sensors self parking autopilot.. etc... what if you actually like to and WANT to Drive the a modern car? Nice to see a 911 with a manual transmission again.. and reminds me why I've hung on to my 6 speed 911/996.
@saalikkhan7671
@saalikkhan7671 4 жыл бұрын
6:23 I have never seen a man in a car happier.
@towers3135
@towers3135 7 жыл бұрын
Great filming and editing! And, of course, great work for Chris and Neil!
@Trendyflute
@Trendyflute 7 жыл бұрын
My old Miata makes me giggle uncontrollably on a twisty road, and it often happens under 40 MPH. Point well made. The 911R is the peak of refined performance capability and engine manufacturing. Elsewhere, it is merely "among the very best of the modern for tactility and engagement, which is in a lower league than cars of old".
@LR_84
@LR_84 7 жыл бұрын
Being 16, I'd have the 205 in a heartbeat ❤
@scotie690
@scotie690 7 жыл бұрын
Back in the day my late grandfather have a couple Peugeot dealers. I clearly remember when 2 brothers bought one for each. The smile when they got out... Just like Chris today. :)
@msbtennis
@msbtennis 7 жыл бұрын
Love the concept. Well done sir.
@PMGF
@PMGF 7 жыл бұрын
I love that little Peugeot! Back when they could make cars...
@callumpenman5992
@callumpenman5992 7 жыл бұрын
PMGF nothing with a hint of quality has...well ever rolled out of france
@Tvvugt
@Tvvugt 7 жыл бұрын
They're back tho. The 8 series are turning out to be great and somehow reliable. Still driving a 205 myself though.
@TheSkyline35
@TheSkyline35 7 жыл бұрын
Since the 207 they are back, look at the 208 and 308 GTI, just very very great cars
@TheBlaert
@TheBlaert 7 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The 405 Mi16 (which I own), 309 GTi, 205 Rallye/GTi's were all class leaders. Awesome fun cars all of them
@mikeygti8930
@mikeygti8930 6 жыл бұрын
Callum Penman Oh dear. Another french car hater who, obviously, has never had the pleasure of grabbing a french hot hatch by the scruff of the neck and driving it on a quality b road. If you wanna know which country builds the best hot hatchs, take a guess but two clues, it aint Germany or Japan.
@mohitha9230
@mohitha9230 7 жыл бұрын
Peugeot 205 rallye ?! hmm ,What is the Doug score ?
@haydenhale9066
@haydenhale9066 7 жыл бұрын
55
@DamienMarquesDaSilva
@DamienMarquesDaSilva 7 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@NikolajHansen
@NikolajHansen 7 жыл бұрын
Did they have the 205 rally in the US?
@WhitewalkerII
@WhitewalkerII 7 жыл бұрын
No they didn't
@burwood69
@burwood69 7 жыл бұрын
We only have peugeot salt shakers over here in Canada US unfortunately. I drove a 207 in Cuba for what it's worth, but we are limited to european vehicles.
@RaceMattC
@RaceMattC 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. It would be great to see more of Chris going back into history and driving the great street cars. In particular this comparison would have been interesting to see the 205 up against a 964 RS
@lumberjackbjh
@lumberjackbjh 7 жыл бұрын
I love the Cris Harris videos keep them coming!
@handsomeenglish4518
@handsomeenglish4518 7 жыл бұрын
The good thing is that you don't necessarily need a 205 gti... consider a 106/306 rallye, toyota corolla gti (huh?), honda civic vti (before the integra type r), citroen 2cv (if you want to get anywhere) and so much more... Driving today has given us a greater thrill of speed and ability, but the physical and spiritual connection between car and road is being diminished.. (it's not the car makers fault, safety, security etc... the gt86/brz have done a great job of trying to keep it alive) Great review
@RenoveAutoService
@RenoveAutoService 7 жыл бұрын
Yes the best driving experience Light/manual gear box/and sound!!! Thanks Chris
@wesleygonzales2049
@wesleygonzales2049 5 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris is the Patrick Stewart of Top Gear. He was able to replace the irreplaceable with something completely different and just as special.
@colinwoollard5739
@colinwoollard5739 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 1.3 205 Rallye for 100,000 miles, it was supremely memorable, nearly every mile
@erwinsims
@erwinsims 7 жыл бұрын
I have felt lately that "sport" cars from today forget what it is all about, Sure, it is obscenely fast, has extreme horsepower, drives 300+ and goes faster to 100 than sneezing but that car can do that WITH EVERY IDIOT BEHIND THE WHEEL! They all forget to give the thrill of driving, sifting gear just right in a proper car without electronics feels so much more rewarding that any car out there today, look back at the flappy shifters in the early days, they were flawed and slow and proper drivers loathed them.. just cause we got used to them does not mean they give a true feel of driving. we have speedlimits and those cars don't offer a thrill under or around that speed. To be honest in my opinion all cars have gotten so idiot-proof that even idiots can drive fast and that is where it goes wrong. I love cars that reward you for driving them on the limit, it is communicating and fun. when a car is overpowered and needs 1001 electronic aids just to get of the start line without you looking a fool and needs an automatic cause it can shift better than you can it says something.. Yes, we can make cars that go 400 kph and make over a 1000 horsepower but what does it all mean when you as a driver are more a spectator than actually needed for the performance to come out? So thank you Chris for showing off a car like the 205 ( I drove one and they are a blast) and here is a question for you.. How about a segment where you put the "icon" and the latest reinstalment head to head? like the 205 1.9 GTI vs the 208 GTI, Mazda MX5/Miata vs current, E36 M3 vs the late one and so on.. And forget about all luxury and build-quality and gizmo's (that just distract you from driving) and focus on the thing it should be about.. The feeling it gives you as a driver. I believe that would be an interesting watc! thanks for reading my rant, Erwin
@guy5140
@guy5140 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine how pissed the Porsche engineers would be after watching this 😂
@antoniop8794
@antoniop8794 7 жыл бұрын
man the editing is super neat in this one, good job
@MrFoulksy
@MrFoulksy 7 жыл бұрын
Chris and the team yet again creating fantastic videos. Never stop.
@resnonverba137
@resnonverba137 7 жыл бұрын
Reminds me that I wish I still had my old 205 GTI...
@FicaGTI
@FicaGTI 7 жыл бұрын
Same here....
@jobic4207
@jobic4207 7 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early it was still cool to hate on the new Top Gear hosts :(
@bavarianbanshee
@bavarianbanshee 7 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, at least on Chris' videos, people have grown out of it, for the most part.
@adrianmay2970
@adrianmay2970 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome Video. Love my 1.3 106 Rallye. Such great fun
@ReluctantCEO
@ReluctantCEO 7 жыл бұрын
Loved the quick shot of Chris heel and toeing! More please! Chris - please do a short video on how to do this correctly. The camera angle and audio was terrific.
@maXXik1337
@maXXik1337 7 жыл бұрын
90's.... when baguettes made great cars with normal interiors (ye Peugeot, you heard me). Chris is spot on here. It is not about the speed, it is about the thrill car can produce. The problem with modern - especially super - cars like this Porsche is, thay are way too fast for public roads, they are so good, that their limits are way too far. You make mistake? Ok. It is not in 70km/h, its most likely in 130+. Not only its illegal speed, you are also very close to big problem regarding your health. Thats why older cars or for example miata is so praised, its possible (and lot of fun) to drive it on the limit even on normal road.
@andreimangalia1468
@andreimangalia1468 7 жыл бұрын
Honestly I love Porsche, the 911 r is absolutely brilliant, but the 205 it's just awesome. It has that madness, that pure joy of driving and it has that sense of freedom.That's why the 80's hot hatches are still cool even in these days.😀
@stuartjameson4493
@stuartjameson4493 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome editing and camera angles!
@Pique147
@Pique147 7 жыл бұрын
My first car was a diesel 205 van. With no weight over the back, needless to say I learned quite quickly about lift-off oversteer lol. Seeing the interior of that spartan 205 brought back some memories.
@TGE
@TGE 7 жыл бұрын
Very enjoyable. Rah rah rah.
@beefcake97
@beefcake97 7 жыл бұрын
Did he really hit the curb at 2:25 or my eyes are shit?
@GearTutorials
@GearTutorials 7 жыл бұрын
Roland Malácsik he did. You can even hear a clunk.
@bspartee
@bspartee 7 жыл бұрын
Roland Malácsik I thought so too, but I think it's just when he drives over the storm drain in the road. Because you can hear that same sound other times in the video.
@MarkyFormula1
@MarkyFormula1 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe Chris should be doing the driving for the exterior shots too.
7 жыл бұрын
GearTutorials He was close to the curb but no where near touching it. The sound was a metallic noise as he ran over the grid, it even syncs to the car's movement.
@ProjectExMachina
@ProjectExMachina 7 жыл бұрын
I might be tripin but I don't think that Chris drives external shots. Driver have more hair and is paper then Chris.
@eeki97
@eeki97 5 жыл бұрын
How come this popped up in my feed only this morning?! Already based on the title this looks like perfection, and watching it confirms that it is. Now, time to go shopping for old french hatchbacks!
@Evohunter7
@Evohunter7 7 жыл бұрын
As always, love ya work Chris, Neil & Team
@LonestarPaul
@LonestarPaul 7 жыл бұрын
what road has this been shot on?!?
@chrismorgan2939
@chrismorgan2939 7 жыл бұрын
LonestarPaul bwlch road about 10miles north of port Talbot where 3 valleys meet at the top
@LonestarPaul
@LonestarPaul 7 жыл бұрын
that's gorgeous!!! Thanks for the info. If I ever get there one day... ;)
@chrismorgan2939
@chrismorgan2939 7 жыл бұрын
LonestarPaul I only live 20 miles from it, used to travel it often
@LonestarPaul
@LonestarPaul 7 жыл бұрын
Life's unfair! Have fun for me next time you go there :)
@harvey222
@harvey222 7 жыл бұрын
Could you elaborate more please? I'm in Bristol and want to check this out. Any help appreciated :)
@z0n4l1
@z0n4l1 7 жыл бұрын
amazing little toy the 205 is
@Lovefun558
@Lovefun558 7 жыл бұрын
What a great video. Great content Chris. Thanks!
@maxjelley4055
@maxjelley4055 Жыл бұрын
Gorgeous work here. I started watching this channel over lockdown and sage to say it’s become a bit of a safe space for me. I’m gonna own a 205 one day. Maybe an XS that I tweak a little or a rallye if I can afford it. Thanks to Chris and thanks to the community for sharing the joy!
@ChopperMeir
@ChopperMeir Жыл бұрын
Well the beauty of the XS is the same TU3S engine, different carb set up but easily tuneable and if you can get hold of a GTI front subframe and arms, convert the gear selector post (I did on mine, it isn't difficult) and you've got yourself what essentially is a euro spec Rallye for half the price.
@tomdtom5407
@tomdtom5407 2 ай бұрын
​@@ChopperMeirdifferent camshaft also
@ianward8107
@ianward8107 7 жыл бұрын
The drivers of the world know exactly what he is talking about. The car has to talk to you. I have been on test drives where on paper the car is a super hero but to drive. ( Clutch or shifter or seat position is horrible) my favorite Gearbox Honda Accord 4cyl 2006. Not much of a car but a delightful drive
@ianward8107
@ianward8107 7 жыл бұрын
Eddie Panedi I drove the F-RS as well. Very good car. Funny I was a salesman at at Toyota dealer too about 10 years ago. And the only fun vehicle they had at the time was the Tacoma X-Runner. The V-6 and the transmission pairing are excellent, very fun to drive.
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 7 жыл бұрын
Try an S2000. Delicious shifter feel.
@ianward8107
@ianward8107 7 жыл бұрын
Doug Robinson I would love to drive an S2000! I bet it's a great car to drive.
7 жыл бұрын
A 205 Turbo 16 Rally Group B is certenly a much better driving experience than any top tier car of today.
@mro9466
@mro9466 7 жыл бұрын
you don't drive a Group B, you survive a stage in a Group B
7 жыл бұрын
David Hill Driver for sure, Group B rally cars were the the epitome of the driving experience. 400hp cars, less than 1000kg, all wheel drive, no electronic assistance. Audí Quatro, Lancia Delta S4 Integrale, Peugeot 205 T16.
@deafyboy86
@deafyboy86 7 жыл бұрын
Sebastián Demaría 400hp? Yeah in 1984, in 85' and '86 they were close to 600hp.
@oliviergrandjean1918
@oliviergrandjean1918 6 жыл бұрын
Actually, by all accounts at the time, the homologation version of the 205 T16 was underwhelming. Low-ish power, (200hp) turbo lag, ... There was a PTS (Peugeot Talbot Sport) kit sold to private racers that took care of most issues but it was not road-legal, iirc
@afrankena
@afrankena 6 жыл бұрын
Olivier Grandjean the road versions yes. But that wasnt anny different for the rest of the homologation groupe b cars. But in full rallyspec they do 400 to 700ish. Depents on what car and the year.
@nikb6528
@nikb6528 7 жыл бұрын
Perfect video, great message. Love these pure old classics. I'd rather go for a blast in this 205 Rallye than in the latest greatest McLaren!
@theroadexplorer6593
@theroadexplorer6593 6 жыл бұрын
6:22 Look at his smile when he changes gear, he is having so much fun!!!
@Arturo_S3
@Arturo_S3 7 жыл бұрын
A german car that looks like a german police car out of the factory is that even legal? LOL
@mirzadaullymun7129
@mirzadaullymun7129 7 жыл бұрын
Why does he hate the miata though?
@fondajames
@fondajames 7 жыл бұрын
Mirzad Aullymun I think he doesn't like the body roll but I'm not sure, he has a citreon 2cv that rolls way worse and loves it. But he also said he hates Lamborghini and has admitted the huracan is good so who knows
@tariqaleemuddin
@tariqaleemuddin 7 жыл бұрын
Mirzad Aullymun...no idea. Love Chris, but find it inconsistent.
@Tvvugt
@Tvvugt 7 жыл бұрын
Probably too large. I want to love the Miata, I just can't.
@360prav
@360prav 7 жыл бұрын
He has a quirk:)
@ShadowFalcon
@ShadowFalcon 7 жыл бұрын
Prashanth Panicker that's it. For the price of a decent second hand MX5 in Europe, you could get an equally well maintained Toyota MR2, or one of these (or if you're lucky, a Series 1 Elise), all of which are arguably better drivers cars (yes, even the FWD Peugeot).
@tal2471983
@tal2471983 6 жыл бұрын
you've done it again! Great video!
@manuelmanolo7419
@manuelmanolo7419 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent filming and editing 👍👍👍
@wibbers4578
@wibbers4578 7 жыл бұрын
Well, Grand tour turned out to be total shit. Honestly i think they are too old to continue it, i believe harris is a great change to continue the legacy of this great show.
@trance9158
@trance9158 7 жыл бұрын
Nicotine don't be completely ignorant
@cyjan3k823
@cyjan3k823 7 жыл бұрын
I think they arent too old, they just Lost themselves in this strange situation And out of whole New top gear crew only Harris is good And BBC know it, they upload Mostly his parts, not others
@aryajonathan3733
@aryajonathan3733 7 жыл бұрын
Krzysztof Dolecki Harris just doing his work per usual. He is a very active automotive journalist since his work in Drive. Its his passion and his life. Like he cant stop making a video and review cars. Compared to other presenters who are obligated contractually he actually wanted to be involved and expand Top Gear even more beyond just TV shows which tbh is a personal matter for the audience.
@TheRomichou
@TheRomichou 7 жыл бұрын
I hate to have to agree with you. the 3 blocks have turned into americans, with big obvious fake forced over-acted everything. I loved them so much in top gear. Chris is bringing so much passion around car.
@finnersz
@finnersz 7 жыл бұрын
Not total shit. Just not as good as they used to be. The American influence was too much. Oh well it was a good run.
@ONSEY.
@ONSEY. 7 жыл бұрын
Bayramınız mübarek olsun. 🌹🌷😊
@keremkuruuzumcu7761
@keremkuruuzumcu7761 7 жыл бұрын
ON ŞEY seninde
@ONSEY.
@ONSEY. 7 жыл бұрын
kerem kuruüzümcü 😊
@pontusojefelt2102
@pontusojefelt2102 6 жыл бұрын
This tugs at my heart strings! Peugeot 205 gti 91' was my frist car. Frikin loved it and i need one in my life again!
@spocktra50
@spocktra50 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you , great video.
@joemamaisfat
@joemamaisfat 7 жыл бұрын
911 is a tool 205 is a toy
@gweflj
@gweflj 7 жыл бұрын
I enjoy my toys more than my tools.
@callumpenman5992
@callumpenman5992 7 жыл бұрын
Kristóf Máthé I could build a toy that's got better quality than the Peugeot
@warwickstingray
@warwickstingray 7 жыл бұрын
Callum Penman what the hell has build quality got to do with fun!?
@00ruva00
@00ruva00 7 жыл бұрын
Kristóf Máthé you a fool
@mgray2418
@mgray2418 7 жыл бұрын
It say it's the other way around tbh, the Porsche's a toy for the rich and the 205 is a tool for a driving enthusiast.
@Tardisius
@Tardisius 7 жыл бұрын
I'll take ANY 911 over that 205 =))
@mattslip179
@mattslip179 7 жыл бұрын
Tardisius I bet you've never driven a car before
@Munkenba
@Munkenba 7 жыл бұрын
Someone get this guy an automatic convertible 996 and watch him eat his words.
@mro9466
@mro9466 7 жыл бұрын
Alfred Munkenbeck i think a C4 964 convertible tiptronic might be even better :D
@Outland9000
@Outland9000 7 жыл бұрын
LMAO! Alfred.... Well played.
@vojtasTS29
@vojtasTS29 7 жыл бұрын
Tardisius Me too. To sell it and buy the peugeot and an AE86. Will probably still have money left over.
@Whatever493
@Whatever493 7 жыл бұрын
"..safer to be the pedestrian..." omg, hella funny. Good stuff as usual from the dream team, Neil and Chris. Loved the pedal-box/gear change shots. Always pushing new and old ideas to levels of refinement unseen. Props Neil.
@Lotus.F
@Lotus.F 3 жыл бұрын
Your face when driving the 205 Rallye said it all, I know the feeling because I owned a 106 Rallye 1993 one of one thousand that was imported. That was an epic car pure raw driving pleasure.
@smythrich
@smythrich 5 жыл бұрын
Chris's enthusiasm comes across so well in this video. 3:08 !! how is he so happy in a 30 year old french hatchback ! he makes the best car videos by a country mile .
@papposupercarwatcher
@papposupercarwatcher 7 жыл бұрын
one of the best chris harris video ever
@qikqbn77
@qikqbn77 7 жыл бұрын
Yup, Chris nails it when it comes to the joys of just driving. It's the relationship between the driver inputs, car, tires, and the road. The relationship you have communicating with the car through the feeling of the gas, brake, clutch, shifter, and steering feedback. I also find that the relationship between the effort to work each control is important too. A car that has a precise and well weighted input relationship between clutch,gas,brake pedal effort, stick shift effort, and steering precision/feedback separate great cars from the mediocre. Porsche's over the years in general nail this aspect, but as Chris demonstrated, there are many other cars for a lot less money that can bring some driving joy in to your life as well. Great video Chris, keep up the great work!!
@toupikh
@toupikh 7 жыл бұрын
another great video! you're simply the best
@danielsan3681
@danielsan3681 7 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@MagicSkeleton
@MagicSkeleton 7 жыл бұрын
Those new edits with the pedals and gear changes are great!
@WeMuckAround
@WeMuckAround 7 жыл бұрын
I may only have a base model 1.1 Peugeot 205 Style, but when you're on a twisty b-road, ragging its neck, feeling that immense body roll you get from the soft suspension, you can't help but fall in love with it. You still get that feel that somewhere in its close ancestry, there's a rally racer.
@fulltonefulltone
@fulltonefulltone 5 жыл бұрын
A real car enthusiast and one of the few you can really trust. Chris Harris... I salute you!
@denniskwok7613
@denniskwok7613 7 жыл бұрын
2:18 Top editing right there! Well done Neil and Chris W.
@clubracer6
@clubracer6 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you thank you thank you! You're best film yet and totally relates to exactly how I feel these days. I went from a 996 C2 to a nicely modified 520hp 996tt and did not have more fun. Sold it and went back to my 345hp C2 and love it. Honestly, I think about selling it and getting a Miata and mark1 GTI.
@suttonsplash14
@suttonsplash14 7 жыл бұрын
Chris youre one of my heros. great film
@Lukec4ge
@Lukec4ge 7 жыл бұрын
Time to start restoring my 205 GTi. Dormant for around 7 years....ready to reclaim its glory. Thanks Chris Harris.
@costastsamis6706
@costastsamis6706 7 жыл бұрын
i had driven one 205 Rally twenty years ago for about an hour and boy i still remember it. It was pure driving. Chris Harris is one of the best car journalists and this video proves it.
@alfamonk
@alfamonk 7 жыл бұрын
proper review - getting to the essence of driving, while we still can. When we're sat in the back of an autonomous pod this is what i'll miss.
@jonobassett
@jonobassett 7 жыл бұрын
Damn close to those rocks at 4.33 !! Reminds me of why I bought a Twingo RS 133 cup as a school run car..... fun all the time ... Great video by then way
@neil2wheels876
@neil2wheels876 5 жыл бұрын
Harris and Catchpole. Our very own UK motoring journalistic royalty. Both were/are involved in Evo. 'nuff said
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