That line was actually in the novel 💯💢💥💫🤟

@@swiftmaticAnd it was delivered perfectly.

@@swiftmatic Many lines were.

Have to give them credit though, Children of Dune was a ton better.

Yeah. That seems just about perfectly said. I often wonder just how some actors are given roles or directed, or how the editing was done. Sometimes it is glaring that the funding for a project has been poorly used or there wasn’t enough to do it properly.

It would be great if someone like Ian McNeice could be available for schoolplays!

*Middle* school plays

@@janakakumara3836 .......JESUS! :D

Sopranos reference😅 I Don’t see him?

which is doubly true considering that the emperor is referred to as Padishah, a Persian title lmao

The costumes are just too distracting. Taking me right out of it. Instead of a biblical proportions epic, I see a bunch of people in a room talking like weirdoes.

@etsequentia6765 better wardrobes and lighting would have made a massive improvement in the series.

@@etsequentia6765 What do you mean? That's _Dune_ all over, and always has been!

Hey! You try making a miniseries with the budget of a dinner at Applebee's and then you can judge this production!

@@whatever3132 The budget was $20,000,000.00.

I hope y’all went to an Italian restaurant, so when they bring out the breadsticks, he could say, “True Roman bread for true Romans.” 😂

@@anathar8830 And he's a hugger!

Somehow, Ian McNiece as Baron Harkonnen just doesn't scan for me! He just doesn't have the FACE necessary for an evil s.o.b.!

@@mikegrossberg8624Makes him seem benevolent. When he isn’t.

I loved him as the announcer in Rome

@Jaegar19Ultima I see what you did there :D I wonder if the Guild of Millers is still around in Dune.

@@Tadashi2 The Spacing Guild uses only the finest melange - true Arrakeen spice for true Navigators.

@@pplesandoranges So that is where I recognize him from - was scratching my fucking head lmao.

Hahahaha lololol! I needed that laugh this morning!

It's true, and they are TO DIE FOR!

Yeap, fit for an Emperor of the Known Universe.

My how things have gotten worse in the Dune universe.

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Well said

There's actually not much of Skarsgård's Baron in the new films. I'd liked to have seen more of his scheming.

totes agree!

the 80s movie was the Baron for me, dripping with pus and full of depravity. This baron is pretty decent but is consistent with his previous characters from Mr Tapling (Hornblower) and the Wagonmaster-General from Sharpe as well as the town crier from Rome.

Hmmmm….I thought they would’ve looked totally righteous dressed as Starbucks employees.

Sardaukar wear grey and black uniforms with gold trimming in the books. Their officers had epaulets and wore extra trimmings. They looked more like Russian officers in the Napoleonic era, complete with sword. The Lynch version had the Sardaukar disguised as Harkonnen troops so they mostly just kept it that way

@@SantomPh I was always a bit confused about the sardukar uniforms in the lunch version. Unless the harkonnens had two sets of uniforms; the hazmat ones with the green glass or the ones with the two pipes on the face mask? I thought the sardukar were disguised for the first attack so not to involve the emperor. But at the end his 50 legions of sardukar are all still wearing the black hazmat suits again. Maybe lynch couldn't be bothered for a new design or the budget couldn't cover it?

But, she had the memories. She knew before birth she was abomination. She had plenty of time to say 'screw that."

Alia is my favorite "tragic" character in any novel. She had no control nor choice in what would eventually happen to her, her entire autonomy was stolen from her the moment Jessica selfishly took the Water of Life while pregnant. She was basically "possessed" by Other memory before she was even born so how could she have any way to change her fate?

@@wolfkins Before Jessica IGNORANTLY took the Water of Life. Jessica didn't really even know what she was doing when she took part in the ritual. She was basically following the path of least resistance, and trying to manipulate the "primitive" Fremen, because she and Paul were being hunted right after Leto I was killed. If the miniseries gave you the impression that Jessica was somehow being selfish when this happened, I suggest you read the books.

@@davester1432 I did read the books love. And I said selfishly because her primary motivation (in my opinion) was securing a place of power/safety with which to integrate her family. I don't doubt the love she had for her family but she was conditioned by the Bene Gesserit to be a tool for manipulation & I think it is reflected by her decision to drink the Water of Life, she was certainly given instruction concerning the ceremony before the Fremen would trust her enough to undergo it, I believe she did have some knowledge of the process, enough to realize that she was risking her life & her unborn baby's life yet she did it anyway & that is selfish.

She was never confused. She has the memories of Jessica, including the teachings of the abomination she received. She understood the Reverend Mother's concern perfectly well (Hell, she even prompted the conversation asking her to tell the Emperor who she is). Later, she just got stuck handling a lot of stuff on her own after Paul wanders off and Jessica leaves that she's too busy, distracted, and exhausted to guard her own mind against the influences of the voices within, she listens to them mostly because everyone else has left.

Agreed!! Too bad they didn’t have a little bit more $$ in their coffers for this!! Personally I thought McNiece was excellent as the Baron. They didn’t have the budget to make him more repulsive and vile as he was in the book, but Ian really brought out his evil and conniving ways!! And Julie Cox, well she’s smoking hot as Irulan!!

I want whatever you're smoking. Actually, I don't. It would probably kill me.

Did you watch this video? The acting is UNWATCHABLY bad. It's hilarious.

@@Abmotsad Sadly you are mostly correct, but again not all the portrayals were bad.

I agree. I find this still the best version, although the new movie has nice sections indeed.

The most badass thing to come out of an infants mouth in all fiction.

Scary Spice...

the high school play budget spice

That Tleilaxu stuff, that or the "Ultraspice"

Low budget is the reason.

The "bath salt" found in shady gas stations and convenience stores, the stuff that'll make you go zombie and want to eat someone's face.

Excellent Burn!! 🔥

No! Liberace had taste and style, though unapologetically flamboyant, and he was a good pianist. This has none of that.

so true

Hahaahhaahahah

Although, to be honest, European and many other cultures' royalty in real life weren't any less over-the-top when it came to court fashions. It just seems bizarre because America is so young and never had a domestic monarchy with all the trappings.

In my opinion, these costumes are far better than the ones in Lynches movie. The one in lynches movie feel grimy and cheap, not at all imperial. Nevermind the Harkonnens who seem more like a group of BDSM fanatics than a powerful Noble family in Lynches version.

Well the film has a lot of weird costumes and very odd eccentric features on men like giant eyebrows and stuff, and weird hairdos. But I always liked to see the movie a certain way. In history great men have always had a identifying eccentric aspect. Lincoln's height, hat, and mole. Hitlers mustache. I like to think in the distant future of Dune, they have realized this, and have attempted to sort of make it fashion culture if you will. Where many many people attempt to have eccentric or exaggerated features, in order to stand out, or distinguish themselves.

I was in London today. Saw the changing of the guard. Bear skin hats and shiny helmets. They look ridiculous. But, I know better. Cavalrymen in name only, motorised infantry is what they are. Guardsmen? Well those bayonets aren't just for show. I'd be willing to bet at least a couple of those guardsmen have used a bayonet to finish off some poor bastard trying to desperately crawl away.

Technically speaking the Swiss Guard in Rome is the Pope's guard. The full description is Guardia Svizzera Pontificia, roughly translated Swiss Papal Guard. They are well trained but are not SF stuff. Although one of the requirements is to have completed Swiss Army basic training it may be the guy is a cook or a lorry driver.

@@Braun30 i don't know about now, but the swiss guards have historically enjoyed a fearsome reputation as being premiere fighters

José Ferrer had more style playing the Emperor.

Agreed. The miniseries definitely looks cheaper and flatter than Lynch’s Dune, but it has better performances and does the story much more justice.

love them both. wasn't happy about the stilgar actor swap in the children of dune though.

Someone had to say it . . . .

@@DerrickVanderspoon Flatly disagree on the performances. The performances in Lynch's somewhat limited scope of Dune, far out strip the performances in the Sci-Fi mini-series. But it is Not the fault of the Mini-series for this. The screenplay adaptation, while honest to the novel in everything that it covered, was just some terrible script writing, it seemed rushed and dummied down. The actors, director did a marvelous job with those crap scripts. The set designers and costume/prop designers I think did well. And as cheap it sounded, the soundtrack was immersive enough. The Mini-series value is that it goes further than David Lynch's Dune.

and you also know its a delicious crystal fruit reflecting the colours and resonance they soaked the foundations of ther societies and vaules in.... its almost a shame the author not got a bit 'generous' with her 'spice & ancestors' powers for that scene when she is alone with the emperor's court and the supposedly most powerful 'magic' users in ther galaxy ,i think its sort of in the books to...but can be cearten... but i guess the ending parts with i think is it not muadibs son doing ''letos peace'' as a half transcended thing before going into the sand to become a worm himself sort of beats that.

She could have used the Voice to command the Emperor to kill himself, and he'd do it. The only one in the room who could resist her at all is Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, and Alia has powers she doesn't even suspect.

She was always way more scary. She was very powerful and way more ruthless. Ghanima and Leto II who were not afraid of her, since they were far stronger, knew not to push her too far.

@@pyrolight7568 then agen.....push anything to far.... but i guess since she was ''pree-born'' or what ther term for it is ,that did make it hard for people to relate to her and starved her of a lot of normal social stimulation.

On top of her other powers, she was also quite sadistic! Which only got worse (or better) as she grew older.

the current movies are more expensive, I wouldn't say better

I like this version MUCH more (though I think I"ll love the recent movies MORE).. unlike even the Reverend Mother, Irulan started putting the pieces together bit by bit and realized that the Baron set this whole thing in motion to make his one nephew incompetent so that his other could be the savior.. in doing so, she discovered that Paul didn't die and that Alia was his sister. This scene makes it look like she could tell right away, but if you watched the series, once she realized who Muadib was, it was easy to deduce who Alia was. I liked this version of Irulan whereas in the book, she was a quasi enemy of the Atreides or an incompetent.

I agree. I wish they made a series that stuck this close to the book with today’s technology…

The new movie has 10/10 visuals, sound, pomp, grandeur and 2/10 for "movie"

Planet of the Atheists, Indeed. Could have added acting and production values to that list.

Seemed more Buck Rogers.

it's decent and more accurate that Lynch's movie. Hopefully the remake coming out this year will be better.

Ian McNiece - yes, thanks. I was wondering who it was.

Especially since they didn't get into the really weird, creepy stuff from the Lynch adaptation, or what looks like is in the new film. In the novel, Baron Harkonnen was unquestionably evil. But it was more Renaissance nobleman evil, not bizarre freaky bathing-in-black-oil evil.

@@minsapint8007 true roman barons, for true romans

Yes, better than Lynch's version and much more faithful to the book. The costumes are wacky but otherwise great miniseries.

The expansion of Irulan's role was one of my favorite parts of the miniseries. Julie Cox did an amazing job portraying the character. In this particular part, I love the smirk she gave the Baron when she announced Paul as Maud'Dib. The way they wrote the character showed that the treatment of the Atreides family never sat well with her, particularly given the way she was used to further the plans the Baron and her father had to overthrow and destroy them. Here was her moment to see the Baron come face-to-face with his failures.

He only eats bread produced by the Guild of Millers. The Guild of Millers uses only the finest grains. True Roman bread, for true Romans.

It just suffers from that Syfy TV show look. If you watch an show that was made by Syfy they all have the same look, style, and acting. Nowadays when you look back, it looks especially cheap, but honestly Syfy were the only ones doing sci-fi shows and this was the budget they had. They probably shouldn't have shot it in the same style as an episode of Stargate SG-1 though.

I have never thought it was bad. The CGI was cheap but I have never cared about that as long as what happens is not ridiculously impossibile and over the top. The costumes sometimes are too much but hey. This is a decadent empire 10k years in the future: you are bound to have some periods where fashion becomes ludicrous like in the 1700s. And it is a honest attempt at being faithful to the books. Beside, I absolutely love the following series, Children of Dune.

The Lynch interpretation of the Baron is a sick freak. Ian McNiece’s portrayal has this wonderful sort of Shakespearean gleeful menace. Skellen Skarsgaard in the new film is kind of dull by comparison.

@@theosprey7111 Agreed. Seems to be channeling Marlon Brando though with not really much of a lasting impression.

Well.....

"It's not wise to be so impudent, my child." said with a gentle smile and glassy eyes. 😏🤌

Personally, I found the Emperor's accent very distracting. The Baron Harkonnen was fat, but not nearly fat enough.

A lot of people criticized the Sardaukar uniforms in this adaptation but they remind me of Renaissance Condottieri. Fits with the politics.

Are you joking? This makes 1970's Doctor Who look like high art.

@@theosprey7111 Their uniforms aren't great, but at least they're not wearing hazmat suits.

@@FinnMcRiangabra 😂 help!

I agree this version pairs with the novel as far as the script but is nowhere near the costume and actors appearances. Where as 84's actors match with the characters descriptions and most of the costumes match up but doesnt follow the story.

@@vikingwarlord24 Probably due to the much lower budget (TV version).

Then you didn’t like the book

@@MikeInDubai What?

@@MikeInDubai The costumes designs were abysmal. I had a very difficult time watching the miniseries. I also did not Care much for the casting, with the exception of William Hurt who played Paul Atreides father. Yes, I do agree with deusImperium.

King of Italy wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Italy

This is a miniseries from the early 2000s. They did show the extended version of the 80's movie in the 90's on Sci-Fi though.

Honestly I agree, I'd love to see the royal guard saudarkar in somethnig stupid as long as the fremen comment on how stupid it is

Yeah The Fayde casting was really brilliant. Lynch ws just a fanboy of that band. I like this cunning/technique Fayde. And it's gonna be even worse in the new movie.

Count your blessings; they could have pronounced it "MooWaDhib"

Planet of the Atheists Aw man that was a low blow.

Shaddam is not supposed to be an old man yet at this point, I don't get that part at all.

@@ecoquilting7077 anyone in a position of high ranking government power will age faster than regular citizens.

@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 hello, Melange's geriatric effects?

@@ecoquilting7077 She called out the truth.. in the book even though he was in his 70s he looked in his 30s and Alia just called it out.

You mean the hats, not the whole costumes.

Yeah I thought the Lynch version in the biosuits looked like crap

J S Yea maybe, but chef hats, tight pants and nut covers...Meh.

Joking right? The look like gay purple clowns.

The costumes in "Children of Dune" were a little less ridiculous and they got rid of that natty mop of pseudeo-dreds. The same actress reprised her role as the Reverend Mother in the sequel and she looked a little more refined with shorter hair.

British royals still wear those hats to this day.

they have the best sandworms overall, and the best Baron.

I wonder, if he had known the truth .. would he never had started the whole thing, because he would have not seen the need to?

I agree! I think. I have not seen the miniseries ever and felt just now like I was watching some dubbed foreign version-Latvian maybe, bad Fellini- of Dune. Or what they call space-opera? Over the top, for sure. Like Ming the Merciless! Love those old b&w space-patrol movies! 🚀

sorta, kinda.. but she regained herself by sacrificing herself (aka suicide). Which is a reverse version of the Exorcist in that only in killing herself can she save herself from the Trial.