I think you should leave your hair alone. But if you insist, go silver Chris ❤

I tried to listen without watching and usually when I was curious to hear where a tone was from it was the silver

If you got the loot, BOTH!

Sounds like a lot more low end in the silver... I think I like the black better

Definitely black 🙂

It is you tube people just want attention. The music gear shows on you tube are a joke.

It’s a beat up by magazines, then the internet guitar communities of the early 2000s. The silver face Twin was a long running staple for a reason. Once the Les Paul thing started getting air after Slash everyone has been talking about “the edge of breakup” tone as the most desirable guitar timbre. But the inherent qualities of single coils and clean Fenders have run a parallel course through Knopfler, Marr, SRV, alt-country, to Mayer. I heard SRV live in 84 playing his Strat through two silver face Master Volume Twins and a TS. Nothing wrong with that tone! The distortion was through the sheer volume colouring the air, not through circuit breakup. Went out and bought one and have used it ever since. Just turn the Master Volume to 10, taking it out of the loop, and use your channel and guitar volume. But please keep the myth intact. It’s a treasured secret for many who hold them dear.😂 Just listen to “Lenny” and ask yourself if you could do that on your Les Paul with a cranked amp. Then, if you’re really adventurous, go back and listen to Bloomfield playing a Les Paul through a Fender and open your mind.

Agreed! Never heard anyone say that about those awesome Fender amps

Word…people literally crap themselves over these amps - even pimple faced D-bags…😮😂👍

yep, this is a joke

Chris Buck plays, I pay full attention.

You are absolutely right and as long as the silverface has had the blackface tweek it would sound very close

I was thinking the same thing. :)

That’s totally true. The speaker has a great influence on the tone of the amp. My 65 deluxe reverb ( a real one from the 60s) had an Oxford speaker that sounded like rubbish. So I put a G12M Celestion in it and it transformed into a wonderful sound.

Pro reverb was a pre CBS design. unmodified silverface, no, it doesn't sound the same. I have a first run 1965 (since 1996) and I had a 1969 (from 1999-2013) and tried that speaker switch before. they do not sound exactly the same

I don’t hear a lot of Tele in modern county. Hardly ever, actually.

@@mlwilliam213 I am not a country fan, but love the sound of telly pickups, especially the neck pickup. I am surprised it's not used way more often for country.

I think that’s actually quite an interesting observation how that sound informs your music taste because until I got into playing in my band (alternative indie rock) I loved blues rock stuff but the second I first tried a 5150 & Marshall astoria custom cranked in stereo in the studio when recording a track, all of a sudden I haven’t stopped listening to hard rock and metalcore trying to hear that sound that made me feel like I was soaring

^^. Yes, each of those are uniquely Fender but all do their own thing very well. I always loved the Red Bronco!

@@michaelshearer3559 Thanks! Yeah, that Bronco on 10 and a humbucker equipped guitar is the epitome of a classic sound. The dual showman is a perfect pedal platform and when pushed hard into an Ironman II attenuater it’s also got that perfect breakup.

The CBS eggheads didn't mess with the lower powered amps too much. They used some cheaper components, but that's about it. There's probably not enough difference between your Princeton and a blackface to even be noticeable unless somebody has performed butchery on it.

I have a 68 Princeton too (non reverb). It has a cleaner higher headroom design than the reverb version but i love it, so does Mike Campbell, it’s less expensive too. Takes pedals beautifully. I put a Celestion greenback speaker in mine and tungsol tubes. I play it constantly and it never needs repairs. My 72 vibro champ gets a lot of action too.

@@uponcripplecreek1 Mine is non-reverb too. I’ve had it since I was a kid. My dad bought it for me probably in 1968.

I used to have a 72 silver face quad reverb. Loved that amp, the clean head room was unbelievable on it. Worked very well with pedals for hard rock.

The ‘68 definitely sounded brighter and the ‘65 sounded fuller, but everything that was lost in the ‘68 CLEAN, was restored when you drove the amp harder (or “let it out” shall we say)-more desirable when cranked (that “high gain” sound-choice!), but left alone, the ‘65 reigned for me-though both amps sounded great! Just depends on the context I suppose, but yes, both those amps are truly gifts from The Lord (Father, Son & Holy Spirit-The One True & Living God) Who gives us the ABSOLUTE standard for what GOOD is so praise Him for that . I’m grateful to God you posted this comparison , God bless you both! On another note, ya’ll ever mess around with a Fender Princeton? Soli Deo Gloria -Ronnie

Well, there is technically a difference depending on the model. Having different coupling caps, tone stack caps. It has an extremally different frequency band from the other eras (Tweed, Brown, Black). It is important to also note that this is also why each of these generations do actually sound different. Aside from a few differences in the B+, tubes, transformers, etc. The coupling and tone stack caps have are the thing that defines each of these amps that Leo so thankfully worked on. Ever notice how the Silvers have that very unique low end? Very "tight" and "full", depending on yours ears I guess LOL. They have a shifted mid scoop and a certainly different top end character? A large portion of this difference is in those caps. Now, it takes a HUGE amount more power to produce lower frequencies. The lower the more power needed. These frequencies can strain sections of an amplifier. This is why Tweeds would first tap out on head room at the power transformer and they had a lot more sag because of this. But on the Silvers(having the fattest power transformers lol), the output transformer would be the bottle neck. It gets strained and thus produces a lot more compression as this is the characteristic of an output transformer. Although you can't always hear this the feel factor is pretty large in my opinion. This is probably stuff you already know if you are someone who is into it like me. I'm not disagreeing with you at all writing this. As someone who does waste many many hours of my life reading schematics and geeking out about this stuff (because it is just so cool), I can't say I hate Silvers. They have an excellent charm that is just so different compared to the other eras. I have a 69' Bandmaster Reverb that proves this point. But yeah, they are made to be clean and the Blackface sound much tighter and better overall imo. At the end of the day we all have different ears and minds and we all like different things. And something cool to know is that you are always a few components away from Blackfacing a Silver and vice versa. Same goes for any of the eras. Have a good day :)

@@crazyguy4974 You are not wrong, yet...... As I wrote, during the ~15 years of SF era, some models went through drastic changes over the years (different OT, Master Volume, big changes in the circuitry etc), while some (especially very early drip edge ones) were practically identical to the BF amps with more or less changes later on as the 70s progressed, depending on the model. So there are no "Silvers" as such. It always depends on what exact amp we are talking about. Some were BF amps with different make up, while others, later on, were very different amplifiers. Of course if someone has the tone of a BF piggy back Bassman in mind, he might be heavily disappointed plugging into a SF Bassman 135. Totally different amp. But you cannot say BF are this and that, while SF are so and so. Always depends on the year and the specific model.

​@@modestoney1577 Hey man, I totally agree. I was talking in too general terms for the two eras. I think that what I said could be attributed to alot of SF models regardless though. Especially post early 70's. As for the video - the 68' Custom PR doesn't sound like the Bf PR (which I think is AA 165?) or a AB763 Vibroverb. It has all the stuff that makes it a SF amp. You can clearly hear the difference I was talking about, especially in the gain side A/B. But yeah, definitely depends on the model and year. Still I think in general terms what I said could be attributed to at least the BF era? Good fun to talk about :)

@@crazyguy4974 Sure, man, I don`t disagree with you. Just two geeks nerding out about details ;). My main point was that there are plenty variants of SF amps out there and the clickbaity title doesn`t really hold up. If there ever was a general hate towards SF amps, it was by people who have a lack of experience / knowledge, I guess is what I was trying to say. Even the SF that don`t sound exactly like their BF counterpart are great sounding amps in a lot of (most) cases. My guess is that people got their hands on later UL SF amps and expected them to sound like BF amps and were disappointed. Also one has to keep in mind that even two BF amps of the same model might not sound 100% identical all of the time, and that speakers play a big role in this also.

YEH ONLY A TWIN OWNER LOADED WITH EV12L KNOWS JUST HOW HEAVY THEY ARE., GOOD IF YOU HAVE A WHEEL IN WHEEL OUT GIG.

Yes. I have the same amp which I got back in my college days. I think it has an amazing sound; not at all thin or brittle as some people tend to describe it. And when I add my pedal board it is a wonderous combination. But it is indeed very clean and that is why it is a perfect pedal platform.

My cousin has a 73 twin reverb he used it for 50 years its an awesome amp the brightness will blow your ear drums out

agreed

no. the red knob is not the "evil twin". they are different amps. you are referring to the twin II which has black knobs and is a Paul Rivera design. the red knob is an amazing and unique design that i use daily in the third hole... you can get very dumble tones with it. note it is Steve Cropper's first choice backline amp. the twin II was a two channel made to compete with Mesa at the time... with its heavy overdrive channel... "evil twin"

I agree, so musical , give the guitar note piano like complexity

And honestly, they both sound great, but I like the presence on the Silver better.

Ditto that! I have an original mid 70s silverface pro reverb and my 68 custom deluxe holds it's own with no problems against its older, bigger, brother. The pro reverb is better quality, better built, and definitely louder being 45 watts, but as far as pure sound.....I might prefer my 68 deluxe? It's no slouch, I don't care what any KZfaq amp snob says.

One million times agree with this.

Love my supersonic! Had it for years and it’ll stay with me for a long time 😊

I got one. Bargain of an amp.

I bet it was all blk, and had JBL speakers in it.??

@@ksharpe10 it was all black dunno about speakers and it was sitting in a flight case as it would have been wheeled to gigs then sat upright to play then laid down again , I didn’t buy it as it was so heavy -internet says around 100 lbs !!

Actually, this circuit is AA165, the same as the first blackface Bassmans.