It's a shame so many people behave badly in the outdoors. 😒😣🤔 We have the same problem here in New Zealand as well. In many places now freedom camping is banned because of the carelessness of the ones who choose to leave bad messes. ❤️

HELL YEAH to this statement! I’m a local to the whites and an avid hiker. I’m always surprised by how reckless some videos from the whites are by not educating about appropriate preparation and behavior on the trail. Thank you for using your platform and doing your part to keep these mountains healthy, safe and beautiful.

Ya definitely wanted to play it safe. I was getting a little worried with the amount of snow around the lake of the clouds hut. I literally blazed my own path to the trail down and had the snow continued I definitely would have debated turning around and revising my game plan. I think I walked by where that shelter (#2) used to be earlier this summer. I think they tore the shelter down but now its a designated camp site. I really like the Dry River area. I've done a lot of exploring in there at this point. Stayed at the site of the previous Dry River 1 shelter a few years ago too.

Will copy and paste this reply I left to a comment somebody left on a video about the importance of Leave No Trace. Where this person insisted I was being “elitist” by not including trail or summit names. I think it answers a majority of what you said in your comment Original Comment: “Keeping the trail names and peaks secret seems a little elitist to me, given the fact that you already “got yours” and want to prevent other people from enjoying the same things. If you feel the trails are too crowded never forget that you are part of that crowding. I get that your heart is in the right place, but I still disagree” My response: “Not elitist in the least and not really sure how you can see it as so I am actively encouraging people throughout this entire video to get out there and enjoy but do so responsibly by following some guidelines for the benefit of all. I also still have videos posted from literally ALL of the 48 and the 52 lists that people can use for planning purposes. I am not trying to hide the fact these places exist or dissuade people from hiking. These peaks aren’t exactly hard to find the names of or find detailed trip reports of all over the internet. They are usually on a list in some regard and pics are readily available, posted all over social media, easily searchable online, and written about in books. My leaving the peak and trail names out was based specifically on the fact that I have an audience on this channel of 17,000 subscribers at this time and countless more that watch as non subscribed . Many being hikers who frequent the Whites. I tend to get all sorts of messages the week after I post a video of people telling me they then took the same route as me. Those are just the people that tell me. Who knows how many more may take the same trail and not shoot me a message. Which in all honesty isn’t the end of the world but in a year where the trails are seeing numbers of travelers they have never seen, many of which are new hikers, or possibly just older ones who don’t care to follow some basic principles like cleaning up after yourself and not defecating on the side of the trail there came a point where I felt like it was a good choice to leave the names out so I wasn’t indirectly responsible for the literal trashing of that specific trail or peak the following week or so when I would tend to get these messages. That was my reasoning and we can certainly agree to disagree With that said, I expect the crowds for the most part have died down at least a little with it now being later in the season and in the next 4 day backpacking trip video (the video you left this comment on) I did talk about what trails and summits I am on. And now that I have had the time to create this (LNT) video I can link it in the comments to all my old on trail videos and hopefully help teach new hikers who click how to properly respect the trails while out there. I am planning to keep the names in the next video but will look at each video on a case to case basis as crowds dwindle or swell during the year” In short, I do not think my leaving out the trail names is "selfish" in the slightest. In the last few videos I have also sprinkled in plenty of hints, especially in this video in particular, where anyone with a trail map can easily follow along where I am. I literally state throughout this video that I am on the Appalachian Trail, the names of almost all the peaks I went over, if not all of the names of the peaks, what tent site I stayed at on the 1st night, what gulf area I went down, what the trail conditions were like in that area, where I stayed on night 2 and where I exited back to my car. I am not really sure how much more info I can give I am under no obligation to talk about every aspect or detail of a trip. Nor name or show every parking spot, trail I took, peak names, view points, every water source and campsite I see along the way, etc. It's not the type of video I want to make or the type I want to watch. Where is the sense of adventure? TLDR: Just because I am not explaining every minute detail of a trip does not mean I am being selfish. I am also not telling people not to hike or “don't come here”. There are literally videos on my channel for every 48 and 52 peak still up that people can watch for planning purposes Hope you understand my explanation and if not we can respectively agree to disagree And of note, when I started hiking my main research for which trail I would hike that week would go something like - See a peak on a list (the 48 or 52 list of NH) - Look on the internet to see pictures of the views - Look on my map and choose which route/trails I would take - Try to find a video of the hike so I could see what type of trail conditions I could expect. Though finding video was not as common at this time I didn’t rely on anyone's videos, trip reports, apps, or the like to create a trip. A good trail map and knowing your limits and what you are comfortable with out on trail is the most valuable tool in planning

@@ChrisGoesOutdoors Thanks for the replay I appreciate your prospective and i also appreciate that people feel the need to take a stand or draw the line according to ones own perspective. Didn't mean to insinuated that you should be giving every detail along the way and certainly you can choreograph the video anyway you choose. It was more or a point of view from where I'm sitting and the frustration experienced. Again videos are great and wife and I appreciated the effort and time it takes to put them together. Thanks again and look forward to more of your adventures and maybe we'll see you up on the trails.

I appreciate that Judith, the Colorado Trail was a blast. Would go back and do again in a heartbeat

@@ChrisGoesOutdoors So here’s the weirdest co-incidence. We visited family in Woodland Park, Colorado in summer 2019 before camping our way to San Francisco. Watching your day 19 video from Monarch Pass, we realised we had visited that very spot on the SAME DAY on our way to The Ice Lakes at Silverton! Now we’ll *have* to do the Colorado trail. 😂

Thanks for taking the time to view Ellen!

Love to hear that Melinda

Thanks for watching Richard this was a great trip!

haha I actually considered taking that Friday off to go up to take advantage of the possible lack of people out but decided Mon Tues would be good. The gulf was interesting trail. Definitely blowdowns abound and probably 3-4 spots I genuinely wasnt sure where the trail was

Yeah I want to get in too also I think I mite have got to a place in life that a can do so

Ya that section apparently got rocked pretty hard by hurricane Irene. Was very slow going. Amen to no bugs haha

@@ChrisGoesOutdoors It was actually closed for a year or two afterwards.

Thanks!

The van was only meant as a means to further the outdoor trips. Going to rough it anytime I have the choice lol. Love it out there. Appreciate you watching!

it was quite messy in there for sure. Lots of blowdowns and probably 3 or 4 time where I legit didnt know where the actual trail was. Things get substantially easier to follow after the shelter heading back toward 302 though

thank you John. This was an amazing trip

Awaiting that snow. Hearing some came already since I left

Ya it was kind of absurd. 4 straight days in the 60s-70s in November. I will take it haha

it was interesting trail down in that wilderness area. Was also very interesting doing a decent portion in the dark. Wish I had recorded more of my trip down but tiredness was getting to me. There was a section just before the shelter where I was convinced I was not on trail as I was essentially walking down a water source but low and behold I was indeed haha

Thanks John, great hiking in this area. Appreciate you watching!

Will do Tim!

Thanks for watching Perry, as always!

Unexpected but much appreciated weather haha

I was debating doing the Pemi loop again instead of this trip but figured there would be a ton of people out there. I would really like to revisit the Pemi during the winter and do it as like a 5 day trip

@@ChrisGoesOutdoors I think it would be a great trip over 5 days

It’s a solid aspiration 😂

Always seems to work better for the ladies 😕

We would have, too, but we always have so much crap in the back (extra equipment, gear, etc) that there's no room!

Thanks roger. Literally what I aim for. This was last weekend. Nov 7th-10th. Crazy warm weather for this time of year

@@ChrisGoesOutdoors Forgot to mention that the stills are the end were freaking terrific. The first one looked so surreal. Also really like the one of the hiker standing way way back on the mountain top just soaking it all in.

It was faaaaaantastic lol

hahaha please keep me posted 😂

Having a filter is crucial for me as I can fill up as I go. The way I usually go is I will carry a liter if I am in a an area with seemingly plenty of water (like day 3 and 4 of this trip) and I will go with at least 2 in areas I know it could be no water flowing (like day 1 & 2). Sometimes you can gauge where water will be on map and reading trip reports. I use the guthook gps app too and it has some but not all water sources listed for most spots in Whites

Unfortunately I dont have the playlist for what the songs are and I dont ever save the projects after the video is finished. I did download them all from Musicbed however. Can maybe try to run it through a song recognition app?

@@ChrisGoesOutdoors not a bad idea. I'll give that a try

I’ve had the map of it since 2018. Thought about doing it that year but didn’t want to try to bail out in work so close after the AT. It’s definitely up there for a want. I’ve done a ton of sections of it but would be great to do it in one go. Maybe this summer. Who knows

Hard decisions haha