Pastor Wade Orsini of Apologia Church Utah gets into a lively discussion with a young Mormon Woman. Watch as a Christian Pastor Shares the Gospel with a Mormon.
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@HowToGetSaved...Love.Taylor3 ай бұрын
When doing a search on the LDS page, there are plenty of things that are required to attain to the celestial kingdom, which is what I learned as a Mormon. There are many differing beliefs among LDS about this. It seems to depend on who you ask. I appreciate her kindness and willingness to listen. I hope she finds the true Jesus.❣
@jameslaver95453 ай бұрын
I think we and the two in this exchange will simply talk past one another until one recognizes the difference between salvation and exaltation. And yes some members are not trained apologists and won’t know the nuances of doctrine. Even more in all religions God leaves much still to be discovered and unveiled. Apologia and durbinites claim to know how to interpret sola scriptura properly and have all the answers, I find their obsession with lds members and wanting to free them from the shackles of “cult” very very very ironic.
@HowToGetSaved...Love.Taylor3 ай бұрын
@@jameslaver9545 Their "obsession" with lds members is out of genuine love and concern for how Mormons spend their eternity. We believe you're in the worst possible danger. Please don't hate us for caring.
@Spark_Horizion3 ай бұрын
It’s the same Christ In fact the degrees of glory comes 1 Corinthians 15: 40-44
@HowToGetSaved...Love.Taylor3 ай бұрын
@@Spark_Horizion I can understand why you think you have the same Christ. _We believe that Jesus has infinitely been God, all the way back forever. _We believe Jesus created all things, including Lucifer. Colossians 1:16-17. _Is that the same Jesus you believe in?
@jameslaver95453 ай бұрын
@@HowToGetSaved...Love.Taylor no hate brother, just acknowledging irony is all. However, I don’t buy your claim. It is illogical to me that we would be in a more dangerous position than say those who deny Christ entirely. Either way I can’t hope but notice the anxiety your leaders harbor toward lds members, I see no genuine desire for the well being of others in their eyes. Only passion for pride, strokes of ego and lining of pockets. You get mad when we claim to be the one true restored church of Christ on the earth and yet do you not claim the same with sola scriptura. How daft to assert you know how to interpret all this doctrine and then say in order to be saved you must know exactly what Jesus has done for eternity. How absolutely and absurdly daft. By your standards I declare we are all worshiping a different Jesus since no man can comprehend all things.
@brothersinarms55243 ай бұрын
This is a perfect example of “Mormon face” her voice reminds me of every true believer in the cult as well.
@Spark_Horizion3 ай бұрын
All regions are a cult that’s the definition of
@adamb72303 ай бұрын
"happy"
@brothersinarms55243 ай бұрын
@@adamb7230 fraudulently, tranquil
@sean98542 ай бұрын
Come visit us in Hawaii where the LDS are the second biggest religion on the islands and you will change your mind on the stereotype, “Mormon face”.
@Spark_Horizion2 ай бұрын
A cult really wow have things changed. If I remember correctly were early Christians called a cult
@joshuawoodin3 ай бұрын
It's sad the young missionaries are swamped with a quota to reach during the 2 year mission for men and 1 year mission for women, and they are told to engage people that you can bring in to convert and be baptized and just like the quran says don't ask questions or you will doubt and leave the faith. Their is a script that is followed generally with all these religions except Christianity. OG mormons proudly said all Christian churches on earth are apostate and as all false religions must rebrand and change with the times. Sad and heart breaking.
@joshuawoodin3 ай бұрын
@unbridledpandemoniumi cant tell if your being smug and sarcastic or what is going on. Please share what your opinion is on this ?
@jameslaver95453 ай бұрын
I was a missionary who served for two years in Rio de Janeiro. I take great pride in being extremely well versed in many different belief structures and have always felt encouraged by church leaders to not fear truth and to seek it from all its sources unabashedly. I would be more than willing to chat with you on any subject and see if we can turn that frown you wear for me, upside down.
@courtneyko14662 ай бұрын
When she says everyone can have a chance to go to the Celestial Kingdom she is talking about the works the LDS do in the temple for people after they die. She did not disclose this point of their doctrine. I hope you will learn this point of their doctrine. This shows that they believe in works here and in the next life. There was never rest for us in the LDS church. Thank God I came out of that.
@Chirhopher3 ай бұрын
Those in Camp (i am with E.A.N. and Our GOD Will Abolish this evil) and in or around The ILL-State (drillinois) get ahold of me! Let Us Unite and Stand Firm Together, ASSEMBLED In The Name -YHWH YESHUA.
@Chirhopher3 ай бұрын
Key wey, Brother Wade, why start listing names -to end up not being able to cover the Them all! LOVE and Appreciate You, Brethren!
@marlincruz16223 ай бұрын
He should tell her straight to the point poor lady hopefully she wake up and find the truth
@EricLovesCHRIST3 ай бұрын
Lol
@stephenshelley69923 ай бұрын
The street preacher never quotes the entire verse or the verses before and after which explains that it is by grace we are perfected in Christ. This sister is correct, the scripture is being taken out of context along with the entire verse not being used. Moroni chapter 10, verse 32-33 32 Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God. 33 And again, if ye by the grace of God are perfect in Christ, and deny not his power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the grace of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ, which is in the covenant of the Father unto the remission of your sins, that ye become holy, without spot.
@nightshade993 ай бұрын
The meaning of what he is conveying is accurate, however. What she put up was an LDS defense mechanism including the traditional hi-tail to avoid conviction.
@kevinmcdonald9513 ай бұрын
Jeff Durbin trolls.
@stephenshelley69923 ай бұрын
@@nightshade99 Avoid conviction or confrontation? And no, the meaning is not what he is conveying because he is not quoting the scripture fully, and it’s not reading the verses after it. He is cherry, picking verses, and putting his own spin on it.
@nightshade993 ай бұрын
@@stephenshelley6992 YOU: Avoid conviction or confrontation? ME: I'd say both YOU: And no, the meaning is not what he ... own spin on it. ME: This is what scripture teaches. What false things do you feel he is conveying? I mean there are 30 doctrines that are heretical LDS teachings that we can get into.
@stephenshelley69923 ай бұрын
@@nightshade99 because if you read the verses, following the scripture, he is half quoting than you understand that we are saved by and through Jesus Christ through our faith. The street preacher is trying to say our doctrine is different than what it actually is. 3rd article of Faith: We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. It is not our works we are doing, but the commandments that Jesus has given us to obey him and his ordinances.
@petertherock73403 ай бұрын
One thing I always notice about many of these “street preachers” is that they never disclose their academic credentials (if any) during these debates with ordinary people they meet. Why would you trust someone on the street who walks up to you and declares that he knows the “biblical” gospel? As a Catholic, I am convinced that Mormons are some of the nicest people you will ever want to meet and that they are usually very sincere. Yes, we must agree to disagree on the true Church and other points of doctrine. The most powerful witness to anyone is Love ❤️. 🙏. “See that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” James 2: 24. 👍
@president2343 ай бұрын
So then what is the quantity and/or quality of the works that save you?
@petertherock73403 ай бұрын
@@president234 Works alone does not save anyone. Neither does faith alone. One must believe on the true Jesus Christ as defined by the true Church- one holy catholic and apostolic. 👍
@president2343 ай бұрын
@petertherock7340 Right, so if you're saying Faith plus Works saves us, what I'm trying to ask is what is the amount or quality of our works that we must have to add to our faith in order to be saved?
@kjvjay3 ай бұрын
@@president234 Good point, I also would like to hear the answer to that question.
@petertherock73403 ай бұрын
@@president234 See Galatians 5: 6. 👍
@vincentorr5073 ай бұрын
You can be "saved" without a baptism, but you can't be perfected without a covenantal relationship (Baptism) with the Lord. By baptism we take on the name of Jesus Christ. That is the name by which we will be called at the last day. Jesus Christs works are perfect and by having His name upon us it is as if we lived a perfect life. He lived a perfect life for and on behalf of us. The church being the Lord's bride makes more sense when you think about the church being in a covenant relationship. That does not mean we do not believe in mercy or grace (grace just means gift). Baptisms for the dead is just one of the many gifts of grace the Lord proffers. I would say we believe in grace more than this pastor here. Who probably thinks Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Catholics etc. are being burned alive forever because they did not believe in the trinity, and they tried to do good works. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has much better doctrine that allows God to be a God of mercy, but mercy will not rob justice. Those with no faith and repentance will have to pay for their own sins. Then they will inherit a degree of glory as another gift from Jesus Christ. 1st Peter 3:19-21 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison. 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
@president2343 ай бұрын
Baptism for the dead is one of the many ways that the LDS stand in the place of Jesus and take him out of focus. Mormons use the name of Jesus but put no faith in him by adding buffers between him and humans
@adamb72303 ай бұрын
Latter-Day Saints are so lucky, being part of Christ's living church, that we aren't left to our own interpretations of scripture like the rest of Christianity. I can't imagine having to nitpick interpretations of ancient writings so meticulously to try and figure out my salvation. No wonder Christianity is divided into a million fractions. She answered perfectly - everyone will be offered salvation through the grace of Christ by way of the ordinances of the gospel.
@kjvjay3 ай бұрын
Joseph Smith taught his followers, ”GOD HIMSELF WAS ONCE AS WE ARE NOW, AND IS AN EXALTED MAN, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the *character of God.. AND THAT HE WAS ONCE A MAN LIKE US;* yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did; ... to know the only wise and true God; and *YOU HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO BE GODS YOURSELVES,* and priests to God, *THE SAME AS ALL GODS HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU.”* Smith announced this brand new teaching at a funeral for Elder King Follett who accidentally fell into a well and was killed. The funeral took place during the time of General Conference, Sunday, Nauvoo, Illinois, April 7 1844, 14 years after Smith had written the Book of Mormon. Also at this time, Smith was campaigning to become President of the United States. -------------------- *Obviously is not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth that became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.* God of the Bible and Christians declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) ------------------------------------------------------------- The above quote from Joseph Smith is published in the following official LDS publications; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-346, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th prophet of LDS; History of the Church, Vol. 6 (1843-1844) pages 302-17; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, page 129, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints My Kingdom Shall Roll Forth, Pub. 1979, page 7, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints This is a partial list of Mormon publication where this popular quote is cited. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6 of 26, pages 3-4.
@kjvjay3 ай бұрын
*The Mormon Church and their temples are not needed.* Unless you feel like paying them 10% of your total income, get a Temple Recommend from a Mormon bishop so you may participate in their temple rituals, which include, Masonic type handshakes, secret passwords, and wearing underwear with sewn in Masonic symbols. All so you may PRETEND that someday you might, perhaps, maybe, possibly become a Mormon polygamist exalted man god or a goddess wife to your Mormon polygamist exalted man god husband. To have forgiveness of sin and God’s gift of eternal life in the presence of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is through repentance, faith and trust in real Jesus Christ of the Bible only and not through any church. As it is written, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but the *GIFT OF GOD* IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.” (Romans 6:23) Jesus said, “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John 17:3) Jesus said, “…know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)
@joanneliddle45593 ай бұрын
Lord please soften the hearts of the Mormons to the truth of your Word. They have been deceived by a man who claimed to be a prophet but who taught that your Word could not be trusted except parts that he agreed with. Please LORD help these people…they’re my people.
@president2343 ай бұрын
The whole church is based off of its own private interpretation of the Bible. On top of that Joseph Smith came up with his own private interpretation of the Bible that LDS love
@LDSdevilboy41933 ай бұрын
All I see here is two people who aren’t being entirely honest, or don’t know what they’re talking about.
@jameslaver95453 ай бұрын
And what things do you know friend? Know enough to talk about that is?
@user-og2wt3le4j3 ай бұрын
What is he doing talking to a Young Woman about her faith? She is under age 18.
@user-og2wt3le4j3 ай бұрын
Correction: I thought the description says young woman. That means ages 11-17 in Mormon circles. She looks young but is at least 22.
@president2343 ай бұрын
Are missionaries in the LDS church not allowed to talk to anybody under 18?
@user-og2wt3le4j3 ай бұрын
@@president234 They need parental permission if there will be ongoing discussions. If the person is a single woman (over 18) they also need a chaperone.
@president2343 ай бұрын
@@user-og2wt3le4j so does that mean you cannot convert to the church of you are under 18? Like if you wanted to do it on your own Also would there need to be a chaperone if two female missionaries were talking to a single woman?
@ElitePayne473 ай бұрын
Your mythology doesn't make any sense! Let me tell you about mine.......
@president2343 ай бұрын
Are you supposed to be the guy who's above it all?
@ElitePayne473 ай бұрын
@@president234 wut
@user-og2wt3le4j3 ай бұрын
At 9:07. He is misinterpreting grace as interpreted by Mormons. If you are truly converted you will act as a disciple of Jesus Christ. Too many evangelical Christians say they are saved but don't act like it outside of Sunday morning. To be truly converted the faith without works is dead. You must act like a Christian should, as Jesus would. The Grace provided is Christ is sufficient with all that we can do. I think most evangelicals would agree in principle to that.
@kjvjay3 ай бұрын
Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, taught, ”GOD HIMSELF WAS ONCE AS WE ARE NOW, AND IS AN EXALTED MAN, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the *character of God.. AND THAT HE WAS ONCE A MAN LIKE US;* yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did; ... to know the only wise and true God; and *YOU HAVE GOT TO LEARN HOW TO BE GODS YOURSELVES,* and priests to God, *THE SAME AS ALL GODS HAVE DONE BEFORE YOU.”* Smith announced this brand new teaching at a funeral for Elder King Follett who accidentally fell into a well and was killed. The funeral took place during the time of General Conference, Sunday, Nauvoo, Illinois, April 7 1844, 14 years after Smith had written the Book of Mormon. Also at this time, Smith was campaigning to become President of the United States. -------------------- *Obviously is not referring to the God of the Bible and Christians, who was, is and will always be the Lord God Almighty, was never a man on another earth that became a Mormon polygamist exalted man god.* God of the Bible and Christians declares, “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) ------------------------------------------------------------- The above quote from Joseph Smith is published in the following official LDS publications; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pages 345-346, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th prophet of LDS; History of the Church, Vol. 6 (1843-1844) pages 302-17; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, page 129, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints My Kingdom Shall Roll Forth, Pub. 1979, page 7, Published by: Church of Jesus Christ of Larter-day Saints This is a partial list of Mormon publication where this popular quote is cited. Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6 of 26, pages 3-4.
@petertherock73403 ай бұрын
Evangelicals, like this street preacher, tend to be their own interpreter of Scripture. I am always amused that such individuals make dogmatic pronouncements about the teaching of the Bible but do not state what (if any) communion they are part of. In addition, the man in this video ignores vast portions of the Bible that do not comport with his teaching at all. How exactly is this supposed to impress strangers he meets on the street? 🤔
@user-og2wt3le4j3 ай бұрын
@@petertherock7340 This ministry is Calvinist. And they tend to have strange beliefs compared to other denominations.
@MRRANDOMZ113 ай бұрын
You're not following the saviour by going around questioning other people's faith and bashing them for it By their fruits you will know them
@kjvjay3 ай бұрын
*It is Mormons who claim their church is the one true church* and all Christians Churches are wrong and an abomination. Mormons claim everyone needs to join their church, pay them 10% of your total income, get a Temple Recommend from a Mormon bishop so you may participate in a Temple Endowment Rituals, perform baptism of the dead rituals, which includes, giving Masonic type handshakes, saying secret passwords, wearing underwear with sewn in Masonic symbols, and do much more. All so you possibly, maybe, perhaps, have eternal life becoming a Mormon polygamist exalted man god or his goddess wife. Where as the Bible and Christian message is to have forgiveness of sin and God’s gift of eternal life in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is through faith and trust in Jesus Christ only and not through any church. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23) “For the wages of sin is death; but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST our Lord” (Romans 6:23) “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is *the gift of God:* Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2: 8-9) Jesus said, “…know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32) Do not let the Mormons make merchandise of you with their feign words.
@president2343 ай бұрын
Mormon missionaries do the same thing. Don't be so hypocritical
@kjvjay3 ай бұрын
@@president234 Good point, that is exactly what Mormon missionaries do!
@Spark_Horizion3 ай бұрын
You need to be baptized to enter heaven that is stated in the Bible and the Book of Mormon