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Christianity and Buddhism: Comparison and Contrast

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Pannobhasa aka David Reynolds

Pannobhasa aka David Reynolds

2 жыл бұрын

Venerable Ajahn Punnadhammo, and I discuss similarities and differences between these two world religions. And although there is some overlap between the two, the idea that Buddha and Jesus taught essentially the same thing is pretty much of a myth.
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@joedoe4845
@joedoe4845 2 жыл бұрын
This is the Perfect trio. Creating good Karma in the world with these talks, so cheers. Changed my view on life, and I have changed others in ways too I hope. Great talk
@creampuffwar4457
@creampuffwar4457 Ай бұрын
I was a Buddhist for 30 years and became orthodox Christian recently. My main reason for converting is that I concluded that while Buddhism has a great intellectual system that appeals to human reason, I found the practice itself ultimately ineffective - both in myself but also in observing others. Ultimately, I couldn’t disregard an increasing feeling that Buddhism was a human invention. Christian prayer has had more effect on changing me as a person than 30 years of Buddhist practice of loving kindness and vipassana meditation. And the strange thing is that Christianity often still doesn’t satisfy my human reason and these gentlemen in this video mention many of these points. For example, I still struggle greatly with the idea of one lifetime determining the rest of your after-life forever. But after studying the matter very closely and practicing orthodox prayer for a year I concluded that it is probably true bc more effective. Also, I have started to realize that the truth is not as convenient as our little human minds can think of.
@johnchan8552
@johnchan8552 11 күн бұрын
well said. same with you. I also a Buddhist convert to Catholic
@GoodBoy-rf7tp
@GoodBoy-rf7tp 2 жыл бұрын
Really nice to hear that you guys have not swallowed this modern perennialist and new age idea that all religions are ultimately the same. Nothing is more annoying than those people who wish to blend everything in the world into some undivided gray goo.
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa 2 жыл бұрын
Or worse yet, pink goo
@Atomic419
@Atomic419 2 жыл бұрын
The story of Christ (at its core) is about the worst possible thing happening to the best possible person. How did Jesus respond? He bore his cross. Whether or not Jesus actually lived doesn’t take away from the value of the story 🙏
@rkraja6603
@rkraja6603 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus was killed by the Roman authorities as a threat to their empire. When his body went missing, mythological stories like his resurrection and miracles started circulating. Christianity became the state religion and demanded that followers follow what state-sponsored clergy tell them. Any questioning of the Biblical narratives was dealt with harshly by the state, even now any descent is frowned upon!- when in doubt use Occum's Razor.
@AlexandarShmex
@AlexandarShmex Жыл бұрын
He lives still.
@miguelatkinson
@miguelatkinson 11 ай бұрын
No
@noahdanielg
@noahdanielg 2 жыл бұрын
Very intriguing discussion Ven. Paññobhāsa, please hold a similar conversation one time about Buddhism and Hinduism; specifically Vaiṣṇavism!
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa 2 жыл бұрын
Good idea!
@Maxpsychologie
@Maxpsychologie 2 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see you comment. Funny how I see you under every tradionalist/spiritual Video I watch. I guess we’re both seeking the same.
@Maxpsychologie
@Maxpsychologie 2 жыл бұрын
BTW are you initiated?
@noahdanielg
@noahdanielg 2 жыл бұрын
@@Maxpsychologie No, maybe I will seek initiation at some point in the future but I have too much to do “in the world” for now. Nice, there is not much Traditionalism on here so it’s a small “community” I guess
@robertgrzyb7180
@robertgrzyb7180 2 жыл бұрын
Sadhu Sadhu Sadhu
@jeremyc4893
@jeremyc4893 2 жыл бұрын
Ajahn Punnadhammo, storing books at an angle is very bad for them. I like to keep mine flat instead of on the edge/bottom. Otherwise you can use that statue to help keep them upright.
@FRED-gx2qk
@FRED-gx2qk 2 жыл бұрын
The life of Brian a man of many Mansions!
@marcosclaudinodasilva4923
@marcosclaudinodasilva4923 8 ай бұрын
Just one side of debate!
@The06201980
@The06201980 2 жыл бұрын
What was the name of that book and author Ajahn mentioned by the Christian priest about the Buddha?
@rideforever
@rideforever 2 жыл бұрын
Some points : - Buddha's two best students reached self-realised in only a few days, therefore what is practiced today is not the original Buddhism - The 4 noble truths and other lists are not authentic; you can see the loss of authenticity in the arising of the idea of a "dharma teacher" rather than a teacher who is in self-realization and therefore speaks from his own knowledge - Christianity has many practices but they are concealed, for instance confession (psychological), scripture (mental development), rosary (mantra), kneeling and cross are a type of body work and energy work, communion (transmission) - Christianity does not require the relinquishing of the world, it is integrated in Western society and so is superior to Buddhism in this way. The Indian paths have a lot of deep penetration expressed conceptually so they are superior in the that way. However to be able to raise the dead and cure the sick through your presence reflects the transmission of a knowledge that is not conceptual, it is of a higher ilk. And the superiority of Western people over the planet for 2000 years demonstrates this. - Dependent origination does not really make sense. The item that is always removed from Buddhist philosophy is "who is asking?" and "to whom does any of this matter?" or "who is confused?" or "who is there to practice?". If there is nobody then there is no point practicing for there is nobody to be veiled. - Buddhist practices being forcefully and simple are powerful however. - We can move away from the idea of which is better because the species is not very developed, we can only try and receive authentically what is there. Most commentators of Christianity have never known it. Problems with the Buddhist investigation into dependent origination: - as you are already told what "the answer is" then people have no need to really look, and if you found a different answer your teacher would not be happy because most are robots - to investigate such things internally requires exceptional skill and few can do it - there is a difference between following concepts as a Practice and for those concepts to be literally correct ... for instance saying "I Am Brahman" or "Nothing Exists" can help to shift something but they are not literally correct ... likewise saying that the kalpas are empty may be practical to remove certain types of tethers to a low plain of existence, but that does not mean it is literally correct - if you could find a teacher who himself has a different answer then he would allow you to truly investigate, but it is rare - the answer is evolutionary, it isn't about analysing a static condition, things are changing through practice the one at the beginning and the one at the end are different ... so both situations needs to be analysed separately If you say at the end that you know nothing, this means complete failure of your tools.
@shiningcastle
@shiningcastle 2 жыл бұрын
Catholicism is not Biblical.
@sureshshakya1168
@sureshshakya1168 Жыл бұрын
Buddha's 2 best student reached there in few days so we are not getting there soon enough.. That is why the current teaching is not real..
@miguelatkinson
@miguelatkinson 11 ай бұрын
@rideforever your forgetting that christianity is not a perfect religion and is full of contradictions aswell modern christianity is far different from early christianity their are certain concepts within the modern religion which are inauthentic and are unbiblical alot of the shit the catholic church teaches is unbiblical and the buddha and other Indian sages throughout history have done miracles and one more thing you are complete dead wrong in saying that "christianity does not require the relinquishing of the world" this so fucking obviously untrue their are literally multiple times where he said to deny the world and another thing I want to take note and this is a big one a very large majority of Christians don't actually live or follow christ or his life this is obvious one a majority Christians do not turn the other cheek or give up all there possessions to the poor or forgive unconditionally and many other things the exact opposite
@mooners544
@mooners544 5 ай бұрын
Christianity is also deeply ingrained in Ethiopia and has been so for thousands of years even longer than most of the west. Please share with us the great dominance that Ethiopians have had over the planet.
@bojcio
@bojcio Ай бұрын
your first point is so flawed it renders all your other arguments moot. people are of different talents and dispositions
@jeremyc4893
@jeremyc4893 2 жыл бұрын
@25:40 Concerning two truths: "Theravada makes much of the doctrine of the “two truths”, conventional (sammutisacca) and ultimate (paramatthasacca). Conventional truth is the domain of such ultimately unreal notions like “persons”, “nations”, and the like, while the ultimate truth deals with the fundamental phenomena of existence (dhammas). This distinction applies both to the expression of the truth-where the Suttas are supposed to deal with conventional truth, while the Abhidhamma deals with ultimate truth-and the underlying realities spoken of, where the “ultimately true” phenomena are so by virtue of the fact that they have an “intrinsic essence” (sabhāva). No such distinction is found in the EBTs. There we find the Buddha easily moves between discussions framed in terms of people and those in terms of phenomena, without having to impute any ontological significance to this distinction. The fact that words have specialized meanings, and that what is true in one domain of discourse may not apply in another, is a normal feature of specialization and is not a characteristic of the Dhamma. In physics, for example, what we take to be solid matter is seen as energies moving in space. That doesn’t mean that the idea of “solidity” is wrong or lesser, it just means that it applies when considering things from some perspectives but not others. In the ordinary world we live in, “solidity” is perfectly real: no physicist tries to walk through walls. When the term paramattha appears in the EBTs, it does not mean “ultimate meaning” or “ultimate reality” but “ultimate goal”, and is a word for Nibbana." (Bhikkhu Sujato)
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa 2 жыл бұрын
I can accept the two truths, or at least two levels of reality, conventional and ultimate, though I would consider Nibbana/Nirvana to be the ONLY paramattha or "ultimate truth."
@jeremyc4893
@jeremyc4893 2 жыл бұрын
@@pannobhasa I can agree with that.
@joejoe9979
@joejoe9979 11 ай бұрын
Buddha is not a religion neither god. Buddha teached us be good person and love all creatures and humankind live in this world. Religion is your own preference. I like to wish you live happy is more important. Buddha love you.
@ebertupatissa6471
@ebertupatissa6471 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Venerable Ajahn Punnadhammo, Brian and Pannobhasa aka David Reynolds for this interesting video. Venerable, I’m baffled, you stated that Panikkar was born a Hindu and converted to a Catholic. But, according to Wikipedia, Raimon Panikkar’s mother was Spanish Roman Catholic and he was educated at a Jesuit school who ordained as a Catholic priest. Later he wrote, "I left Europe for India as a Christian, discovered I was a Hindu and returned as a Buddhist without ever having ceased to be Christian.” So is the Venerable referring to the same Panikkar? How can anyone with any right understanding of morality and wisdom state that the Buddha Dhamma and Christianity are similar? Please read the bible and/or watch a KZfaq video, “why did God murder so many people in the Bible ?” Some Horrific killings done and attributed to God with refrences to the passages in the bible are provided. Sorry I cannot provide the link herein as it was removed twice!
@emelianorombo8710
@emelianorombo8710 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this vid. Amen.
@darth_vdare
@darth_vdare 2 жыл бұрын
Paul never says he met anyone who knew Jesus on Earth. He met Peter and James, but he doesn't say they knew Jesus. He does describe James as a brother of the Lord; this (along with another mention of brothers of the Lord by Paul) is one of the most frequently cited pieces of evidence for a historical Jesus. But there are other explanations that present themselves, the most straightforward possibilities being that "brother of the Lord" is being used as a figurative title; or this phrase can very easily be an interpolation, since the sentence would read normally without it. It's interesting that the Epistle of Jude begins with the author describing himself as "Jude, the brother of James". Traditionally, this is considered to the Jesus' brother Jude and his brother James the Just. In that case, for some reason the author didn't seem to think it was relevant to mention that his brother is the Son of God and Messiah.
@vishnunamobuddhayabhikkuas7149
@vishnunamobuddhayabhikkuas7149 Жыл бұрын
Very true guru ji sadhu sadhu sadhu 🕉️☸️🙏🙏🙏🧡🧡🧡✊🦶💪
@ebertupatissa6471
@ebertupatissa6471 Жыл бұрын
Venerable Ajahn Punnadhammo, appreciate if you can kindly provide me with some references for me to check that writings were available during the Buddha’s time? Also, I note that my earlier comments were removed!
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa Жыл бұрын
As a rule I don't remove comments, unless they are obvious spam. So your comment was probably removed by KZfaq. Anyway, during the Buddha's time no texts existed because the Buddhist texts weren't written down for centuries afterwards. It was Indian tradition for sacred scriptures to be memorized by heart, and writing was used mainly for royal proclamations and record keeping back then.
@ebertupatissa6471
@ebertupatissa6471 Жыл бұрын
@@pannobhasa Thank you. If you please refer to @51.20, Venerable was stating that the Buddhist texts were in existence during the Buddha's time! i'll try and he post it again do you delete if i attach YT links or wiki links as i did for easy references?
@goheechoo
@goheechoo Ай бұрын
Christianity and Hinduism might be more appropriate, as both stress on a supreme creator and in Buddhism there is none.
@Grasshopper567
@Grasshopper567 Жыл бұрын
Yehoshafat means something along the lines of god's judgement in hebrew
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa Жыл бұрын
With regard to the Buddha, or rather the Bodhisatta in a previous life, the name "Josaphat" was a corruption of "Bodhisattva." In Arabic it was something like bodisaph, then it corrupted into lodisaph, then yoasaph, then Jehosaphat.
@Grasshopper567
@Grasshopper567 Жыл бұрын
@@pannobhasa Every word in Hebrew is built from a 3 letter root. ShP(h)T are the root letters for judgement (For example: Shafat, shaftoo, shofteem, shafatnoo, shafatetem, yishfetoo, Shipoot etc). Adding any of the letters of god's name (YHW) and/or the singular word for a god (el) to a given name is common practice in hebrew. Yehoshafat, simply put, is the combination of all the root letters of god's name with the root letters of judgement written in hebrew as YHWShPhT. Another similar example will be johnathan, in hebrew is yehonatan YHWNTN, yhw+ntn which is the root for given, therefore translates to something close to "given by god". As a native hebrew speaker i can't take the presented theory seriously. That said, i do suspect there were a few instances of contact with buddhism. This specific one is a stretch tho. Love your work
@simonmankel941
@simonmankel941 Жыл бұрын
In 40:50, where do you get the specifics about the magi from the east? The Bible doesn't say that much.
@simonmankel941
@simonmankel941 Жыл бұрын
And I find it interesting (but maybe I just missed it), that you talked for a long time, but never really mentioned the resurrection of Jesus. That's the one aspect where Paul writes without it the whole faith is futile (1. Corinthians 15). A bit strange that it is barely or not at all adressed...
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa Жыл бұрын
Probably not addressed because none of us participating in the discussion believe that it happened in empirical reality.
@simonmankel941
@simonmankel941 Жыл бұрын
@@pannobhasa ok, that's a believe you can hold of course, but you can't really do justice to Christianity with leaving it out. Thank you anyways for the video, I am trying to understand more about Buddhism (especially in comparison to Christianity) and it was very interesting to listen to you.
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa Жыл бұрын
@@simonmankel941 Probably the most Buddhist interpretation would be that after Jesus died on the cross he was reborn in a high heaven realm where he is able and willing to respond to supplicants on this planet, in the realm of mere humans.
@jaylinn416
@jaylinn416 3 ай бұрын
If one doubts the existence of Jesus, he is just a poor scholar. The evidence for the crucified rabbi, also a messianic figure is simply overwhelming.
@kyleyerbury5043
@kyleyerbury5043 5 ай бұрын
“Jesus never existed” is the idiotic view.
@susanafencl8727
@susanafencl8727 2 жыл бұрын
𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐦𝐨𝐬𝐦 💕
@StopFear
@StopFear 6 ай бұрын
Brian Ruhe is not exactly a sane person.
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa 6 ай бұрын
From the Buddhist perspective anyone who isn't fully enlightened is insane.
@julie5978
@julie5978 Жыл бұрын
"Christianity demands blind belief" it depends on the denomination we are talking about and which church you go to. From my experience with it, it demands no such thing but encourages you to open your heart to God and to have direct encounters with Him. You pray for guidance and you hear the voice of God, you are guided by the Holy Spirit all the time. The best denomination that focuses on direct revelation is the Pentacostal one. You are not reborn as a Christian until you are moved by the Holy Spirit and SEE the Truth for yourself according to them. Following the teaching of Jesus and the guidance from the Holy Spirit is no different than following Buddhist practice and ethics. They both prove themselves correct. The only problem is that you will have different revelations from each and each will reveal itself as the most obvious and fundamental truth. Then you will become a nihilist because you will realize that neither can be true 😞.
@julie5978
@julie5978 Жыл бұрын
@Bodhisatta969 no religion or philosophy treats humans and animals as equals, though the Eastern side does take their experience into consideration while the Western side does not. Anyway you missed the point. The point was that they both lead to what the seeker experiences as the ultimate truth but those truths contradict each other.
@joshdeu9604
@joshdeu9604 Жыл бұрын
Never existed… lol. I’m out
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa Жыл бұрын
It appears very likely, to say the least, that Jesus of Nazareth existed as a historical and real human being, and I defended this idea in the video.
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 11 ай бұрын
Both religions are misogynistic and homophobic. The similarity ends there.
@pannobhasa
@pannobhasa 11 ай бұрын
What a ridiculous and obviously false comment.
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 11 ай бұрын
@@pannobhasa strong words. Prove me wrong, or would you like me to prove your statement wrong. Either way is fine by me.
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 11 ай бұрын
@@pannobhasa kzfaq.info/get/bejne/frmhqdqAs9HDnqc.html&si=1V1hUWIEdzkkUt7n
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 11 ай бұрын
@@pannobhasa kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a9GPmJd_m5-4mIU.html&si=8mVNxWTrb9TFuock
@wordscapes5690
@wordscapes5690 11 ай бұрын
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