Christianity and Masculinity | with Will Spencer

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4 ай бұрын

Will Spencer (‪@renofmen‬) pinged my radar a few weeks back with a viral twitter thread regarding the Indian treatment of women. Turns out he's super well traveled and well read as well! In this calmvo we discuss modern masculinity, christianity, and how useful podcasts are for finding a soulmate.
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@lizicadumitru9683 4 ай бұрын

God is masculine not male. Male is a strictly corporeal term and as we know God is not corporeal.

@lizicadumitru9683 4 ай бұрын

1:16:07 as a believer in Christ myself what Ben points out here tends to make me uncomfortable in some respects with the "male authority model" in the home, which is of biblical teaching. Only because I think it's smart to ask other people around you, your spouse included, on which way to decide on a certain subject. Two heads are better than one. This assumes of course that the unit is generally trying to be unified for their betterment.

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

'Female adoptions more common,' explains why, *achievement unlocked: evolutionary psychology*

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

Ppl need to impose a reasonable amount of restriction on themselves in a free society, to maintain family structure, and keep the whole enterprise working. The plot thickens, (like the foggy Seattle weather,) because some ppl are more temperamentally capable of doing this than others, and that's mostly only maintained by breeding for those heritable traits. Confucius say: "humans are like a breed of designer dog, or something along those lines, you feel me homie?"

@michaeladams2575 4 ай бұрын

Great interview, i appreciate your pushing, and really noted how your guest never budged, thought through the question and offered a response. Can't ask for much more. Mr. Boyce, this has become my favorite podcast, great balance of interesting topics/guests and a real attempt to get to the core of the guests worldview. Id subscribe twice if i could. PS. Your older then me. You seem to have a real things about age ranging your guests? Keep up all the good work. I wish i could watch you interview you.

@michaeladams2575 4 ай бұрын

Commenting on my comment. Try to get Doug Wilson on. He is a power house, I think you'd enjoy his articulate CAPITAL M masculine demeanor, a lot like the jolly heretic, but ardent Christian. And, added bonus: he is your senior by years on this earth.

@michaeladams2575 4 ай бұрын

...he is older than you... That's all I'm saying. Ok. Triple comment!!

@BenjaminABoyce 4 ай бұрын

Age is important, for archival purposes. We’re all dated, and history is moving fast.

@lizicadumitru9683 4 ай бұрын

I'd have to say the scripture speaks of God as also "imbueing' certain female characteristics. When Christ talks about how he would have gathered Israel like a mother hen under his wings as to save them, like that's obviously maternal talk. The Holy Spirit also being termed neutral in some of the New Testament grammar when referencing IT alone not parallel to the Father or Christ. That's not to say that the scriptures don't speak of God the father as father, masculine.

@atmalewis1768 4 ай бұрын

Excellent! Great information, so helpful to us for understanding current Western culture. TY

@barboglesby2162 4 ай бұрын

This is only the culture of the radical, Marx obsessed, amoral Democrat voting Left. It is not Western Culture for the rational, moral, Conservative half of the USA.

@Zentz29 4 ай бұрын

Sup Calmrads ✌️🖖

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

🛠😼

@fragwagon 4 ай бұрын

Happy Easter to you and your family, Benjamin.

@rijntje73 4 ай бұрын

50:14 Don't we have a merciful, magnanimous God that He allows us the complete freedom in this realm of existence to make our own misjudgments and stay ignorant of His Highest Divine Will if we so choose? Even His Angels are not allowed the freedom to do the wrong thing. Isn't it nice that there is a place where we can stare evil (the inverse of live/life) in the face to truly and intimately get to know what we ought not to be? Isn't it wondrous to be able to choose good as much and as best as we can in a place where you are seduced so often to choose evil or ignorance? Is that not ultimate moral freedom that He bestows upon us? Is that not a unique experience only to be had in this material realm for which we can be grateful?

@maiaheiss2991 4 ай бұрын

Beautifully said. 🙏🏻

@imagerydivine1554 4 ай бұрын

@@maiaheiss2991 Agreed.

@maiaheiss2991 4 ай бұрын

@@imagerydivine1554 I studied Yoga in India with my Guru for the sum of two years. He worked with thousands of students. It was NOT an ashram. We did a very demanding practice daily with him each morning. Then we were free to mess it all up the rest of the day if we so desired. He gave us recommendations, but we took no precepts. He just watched us make our choices. And this is indeed how it works in God’s world. We are free to know God personally and come to God truly as we are. 🙏🏻

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

"Virtues in constellations" is very smart.

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

The part on Japan, and anthropological comparison of different societies, involving things like the public/private sphere, is rly interesting and I wish I knew more on this topic.

@williambranch4283 4 ай бұрын

Ever hear "Chariots of Fire"? What movie it came from? This problem is as old as Feminism, which is 100 years old ;-)

@annarboriter 4 ай бұрын

The French revolution was about the liberation of sexuality? Perhaps a quote or a citation to back up this assertion?

@rethaf4387 4 ай бұрын

Yes. The one quote I can remember about the French revolution was about "a princess" who asked why they are rebelling. She was told: "They rebel because they do not have bread." Her out-of-touch answer is remembered to this day, but even that quote gives a more simple reason for the revolution.

@acuerdox 4 ай бұрын

13:50 if you kill a wolfs brother that wolf will hate your guts. sounds like morality to me, "killing my brother is bad" says the wolf.

@jennetal.984 4 ай бұрын

The revolution will not be live-streamed

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

*cite my eccentric comments, including buried under "newest first," on this channel's last live vid: Imma say "God" in this convo, is more usefully and accurately defined psychobehaviorally as what's sometimes called "reverse-mirroring," and defines an extended category, including these kinds of designations: self, individualism, public, masculine. Here's why I don't like the religious framing, because now apparently I gotta do "Devil," and it's gonna include "feminine," (this reminds me of the whole Orthodox thing,) but as for the more commonly discussed and studied "mirroring" on the flipside, extended category includes: other, collectivism, private, feminine. But we all have both of these capacities, need them, and switch back and forth all the time, so this is just big picture view, somewhat problematically superimposed with value-laden language.

@jennycescon7288 4 ай бұрын

🙏

@rethaf4387 4 ай бұрын

First 25 minutes: "The French revolution, the sexual revolution - it was all about people trying to take power for themselves away from God. Minute 26: God is male, and if men should represent God's authority...That is exactly what the argument about men supposedly reigning (or having authority) on God's behalf is: It is giving yourself and other men power and taking it away from God. I don't think this interviewee even realizes he is doing what he decries. Is God male? The first suggestion in the Bible is in Genesis 1, where it says God made man (as in humanity, not males) male and female in God's image. So, maleness is a picture of God. So is femaleness. Jesus on earth was a male - but Jesus did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many. (Matt 20:28) - it suggests serving is not beneath males.

@TheEngineerd 4 ай бұрын

You entering Silent Hill in the intro?

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

"Get on your boots" ~Bono

@trueleo7893 4 ай бұрын

"who are they?" Classic

@4Charis 4 ай бұрын

"God is male" . He is wrong and that is idolatry. God is revealed as both male and female in the Bible and "the image of God" includes both male and female per Gen 1:26-28. His ideas of male being on top of a hierarchy are wrong. In Gen 1:26 God gave THEM dominion/authority. The Bible does not say the man is the ruler of the family or the household except in Esther 1:22 in reporting the edict of pagan king Xerxes. The head/body metaphor for husband and wife in Eph 5 is an intimacy and interdependence metaphor NOT an authority metaphor. Paul was skating under the radar of Roman censors by sounding patriarchal while preaching radical love, connection, "nourishing and cherishing". All the love verbs in Eph 5 use imperative/command Greek grammar while all the "subject" verbs use passive Greek grammar. Wives are subject to husbands like people are subject to gravity. It is a DESCRIPTION not PRESCRIPTION. It became a fact of life ever since the Fall in Genesis 3:16. Male rule is not "God's will for a great marriage". It is fallen behavior.

@imagerydivine1554 4 ай бұрын

How beautifully said. Thank you very much. I live in the Netherlands. Do you think you can recommend some literature about this type of thing? Or maybe another YT channel?

@imagerydivine1554 4 ай бұрын

Since you seem to know your stuff 😊

@heidinayak6317 3 ай бұрын

@@imagerydivine1554look up Marg Mowczko 's blog. Also She Who Is by Sister Elizabeth Johnson is pure gold.

@CathyKitson 4 ай бұрын

He is depending on men's goodness and forgetting that there was much cruelty and oppression was common when men had unfettered power.

@OperativeKANE 4 ай бұрын

Women have had equality for 3 generations now in the west and we are falling apart. No amount of wishful thinking that women can stand on the same footing as men in regards to power will ever make it true. The Greeks wrote a comedy about this. A society run by women. People before the birth of christ knew what handing power to women brings.

@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1 4 ай бұрын

You had a terrible history teacher.

@CathyKitson 4 ай бұрын

@@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1 Actually my history teacher was extremely good. She taught us about the Industrial Revolution. I then went on to study it at University. Did you?

@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1 4 ай бұрын

Yes, I was catechized by your church. I've come to see it's Creation myth as ridiculous. Six day creationists' are only very slightly less disconnected from the complexities of actual reality than the Feminist historical narrative. Paglia is the most accessible and fun educator on the topic

@CathyKitson 4 ай бұрын

@@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr1 My church? What are you talking about? I'm not religious. Feminism did a lot of good. It also did a lot of harm - or at least what feminism turned into. For women who say that all feminism is bad, try going back 100, 200 years. You'd change your mind. Now women have never had it so good and the so-called modern feminists, who aren't feminists at all, are trying to drag us all back to the Stone Age. By going to extremes they have given birth to the manosphere, MGTOWs and misogynists.

@rethaf4387 4 ай бұрын

When this guy insist hierarchy does not mean the other person is inferior, I want to ask him: "Suppose we said race B is not inferior to race A, but race B should always submit to race A right through their lives. Race B should not speak in church. Race B should not teach race A. Race B should submit 24/7, and can't close the door at home to keep out race A - race A is head of the home and should be obeyed even in the beds race B sleeps in. Would that imply that race B is inferior?" It implies either inferiority or great injustice. It is not like a work place, where people can work their way up, where the current boss can retire, and where you go home from and have hours a day left where your boss have zero say. Replace race with sex, and that is your message to women.

@Somegirl51 4 ай бұрын

Ben and Leslie, I have many teachers I suspect for participating in the glitter/rainbow cult....Do I confront and expose? (Lodi)

@rijntje73 4 ай бұрын

Maybe Will jives with the gnostic creation myth? You know, gnosticism, that thing Lindsay despises so much? 😉 I have a suspicion it may resonate for him if he's not yet familiar with that.

@Clem62 4 ай бұрын

Left chat because none of my comments were getting through.

@SydneyBristow0788 4 ай бұрын

Bummer. Was it KZfaq taking it down?

@Clem62 4 ай бұрын

Guess so@@SydneyBristow0788

@NinjaKittyBonks 4 ай бұрын

@Clem62 ... I never saw any flagged for approval, but that does not mean YT did not block based on a word you used. My experience on even channels I moderate, is that YT will only "auto-delete" if a LINK to a "wrong think" website (article on Fox website or the like). I see about 6 or so "flagged for approval" comments some days in chat, as I did today, but none were from you. FWIW, I approve the vast majority of them, with the exceptions of personal insults or maybe cursing that is especially crude (VERY rare do I not approve). Benjamin is as pro-1a as I am, so he and I have discussed it a bit and my prescribed response to what others say, in terms of moderating it is EXTREMELY limited. He has the ultimate say and that is all I will say. . I am sorry you felt the need to leave chat, as I always appreciate your take, as well as all in the chat room. That said, if your chats were not flagged, so I could see them, they are well beyond YT's "line" or something else is going on. I will NEVER defend YT's take on censorship, as I personally have it worse than most do on this platform, but my thinking here is that something else is happening. . PS> Let me ask you. I have seen a number of my chats NOT visible, though I can see my screen name with literally ZERO characters showing? Is this exactly what you are seeing?

@Clem62 4 ай бұрын

No it's just that I wasn't getting any responses. Chaucer said that he didn't see a little joke I made. When I entered chat I said hi and got no reply which is very unusual. I got some replies but it seemed really off. I wasn't sure if I was being seen so I figured I'd stop. I certainly never thought you were removing them. See how it goes next time. @@NinjaKittyBonks

@NinjaKittyBonks 4 ай бұрын

@@Clem62 ... Chaucer was in one of his moods today and is unfortunate. I try to give a little kitty love to all the chatters, but it was a bit contentious in chat today, so not as attentive as I would have liked to have been.

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

This sort of 'Nietzsche-fication' of cultural Christianity, is rly interesting *Benjamin writes philosophy/theology crossover field dissertation, helps fuel online replacement for liberal arts colleges, this concludes premise for fanfic narrative*

@jenna2431 4 ай бұрын

Sexuality has been conclusively shown to be a spectrum, much as intelligence is, much as neurological response is. Why is that so hard or threatening? Embrace YOUR experience and let others embrace THEIRS. Nobody is less than for doing that, but everybody is MORE THAN for it. Humanity is transitioning out of this backward feudal, hierarchical bullshite and into a world where cooperation, collaboration, connection, and celebration will be the norm. Who doesn't want that?

@lizicadumitru9683 4 ай бұрын

People are afraid of what they don't understand.

@helenablavatsky9136 4 ай бұрын

First place.

@NinjaKittyBonks 4 ай бұрын

Grumble... grumble... grumble... 😾 [Kitty releases new and improved SUPER UBER KittyKlones that self replicate each time Ms. 🍎attempts to pick one up 😼]

@helenablavatsky9136 4 ай бұрын

@@NinjaKittyBonks Yea! Kitties galore!

@NinjaKittyBonks 4 ай бұрын

🙀... you are supposed to be freaked out! 😾 [scurries off to secret underground bunker to create 3rd generation UBER SUPER UBER KittyKlones that vanish when Ms. 🧺tries to pick one up 😼]

@helenablavatsky9136 4 ай бұрын

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@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

You're right guys, I have no way of knowing, and will never have a way of knowing, whether the literal Easter Bunny exists, somewhere in the fifth dimension. Thus sayeth the Lorde, feelin' good on a Wednesday.

@hawthornleaf5909 4 ай бұрын

If feel proud of myself for listening to the entire podcast. So this guy exposes himself to a plethora of religious traditions and clearly was getting something from his ayahuasca journeys to repeat the experience many times, then he turns into a raving fundamentalist Christian with some seriously vile views, whatever next? And the notion that a man has to have this set of qualities and a woman this other set of qualities is laughable and flies in the face of reality, which is far richer than he can imagine, despite visiting over 30 countries. There was never a time when all men fit his cookie-cutter, and we are better off as a result. Next time you should probe a bit deeper and find out what his masterplan is to bring about this utopia, I somehow feel it won't just be prayers, I expect there'll be gallows set up in every town square.

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

That's kinda hardcore, but I haz a less emphatic version of the same trepidation. I can haz trepidation burger?

@melissasilva185 4 ай бұрын

What he's presenting is a non accurate, unsophisicated view of karma and other aspects of Buddhism

@OperativeKANE 4 ай бұрын

No. And no amount of you wanting karmic thinking to be true does not make it so. Buddhism is not compatible with western peoples. This xenophilic stance westerners hold towards any religion that isn't their of their own western dogma is leaving us spiritually dead here at home.

@OperativeKANE 4 ай бұрын

I don't trust him. Sounds like a Jack Murphy (Goldman 🇮🇱) 2.0

@CathyKitson 4 ай бұрын

Don't know who Jack Murphy is, but I found myself shouting at him as I listened. He very much thinks women are second-class citizens, despite what he says.

@OperativeKANE 4 ай бұрын

@CathyKitson Then you won't like that I do agree with him when it comes to the place of women. You and I dislike him for very different reasons.

@CathyKitson 4 ай бұрын

@@OperativeKANE Well, that's fine, we're all entitled to our opinions. I just don't think there is anything inherently subordinate in women's natures. Of course women should listen to men and work with them, but that goes the other way, too. Neither one nor the other is superior. I feel this man is perpetuating dangerous stereotypes. Men should be stronger, but so should women. There's a difference between strength and belligerence. Our society has become seriously pussified.

@lizicadumitru9683 4 ай бұрын

@@CathyKitsonHow can you be sure that he thinks women are second-class citizens even though he's specifically stated not?

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

This is the stage where Benjamin tries to convert me. Drink all the kool aid you want bruh, live and let live, but I'm near the pre-diabetic range.

@SydneyBristow0788 4 ай бұрын

You don't have to be Christian to live by Christian principles. There is still value to the belief system.

@Jules-Is-a-Guy 4 ай бұрын

@@SydneyBristow0788 Yeah s'all good, I could be considered a culturally Catholic, Christian Atheist.

@NinjaKittyBonks 4 ай бұрын

@@SydneyBristow0788 ... DING DING DING +5K Roo 🦘credits for giving words to what is so damned difficult for many to grasp. I am not a follower of any faith, nor have I ever been in the 59 years I have been bonking my way through it. That does not mean I don't very much live by the values set forth from Christianity, as the Ten Commandments are the very foundation upon which the Western World was built. For some reason, many who are atheist can be so dead set against the idea of God, that the very idea of sharing values that were not invented by Christians, but given words and context, in the form of The Ten Commandments. The problem society faces today, is at the heart of it... the wholesale abandonment of those prescribed values. This is because the idea of supporting them cannot be separated from their dislike, and even deep disdain / hatred of religious teachings, so they simply cannot be accepted. . I don't have to be a follower of faith to recognize the value inherent in those commandments, nor do I have to live by literally every single word written, to feel as though I am doing so. I foresee the very likely complete collapse of at least one Western society, I have been saying it will be Canada, but UK the US and even Aussie are not far behind. I feel our likely path will be to bare witness to such complete and total collapse, so as to be "scared straight" by the mere sight of it. Let's hope that we get a wake up call that is not so drastic as that, but I don't think it likely😭

@NinjaKittyBonks 4 ай бұрын

@@SydneyBristow0788 .. YT deleted my GD'd comment! 😡This was NOT the work of the algo, but rather an employee who has a PERSONAL issue against me and auto-deletes ANY comment that is within 5K miles of wrong think. Since this is a comment about religion, it is perfect excuse to delete my comment, because I agree with your take, but expounded upon it (gave you some Roo credits as well). I backed up that comment, so will try again with some encryption to see if that works.

@NinjaKittyBonks 4 ай бұрын

@SydneyBristow0788 .... DING DING DING +5K Roo credits for giving words to what is so damned difficult for many to grasp. I am not a follower of any faith, nor have I ever been in the 59 years I have been bonking my way through it. That does not mean I don't very much [live+by+values+Chr+ist+ianity], as [Comm+and+ments] are [found+ation+West+🌎+built]. For some reason, many who are atheist can be so dead set against the idea of [🐕+back+wards+spelling], that the very idea of sharing [val+you] that were not invented by [cross+people], but given words and context, in the form of [Ten+common+d+ments]. The problem society faces today, is at the heart of it... the wholesale [aban+done+ment+of+val+You's]. This is because the idea of supporting them cannot be separated from their dislike, and even deep disdain / hatred of [sub+ject], so they simply cannot be accepted. . I don't have to be [fayth+follow+er] to recognize the value inherent in those [ten+things], nor do I have to live by literally every single word written, to feel as though I am doing so. I foresee the very likely [com+plete+col+lapse] of [one+West+soc+iety], I have been saying it will be [above+am+eri+ca], but [you+K+and+under+can+ada] and even [🦘+land] are not far behind. I feel our likely path will be to bare witness to [com+plete+col+lapse], so as to be "[ghost+straight]" by the mere sight of it. Let's hope that we get a wake up call that is not so drastic as that, but I don't think it likely test TEST